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Title: Suicide Squad
Post by: Trippy on April 10, 2015, 03:53:22 PM
Cast pic: https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/585961520955203584
(http://i.imgur.com/gJTN5ai.jpg)

Annotated version:

Where's Jared Leto (The Joker)?
https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/586347483955142656


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: schild on April 10, 2015, 04:24:50 PM
Will Smith & The Loose Change from His Paycheck. Coming soon.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on April 10, 2015, 04:38:19 PM
Well, at least the nine year old will fit in the fridge.

  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 10, 2015, 04:58:03 PM
Cash Grab: The Movie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on April 10, 2015, 05:07:27 PM
Will Smith should have done Independence Day 2 instead of this if he really wanted to score a big summer blockbuster again.  Especially now that his Deadshot is the reason that he was pulled from Arrow.  Also the confirmation that Deathstroke is in the movie means no more Manu Bennet on Arrow.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on April 24, 2015, 07:05:10 PM
Fuck this movie.

First Jared Leto photo as joker, apparently.



Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 24, 2015, 07:10:30 PM
Well.....this movie can suck my taint.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on April 24, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LTYK30z.gif)


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tannhauser on April 24, 2015, 07:41:14 PM
I like Jared Leto.  I do not like this Joker.



Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on April 24, 2015, 07:49:33 PM
Leto is a good choice. I think he could pull it off.

The design is... BAD.

I would have greatly preferred something like this if they were going that route.


Because guess what, that dude was pretty much the real life Joker. Maybe mixed with a little Zasz.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on April 24, 2015, 08:31:38 PM
It's too on the nose, but what do you expect from WB/DC at this point?

It really will depend on how Leto plays him, not on the character design.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on April 24, 2015, 08:39:17 PM
I don't mind the tats on the body, but the tats on the face really are totally fucking unnecessary. Zack Snyder's taint contains to shit all over the DC movies.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on April 24, 2015, 08:44:10 PM
The tats he has are dumb, especially that face tat.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on April 24, 2015, 08:55:47 PM
The tats he has are dumb, especially that face tat.

All those tats are straight from the art in the Killing Joke it looks like.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on April 24, 2015, 08:59:31 PM
Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've read Killing Joke, but I don't remember him having tattoos.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on April 24, 2015, 09:05:23 PM
Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've read Killing Joke, but I don't remember him having tattoos.
No I meant the artwork itself, not him having tattoos.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on April 24, 2015, 09:08:51 PM
Thank god. I thought I was losing my  damn mind.

Eh. It's just a bunch of repeated HAs.


The KJ ones were much more traditional comic styled lettering.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/Jokerkillingjoke.png)

Edit: https://twitter.com/FoodStampDavis/status/591798460287832064


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 24, 2015, 10:00:03 PM
I wouldn't put it past them for this to be a giant troll however....considering the character.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: schild on April 24, 2015, 10:19:42 PM
I don't mind this Joker because I think mainstream comic books are fucking stupid.

Which means I'll love this and a bunch of neckbeards will get super riled up by it. I can't wait.

(Killing Joke is an outlier of a comic book, let's not pretend otherwise when someone inevitably gets angry at this post)


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on April 25, 2015, 05:20:02 PM
I never thought it was actually possible to try too hard with the Joker.

I was wrong. Oh, how I was wrong.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Thrawn on April 25, 2015, 08:49:36 PM


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Rendakor on April 25, 2015, 09:43:57 PM
I ruse.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on April 26, 2015, 06:39:51 AM
Jared Leto was just an ordinary emo singer, till one fateful day, while trying to escape
the long arms of a fangirl, he fell into a vat of irradiated copies of Fat of the Land...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDbK2ueWYAAjx51.jpg)


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Surlyboi on April 26, 2015, 10:15:44 AM
30 Seconds to Williamsburg.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: UnSub on April 26, 2015, 10:06:45 PM
I've got more faith that "Suicide Squad" is at least going to be interesting that a lot of other comic book movies.

And if it doesn't work out, it'll be an interesting failure.

As for the tats: he'll wear a shirt. At least it makes him stand out from previous film Jokers.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ginaz on April 26, 2015, 10:17:57 PM
Remember how much people bitched about Heath Ledger as the Joker before the Dark Knight released? :oh_i_see:  Yeah, think I'll wait to see more before I write this off.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on April 26, 2015, 10:29:10 PM
Remember how much people bitched about Heath Ledger as the Joker before the Dark Knight released? :oh_i_see:  Yeah, think I'll wait to see more before I write this off.

Ledger didn't look like a complete twat like this one does tho.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on April 27, 2015, 05:32:34 AM
People did complain that the scars on Ledger's joker were too-subtle and the "grin" was "non-existent," however.

This is a Joker for the modern audience. They have as many stupid tats all over so this one's more 'relatable.'


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MediumHigh on April 27, 2015, 05:40:36 AM
Neither the Joker or Harley for that matter is not suicide squad. So there is your problem right there. That single point of failure will ALWAYS give you the joker you see now, because the joker is where he doesn't belong.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on April 27, 2015, 06:27:47 AM
Remember how much people bitched about Heath Ledger as the Joker before the Dark Knight released? :oh_i_see:  Yeah, think I'll wait to see more before I write this off.

I learned my lesson doubting Ledger. I'll give Leto all the grace in the world to put up a great performance as the Joker (and he was fantastic in Dallas Buyer's Club anyway, whereas Ledger had done nothing I found particularly notable up to TDK), but when the actual character design is so profoundly bad, it's no longer the actor who is the concern; it's clearly a much bigger problem to do with the writers, director etc. It doesn't instill faith.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Bunk on April 27, 2015, 07:52:05 AM
Do we even know what the Joker's role is in this? Is he the actual villain, or just there for Harley's back story? Either way, you're all getting too worked up about it. It will be a silly Will Smith movie about a comic that 99% of the world has never heard of.

Personally, I'm excited because SS was one of the only DC comics I read back in the 90's. Always like the Dirty Dozen style setups like Suicide Squad, DV8 from Image I think?
It'll be stupid, but I'll enjoy it.

I'm betting 30% of the characters in that picture die in the first 15 minutes?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on April 30, 2015, 04:05:44 PM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04/30/suicide-squad-set-photos-surface-of-will-smith-as-deadshot

Really not digging anything about the visual style of this movie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on May 01, 2015, 09:03:57 AM
Please tell me that's a Cobra extra that wandered over from the set of the next GI Joe movie and not Deadshot. Because fuck me... NO.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on May 01, 2015, 01:15:44 PM
Not really liking the civilian PimpShot look either unless it's meant to be an ironic disguise or something. The costumed guy could always be some generic throw-away antagonist that Lawton takes out, I suppose.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on May 01, 2015, 02:57:29 PM
I still don't know what would possess them to do this movie early in the release schedule.  You need to establish the majority of the villains and then do Suicide Squad... not introduce them in the squad.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on May 01, 2015, 03:13:19 PM
If this movie sucks it won't be because they didn't establish Captain Boomerang properly in another movie first.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Teleku on May 01, 2015, 03:31:29 PM
Please tell me that's a Cobra extra that wandered over from the set of the next GI Joe movie and not Deadshot. Because fuck me... NO.
Turns out it was in fact just a guy in cosplay trying to crash the set.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MahrinSkel on May 01, 2015, 03:55:14 PM
I still don't know what would possess them to do this movie early in the release schedule.  You need to establish the majority of the villains and then do Suicide Squad... not introduce them in the squad.
I think they're hoping to skip the origin stories, or do them all in one shot, compressed, so they don't take any time in the 'hero' movies. Which is not the dumbest idea ever but....

--Dave


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 01, 2015, 04:40:00 PM
Seeing marvel's success, this is dc's current attitude towards movies...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4)


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on May 01, 2015, 05:30:56 PM
Too bad WB can't fail so hard they sell their rights to Marvel.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on May 01, 2015, 05:37:00 PM
Actually, once upon a time, there was a discussion of Marvel buying DC...


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tannhauser on May 01, 2015, 07:17:39 PM
If this movie sucks it won't be because they didn't establish Captain Boomerang properly in another movie first.

Marvel:  "We have a carefully orchestrated release schedule building upon our past movies and going forward successfully with our new ones."
DC:  "LET'S FLING A BUNCH OF SHIT AGAINST THE WALL AND SEE WHAT STICKS!"


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on May 02, 2015, 12:10:25 PM
My favorite quote about the DC vs Marvel stuff was leading into Guardians

https://twitter.com/brettwhite/status/366999192016662528

Quote
DC/WB is all like "Wonder Woman's too confusing for a movie!" and Marvel/Disney is all like "Here's a raccoon with a machine gun"


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MahrinSkel on May 02, 2015, 03:09:18 PM
DC: "He can’t be fucking called the Martian Manhunter because that’s goofy."

Marvel: "I am Groot."

Sometimes I think GotG was just a big "Fuck You" from Marvel Studios to WB/DC.

--Dave


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tannhauser on May 02, 2015, 05:51:12 PM
If you're making movies based on the DC heroes 'goofy' should be your wheelhouse.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Fordel on May 02, 2015, 06:03:30 PM
DC: "He can’t be fucking called the Martian Manhunter because that’s goofy."

Marvel: "I am Groot."

Sometimes I think GotG was just a big "Fuck You" from Marvel Studios to WB/DC.

--Dave

That would imply Marvel gives any shits about what WB/DC does. Marvel's big rivalry is with Fox (and a lesser extent Sony, not so much anymore).

DC wants to be Marvel very badly, but Marvel hardly remembers DC exists these days.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on May 03, 2015, 05:44:21 PM
Here's the whole gang (minus Joker)

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/suicidesquadteam-e5a58.jpg)

Why, out of all of them, Katana is in the most notably faithful costume I have no idea. I knew Harley wouldn't be in full motley but ecchhh, I guess the under-age scuzzy cheerleader look is 'in'.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tannhauser on May 03, 2015, 06:26:53 PM
Looks pretty good I guess, especially Katana.  Not a DC man so I don't know who most of those are.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on May 03, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
I should know who most of those characters are.

I do not. That is a very bad sign.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on May 03, 2015, 06:43:06 PM
Looks pretty good I guess, especially Katana.  Not a DC man so I don't know who most of those are.

Not knowing who the characters are in the movie, just looking at that picture, I get Katana and possibly Harley Quinn. 


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on May 03, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
I knew Harley wouldn't be in full motley but ecchhh, I guess the under-age scuzzy cheerleader look is 'in'.

Pigtails = Cheerleader? Under age?

Uhhh.

This movie is going to be fucking stupid.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on May 03, 2015, 07:23:32 PM
I knew Harley wouldn't be in full motley but ecchhh, I guess the under-age scuzzy cheerleader look is 'in'.

Pigtails = Cheerleader? Under age?

Uhhh.

This movie is going to be fucking stupid.

She does look more like the Chainsaw Lollipop character more than Harley Quinn.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on May 03, 2015, 07:27:04 PM
Pigtails = Cheerleader? Under age?

Uhhh.

Give her a pair of pom-poms and she's about ready to display for team Hot Topic High.

Oh, and Sadako there (also hanging off Rick Flag) is apparently Enchantress  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on May 03, 2015, 07:31:35 PM
Aside from the fact that she has nothing else resembling a cheerleaders outfit, of course.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: NowhereMan on May 03, 2015, 08:26:49 PM
Seeing the Superman/Batman Trailer before A2 got me thinking that DC really hasn't done enough world building to start pulling some of the moves that they are. It feels a lot like they've looked at Marvel's original release schedule and then compared it their own franchises and just thought 'Damn, we've had 3 Bat films and 2 Superman films. We need to put those two together and start world making at this point.' Which is based off 2 franchises that really haven't been built with that in mind before.

Katana looks good and recognisable but yeah, I'm not a huge DC fan but apart from her and Harley (just cause blonde pigtails in a DC movie isn't going to be anyone else) I couldn't name anyone based off that picture. Hell aside from Katana and Kroc I don't think I'd even place them as being in a superhero movie from that picture. Hell apart from a few drably colourful elements I'd think the picture was in grey-scale. Why the fuck does DC think the colour palette for superhero movies has to have brightness and contrast down at the lowest end of the scale? It's going to making telling who's who in chaotic action scenes actually impossible.

Of course it'll probably include shakey cam as well since whoever is in charge of the creative direction seems to be looking more to Bourne and nu-Bond for artistic inspiration than DC comics.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on May 03, 2015, 08:47:44 PM
This looks more like the sequel to Zack Snyder's wankfest movie about ladies with guns, really. Just not feeling it.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lantyssa on May 03, 2015, 08:50:54 PM
It's hard to make me not interested in Harley.  They managed it.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Rendakor on May 03, 2015, 09:02:20 PM
I knew Harley wouldn't be in full motley but ecchhh, I guess the under-age scuzzy cheerleader look is 'in'.

Pigtails = Cheerleader? Under age?

Uhhh.

This movie is going to be fucking stupid.

She does look more like the Chainsaw Lollipop character more than Harley Quinn.
Um, what? Aside from the blonde pigtails, that character looks nothing like Juliet.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tebonas on May 04, 2015, 02:08:00 AM
The only thing this picture makes me feel is regret that Katana can't likely be used again in Arrow after the episodes they already shot. And that makes me remember Deadshot and how they made him stupid to remove him from the show to have him for this likely crappy movie.

So fuck DC movies, they are crappy and their existence hurts the actually good DC shows.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tannhauser on May 04, 2015, 04:16:07 AM
It was bothering me so here's the line up:

From left to right: Slipknot, Captain Boomerang, Enchantress, Katana, Rick Flagg, Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Killer Croc, El Diablo


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 04, 2015, 06:44:30 AM
The only thing this picture makes me feel is regret that Katana can't likely be used again in Arrow after the episodes they already shot. And that makes me remember Deadshot and how they made him stupid to remove him from the show to have him for this likely crappy movie.

So fuck DC movies, they are crappy and their existence hurts the actually good DC shows.

The amount of nerd rage when the movies start fucking with the flash tv show....


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on May 04, 2015, 06:55:54 AM
DC/WB are in a remarkably shabby place right now. All their TV output is cheap teenage melodrama or cringingly bad 'reimaginings' propped up by a single actor (Robin Lord Taylor you are being wasted) and their film lineup to date is under such a monumental identity crisis that no one, including those in charge, has any idea how to appeal to fans or market to the newcomers. It's embarassing. I'm not even a DC-hater, I just want them to find their fucking legs again.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: NowhereMan on May 04, 2015, 07:11:00 AM
Their TV shows are definitely soap operas but, really, comics are fucking soap operas and I'd say their TV offerings are actually entertaining on the whole and fairly solid. Their movie line ups though... Ugh. They are actually more willing to be true to the spirit of the comics and let their heroes be actual heroes in the TV shows. The movies are obviously a little embarassed to be based on comic properties and are trying desperately to shake up the character tropes in the same kind of way comics themselves were doing in the mid 90's. Which is what's especially painful about them for comic fans, we've seen this exact same thing before and it doesn't come off as edgy, it's just someone who's either hugely out of touch with the material (to the point of not being aware this exact approach was being done about 20 years ago and we've moved on) or someone who doesn't give a shit aout the material and just wants to make a movie they think will sell. In this case I kind of think it's both from the comments that make it to the internet.

Suicide Squad really is a movie that you need at least one already existing villain to pull you along with, it isn't somewhere you can happily introduce 9 new characters and expect any of them to get kind of audience connection. Clearly we're going to see at least one go down 15 minutes in, one of them betray the team for personal gain/revenge and a climactic final battle that will leave 2-4 still alive. Also a love story, probably between Flagg and Katana that will involve a tender mask removal scene. The climactic battle won't really matter because we really won't give much of a shit about any of them barring the main character (and possibly love interest)

That is my guess for a plot outline, they'll make some vague reference to dangerous heroes (SUPERMAN!!!11) and needing to even the playing field for the US government. This will probably count as world building in the DC movie franchise check box, which I'm kind of convinced is how they're actually planning these releases 'Well Marvel had trilogies planned for their main heroes and had a team tie-in before getting very far. Superman's on 2 movies already so we're behind guys! JL Movie is actually overdue, I'm worried we might have spent too much time world building already by making all these movies!'


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lantyssa on May 04, 2015, 08:16:11 AM
That is my guess for a plot outline, they'll make some vague reference to dangerous heroes (SUPERMAN!!!11) and needing to even the playing field for the US government.
Which is silly since a team of gun wielding psychos facing off against Superman might as well be armed with limp pasta.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on May 04, 2015, 09:38:37 AM
The only thing this picture makes me feel is regret that Katana can't likely be used again in Arrow after the episodes they already shot. And that makes me remember Deadshot and how they made him stupid to remove him from the show to have him for this likely crappy movie.

So fuck DC movies, they are crappy and their existence hurts the actually good DC shows.

The amount of nerd rage when the movies start fucking with the flash tv show....

That's because the Flash TV show is actually really damn good. And this looks... not.

So the wannabe urban white man in the blue athletic shirt with the gold chain is Captain Boomerang? Fuck me. I mean, yes, the Capt. Boomerang outfit in the comics is fuckstupid, no one will disagree with that. This however, manages to be infinitely worse. And again, that muted color palette that they are going with for everything is just so goddamn tone-deaf.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: NowhereMan on May 04, 2015, 09:42:03 AM
Ah but they won't reference him and will probably be planning to use the SS (lords that is a not a good acronym) for shady dealings in an extremely callous manner that will make the villain characters somewhat sympathetic (some of them, obviously others will be totally callous about killing apparent innocents and we won't be upset when they're killed/will be emotionally jarred when they selflessly sacrifice themselves to save team-mates). We'll have tension within the team and ultimately Flagg will make the tough call to do something morally horrible that will be for the greater good.

The only question I'm asking myself really is what they'll do to top Man of Steel in the hard choices, tough world stakes. I'm betting it's killing innocents in order to save more innocents. That's what I'm going to go with as a guess for the Suicide Squad rough plot outline.

Of course it's possible Snyder blindsides us all and tells a tale of non-powered/pretty poorly powered humans making the kind of moral choices we'd expect from Superman and set up a universe tale that moves Superman from the pragmatic 'it was him or countless millions, so I killed him' ubermensch of Man of Steel to the paragon of virtue that we know and love. I think it's highly unlikely and even if he was planning it I doubt this is the vehicle to set that up nor are Flagg or others in this movie the ones to trigger that transformation. But it's possible and would at least be a more surprising and (I think) more satisfying tale.

I'll put money on the 'gritty team of mostly unsympathetic types, betrayal, glorious and redemptive last stand' plot outline though.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on May 04, 2015, 09:49:25 AM
I still can't figure out for the life of me why DC chose to go with this property this quickly. Suicide Squad is something you really need as part of an already heavily established universe. We need to have seen at least 2 or 3 of these characters fighting heroes for it to not be jarring, especially as these villains aren't really big-time nemesis villains (other than Joker).


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Trippy on May 04, 2015, 11:51:59 AM
There's also way too many characters in this. Even if you skip the fighting heroes part it should've been a much smaller group.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on May 04, 2015, 12:09:04 PM
To be fair, we don't know what percentage of screen time these people will get.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on May 04, 2015, 12:30:29 PM
My name is Slipkn.... BLEARG!!!!!!


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Nevermore on May 04, 2015, 12:32:07 PM
There's also way too many characters in this. Even if you skip the fighting heroes part it should've been a much smaller group.


I assume a group named "Suicide Squad" will be thinned out in short order.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mazakiel on May 04, 2015, 01:44:27 PM
I'm guessing one of those people will, early on, decide that they don't need to follow Waller's orders once they're in the field.  Which will allow them to then show that they all have explosives in them to keep them in line once that person blows up as an example.  So one of them is going away in probably the first 5 minutes.  My guess is Slipknot, because I had never heard of him before now.  By the end of the movie, we'll probably be down to Deadshot, Harley, Croc, and either Katana or Enchantress. 


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on May 05, 2015, 06:09:46 AM
Slipknot was used in the *comic* as a disposable throw-away who proved that Waller would be willing to blow someone's arm off if they went off-mission, so I would expect him to be gone within ten minutes. Same for about three or four others.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on May 07, 2015, 12:35:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEZ5xMZUEAEcn8Z.jpg)


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on May 07, 2015, 02:49:57 PM
Fuck me, just stop it.  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: DraconianOne on May 07, 2015, 03:49:31 PM
"Do you wanna know how I got these tattoos?"


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Rendakor on May 07, 2015, 03:50:53 PM
3edgy5me


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on May 07, 2015, 06:42:59 PM
Someone needs to put Zack Syder and all these DC executives in some hole and never let them out.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 07, 2015, 06:50:47 PM
You mean some sort of zone from which they can't escape?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Samwise on May 07, 2015, 11:06:07 PM
Perhaps some sort of... spooky... region?

I think it would be preferable if the region in question were outright dangerous, personally.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on May 07, 2015, 11:21:14 PM
Could this haunted zone be like reopened so we can send other people there?  Like Uwe Boll?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on May 08, 2015, 05:34:03 AM
I know I'm a bit biased because I had almost zero interest in the first place, but :  I have so much less than zero interest now.  I don't understand how you DC guys are feeling, but I would imagine it's pretty ragey.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ard on May 08, 2015, 10:26:44 AM
Really, the best part of this whole shit fiesta is that it's causing them to remove characters from their perfect decent tv shows.  I don't even get the mindset involved with that, especially with marvel busy kicking their teeth in.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on May 08, 2015, 10:43:51 AM
DC/Warner has a serious problem in that their movie people think their shit doesn't stink and that TV is somehow the redheaded stepchild it used to be. They do not in the slightest understand the hows and whys of Marvel's success, but they see those billions and covet.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tannhauser on May 08, 2015, 12:52:08 PM
I don't understand why they hired David S. Goyer to write the script when he publicly admitted hating super hero movies.  It's decisions like that that make me scratch my head.  Maybe he owes them a script, I don't know.



Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on May 08, 2015, 02:18:29 PM
Because he's a known quantity who, despite hating the genre, has written a good chunk of successful pieces in it.

It's a very corporate move which should surprise nobody about WB's handling of DC's properties at this point.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: pxib on May 08, 2015, 02:26:53 PM
This has production design problems rather than story problems. The story's going to be fine. Dumb, but fine.

Besides, I'd rather have a super hero movie written by a capable writer who hates super heroes than a mediocre writer who loves them."Three-star talent, five-star drive" and all that.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: angry.bob on May 08, 2015, 06:01:19 PM
The DC Animated Universe direct to DVD stuff is pretty good, case in point the Suicide Squad Assault on Arkham. It was way better than this thing is going to be. The Jared Leto joker pics have been a fucking travesty so far. Will Smith will be shit because he's shit in everything. The costuming on nearly everyone is cringe inducing.

It looks like they got a smaller budget than a single episode of Hercules used to. And at least Hercules usually had boobs to distract everyone from the fact that everyone in ancient Greece dressed and lived like northern European serfs.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tannhauser on May 08, 2015, 06:07:23 PM
After After Earth, Will Smith desperately needs a hit.  This is not it.  He should have done ID5:  The Search for More Independence.

 


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: angry.bob on May 08, 2015, 08:03:39 PM
If you follow statements made by him and his kids it really looks like they've all lost their fucking minds and gone over the deep end.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on May 08, 2015, 08:10:32 PM
If you follow statements made by him and his kids it really looks like they've all lost their fucking minds and gone over the deep end.

The daughter is the sanest one out of the bunch, with Jayden being a fucktard of universal levels.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tannhauser on May 08, 2015, 08:18:40 PM
I don't know, your mom and dad are mega rich and mega famous.  Plus they bring you into a 'religion' full of crazies. I got some sympathy for the kid.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ghambit on May 09, 2015, 11:29:00 AM
He gets to bang Jada Pinkett in a semi-open relationship.  He is winning.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on May 09, 2015, 11:34:54 AM
Er......


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Triax on May 09, 2015, 07:04:15 PM
Er......

(http://i.giphy.com/9c830567WqLCw.gif)

No no, wait a sec, let's see how this plays out. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on May 09, 2015, 09:17:47 PM
He gets to bang Jada Pinkett in a semi-open relationship.  He is winning.

Having seen her in Gotham lately, I'm not entirely sure that can be described as "winning."


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on May 10, 2015, 03:51:43 AM
This is why the quote function is so vital.

 :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on May 18, 2015, 08:29:24 AM
Set photos continue to spread around... apparently there's video, but the only youtube link i saw had been taken down.


Joker's Ride


http://www.unilad.co.uk/video/leaked-footage-from-set-of-suicide-squad-reveals-the-joker-and-harley-quinn-scene/

videos: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/18/joker-suicide-squad-footage_n_7306082.html

And one more confirming previous posts:




Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on May 19, 2015, 12:07:30 PM
lol@excrement.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on May 19, 2015, 01:18:46 PM
Visually stupid, but I'll reserve judgement until I see what Leto does with the character. I liked his acting well enough and convinced me with Dallas Buyer's Club.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Riggswolfe on May 22, 2015, 01:58:27 PM
The Joker looks like a zombie in those set photos. While I agree Leto can add a lot I just have zero faith in the script or, apparently, the set design or make up of this movie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on May 22, 2015, 02:58:57 PM
Lighting and filters could change the look... it may look better in DC Dismal Grey than in real color.

Of course, the look is the least of my fears on this pathway to destruction.  I'd love to see Justice League flop enough to see them cancel the whole series of movies and basically hand the keys to the TV teams...


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on May 22, 2015, 06:50:49 PM
Yeah, it's easier to photograph something light and alter it darker in post than the other way around. The hair/makeup don't really bother me because of that... the rest of the stuff makes me worried.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on May 22, 2015, 07:32:40 PM
Yeah, it's easier to photograph something light and alter it darker in post than the other way around. The hair/makeup don't really bother me because of that... the rest of the stuff makes me worried.

Joker's car is just no for me.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Margalis on May 22, 2015, 09:27:59 PM
Quote
I don't understand why they hired David S. Goyer to write the script when he publicly admitted hating super hero movies.

Why does Lindelof keep getting work? Hollywood is like the MMO industry - once someone is a proven success (which has a very low bar) they get to stick around. I also suspect that Hollywood writers are very flaky and tend to flame out or turn prima-donna, so guys who can reliably turn in a script on time and listen to studio notes get work, even if their work isn't particularly good. Basically go with the devil you know.

As far as this movie - once it became clear that Snyder was in charge of the whole universe I had zero interest. His sensibilities are so far away from anything I like. I'm expecting all these DC movies to be Snyder shit-fests, so if even one is half-decent they will have performed above expectation.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MahrinSkel on May 22, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
That's pretty much me, too. I expect these to suck, and don't have any expectation to see any of them in theaters or any other setting I am paying for. My 'cable, if I even notice or I'm bored' list, not even worth raising the black flag for.

--Dave


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on May 24, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
Well I know why Will Smith took this film.. so his brain dead spawn Jayden can get cast as Static Shock.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Riggswolfe on May 26, 2015, 06:59:12 AM
I'll be blunt. Arrow couldn't use Harley Quinn and lost Deadshot because of this movie. At this point I'm actively hoping for this movie to crash and burn harder than After Earth did so DC has the chance to learn a lesson. (I know they won't learn it.) This just looks pretty awful all around...

Well I know why Will Smith took this film.. so his brain dead spawn Jayden can get cast as Static Shock.   :oh_i_see:

That kid...I swear. He was ok in that dismal Karate Kid remake, as in, he didn't single handedly ruin it but I'm still not impressed. Thankfully I have no idea who Static Shock is.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on May 26, 2015, 07:14:04 AM
Did you avoid superhero cartoons in the early 00's?

http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/staticshock/index.jsp

DC Teen Superhero that does impossible things with the power of static electricity. (though apparently it's electromagnetisim)  Think a teenage black Magneto w/o the Holocaust angst.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Surlyboi on May 26, 2015, 07:44:37 AM
Static shock is based on Static. From the DC Milestone imprint of the early 90s.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on May 26, 2015, 08:05:59 AM
Static is pretty much Black Teenage Peter Parker Superhero in the original comic without the Parker angst--light-hearted, likes to quip a lot, has lots of complicated relationship and friendship troubles, generally fun.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Surlyboi on May 26, 2015, 08:12:13 AM
It was a good counter to the heaviness of Blood Syndicate.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Riggswolfe on May 26, 2015, 02:30:17 PM
Static is pretty much Black Teenage Peter Parker Superhero in the original comic without the Parker angst--light-hearted, likes to quip a lot, has lots of complicated relationship and friendship troubles, generally fun.

So, he'll be in a grey tinted world dealing with his grief and loss while occasionally fighting bad guys in his almost grey costume in the movie version?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on May 26, 2015, 05:26:38 PM
Static 100% does not work in the Cinematic DCU as it stands. Not even remotely.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 26, 2015, 07:03:10 PM
Static 100% does not work in the Cinematic DCU as it stands. Not even remotely.


Grimdark Static.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on May 27, 2015, 07:32:27 AM
Spidey 3.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Furiously on May 27, 2015, 02:28:22 PM
A Huntress/Question romantic comedy would be 10 times as fun as this movie. Actually now I want a Question tv show. He made the DCAU.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Johny Cee on May 27, 2015, 02:31:53 PM
A Huntress/Question romantic comedy would be 10 times as fun as this movie. Actually now I want a Question tv show. He made the DCAU.

I'd watch a Clancy Brown voiced Luthor and Hamill voiced Joker in a remake of the Odd Couple.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on May 27, 2015, 02:32:51 PM
At the rate DC is going, if Squirrel Girl was one of their characters she would be in this movie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on May 27, 2015, 04:48:28 PM
No thank you. I don't need to see 1000000 grim dark depressed squirrels. If I want depressing animals, I'll go watch a shelter commercial.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 28, 2015, 10:00:35 AM
Grimdark squirrel girl already exists.

http://illwillpress.com/

 :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on June 29, 2015, 08:25:09 PM
So apparently the movie is so grimdark that David Ayers hired an on set therapist, in case actors broke down.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: NowhereMan on July 01, 2015, 09:21:09 PM
I suspect that was just when they realised what this is likely to do at the box office.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: penfold on July 03, 2015, 04:47:21 PM
So apparently the movie is so grimdark that David Ayers hired an on set therapist, in case actors broke down.   :oh_i_see:

Bleh, in the 70s they would just push them to have a breakdown to make for a better film. The making of Apocalypse Now was just as fraught as Heart of Darkness.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on July 13, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
Suicide Squad Comic-Con first look trailer. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go)


Meh, doesn't do much for me.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on July 13, 2015, 01:42:02 PM
hahhahha, omg, that fucking sucks.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tannhauser on July 13, 2015, 01:52:26 PM
Lame.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Nevermore on July 13, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
Well that looked as awful as I expected, especially Marilyn Manson the Joker.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: schild on July 13, 2015, 02:15:05 PM
See, I think this looks great because comic books are stupid.

Though mostly it just makes me want Jared Leto to play Spider Jerusalem.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on July 13, 2015, 02:15:11 PM
What was that?  I mean, it was just... I don't know.  Trying a bit too hard with the weird factor, IMO.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on July 13, 2015, 02:20:15 PM
I'm actually more impressed than I thought I would be, though my expectations were pretty much rock bottom. I'm still not keen on Leto Joker's design but I know better than to dismiss an actor's potential to play a part these days. It's not 'my' Suicide Squad (or 'my' Harley for that matter), but it's possibly not the disaster everyone here pretty much thought. I wonder how much I'd like the trailer if they weren't using I Started A Joke though...


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on July 13, 2015, 03:35:50 PM
See, I think this looks great because comic books are stupid.

I feel like it will be a shitty Suicide Squad movie, but a perfectly ok David Ayer movie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on July 13, 2015, 06:29:09 PM
Doesn't work for me. Looks like it's going straight up for splitting "caper movie" and "comic-book movie" without the manic energy that the best of the former have and without the four-color energy that the best of the latter have.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on July 13, 2015, 07:00:10 PM
I liked it better than the Batman/Superman trailer, but the more I think on it, the more I realize it's a REALLY shitty trailer. None of the characters are given names. You have no idea if the Joker is supposed to be the main villain or if he will be part of the squad. If you don't look closely, you won't even see Batman. If you don't know who any of these characters are, the only connection you'll see or hear to the DC Universe is the mention of Superman. And Leto's Joker is far enough away from Ledger's or Nicholson's portrayal that you could argue he's just a weirdo psycho.

I was impressed in that I thought it would look a shitload worse, but as a "this is a DC Universe movie" trailer, a serious and early attempt to create a shared universe, it's a really shitty trailer.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on July 13, 2015, 07:08:10 PM
Nothing impressive there. Leto's Joker seems pretty bland.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MediumHigh on July 13, 2015, 07:17:50 PM
This will suck.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 13, 2015, 07:20:07 PM
Problem with this joker is he probably won't be funny at all.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on July 13, 2015, 07:29:16 PM
Problem with this joker is he probably won't be funny at all.

Yeah but Ledger's Joker wasn't really funny.  He had a couple one liners, but it was more the way that Ledger carried himself and acted that made it.  Also the first time they showed Ledger, he completely sold me on his vision of the Joker.  Leto gives me nothing.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on July 13, 2015, 08:06:48 PM
I liked it better than the Batman/Superman trailer, but the more I think on it, the more I realize it's a REALLY shitty trailer. None of the characters are given names. You have no idea if the Joker is supposed to be the main villain or if he will be part of the squad. If you don't look closely, you won't even see Batman. If you don't know who any of these characters are, the only connection you'll see or hear to the DC Universe is the mention of Superman. And Leto's Joker is far enough away from Ledger's or Nicholson's portrayal that you could argue he's just a weirdo psycho.

I was impressed in that I thought it would look a shitload worse, but as a "this is a DC Universe movie" trailer, a serious and early attempt to create a shared universe, it's a really shitty trailer.

The movie is a year away and this trailer was released for Comic-Con. It's aimed at people who have at least some idea who the characters are. Whether or not it's successful in that respect is debatable but they have plenty of time to market it towards the general public.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on July 14, 2015, 02:19:16 AM
It reminded me of Suckerpunch.  In a bad way.  Because there's no good way to be reminded of Suckerpunch.

Fuck this shit.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on July 14, 2015, 06:33:23 AM
Quick reminder: this is not a trailer. This is a showreel, intended for a small audience, that WB has decided to make public because of the shitty phone-cam uploads. It shouldn't be judged as being anything close to the final film, nor as a commercial vehicle for the final film. It's some footage cobbled together to get a crowd at SDCC going. Judge it for what it is all you like, though.

It could still be awful, it could still be good; I still think this will be better than Superman vs Batman (which looks way more Sucker Punch than Suicide Squad does, imo) but my expectations for both are about as low as they can be. I've never seen anything by David Ayer so he's a complete unknown to me. I don't like a lot of things about the basic design choices of the characters but I guess they're going for a different aesthetic than I'm used to. But I'm genuinely more interested after seeing the showreel than I was before, to a given degree. I hope I get pleasantly surprised, since no one wins when a movie turns out shitty.



Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 14, 2015, 07:30:32 AM
Quick reminder: this is not a trailer. This is a showreel, intended for a small audience, that WB has decided to make public because of the shitty phone-cam uploads. It shouldn't be judged as being anything close to the final film, nor as a commercial vehicle for the final film.


Let's be honest, how many times does it happen that these previews aren't incredibly indicative of the full movie?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: DraconianOne on July 14, 2015, 07:37:13 AM
I particularly like the disclaimer that went with it:

Quote
"Warner Bros. Pictures and our anti-piracy team have worked tirelessly over the last 48 hours to contain the Suicide Squad footage that was pirated from Hall H on Saturday. We have been unable to achieve that goal. Today we will release the same footage that has been illegally circulating on the web, in the form it was created and high quality with which it was intended to be enjoyed. We regret this decision as it was our intention to keep the footage as a unique experience for the Comic Con crowd, but we cannot continue to allow the film to be represented by the poor quality of the pirated footage stolen from our presentation."
- Sue Kroll, President Worldwide Marketing and International Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures

Because someone, somewhere honestly thought that a comic-con trailer wouldn't get leaked.

 :uhrr:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: tazelbain on July 14, 2015, 07:47:19 AM
Warner Bros: Completely Out of Touch with the Digital Age! is their new slogan.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on July 14, 2015, 09:27:55 AM
I do not fucking understand this attitude. We have the Internet now. Even if you don't want it out there, any footage shown to any group of people will get filmed and leaked within hours unless you confiscate everyone's cell phones and verify the confiscation with a goddamn body search. So go ahead and show the footage at the Con, then immediately after it's over, release it on the Internet to much fanfare or ridicule. If it isn't ready for public consumption, don't show it to the fucking public, even a specially-vetted group of said public. There's just no reason not to take advantage of Internet hype.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Riggswolfe on July 14, 2015, 09:46:59 AM
I liked this trailer better than the Batman vs Superman one. I was actually pleasantly surprised by the Joker and Harley. I'm still not sold on Will Smith as uhh...deadshot? I never can remember his actual name. Anyway, I never read many DC comics so don't have a huge attachment to these properties and that probably helps. In fact, the only thing in this trailer that made me cringe was Will Smith's lines. It just was....Will Smith in pretty much every action movie he's done ever. There was nothing special about it. The rest I kind of dug to be honest.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on July 14, 2015, 10:26:57 AM
Will Smith is Deadshot. Pretty much looks like he does not have a lot in common with the Floyd Lawton version in the comics, and that's not just a comment on race. But we'll see.

I recognized Killer Croc easily enough. I sort of recognized Captain Boomerang later. There's another guy where I had no idea at all who he was while watching. Slipknot or El Diablo, I guess. Not like either of those guys really has a highly iconic look or presence, Slipknot was cannon fodder in the comic too. Katana also I recognized right away.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on July 14, 2015, 10:35:13 AM
I do not fucking understand this attitude. We have the Internet now. Even if you don't want it out there, any footage shown to any group of people will get filmed and leaked within hours unless you confiscate everyone's cell phones and verify the confiscation with a goddamn body search. So go ahead and show the footage at the Con, then immediately after it's over, release it on the Internet to much fanfare or ridicule. If it isn't ready for public consumption, don't show it to the fucking public, even a specially-vetted group of said public. There's just no reason not to take advantage of Internet hype.

Pretty much this. Although I argued that the showreel should be scrutinized as a showreel and not a trailer, I still think it's clown-shoes to assume anything shown at something like SDCC (or E3 or any number of industry cons) won't make it onto the internet within minutes of being shown. If they hadn't been so po-faced about 'oh woe is us the evil cam-pirates have sullied the sanctity of our presentation', WB actually did the right thing with the footage by putting it out there. Unlike Fox who now seem to be scrambling to get their house in order over the Deadpool footage leak - 3 weeks before they're ready to make it public? Yeah, ok, Fox. That's not worrying shades of Wolverine: Origins all over again, no sir.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on July 14, 2015, 10:37:30 AM
I have always assumed that this is pretence--e.g., "oh, that was an exclusive, it wasn't ready for viewing" so that you have plausible deniability if the reaction is negative. "It's not ready really! We didn't mean it for full release!"


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mattemeo on July 14, 2015, 10:41:59 AM
It's a half-truth that holds about as much water as a sieve. If you don't want people viewing something because it's not ready, don't put it out into the public. At all. Unfortunately, we live in the hype-age.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Fabricated on July 15, 2015, 08:18:39 PM
I enjoy Joker and Harley's over self-referential tattoos. I'm sure he has "KILLER JOKE MAN", "I AM THE JOKER", "I DO NOT LIKE BATMAN" tattooed elsewhere.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on July 16, 2015, 08:38:37 AM
I enjoy Joker and Harley's over self-referential tattoos. I'm sure he has "I DO NOT LIKE BATMAN" tattooed elsewhere.

That's his tramp stamp.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: shiznitz on July 16, 2015, 09:50:44 AM
Do tramp stamps for men go in the same place? The world wants to know.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lantyssa on July 16, 2015, 10:21:01 AM
I'm pretty sure the Joker loves Batman and his tramp stamp would be something to that effect.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on July 16, 2015, 10:24:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCyXZYfCmJw


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Draegan on July 16, 2015, 12:49:50 PM
I've never heard of Suicide Squad. I do enjoy neckbeards crying about it though.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Bunk on July 16, 2015, 01:37:00 PM
DC Comics meets the Dirty Dozen. All you need to know.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: tazelbain on July 16, 2015, 02:12:09 PM
Something off about it all. Ensemble cast of characters who I have no idea who they are except two don't seem anything like characters as I know them. Maybe if these guys were in previous movies, I might give a shit. And that it's "this is so edgy" style is grating because they didn't show anything edgy. SvB looks like it could be at least a hot mess. This looks like a boring kludge.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on July 16, 2015, 02:14:32 PM
It's funny, I liked Suicide Squad the comics, but really the whole thing kind of falls apart if you don't know who the villains are or what they've done. Just throwing random super villains together without establishing any baseline history for them seems stupid at best. This is like a phase 2 level movie, and DC is still in Phase 0.9.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on July 16, 2015, 03:03:06 PM
It's funny, I liked Suicide Squad the comics, but really the whole thing kind of falls apart if you don't know who the villains are or what they've done. Just throwing random super villains together without establishing any baseline history for them seems stupid at best. This is like a phase 2 level movie, and DC is still in Phase 0.9.

Exactly which is why they are going to push the batman/joker angle. If you don't know the bit players already from the comics, then you probably won't give a shit about this movie aside from those 2. I don't know any of the players in this and have zero interest in this other than a mild curiosity in Leto's joker (which looks like a fucking mess, but that is part of my curiosity).


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on July 16, 2015, 03:19:05 PM
It's funny, I liked Suicide Squad the comics, but really the whole thing kind of falls apart if you don't know who the villains are or what they've done. Just throwing random super villains together without establishing any baseline history for them seems stupid at best. This is like a phase 2 level movie, and DC is still in Phase 0.9.
I still don't know what would possess them to do this movie early in the release schedule.  You need to establish the majority of the villains and then do Suicide Squad... not introduce them in the squad.
HaemishM and jgsugden in agreement?  3rd sign of the Apocalypse.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: angry.bob on July 16, 2015, 03:32:06 PM
I liked the old Suicide Squad and the old Harley. I haven't glanced through a DC book ince the New 52 thing. Their whole universe seems to be every bit as convoluted a mess as it was before, it's just full of people with names I know but the people with them are no one I know or care about. THis version of Harley might be dead on for her new iteration, but to me it just looks like a half ass combination of Hannibal Lector and Natural Born Killers. There's nothing there to like.

When they rebooted they should have just went with whatever the DCAU had going on, that stuff is entertaining, comparatively well known, as near as I can tell has a pretty tight continuity. It's a shame that the best DC movies have all been animated ones.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on July 16, 2015, 03:43:51 PM
Well they are sort of rebooting DC again with this whole Convergence thing I believe.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Margalis on July 16, 2015, 04:53:40 PM
I don't even know who half these characters are, and frankly I can't recognize ANY of them from their appearance in this movie except Joker. Killer Croc looks like a zombie wearing a hoodie.

Isn't the point of SS that they are C-tier guys who die frequently? And also that it's fun to take C-tier guys who have appeared in other comics and put them in their own book?

Maybe DC is hoping this will be like Guardians, except this cast is twice as large and the costuming and such makes them look samey.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Threash on July 16, 2015, 05:00:36 PM
Looks better than the justice league or deadpool movies, not like that's a high bar though.  Any movie with Margot Robbie doing air gymnastics is a must watch though.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on July 16, 2015, 06:28:14 PM
Deadpool was the best thing to come out of Comic-Con.  Followed by X-Men AoA.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on July 17, 2015, 12:30:22 PM
HaemishM and jgsugden in agreement?  3rd sign of the Apocalypse.

Broke clock tells time twice a day.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on January 19, 2016, 07:59:24 PM
New trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRih_VtVAs

I'm starting to warm up to this. It kind of looks like they might be having more fun than over at the grimdark stuff about "heroes" in the Justice League end of things.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on January 19, 2016, 08:12:15 PM
This still... looks terrible.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on January 19, 2016, 08:46:59 PM
I liked the trailer better.. but the music, I don't think it fit.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on January 19, 2016, 11:01:09 PM
Take away the baggage of the Suicide Squad name and being part of DC's movie Universe, and this looks like a perfectly entertaining movie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Trippy on January 19, 2016, 11:25:34 PM
None of the characters in that trailer are interesting or have any personality other than Harley. They should've just made a Harley Quinn movie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Margalis on January 19, 2016, 11:32:54 PM
It looks fine, visually, but the visuals and set pieces have never been the problem with any Snyder led movies.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on January 20, 2016, 02:00:48 AM
This still... looks terrible.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on January 20, 2016, 03:23:10 AM
It's funny to see the total opposite reaction to things here sometimes. Makes me realize how much older we are than popular culture. 

Reaction has been positive elsewhere and hype is building.  While I think most of the positive feeling is from the song and the way the clips were montaged and choreographed so well, I can see the appeal to younger crowds.

It seems like people are calling this DCs Guardians and I'm sure that's what they're going for. If nothing else it's being marketed a hell of a lot better than batman vs superman at this point.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Shannow on January 20, 2016, 04:44:13 AM
I liked it. Looks like they might actually go for some humour over grimdark.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on January 20, 2016, 05:07:53 AM
It's funny to see the total opposite reaction to things here sometimes. Makes me realize how much older we are than popular culture. 

Sure, if you ignore the fact that a lot of pop culture right now is stuff that many of us grew up with like the two top grossing movies last year being sequels to Star Wars and Jurassic Park. I don't think there's some sort of age gap at work here, some people just don't like how the movie looks which I can understand even if I'm cautiously interested in seeing it.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Margalis on January 20, 2016, 05:19:07 AM
Reaction has been positive elsewhere and hype is building.  While I think most of the positive feeling is from the song and the way the clips were montaged and choreographed so well, I can see the appeal to younger crowds.

My reservations are based 95% on Snyder being the guy in charge of the DC stuff. Most people don't know or care about that sort of stuff.

In a vacuum I would probably think this is pretty cool. Like...I thought Kung Fu Samurai Power Armor Chaingun Whores looked pretty cool. (I have no idea what the name of that movie was) But I haven't liked a single Snyder movie at all.

In the Batman vs Superman trailer I thought the stuff with Jesse Eisenberg was genuinely bad - his voiceover was just super cheesy and terrible. Here I can't say that anything looks bad - I just suspect it will be bad.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on January 20, 2016, 06:01:36 AM
Take away the baggage of the Suicide Squad name and being part of DC's movie Universe, and this looks like a perfectly entertaining movie.

I agree.  I also didn't mind the music that much.  They did a decent job of fitting the visuals to it.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Riggswolfe on January 20, 2016, 06:49:40 AM
I'm sort of cautiously looking forward to this while hoping BvS dies in a fire so DC gets over their washed out colored grimdark mode of making comic book movies.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Sir T on January 20, 2016, 07:25:59 AM
I wont be going to see it but it looks like it could be at least ok for people who are into it.

I also haven't seen Guardians of the Galaxy so I think I made a wrong turn somewhere...


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: sickrubik on January 20, 2016, 07:55:51 AM
IReaction has been positive elsewhere and hype is building.  While I think most of the positive feeling is from the song and the way the clips were montaged and choreographed so well, I can see the appeal to younger crowds.

It seems like people are calling this DCs Guardians and I'm sure that's what they're going for. If nothing else it's being marketed a hell of a lot better than batman vs superman at this point.

Keep in mind that the people that have seen it already are a captive audience. Studios are EXTREMELY careful who they screen stuff for these days.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on January 20, 2016, 07:59:33 AM
The trailer showed something better than I expected. I see how they're trying to use this movie to quickly world build the DCU. Still not enthusiastic,  but I may see it in theaters now.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MediumHigh on January 20, 2016, 08:03:20 AM
This will end in tears. Suicide Squad isn't a bunch of redeemable assholes put in jail because there selfish cuddle bears not given a fair shot at life.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on January 20, 2016, 08:28:50 AM
It's funny to see the total opposite reaction to things here sometimes. Makes me realize how much older we are than popular culture. 

Sure, if you ignore the fact that a lot of pop culture right now is stuff that many of us grew up with like the two top grossing movies last year being sequels to Star Wars and Jurassic Park. I don't think there's some sort of age gap at work here, some people just don't like how the movie looks which I can understand even if I'm cautiously interested in seeing it.

And we bitch like children because it's different than what we grew up with instead of letting it be reimagined.


I'm just as guilty of it because I wish to high heaven they'd just use some original ideas rather than repurpose existing IP. However, I get that there's no business sense in creating a new brand when you can spend less money to do otherwise and capture a chunk of nostaliga freaks with it.

Hell, to some extent Star Wars, Indy and Jurassic Park all did this by repurposing the old "brands" of Sci-Fi Radio Dramas, Adventure Dramas, and Monster movies the Boomers grew-up with.

IReaction has been positive elsewhere and hype is building.  While I think most of the positive feeling is from the song and the way the clips were montaged and choreographed so well, I can see the appeal to younger crowds.

It seems like people are calling this DCs Guardians and I'm sure that's what they're going for. If nothing else it's being marketed a hell of a lot better than batman vs superman at this point.

Keep in mind that the people that have seen it already are a captive audience. Studios are EXTREMELY careful who they screen stuff for these days.

I meant people talking about the trailer, not the film. However I'll concede there's no reason to believe they aren't social media bots since that's a major advertising thing now.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on January 20, 2016, 09:34:15 AM
This will end in tears. Suicide Squad isn't a bunch of redeemable assholes put in jail because there selfish cuddle bears not given a fair shot at life.
I only saw evidence of a redemption angle for one character (Deadshot).  IIRC, that is a comic related angle - he is a reformed villain in the comics these days.  The rest of them didn't show signs of reform - just working the option given to them.

I don't expect much from this film, but the trailer makes me believe it is not as bad as I feared it might be, and is probably going to be a better film than BvS.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Trippy on January 20, 2016, 09:35:07 AM
I liked it. Looks like they might actually go for some humour over grimdark.
Again that's because of what they showed of Harley. Oh and some dude we have no reason to care about popping open a soda can. And the music.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on January 20, 2016, 09:36:19 AM
If nothing else it's being marketed a hell of a lot better than batman vs superman at this point.

Absolutely this. This is the first trailer for this movie I've seen where I actually liked it. I'm still not entirely sure about Leto's Joker portrayal, mostly because of the aesthetic. But this still looks better than Dawn of Justice.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on January 20, 2016, 09:53:23 AM
Just not seeing anything worth watching and not cringing over in this movie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on January 20, 2016, 10:38:47 AM
This will end in tears. Suicide Squad isn't a bunch of redeemable assholes put in jail because there selfish cuddle bears not given a fair shot at life.

Clearly you don't know how money works. No popular characters will be dying in this movie, I'll be shocked if the even kill off Croc.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tannhauser on January 20, 2016, 02:24:29 PM
If nothing else it's being marketed a hell of a lot better than batman vs superman at this point.

Absolutely this. This is the first trailer for this movie I've seen where I actually liked it. I'm still not entirely sure about Leto's Joker portrayal, mostly because of the aesthetic. But this still looks better than Dawn of Justice.

I agree with this except I don't like Leto's Joker at all so far.  Just looks wrong.  Good trailer though.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Surlyboi on January 20, 2016, 03:31:39 PM
This will end in tears. Suicide Squad isn't a bunch of redeemable assholes put in jail because there selfish cuddle bears not given a fair shot at life.

First your star wars rants, now this. What is your damage, Heather?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: NowhereMan on January 22, 2016, 12:34:10 AM
I saw a few actual costumes in this trailer which dramatically improved my predictions alone. It looks like they might not be sticking with 'everyone wears a grey/brown trenchcoat' outfitting. I think I'd go with the opinion that I'd probably be slightly positive about this or at least hopeful, after seeing that trailer if it wasn't a Snyder film. The man doesn't seem to give a fuck about plot or character development and devotes no energy or time to it in most of his movies. The focus is always on the massive over the top action scenes. The trailer really focuses on the characters so I'll wait and see if that translates to the movie at all.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on January 22, 2016, 01:24:53 AM
I saw a few actual costumes in this trailer which dramatically improved my predictions alone. It looks like they might not be sticking with 'everyone wears a grey/brown trenchcoat' outfitting. I think I'd go with the opinion that I'd probably be slightly positive about this or at least hopeful, after seeing that trailer if it wasn't a Snyder film. The man doesn't seem to give a fuck about plot or character development and devotes no energy or time to it in most of his movies. The focus is always on the massive over the top action scenes. The trailer really focuses on the characters so I'll wait and see if that translates to the movie at all.

Snyder is producing it since he has a hand in all the DC stuff right now, but David Ayer wrote and directed it.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: NowhereMan on January 22, 2016, 01:39:29 PM
Optimism cautiously rising... But it's still DC. I guess I'll be actually waiting to see what opening weekend reaction is as opposed to Supes v Bats where I literally don't even know what quarter it's being released.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on January 22, 2016, 02:01:37 PM
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Clearly you don't know how money works. No popular characters will be dying in this movie, I'll be shocked if the even kill off Croc.
You act like death means anything.  They can kill Supes in BvS and bring him back in Justice League. 


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: K9 on January 24, 2016, 03:41:31 PM
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Clearly you don't know how money works. No popular characters will be dying in this movie, I'll be shocked if the even kill off Croc.
You act like death means anything.  They can kill Supes in BvS and bring him back in Justice League. 

This here is the problem with comics


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on January 24, 2016, 07:09:50 PM
Name me any serial story where they don't eventually say, "Oh, that guy you think died, he didn't really." It's not just comics.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: K9 on January 25, 2016, 12:47:54 AM
I honestly can't think of any. Can you name them?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on January 25, 2016, 03:37:48 AM
Heck, the Walking Dead just played this game a bit by trying to make us think Glenn was dead. Now that's a show that generally dead is dead (is zombie), but even in 'realistic' serial stories, it's not uncommon to manipulate a scene of death so that someone who seemed dead turns out to be alive. Arthur Conan Doyle had to do that a long while back when he needed Sherlock Holmes alive again to make more money. (And hence, Sherlock needed to do it too in the current show.)

Another classic more 'realistic' way to do it is to have characters walk away from someone dead only to reveal X number of episodes later that he or she was only mostly dead. Or to have a skilled doctor turn out to have revived a basically dead character after other characters left--The Bionic Woman/Six Million Dollar Man pulled that one a long time ago. In science fiction, it can be future medicine of some kind: Star Trek: Into Darkness and Star Trek: The Search for Spock both did that. Cloning sometimes too (the non-SF version of that is a character who turns out to have an identical twin). Even in a more realistic setting, if you don't see the body buried, there are narrative stunts you can pull.

Just a dream--the extreme version of that is Bobby on Dallas.

It's more common with soaps and superheroes, and with certain kinds of SF and fantasy, but even more realistic serial stories sometimes pull out the not-really-dead stunt to get a popular character back (or pretend-kill to get the audience engaged).


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on January 25, 2016, 03:41:08 AM
Bobby in the Shower was an epic reboot though.  Epic.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on January 25, 2016, 03:44:26 AM
Just because it's common doesn't mean it's accepted by larger audiences. or a good trope.  Also there's a gulf between scene manipulation to make you think someon me is dead for a predictable "oh hey they weren't" save the day/ scare the hero and having a funeral/ burying a body only to have it resurrect.  

People thought and still think the Dallas thing was bullshit, not clever and it tainted the brand even to this day. Even people into Star Trek thought the resurrection of Spock was pretty lame and they wanted him back.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on January 25, 2016, 04:22:09 AM
Tainted the Brand.  Of Dallas.

Heh.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on January 25, 2016, 06:07:58 AM
It's not our thing, but it did have its followers, like any Soap Opera. It's worth discussing with men our age as much as Twilight Fan Fiction.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on January 25, 2016, 06:33:59 AM
You don't know me !


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on January 25, 2016, 09:22:54 AM
Hey, not saying it's a good idea, just that it's really common in serial fictions of all kinds--and for the same reason, usually--that you killed off someone that a later writer likes and wants to work with, or that audiences really want the character back.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on March 31, 2016, 03:26:24 PM
A couple of weeks ago I spoke with an excellent source who told me something surprising: the trailer for Suicide Squad, the one with the Queen song, did not represent the film as it then existed. "Every joke in the movie is in that trailer," this source told me. The enormous positive response to the trailer led to Warner Bros requesting reshoots that would alter the tone of the film, bringing in some more of the lightness to which audiences responded.

I have since spoken to more sources and I understand that the reshoots are happening right now, as recently as this week, and that they're big - tens of millions of dollars big. And they're adding more humor and lightness into the film.

This, to me, is great news. Hearing that WB is aware that they need to inject some fun into these movies - and that's what I'm hearing is happening here, not that they're inserting jokes left and right but that they're beefing up fun character moments and interactions - can only mean good things for the future of the DC Movieverse after the deadly serious, zero fun Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.

Justice League begins shooting very, very soon - within a couple of weeks - could this attitude find itself a home on the set of the next Zack Snyder movie? Remember, this is the guy who didn't have Superman and Wonder Woman speak one word to each other - will WB mandate more character interactions? Word is that they're being much more involved this time around...



lol.
Edit: removed link.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on March 31, 2016, 04:29:01 PM
That link sucks and wants to open/ install shit on my phone.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on March 31, 2016, 06:12:25 PM
Other source.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/suicide-squad-may-be-doing-reshoots-to-add-more-humor-1768284534


I smell the panic at WB.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Tebonas on April 01, 2016, 02:51:24 AM
I hope they led the "We need everything dark and gritty for the sake of it" guy into a conference room and beat him into submission with wet towels so that he doesn't try it ever again.

I'm cautiously optimistic now, but big studios missing nuances, I hope they don't veer to much into a different direction and remake it into a weak comedy with bad jokes.



Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on April 01, 2016, 08:06:37 AM
I think that Snyder only having Exec producer credits on this thing and David McFuckstick Goyer not being allowed anywhere near this automatically gives me more hope for it. What's funny is I think this story works better for a Snyder-esque take than Superman, and grimdark is right for it. Though the addition of some lighter, more fun elements based on the droning level of drab in the DC Cinematic Universe is welcome.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on April 01, 2016, 08:26:20 AM
Man, if we could hook up a generator for the stupid hope on these boards, we could power an Arc Reactor.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on April 01, 2016, 08:45:47 AM
I feel pretty confident that I can read some tea leaves of certain kinds, even if I also get unrealistically hopeful that the better ideas I have about where to take a story might actually be in the cards when I know full well that a showrunner or director has no history of good story ideas.

So, for example, I was pretty sure that the early signs of Guardians of the Galaxy being good were real, because: a) the source material is good; b) James Gunn; c) Marvel had already shown a pretty deft touch.

I'm equally sure that rumors of hurried reshoots on a major scale are a bad sign, whether or not Goyer and Snyder have gotten within 100 feet of Suicide Squad during its production. Just like I'm sure that all the directors of the upcoming DC stuff (including Snyder!) saying that the *next* DC films will be "more fun" is the equivalent of a corporate panic attack. There is a WB boardroom somewhere right now where grown men are struggling to keep from peeing their pants. WB had a terrible box office year last year, and their revenue model is entirely built around making mass-market global giant blockbusters--they don't do mid-range films that make modest profits or that perform well with specific demographics. I am very sure that they have Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad down on the revenue projection sheets as making the kind of money that will make up for a bad year.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on April 01, 2016, 09:49:12 AM
David Ayers is writing/directing Suicide Squad. He was the screenwriter on Training Day (good movie), as well as writer/director on Fury (which I haven't seen but heard was decent). I have more faith in him than Mr. Sucker Punch and Mr. Blade Trinity.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: NowhereMan on April 01, 2016, 10:00:11 AM
I'm a little concerned that apparently the trailer was designed to really sell a different movie to the one WB made (it had literally all the jokes) and that their response was to start doing massive reshoots and redoing character moments to make them bigger when that got really positive responses. It reads to me a lot like someone at WB/DC was pushing against the grimdark stuff and got the go ahead to throw up a trial balloon with the trailer. When that proved popular it justified reshoots and redoing the movies.

On the one hand it's positive in that there are clearly some people at WB who understand the reason for the lack of success. On the other it's the kind of movie making by committee and remashing that rarely results in a good product. You can achieve a lot with good editors, I don't know if WB's output thus far justifies faith in theirs. I'm fully expecting a very mediocre movie with a few good moments that feels a bit disjointed rather than a dark and characterless actionfest. Hopefully WB will see that as a sign that their movies were improved by having some decent character moments rather than as something that failed because of the character stuff.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Rendakor on April 01, 2016, 06:42:50 PM
I wonder if the other influence for "more comedy" is the surprising success of Deadpool.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on April 01, 2016, 06:45:53 PM
I wonder if the other influence for "more comedy" is the surprising success of Deadpool.

I'm absolutely certain it's more of this than the critics' reactions to BVS. WB sees the money made and thinks mimicry is the sincerest form of profit-making.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Furiously on April 01, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
I'd settle for a Harley Quinn/Poison Ivy deadpool knockoff movie...


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Rendakor on April 01, 2016, 07:05:56 PM
I wonder if the other influence for "more comedy" is the surprising success of Deadpool.

I'm absolutely certain it's more of this than the critics' reactions to BVS. WB sees the money made and thinks mimicry is the sincerest form of profit-making.
That was my thought as well; BVS is getting panned by critics but it still made more than any of Marvel's movies so they're obviously doing nothing wrong. They will learn no lessons from BVS.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on April 01, 2016, 07:38:06 PM
I wonder if the other influence for "more comedy" is the surprising success of Deadpool.

I'm absolutely certain it's more of this than the critics' reactions to BVS. WB sees the money made and thinks mimicry is the sincerest form of profit-making.
That was my thought as well; BVS is getting panned by critics but it still made more than any of Marvel's movies so they're obviously doing nothing wrong. They will learn no lessons from BVS.

It's not just critics either.  Fans of the movie even complain about it.  I mean the only moment of levity, if you can call it that, is the:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on April 02, 2016, 04:42:07 AM
BvS is only ahead of Marvel films like Thor and Ant-Man, not Iron Man 1,2,3 or Avengers. BvS is in the middle of a huge 2nd weekend dropoff that might put its profitability at risk. (Making a big take doesn't help if you spend almost as much to make and market it.) WB had this pencilled in to make Avengers-like money, I am sure. Given the dropoff this weekend, it's not going to get anywhere near that--I would guess it's going to cume somewhere around $750 million. 

I guarantee that while WB execs are probably too stupid to learn the right lessons, they're worried and panicky right now.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MahrinSkel on April 02, 2016, 05:19:20 AM
The falloff is huge, they're already trying to spin it with how the falloff for Furious 7 or Twilight Breaking Dawn 2 was worse, but those were hugely anticipated franchise-closing films that opened on insane numbers of screens, and were always expected to fall off fast. In comparison, even though both Avengers movies had half the opening weekend, they had bigger *third* weeks than BvS is having for a second, and didn't even go to second-run discount theaters for 4 months (both grossed $1.4-1.5B in the end). Anybody here want to predict when BvS shows up in the dollar theater?

They will probably manage to make money on this just from the way they 'bought their gross' for opening weekend. But they have got to be shitting bricks over how this one wasn't supposed to just pay for itself, but make enough profit to pay for the whole string they have planned. And it's not going to do that.

--Dave


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 02, 2016, 06:37:47 AM
It's never a question of will it make money, things just don't bomb anymore.  It's really about did this make ENOUGH money to satisfy all the effort because there is just so much work put into this sort of production. Maybe six more shitty Kevin Hart movies might be better than this headache.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on April 02, 2016, 01:31:21 PM
BvS is in the middle of a huge 2nd weekend dropoff that might put its profitability at risk.

OUCH (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4172&p=.htm).

Quote
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice takes a massive tumble compared to its opening day last weekend with an estimated $15.35 million Friday. That's an 81% drop from its opening day last Friday, which did include $27.7 million from Thursday previews, but even excluding those numbers you're looking at a 71.5% drop. Rival studios peg the film's second weekend dropping as much as 70%, resulting in a three day weekend around $50 million.

Meanwhile, internationally the film brought in $19.2 million on Friday, bringing its international cume to $363.4 million for a worldwide total of $587.8 million.

That is a serious kick in the chao sack.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on April 02, 2016, 01:46:11 PM
Don't worry it's just cuz of all the DC haters and superhero saturation, it doesn't mean its a bad film!


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Margalis on April 02, 2016, 11:29:00 PM
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I'm a little concerned that apparently the trailer was designed to really sell a different movie to the one WB made...

This was my assumption. A lot of the feel of the trailer came from the music, which is a choice made by whoever put the trailer together, not by whoever actually made the movie. It's hard to say exactly why, but the trailer always came across to me as a collection of the wackiest scenes to make it look like something it wasn't. Maybe the way the trailer is cut.

Watch it again and imagine grimdark music - the only character-centric or wacky parts are the Harley parts. Pretty much everything else is roided up dudes screaming and shooting and such. And a lot of the lighter bits are ADR and voiceover.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Sir T on April 02, 2016, 11:42:03 PM
I would also guess that there are going to be scenes of the Joker's violently abusive relationship to Harley that are going to suddenly wind up on the cutting room floor.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 03, 2016, 09:28:41 AM
I would also guess that there are going to be scenes of the Joker's violently abusive relationship to Harley that are going to suddenly wind up on the cutting room floor.

Replace Leto in every scene with a cgi Ceasar Romero and bam, instant tone shift for them. It's a win win.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on April 03, 2016, 05:27:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QXKzpX5A-I


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on April 11, 2016, 09:36:13 AM
New Suicide Squad Trailer (http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2016/04/11/suicide-squad-trailer-mtv-movie-awards?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+geeksofdoom+%28GEEKS+OF+DOOM%29)

Apparently debuted at the MTV Movie Awards - MTV still does awards shows? Does anyone even watch MTV?

Anyway, this already looks 10 times better than BVS.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on April 11, 2016, 09:52:46 AM
First comment on that link is, "Idiotic idea to reshoot to make "funny." Dark was the way to go."

I want to know what world that guy lives in. Probably one where BvS didn't have an 70% 2nd week drop-off and wasn't lagging behind Ironman 3 by 100 million at day 17.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on April 11, 2016, 09:55:26 AM
If BVS had not been a dreary, depressive, brooding mess, he'd likely have been correct. If anything should have been dark and brooding, Suicide Squad would have been it. It at least would have made more sense. Now that it's obvious that super hero movies really should at the very least be FUN or have some FUN elements amongst all the seriousbizness, he's ass wrong and probably works for Zak Snyder.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MediumHigh on April 11, 2016, 10:08:15 AM
Suicide Squad should be "dark" but there is a difference between dark and emo. And BVS was pretty damn emo. Very few cringe moments or man that's fucked up, a lot of watching characters mope and whine and live in their own head space to the inevitable conclusion that suicide would be a great idea. Nothing dark about that.

Also they have like an hour and a half worth of movie to be better than this episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnUohGDIzog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnUohGDIzog)


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: luckton on April 11, 2016, 10:11:43 AM
I see their marketing department is a big fan of the Wayne's World soundtrack.  :grin:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on June 22, 2016, 07:47:49 PM
Oh, and finally a Suicide Squad trailer on the big screen. That looks fun.

The trailers keep making it look like fun, but I'm still believe we're going to see the trainwreck ending to this little roller-coaster.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on June 22, 2016, 08:24:24 PM
Oh, and finally a Suicide Squad trailer on the big screen. That looks fun.

The trailers keep making it look like fun, but I'm still believe we're going to see the trainwreck ending to this little roller-coaster.

Well rumor still is that they did some deep reshoots.  It wouldn't surprise me if Geoff Johns had a hand in lightening up the movie.  However then you have Snyder making idiotic comments and you realize it's all a false glimmer of hope.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Abagadro on June 23, 2016, 11:55:52 PM
I'll go see it just for Margot Robbie. She makes me tingly in my nethers.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Furiously on July 01, 2016, 01:48:18 AM
I'll go see it just for Margot Robbie. She makes me tingly in my nethers.

Most likely the same. That being said, I think Will Smith is going to have to bust his acting chops to make this decent. Or just go full Fresh Prince. I mean - it worked for Deadpool right?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on July 02, 2016, 09:10:15 AM
I like Colbert's joke about the film, that the international title would be "Mopey Avengers Go to Hot Topic".


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on July 02, 2016, 10:16:56 AM
What's even funnier is they are having a Suicide Squad promotion with Hot Topic selling merchandise from the film.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on July 02, 2016, 06:51:54 PM
 :grin:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on July 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-suicide-squad-tracking-911029

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If early tracking is any indication, the Warner Bros. and DC superhero movie could open to an enormous $125 million in its North American debut when unfurling over the Aug. 5-7 weekend.

I almost fell off my desk chair from my eyes rolling so hard. So now we are into predicting movie box office takes.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on July 14, 2016, 12:18:01 PM
The Hollywood Reporter has to generate clicks somehow.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on July 14, 2016, 07:38:50 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-suicide-squad-tracking-911029

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If early tracking is any indication, the Warner Bros. and DC superhero movie could open to an enormous $125 million in its North American debut when unfurling over the Aug. 5-7 weekend.

I almost fell off my desk chair from my eyes rolling so hard. So now we are into predicting movie box office takes.

It's a pretty common practice, particularly for people who have access to tracking data.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on July 14, 2016, 07:48:35 PM
I can see it simply because this summer feels uncommonly empty. There's really nothing with legs so far, and weekends abound (like this one) where it feels like there's nothing to see. So it's probably reasonable on that grounds alone to think it will open huge even if it sucks because there's nothing the fuck else out there, people are bored, etcetera.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Evildrider on July 14, 2016, 07:53:49 PM
I am actually hoping this is good.  I mean it's about as likely as Allison Brie showing up at my house and sitting on my face though.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on July 14, 2016, 07:56:41 PM
That would be good though.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on July 14, 2016, 08:05:45 PM
Like I've said before, I generally like David Ayer's stuff. Also the cast seemed to have a good time making this and I've never gotten the impression that it ties in too heavily with the Justice League so I wouldn't be surprised if Snyder wasn't too heavily involved in this. Also it's not Superman and Batman. There's not going to be any outrage if they don't get Killer Croc or Boomerang quite right.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ard on July 14, 2016, 10:55:32 PM
Affleck Batman is in it so I wouldn't be too sure of all that, although it's probably just a cameo at the beginning.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on July 14, 2016, 11:35:30 PM
I'm expecting that the few seconds we see of him in the trailers probably accounts for half his screen time.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 15, 2016, 03:37:47 AM
Affleck Batman is in it so I wouldn't be too sure of all that, although it's probably just a cameo at the beginning.

Of the things wrong with BvS, Batfleck was surprisingly not one of them.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on July 15, 2016, 04:18:00 AM
I'm expecting that the few seconds we see of him in the trailers probably accounts for half his screen time.

Read something that stated Batman was only in 10 minutes of the film.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on July 15, 2016, 05:54:10 AM
10 mins of runtime, maybe. 10 mins of screentime is a significant portion of the film, to the point he overshadows the core group and you should just call it a Batman movie.

Screen times of famous characters:
Vader - 12min, The Wicked Witch of the West - 12min, Cinderella - 18min, Beetlejuice - 17min, Elizabeth I (Shakeseare in Love) - 8min, Hannibal Lecter - 16min, Joker (TDK) - 33 min of a 2h 32 min movie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 15, 2016, 06:04:22 AM
Of batman's 10min I expect a long portion to be an action sequence.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on July 15, 2016, 07:32:12 AM
Almost certainly a flashback as well? Or so I'm guessing from the footage briefly shown.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ard on July 15, 2016, 10:07:08 AM
All I was really saying there is that it's the same Batman, and he's integrated into this movie already, so assuming that they aren't going to dredge up the same stupid from the last movie is not a safe assumption.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on August 02, 2016, 01:09:49 PM
Reviews are starting to appear and they're pretty hostile so far. Common thread in most of them is that the film is disjointed, overbusy, and has a third act that makes almost no sense.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: schild on August 02, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
That's because is a DC movie trying to be a Marvel movie. Shouldn't come as a shock.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on August 02, 2016, 03:32:54 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion it made more sense in Ayer's first cut but that it was just grim and self-serious and DC execs said NO NO WE WANTED GUARDIANS OF THE SUICIDE SQUAD, so disjoined and atonal it is!


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Rendakor on August 02, 2016, 05:26:18 PM
Didn't they also rewrite it after Deadpool to be funnier?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on August 02, 2016, 05:32:45 PM
Yes. Judging from the early reviews, they failed. Or more precisely, they succeeded in grafting a bit of humor on in ways that every critic I've read so far says is brutally apparent as a graft--e.g., as something added later, not in the original shoot.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Venkman on August 02, 2016, 07:15:16 PM
A shame. The trailers have been great. I am still excited to see this.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on August 02, 2016, 07:16:37 PM
Morituri te salutant.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Abagadro on August 02, 2016, 07:27:26 PM
The common adjective seems to be that it is "a mess" with Robbe being about the only good part except they don't really know how use her.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on August 03, 2016, 04:36:19 AM
A few reviewers say that Smith is pretty decent too. But that the rest is just kind a mix of inert and muddled. Apparently Leto's Joker is only in a few small bits, almost not enough to get a really strong feel for his take.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on August 03, 2016, 04:48:01 AM
Didn't we already sorta know this is how it was going to play out?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 03, 2016, 08:39:37 AM
I'm still excited, but I'm not really expecting much out of it and haven't since the beginning. I am sure that the reshoots to add more levity certainly made it a more muddled film as it was pretty clear they were going for dark action until BVS came out and doured all over everybody.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Samwise on August 03, 2016, 09:45:44 AM
they were going for dark action until BVS came out and doured all over everybody.

I think the bigger game-changer was Deadpool coming out and making a lot of money by being a fun movie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Paelos on August 03, 2016, 10:03:10 AM
I think the bigger game-changer was Deadpool coming out and making a lot of money by being a fun movie.

It shouldn't be a shock. We're moving out of the dark and brooding shit as the demographic ages, and the generation coming up isn't anywhere near as interested in that viewpoint, imo.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on August 03, 2016, 10:48:37 AM
they were going for dark action until BVS came out and doured all over everybody.

I think the bigger game-changer was Deadpool coming out and making a lot of money by being a fun movie.

True... But they had the 'fun' to work with since, well, it is Deadpool. People are going to fuck up and try to shoehorn everything into that model now even if it doesn't fit at all just to chase that dragon. SSquad will be the first and WB will just say it was the original cut of the film that held them back from making money hats, and if they would have just went with a fun comic theme it would have done better - instead of admitting they put a bunch of garbage pail stickers on a dumpster to liven it up and are now wondering why people aren't entertained. Deadpool showed that you have to have the caring behind the movie for it to work... not specific themes or jokes or characters.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Threash on August 03, 2016, 11:13:43 AM
And it wasn't just Deadpool, Guardians of the Galaxy did it first.  Hell, all Marvel movies have "fun" baked into them.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: satael on August 03, 2016, 11:17:50 AM
I'd say that if they wanted to take something from Deadpool then it's that a R-rated comic book movie is possible instead of toning it down to PG-13 to cover as big as possible demographic. Suicide Squad would have been a good choice for that.
(I haven't seen SSquad yet so it might be good but somehow I doubt it)


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on August 03, 2016, 11:22:52 AM
I think the bigger game-changer was Deadpool coming out and making a lot of money by being a fun movie.

It shouldn't be a shock. We're moving out of the dark and brooding shit as the demographic ages, and the generation coming up isn't anywhere near as interested in that viewpoint, imo.

I'm fucking glad of it. The last 30 years of grimdark pessimism have been pretty shit overall with only a few gems.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 03, 2016, 11:26:07 AM
I blame Frank Miller and Alan Moore. Or more specifically, them for creating such insanely good books that a generation of comics artists and writers tried to imitate them without understanding a goddamn thing about why those works were the way they were.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 03, 2016, 02:47:32 PM
What funny is that with just how huge the marvel movies are, good movies that deconstruct the genre could be insanely popular.  Deadpool while still being a traditional superhero movie still had enough self awareness to tap into that. SS could have really taken the ball and run with it and be a true anti-hero movie but it looks like they just played it safe.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on August 03, 2016, 08:05:44 PM
Look, we forget that Miller and Moore (who had very different interesting ideas about comic-book heroes) were reacting to a previous two decades of highly constrained storytelling where most of the weird implicit properties of superheroes were off-limits: you couldn't ask why they don't go one step further and kill enemies or take political power; you couldn't ask what it meant that they all went around as close to nude as possible; you couldn't wonder about the impulses that would make dressing up like a bat or a circus strongman make sense. Marvel had taken teeny-tiny steps in that direction by having characters motivated by guilt (Spider-Man), failure (Dr. Strange), family antagonisms (FF), disability (Iron Man) but that was about as far as it had gone up to things getting 'darker'. The dark only works as a story element as a contrast to something else , though--meaning if your first take on Batman and Superman is grimdarkery, then it's just nostalgia for that point in time, it's just being an 18-year old man-child getting over the pimples in 1983 and being able to stick to comics because they weren't purely child-like any longer.

At this point, you either have to build up a more innocent four-color world *and* then introduce a dark corner of it, or you have to skip recapitulating the history of comic-books and have a relatively fresh take on the core elements of the characters. That's the MCU in a nutshell--the stripping away and building up. DC just seems to flail around and constantly revisit that 'turn' in comics history. Not just the movies--that's Jim Lee and Geoff Johns, too, that was the "New (now old) 52" in a nutshell, just constantly going back to when men had pouches and women had spinal problems and you could have characters cough up blood and lose limbs and it was all ADULTTTTTT. Nobody wants that now, thankfully.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: IainC on August 04, 2016, 04:24:55 AM
I saw this last night in 3D. I give it a resounding meh out of ten. It wasn't terrible but it didn't do much either. Harley and Mr J were the best bits of the movie by a long chalk but even their backstory felt ham-fisted and rushed. The movie was 2 hours long and my edit would have left half an hour of that out. There were a lot of characters that we didn't give a shit about and that the story gave us no reason to give a shit about. The first half is the Harley and Joker show, while the second half is Harley and Deadshot. Nobody else matters. Who the fuck is the Australian dude or the Chinese girl?

The direction is just bad. There are a series of 'twists' that are telegraphed from fucking miles away and several shocking reveals that really aren't at all. The Joker survived the helicopter crash? You don't say! The dialogue is mostly ok with a few misses when they try and force a bunch of pathos on you, but I was significantly underwhelmed by the whole experience. The best part of the film was being given complimentary cocktails on the way in because the opening was sponsored by some local liquor company.

DC still can't do decent movies.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 04, 2016, 07:43:31 AM
The DC movies have a significant number of problems but the basic one that it boils down to is Warner Bros. execs have no creative skin in the game. They are clearly just trend-humping and comics happen to be money makers right now so HUMP IT UNTIL IT'S DEAD. You could see that the minute you heard they were retooling SS because of the grimdark criticism of BVS. They didn't do it because they thought that was the right approach - they did it because BVS didn't make enough money and Deadpool was funny and R-Rated and the SS trailers were getting good buzz despite not really reflecting the tone of the movie - so just CHANGE THE TONE. Why? Because these other things made money and BVS didn't. No introspection as to WHY the BVS tone was so wrong or why it contributed to lower box office, just copy what they did and MONEY HATS. Box office numbers are dictating narrative elements and that always goes very very bad.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: IainC on August 04, 2016, 07:55:54 AM
The DC movies have a significant number of problems but the basic one that it boils down to is Warner Bros. execs have no creative skin in the game. They are clearly just trend-humping and comics happen to be money makers right now so HUMP IT UNTIL IT'S DEAD. You could see that the minute you heard they were retooling SS because of the grimdark criticism of BVS. They didn't do it because they thought that was the right approach - they did it because BVS didn't make enough money and Deadpool was funny and R-Rated and the SS trailers were getting good buzz despite not really reflecting the tone of the movie - so just CHANGE THE TONE. Why? Because these other things made money and BVS didn't. No introspection as to WHY the BVS tone was so wrong or why it contributed to lower box office, just copy what they did and MONEY HATS. Box office numbers are dictating narrative elements and that always goes very very bad.

Except BvS made crazy bank at the box office. It was a shit film and everyone hated it - fans and critics alike - but it was the 46th highest grossing film of all time according to Wikipedia. If WB learned anything from BvS, it was to always pre-load your launch hype so you make moneyhats on the opening weekend and can ignore everything that happens after.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 04, 2016, 08:16:23 AM
Sure it made a shitton of money - but it didn't make as much money as they wanted (i.e. as much or more than the Marvel movies).


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: NowhereMan on August 04, 2016, 09:52:27 AM
DC movie problem stems from the fact that there's no real plan or vision for the movies. They kind of know where they want to end up (JLA franchise similar to the Avengers, other movies featuring stand alone heroes/teams) but don't seem to feel they need anything more than a release schedule to get there. It's apparent from watching their movies there's pretty much no editorial oversight, with the result that none of these movies work together. There's no consistency of tone or even character design. There aren't really over arching meta-plots.

I think the biggest part of the reason for it is WB didn't start with an intention of creating a cinematic universe. They had Nolan working on some Batman films at the time Marvel were starting to put out their stuff and saw there was potential for more superhero movies so they farmed out some Superman movies (as that's their biggest IP brand). By the time it became apparent that Marvel were building a huge ass shared universe people were paying lots and lots of money to see part of, WB already had a couple of disparate super hero franchises all set out with no real plan behind unifying or linking them. Rather than risk trying to reboot so soon after setting them WB seem to be trying to take those individual movies as setting up the relationships and their creative directors are basically just ripping out famous storylines to put up on the big screen.

There seems to be a reliance on people's outside knowledge of these characters for dramatic impact rather than establishing a universe or characters through the films. SS is kind of a perfect example of why that can waste potential so much. The comic series worked, in part, because it is a great reversal of our normal view of these villains. They've moved from antagonists to protagonists and they're caught between worse villains and a semi-evil shadowy government body. If at least a couple of the characters had been introduced in other DC movies this one could have worked far better. There would be some identifiable characters and viewers could feel more invested. It would also serve as excellent B-plot fodder for say a JLA movie. As it is the whole thing feels like it's a focus grouped cash grab with zero artistic or creative drive behind it. I'm considering watching it just because the trailers (recent ones) looked good and there's nothing else out there at the moment. Not even sure if I'm that excited for it though.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: IainC on August 04, 2016, 10:23:44 AM
DC movie problem stems from the fact that there's no real plan or vision for the movies. They kind of know where they want to end up (JLA franchise similar to the Avengers, other movies featuring stand alone heroes/teams) but don't seem to feel they need anything more than a release schedule to get there. It's apparent from watching their movies there's pretty much no editorial oversight, with the result that none of these movies work together. There's no consistency of tone or even character design. There aren't really over arching meta-plots.

I think the biggest part of the reason for it is WB didn't start with an intention of creating a cinematic universe. They had Nolan working on some Batman films at the time Marvel were starting to put out their stuff and saw there was potential for more superhero movies so they farmed out some Superman movies (as that's their biggest IP brand). By the time it became apparent that Marvel were building a huge ass shared universe people were paying lots and lots of money to see part of, WB already had a couple of disparate super hero franchises all set out with no real plan behind unifying or linking them. Rather than risk trying to reboot so soon after setting them WB seem to be trying to take those individual movies as setting up the relationships and their creative directors are basically just ripping out famous storylines to put up on the big screen.

There seems to be a reliance on people's outside knowledge of these characters for dramatic impact rather than establishing a universe or characters through the films. SS is kind of a perfect example of why that can waste potential so much. The comic series worked, in part, because it is a great reversal of our normal view of these villains. They've moved from antagonists to protagonists and they're caught between worse villains and a semi-evil shadowy government body. If at least a couple of the characters had been introduced in other DC movies this one could have worked far better. There would be some identifiable characters and viewers could feel more invested. It would also serve as excellent B-plot fodder for say a JLA movie. As it is the whole thing feels like it's a focus grouped cash grab with zero artistic or creative drive behind it. I'm considering watching it just because the trailers (recent ones) looked good and there's nothing else out there at the moment. Not even sure if I'm that excited for it though.

The other difference is that they just plain suck. I'm sure that both companies have hordes of anti-fun execs min-maxing over every editorial decision but, for whatever reason, DC just seems to be worse at stripping the cool-factor from their movies. Comics are larger than life and deliberately caricatured but DC seem hell-bent on making their stable of characters as boring as possible.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 04, 2016, 12:02:38 PM
Kevin Feige. I think he's the main difference - he "gets it." It helps a fuckload to have a guy signing checks that really does understand there's more to making money in movies than just ticking all the boxes on the focus group list.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Paelos on August 04, 2016, 01:31:19 PM
So I'm guessing I shouldn't go see this on the weekend. Okay then. I'll probably go see Jason Bourne.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on August 04, 2016, 01:34:37 PM
Kevin Feige. I think he's the main difference - he "gets it." It helps a fuckload to have a guy signing checks that really does understand there's more to making money in movies than just ticking all the boxes on the focus group list.

That requires more than a business degree and a love of money, though. Feige has an evident understanding and affection for not only comics but making movies from the artistic side.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 04, 2016, 02:28:11 PM
So I'm guessing I shouldn't go see this on the weekend. Okay then. I'll probably go see Jason Bourne.

I have bad news for you...


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Bunk on August 04, 2016, 09:37:24 PM
My quick review:

Plot and direction are a hot mess. Some characters get ten minute back stories, others get "oh yeah, and he's on the team too". It's very obviously the Deadshot and Harley Movie.
Joker was fine, Flag was miscast and pointless. Smith was good, Robbie was outstanding (with what she had to work with). Nailed the character - by far the most loyal to the comics/show.

Biggest problem was that tying it in to the Justice League stuff forced them to use a big bad meta-human as the main villain - which just doesn't play to Suicide Squad's strengths. They don't really work as a Super Power Mega Brawl team, and it felt shoehorned in.

I enjoyed it a ton, but I have poor taste and can totally understand why others wouldn't. Still liked it better than Age of Apocalypse.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: K9 on August 05, 2016, 04:36:43 AM
Saw this at a midnight screening. I'll echo most of what the others have said, the film's pacing is a hot mess and you really have to struggle to be invested in any of the characters. Similarly, if not for the widely-known canon surrounding this the film would be borderline incoherent, in particular the Joker's character which - rightly or wrongly - makes almost zero sense within the context of the movie. With so many characters to introduce and setup, and the obligatory 30-minute long action sequences, there's not enough time left for much actual plot, and what story there is feels like a race to get from one piece of visual spectacle to the next.

I'll give Margot Robbie and Will Smith credit for their performances, but they're both great actors and I'd be disappointed with anything less. I think the performance I personally enjoyed was Jay Hernandez as Diablo. Despite having very little narrative space within the film, I felt he was arguably the most effective and convincing anti-hero, and I genuinely felt a degree of sympathy for him. I'd have liked to have seen more of him. The other's were a forgettable mess, the beer-drinking Australian, the katana-wielding honour-obsessed ninja girl, and the Navy Seal chap all felt like retreads of the most tired tropes imaginable, and all felt very one dimensional as characters. Even the moment near the end which is clearly supposed to invoke pathos barely registers, and is immediately undercut.

The action scenes are pretty unremarkable, filling a series of nondescript streets and offices in an entirely nondescript city. It's just a lot of the most generic shooty shooty bang bang I've ever seen.

Lastly, Cara Delvigne seems to have been cast for her good looks and her particular ability to make very strange arm motions, and not much else.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on August 05, 2016, 05:20:33 AM
I thought it was fun but I can get why people don't like it.  It didn't really bother me that some of the characters weren't that fleshed out. I don't think I would have found the movie more enjoyable if Killer Croc had been developed more. Some characters are more important than others, that's fine. I think the biggest issue I had was that the cannon fodder minions the Squad fights in most of the action sequences don't really make for interesting fights. Also Waller's central concept of Task Force X seems to be to use Metas to fight Metas, but that doesn't really justify why they need someone like Harley around who is swinging a baseball bat most of the time.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MediumHigh on August 05, 2016, 06:19:42 AM
Does anyone actually die in this movie?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: K9 on August 05, 2016, 07:08:19 AM
Does anyone actually die in this movie?



Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Bunk on August 05, 2016, 08:30:59 AM


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on August 05, 2016, 10:05:20 AM

The best thing to come from 'Suicide Squad' will be the influx of Harley Quinn costumes this Halloween. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/4w9pw5/the_best_thing_to_come_from_suicide_squad_will_be/)

I agree. Even though most will be of the same age as my daughter, making me a lecherous pervert.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Polysorbate80 on August 05, 2016, 10:16:25 AM
That will also be the worst thing, when it's worn by a sweaty 400 pound guy.

You know it will happen.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Father mike on August 05, 2016, 01:08:12 PM
Aieeeeeeh, the Sailor Moon flashbacks!!!


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on August 05, 2016, 02:00:02 PM
Well I'm sold, Angry Joe loved it.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Megrim on August 06, 2016, 02:48:43 AM
I wish they'd stop making these as big money blockbusters. Just bite the bullet, make it R+ and go from there. Sighface.

Main problem for me was, while Will Smith is a good actor, he is too nice and always shoehorns the good guy family man routine into everything he does now. I've been reliably told that this is actually true to the comic, but this is one instance where they should have gone in a different direction. Doing the movie with him as the main character is just awkward. Main pov would have been better done with the soldierman as having to wrangle the psychopaths (since the story was about his girlfriend anyway), or just go full ham and do it from HQ's point of view, with her shifting between the real and unreal.

They also needed to straight up cut a whole bunch of characters. Cut boomerang guy, cut croc, cut explodey head man, cut katana (heh). Leave Diablo - most people will probably agree he was actually really well done, leave HQ and Deadshot as the main killers. That way they could have just focused on main story of soldierman trying to save girl, with a bunch of lunatics along for the ride.

Anyway, I'm not even the main target audience for this, but at least it was better than Age of Ultron.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MediumHigh on August 06, 2016, 03:27:03 AM
Does anyone actually die in this movie?


Really, really lacking a reason to watch this.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Sir T on August 06, 2016, 06:01:06 AM
I prescribe several viewings of the Dirty Dozen for the people involved in this.

I saw a comment somewhere that while Marvel has the Live action stuff sewn up for now, DC's animated content is far better than the Marvel animated content. Its like the DC Amimated guys are doing what the Live action crew cant do, and the Marvel Animated stuff is like the DC Live action crew.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Riggswolfe on August 06, 2016, 10:51:14 AM
I prescribe several viewings of the Dirty Dozen for the people involved in this.

I saw a comment somewhere that while Marvel has the Live action stuff sewn up for now, DC's animated content is far better than the Marvel animated content. Its like the DC Amimated guys are doing what the Live action crew cant do, and the Marvel Animated stuff is like the DC Live action crew.

I'd also argue that for live TV DC is better than Marvel. (I had to narrow it down because the Netflix stuff is outstanding.)


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Teleku on August 06, 2016, 02:30:36 PM
...... Doesn't that narrow it down to just Agents of Shield?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Flood on August 06, 2016, 02:48:13 PM
I went to an early AM showing on Friday to cut down on the amount of the unwashed masses I had to be exposed to and still try and watch the movie.  In retrospect, and having some time to mull over my opinion(s), I guess I'm probably more of a fanboy than I realized.  I'm glad I caught it in the theater.

That all being said - I'm somewhere between K9 and Velorath on the movie.  K9 in particualr enunciated some of the specific aspects of the movie.  I enjoyed it, it had some neat parts.  But they were mixed in with what was an overall disjointed mash of things.  As a former comic collector and someone pretty familiar with the DC mythos I'm probably more of the target audience but yeah - clean up the flow of the film, more Joker, better villains / fight scenes (faceless zombies, lame).  To me it could have had a longer running time.  I'm hoping that the DVD release will have some sort of Director's Cut that will add some of these rumored deleted scenes.

Another example (for me) of a movie that was right in my wheelhouse of interests but was "alright" by dint of nothing being overtly awful. 


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 06, 2016, 07:24:49 PM
You know what? Fuck the critics. All the criticisms I'm seeing of this movie were right, BUT... it was still a good movie. It beats the shit out of BVS (not hard) in that at least it's a coherent plot, with characters whose motivations are fairly clear and make some goddamn sense. There are clear red shirts in the team, and it does feel choppy in places. The Joker is mostly there to provide a reason for Harley Quinn to be there and so we don't really get a good feel for Leto's take on the character. The action scenes are mostly pedestrian with a few good moments.

All that said, it is still worth watching. It got the main beats from the comic down, it had some cool characters that I want more of (Katana, Croc and Boomerang are somewhat underused but we got enough to want more) and it moved along at a good pace. I thought both Will Smith's Deadshot and particularly Robbie's Harley Quinn were OUTSTANDING. Deadshot is absolutely straight out of the comics, especially the part with his daughter and I thought they fit it well to the character. Diablo started out as a bit character but by the end, he was also one of my favorites.

Harley Quinn, though, was the absolute breakout star of this. She was fantastic. The writing, the quips, the acting, all top notch (and yes, holy shit is she CRAZY HOT). She's the craziest of them all and yet her motivations are the most clear. If Joker and HQ are not part of the next Batman movie, someone needs to be slapped hard.



Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: KallDrexx on August 06, 2016, 08:47:35 PM
Jesus christ this was so bad.  I'm pretty sure it was edited by a monkey.  There was no flow, the random cuts to backstory were poorly done, and done in a way where you couldn't tell the scene you just abruptly cut to was a flashback or current time, they tied random scenes together with music that had no purpose being cut together.  They hid enchantress bolting just so they could revisit that scene as some big reveal that there was a bomb under the subway is wtf.  You can also very easily tell what parts they reshot to make funny, and they were not funny in the slightest.

I think they could have had actually made a good movie with what they shot for the most part if they didn't fuck the editing up so badly.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MediumHigh on August 07, 2016, 06:12:50 AM
So girlfriend being a Harley quin fan dragged me to this. Boy was this uninterested. Its a solid 6/10 but I highly doubt they can revisit this again. The dialogue was straight bad. Like written by a 13 year old with a 5th grade education and just realized his computer won't melt when you watch porn. If there is a "R" cut for this i'll save my brain cells. Will Smith spent very little time acting and they took literally all the edge from deadshot character. Harley quin works I guess. She doesn't save the movie, despite having unofficial main character status, nor does she hurt the movie either. In hindsight there is very little going on in this movie, the fact that her subplot takes up 1/3rd of the run time points to a very simple reason why this movie has mixed reviews.

You either came for Harley Quin or you came for the Suicide Squad. If you came for the latter than your going to be rather disappointed. If you expected a vehicle for the extension of the batman universe and yes Harley Quin, than you got your spring board. Also to note this Harley Quin works with this incarnation Joker. Which is the worst "you don't really get it do you" interpretation I have ever bare witness too, easily knocking DC Movies version of Superman out of that coveted spot. I feel the joker shouldn't twitch like that. I mean I just got caught up to The Strain and looking at this joker wondering when will a tongue snake make escape velocity out of his mouth. Why can't the joker make complete sentences???



Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: IainC on August 07, 2016, 09:45:18 AM





Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on August 07, 2016, 12:01:49 PM
Just saw this. I rate it around IM 2. Leagues better than BvS, but still failing in some places. It was entertaining but the cuts for the comedy stood out pretty hard. We got TWO introductions to the characters that mattered. The Reshoot and the Original script. Probably should have cut one of those out.

The music also seemed ripped directly out of the trailers and overlaid into some scenes as a way of creating a connection to what people liked. I don't believe for a moment any of the Rock was in there before the reshoots.

I disagree with anyone who says we didn't get enough of Leto's Joker to make a judgement. We got plenty of him. We see how he acts, schemes, and interacts with henches, other Criminals, and Harley. He's a very different take, very slick and sexualized. This is a Joker who fucks. I never saw any sexual charisma out of other Jokers, they were all madness and depraved indifference to all things human. The only thing that mattered was the Joke that is life and death, or power and the illusion of it.

I can't say I'm a huge fan of the characterization, since it lost some of the madness along the way. He was intense and focused on his woman rather than totally insane. Still the obsession part was there and done well. The only complaint I've really got is it felt more like Leto was trying to channel Ledger into that than make it totally his own. Rather than making it totally his own, several scenes seemed like he was shown a performance of other Jokers and and tried to meld them together rather than coming up with his own take.

Same complaints about Robbie's Harley accent. It slips a few places pretty badly. She was trying to portray the voice actress' Harley rather than a Jersey/ Bronx accent.

Waller was a lot darker than I expected. This is not the Amanda I knew from the DC TV days. Is this how she is in the comics? The scene in the tower was a bit jarring but added a LOT to the character. Combined with the after-credits scene this is totally a woman I can see as the antithesis of Bruce Wayne.

The rest of the movie was there. The twists were predictable, as noted, but I don't go to see a comic movie for the complex plotting. I was entertained enough and give it a 6/10. It was better than X-Men: Apocalypse and far better than I'd been expecting it to be.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: KallDrexx on August 07, 2016, 12:39:53 PM




Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Bunk on August 07, 2016, 12:47:12 PM
Waller is a complete psycho power-mad bitch in the comics, they toned her down in this.

I agree with a bunch of the criticisms and I think they mostly come because Suicide Squad vs Superbad makes no sense. It should have been a Mission Impossible/Caper type of plot. The last cartoon I saw got it right, invading Arkham.
Boomerang was pointless here because the guy's a dam jewel thief - what the hell do they have him along for - to throw one gimmicked boomerang? He needed to be there because he's iconic to the original comic, but it made no sense.

Also, waaay to much effort to tone down the violence and criminal aspect of the characters, with the faceless minions and all. This really should have been a hard R movie.

I still enjoyed it though.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 07, 2016, 02:30:38 PM
The guy who can climb was actually named as Slipknot. Yeah, he was just as useless in the comics.  :why_so_serious: He basically got played by Boomerang here as a test to see if they were shitting about the neck bombs.

Apparently there was a shitload more stuff shot for the Joker that wasn't used - according to Leto like an entire movie focused just on the Joker's worth. Maybe we'll see some of that in a director's cut blu-ray.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Furiously on August 07, 2016, 11:20:00 PM
So any of you see The Killing Joke yet? How is the real Joker?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Velorath on August 07, 2016, 11:52:28 PM
So any of you see The Killing Joke yet? How is the real Joker?

The Killing Joke was terrible.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Strazos on August 08, 2016, 06:49:23 AM
I give this movie a strong "Meh." Harley and Deadshot were decent, thought Enchantress was well-done. For all the hype, Joker had very little screen time or impact. Diablo was cool; turning into an Aztec avatar was a nice touch. The rest of the characters were forgettable throwaways. The actual shooting and plot were a complete mess.

Note - I have not seen Man of Steel, or BvS


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 08, 2016, 08:41:34 AM
I'd put this movie as much better than BVS, about on par with MoS though MoS was a little better shot with better action set pieces.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Bunk on August 08, 2016, 09:53:45 AM
$135 Million domestic debut. Smashed August records. Shows how much bad reviews really matter.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on August 08, 2016, 10:06:19 AM
$135 Million domestic debut. Smashed August records. Shows how much bad reviews really matter.

Or how meager the slate of movie releases has been.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Samwise on August 08, 2016, 10:20:10 AM
Wow, this thing made more in its opening weekend than Ghostbusters will make in its entire theatrical run.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on August 08, 2016, 11:17:34 AM
Your options this week were SS, Jason Bourne, Nine Lives and other things that have been out for a while. SS was going to do well, but it did better than just that.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on August 08, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
There was a built in audience of people that really wanted to like this movie.  They went weekend one.  I have a feeling this will have a huge drop off and then be seen as a disappointment.

I won't be seeing it anytime soon.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Teleku on August 08, 2016, 12:19:22 PM
Yeah, are we forgetting that Batman Vs. Superman did $170 million it's opening weekend?  It subsequently fell off a cliff.

Not saying this one wont have more legs, but based on reviews, I have a feeling it will follow the same trajectory.  Reviews and word of mouth do matter, and that's how marvel makes a billion dollars on a film, instead of a few hundred million in two weeks then nothing.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 08, 2016, 03:49:28 PM
It did make more money in one weekend than ghostbusters made in four, karmic boners for all.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Rendakor on August 08, 2016, 03:58:56 PM
Something something misogyny something something.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 08, 2016, 07:19:54 PM
Harley Quinn is a woman.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Furiously on August 08, 2016, 09:04:39 PM
Doctor strange in a month!!!


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: schild on August 08, 2016, 09:34:26 PM
This movie made so much fucking money that DC and Co will learn nothing.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Cyrrex on August 08, 2016, 10:35:14 PM
Having seen neither up to this point, the difference between SS and BvS is that I really, really want to see Margot Robbie playing HQ and wearing those outfits.  Which obviously also means that I support women in strong roles.  They shoulda put her in that Ghostbusters movie, too.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Paelos on August 09, 2016, 07:32:12 AM
Wow, this thing made more in its opening weekend than Ghostbusters will make in its entire theatrical run.

One had actual stars. One didn't.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Samwise on August 09, 2016, 09:24:34 AM
I dunno, Will Smith was SS's biggest star that I can think of and he's kinda a has-been at this point.  What was the last thing he was in that was any good?  I Am Legend?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Paelos on August 09, 2016, 10:45:56 AM
I dunno, Will Smith was SS's biggest star that I can think of and he's kinda a has-been at this point.  What was the last thing he was in that was any good?  I Am Legend?

It had more names than that though. It had Will Smith, Margot Robbie, and Jared Leto. I don't really care about the screen time because those people were top billed. Who did Ghostbusters have? Melissa McCarthy, anddddddd uh, nobody. And even McCarthy is a stretch as a "star" in the industry since the biggest box office draw she's involved with was Bridesmaids at around $290M.

Meanwhile Men in Black 3 grossed more at the box office than her last 3 movies combined. Will may not draw like he used to, but he's still bigger than most stars in an action type movie, and people go to see him.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Samwise on August 09, 2016, 12:19:25 PM
I didn't know who Margot Robbie was before I heard that she was the one playing Harley Quinn, and I only know Jared Leto from American Psycho (which was a long ass time ago) and Mr Nobody (which was a flop that I enjoyed on Netflix after it unceremoniously left theaters).  I think even being in a bit role, Chris Hemsworth on his own is a bigger box office draw than the entire SS cast.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: schild on August 09, 2016, 12:38:57 PM
I dunno, Will Smith was SS's biggest star that I can think of and he's kinda a has-been at this point.  What was the last thing he was in that was any good?  I Am Legend?

Will Smith will literally never be a has-been. The dude gets people in seats. He was one of the highest paid actors, if not the highest, at one point.

That said, it not only had real stars (Leto and Smith, Robbie is a hot nobody), it had real characters. No one wanted to see shitty Ghostbusters. Except shitty people.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Yegolev on August 09, 2016, 02:00:08 PM
I dunno, Will Smith was SS's biggest star that I can think of and he's kinda a has-been at this point.  What was the last thing he was in that was any good?  I Am Legend?

Men In Black


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Samwise on August 09, 2016, 02:27:53 PM
No one wanted to see shitty Ghostbusters. Except shitty people.

That's more what I was getting at.   :awesome_for_real:

Until I looked up the box office numbers (because I was curious how bad SS was flopping), I assumed based on media coverage that it was a complete failure, since I've been seeing articles about how GB16 was a triumph over angry man-children and really its box office numbers are very good, based on it barely breaking even on production costs.  

Then after seeing the same people writing about how SS is a disappointing flop, and looking up the numbers to compare it to the triumph that is GB16...   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 09, 2016, 04:30:22 PM
No one wanted to see shitty Ghostbusters. Except shitty people.

That's more what I was getting at.   :awesome_for_real:

Until I looked up the box office numbers (because I was curious how bad SS was flopping), I assumed based on media coverage that it was a complete failure, since I've been seeing articles about how GB16 was a triumph over angry man-children and really its box office numbers are very good, based on it barely breaking even on production costs.  

Then after seeing the same people writing about how SS is a disappointing flop, and looking up the numbers to compare it to the triumph that is GB16...   :why_so_serious:

SS squad had a lot going into it.  Good trailers, high hopes from DC fans that it couldn't be as bad as BVS, original enough property to be interesting but with a DC brand to be familiar. Couple big names, A joker. Ghostbusters had name recognition but it also burned a lot of goodwill with the people that cared about the name.  Also as always Action > Comedy at least at the box office.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Kail on August 09, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
SS squad had a lot going into it. 

I heard it bombed in Japan, but Germany thought it was a gas.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ginaz on August 09, 2016, 09:08:40 PM
Wow, this thing made more in its opening weekend than Ghostbusters will make in its entire theatrical run.

One had actual stars. One didn't.

One was also an original movie, not an uninspired and unwanted reboot.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on August 09, 2016, 10:56:54 PM
By all reports, SS was worse than expected, GB was better than expected, and neither was very good. What more need be said?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ginaz on August 09, 2016, 11:01:15 PM
By all reports, SS was worse than expected, GB was better than expected, and neither was very good. What more need be said?

I liked SS a lot more than I did GB.  It wasn't as good as most of the Marvel based movies but it was enjoyable and holy fuck did Margot Robbie nail Harley Quinn.  I hope we get a Harley spin off movie sometime soon.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: K9 on August 11, 2016, 06:31:30 AM
I didn't know who Margot Robbie was before I heard that she was the one playing Harley Quinn, and I only know Jared Leto from American Psycho (which was a long ass time ago) and Mr Nobody (which was a flop that I enjoyed on Netflix after it unceremoniously left theaters).  I think even being in a bit role, Chris Hemsworth on his own is a bigger box office draw than the entire SS cast.

Did you miss Wolf of Wall street? The film is somewhat insufferable, but Robbie is one of aspects that's hard to criticise on any level. Jared Leto also played the peroxide blonde guy in Fight Club, but since he spends most of the film with his face mashed up I could forgive anyone for forgetting that. He was also in Dallas Buyers Club, so it's not like he's not getting top roles, but I'd have to agree that he's probably not got as much broad draw as Chris Hemsworth.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on August 11, 2016, 06:48:54 AM
I didn't know who Margot Robbie was before I heard that she was the one playing Harley Quinn, and I only know Jared Leto from American Psycho (which was a long ass time ago) and Mr Nobody (which was a flop that I enjoyed on Netflix after it unceremoniously left theaters).  I think even being in a bit role, Chris Hemsworth on his own is a bigger box office draw than the entire SS cast.

Did you miss Wolf of Wall street? The film is somewhat insufferable, but Robbie is one of aspects that's hard to criticise on any level. Jared Leto also played the peroxide blonde guy in Fight Club, but since he spends most of the film with his face mashed up I could forgive anyone for forgetting that. He was also in Dallas Buyers Club, so it's not like he's not getting top roles, but I'd have to agree that he's probably not got as much broad draw as Chris Hemsworth.

He was amazing in Dallas Buyers Club though... And you have to figure, he spends more time with his band that acting too. However, he'll always be Jordan Catalano.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: BobtheSomething on August 11, 2016, 08:39:14 AM
Wait.  He was Jordan Catalano?

May have to see this movie now.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: MahrinSkel on August 11, 2016, 10:52:08 AM
So I watched Mr Nobody: Holy Fuck, what a confusing mess of a movie. I get that like Cloud Atlas, it is supposed to be, and it does a better job of putting it together in the end, but you have to accept having no clue WTF is going on for the first hour to get there.

But Leto certainly isn't the problem with it.

--Dave


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: 01101010 on August 11, 2016, 12:33:47 PM
So I watched Mr Nobody: Holy Fuck, what a confusing mess of a movie. I get that like Cloud Atlas, it is supposed to be, and it does a better job of putting it together in the end, but you have to accept having no clue WTF is going on for the first hour to get there.

But Leto certainly isn't the problem with it.

--Dave

That was my exact reaction when I watched it. Almost had me wondering why I watched it, just like Only God Forgives.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Surlyboi on August 11, 2016, 07:29:11 PM
I watched Focus just for Smith and Robbie.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Soulflame on August 13, 2016, 09:41:08 PM
I guess this wasn't awful.  Just really stupid.

I liked the characters well enough.  But goddamn was the story stupid.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: schild on August 13, 2016, 09:55:16 PM
So I watched Mr Nobody: Holy Fuck, what a confusing mess of a movie. I get that like Cloud Atlas, it is supposed to be, and it does a better job of putting it together in the end, but you have to accept having no clue WTF is going on for the first hour to get there.

But Leto certainly isn't the problem with it.

--Dave

That was my exact reaction when I watched it. Almost had me wondering why I watched it, just like Only God Forgives.

Ayyyyy someone else watched Only God Forgives.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Pennilenko on August 14, 2016, 05:26:53 AM
I watched it too. I actually liked it as well.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ghambit on August 16, 2016, 08:37:48 AM
Leto will always be the dude from Requiem for a Dream; for me.   Watching his gf go ass-to-ass before dumping him over bucks to pay for dope, just before getting his arm sawed off... has a special place in my heart.  Which probably partially explains why I liked this movie.  Definitely liked it more than BvS.

It's a chaotic love story, through and through.  Rife with the crazy that so often accompanies it.  The disjointed editing was suitably chaotic; so while some folk may have hated that aspect, I thought it played into the overarching idea of the thing.  Made me almost want to get back together with my ex.  Almost.

Smith and Robbie were obviously the stars for obvious reasons (plus they work amazingly together; a fact I'm sure Jada just loves).  I still say Robbie is the most talented young "Marilyn Monroe" type actress out there today.  That type of 'look' with that level of skill is extremely difficult to find out there.  She was the most perfect HQ they could of had.  If she could get an oscar nod for a supers flick, I'd say give it to her for this role (but it won't happen).

DCEU has this whole "magic is growing" shtick that I like.  It gives them at least something slightly more mystic, dark, and mysterious to play with.  They're not that good at it yet, but here's to hoping they'll get there.  They can't do Marvel's shtick even if they had the ability to.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: SurfD on August 16, 2016, 10:55:02 PM
DCEU has this whole "magic is growing" shtick that I like.  It gives them at least something slightly more mystic, dark, and mysterious to play with.  They're not that good at it yet, but here's to hoping they'll get there.
Except that pretty much exactly the way Civil War handed BvS its ass over "how to do big important good guys fighting each other", I have a distinct feeling that in about a month,  Dr. Strange is going to hand the DCUs ass to it on a platter once again, this time in terms of "magic is growing", when the people who understand exactly how to make superhero movies fun throw out their tentpole entry into the mystic side of the marvel  universe.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ghambit on August 17, 2016, 01:10:21 PM
Except I'm not necessarily looking for "fun" in my dark, mystical supers flicks.  Leave that to Marvel, as you say.  DCEU needs to focus on the subtler, darker, crazier, aspects.  So basically Netflix Marvel.   :oh_i_see:

Fuck, DC is doomed I guess.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on August 17, 2016, 03:49:13 PM
DC needs to raise their hands, admit they screwed it all up, accept defeat, cancel everything and reboot in 2021 or later.  Meanwhile, give all TV rights to Berlanti and let them do it right on TV.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Riggswolfe on August 17, 2016, 08:12:38 PM
Except I'm not necessarily looking for "fun" in my dark, mystical supers flicks.  Leave that to Marvel, as you say.  DCEU needs to focus on the subtler, darker, crazier, aspects.  So basically Netflix Marvel.   :oh_i_see:

Fuck, DC is doomed I guess.

Why? DC is even more bright and four colored than Marvel is. Their characters are more goofy than most Marvel characters and should be done with fun in mind. Let's face it, Batman went grimdark because of the Dark Knight Returns and as a reaction to the campiness of the 60s Batman. An over-correction. The problem is, none of their other properties should have followed. Superman isn't subtle, dark or crazy. Superman is a boy scout who always tries to do the right thing. And if you say that kind of character is boring and can't work I'm going to point you towards Captain America. (Which I think has been done in another of these threads already, so I can't claim ownership of that idea!)


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 17, 2016, 08:42:29 PM
Actually, if you look at any of the DC New 52 stuff onward, you can forget 4-color DC. That shit doesn't exist anymore. The new rage is for every character to be a gaping dickhole to each other.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mazakiel on August 17, 2016, 10:45:42 PM
I think they're dialing that back with the Rebirth stuff though. 

They even brought back the old continuity Superman.  Lois and kid in tow. 


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on August 19, 2016, 07:09:38 AM
DC and Marvel are both effing with our modern Legends too much in the comics. They're constantly trying to make New Cokes when Coke Classic is all people want.  Yes, characters need to evolve, but they should not be rewritten. That rarely works. And they should not be interchangeable, generally. It might work for Green Lantern, but not for Thor, Hulk or Superman.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Riggswolfe on August 19, 2016, 07:27:34 AM
DC and Marvel are both effing with our modern Legends too much in the comics. They're constantly trying to make New Cokes when Coke Classic is all people want.  Yes, characters need to evolve, but they should not be rewritten. That rarely works. And they should not be interchangeable, generally. It might work for Green Lantern, but not for Thor, Hulk or Superman.

I've been wondering why they do this. I guess they assume comics are read more by collectors these days than kids and the collectors get tired of the same old, same old. But they keep changing stuff so much I have very little interest in even trying to keep up anymore.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 19, 2016, 10:41:38 AM
At least with Marvel, I see a LOT of trends in the new stuff they are doing, mostly to do with "social justice" type stuff. Not to bob anything up but the amount of forced diversity they are putting into new character concepts is... well, it feels OBVIOUS. As in they are forcing character concepts into female/minority characters. I have no problem with diversity - I love the Falcon becoming Captain America and the different sorts of stories that can generate (though I think Nick Spencer's work on the Sam Wilson, Captain America stuff is about as heavy-handed as you can get). But at some point it has become really obvious they are doing this to make a more diverse cast for movie characters whether it makes sense for the character or not.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 19, 2016, 10:47:39 AM
At least with Marvel, I see a LOT of trends in the new stuff they are doing, mostly to do with "social justice" type stuff. Not to bob anything up but the amount of forced diversity they are putting into new character concepts is... well, it feels OBVIOUS. As in they are forcing character concepts into female/minority characters. I have no problem with diversity - I love the Falcon becoming Captain America and the different sorts of stories that can generate (though I think Nick Spencer's work on the Sam Wilson, Captain America stuff is about as heavy-handed as you can get). But at some point it has become really obvious they are doing this to make a more diverse cast for movie characters whether it makes sense for the character or not.

Paper comics have been on life support for the last decade at least. Changing characters drastically is just the industry desperately trying something, anything to stay relevant.  Marvels diversity is just the same in that they are looking for new audiences of readers with minority kids but that isn't working well either.  It's funny that people complain about all these changes because this is it, these are the last ditch efforts to salvage this sinking ship. People shouldn't be complaining they should be mourning, this is the band playing while the titanic goes down.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on August 19, 2016, 01:43:45 PM
Don't be silly. Marvel isn't looking to the published comics to make their revenue, and they're not going to get rid of them. They're basically an ongoing attempt to create new intellectual property to draw upon some day and to experiment with revisions or reinterpretations of characters that might be useful later on in other more lucrative media adaptations. This is now the quintessential case of convergent media development and the only issue going forward with paper/digital comics will simply be if a given title is losing money at an abnormal rate or if it's serving no purpose whatsoever going forward for intellectual property development and protection.

DC is in a more complicated situation in the sense that the comics and the other properties are weirdly aligned due to higher-level mismanagement, but they'll keep publishing in some form no matter what because Batman, Superman, etc., have if anything even more long-term intellectual property value than many Marvel characters might.

The real anomaly isn't the present publishing environment but instead that weird time in the mid-1990s when comic-book sales were being driven by collector speculation. Even then they weren't making money, at least in the case of Marvel, due to really serious investor mismanagement that was consciously intended to bankrupt the company.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Furiously on August 20, 2016, 01:50:35 AM
The Marvel rights are a total mess, Fox has the X-men, Fantastic 4 and the word "mutant", Sony has Spider-man, Universal Orlando has a hulk roller-coaster and a Spider-man ride and the rights to have most of the popular characters in their parks.  Course, I guess they make money every time a shirt is sold in Universal Parks.

So it makes sense they are creating new characters no one else has the rights to. I still don't see how any of them will ever appear in a Disney Park.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Merusk on August 20, 2016, 09:23:27 AM
I don't get how you think Superman and Batman have greater long-term appeal than Marvel chars, Khaldun. That seems to be an age-bias thing. Supes and Bats are and have been popular among older folks; Older X'ers and Baby Boomers. But we're dying out and kids and 20-somethings are really into the Marvel brands. Especially with as much as the movies keep knocking things out of the park.

Not to mention Spiderman has remained one of the top-tier superheroes for name recognition as long as Batman and Superman have. Ironman has reached that status thanks to the movies, too.

As long as WB/ DC keeps fucking-up their properties, the only people who care about their characters will remain old people.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Surlyboi on August 20, 2016, 02:04:05 PM
I'm on the older side of X and I've always preferred Marvel.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on August 20, 2016, 02:24:40 PM
Batman is just way deeper into the DNA of American popular culture. If nothing else, the relative age of the characters matter. Kids today aren't "in" to the Lone Ranger, Tarzan or Buck Rogers (as recent films with mediocre box office demonstrated) but the character names are still recognizable. Ask a kid of 12 what Tarzan does and they can probably do the yell; ask them to draw Batman and they can do it, almost regardless of their level of pop culture exposure. That's worth something, though it can't overcome a bad film or media treatment.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Jimbo on August 23, 2016, 12:48:36 PM
I think I've dated a few Harley Quinn's in my lifetime so far, fun but crazy!

I and a couple of friends went and saw it, was a fun great movie. Not some major earth changing film of all time, but still a fun movie, went great with popcorn.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Mac on August 26, 2016, 05:52:12 AM
I saw this last night and it was meh. Not bad, just blah.

Margot Robbie does a decent job but all the other characters are completely forgettable, including Will Smith.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Phildo on August 26, 2016, 06:19:28 AM
Does Will Smith ever get to say "Welcome to Goffam"?


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: HaemishM on August 26, 2016, 07:55:37 AM
Not even for the few minutes when he's actually IN Gotham.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Khaldun on August 26, 2016, 08:16:37 AM
I'm having an interesting summer because I've decided not to give these guys money. I actually had to go see the Tarzan film in a theater out of professional interest, but the only one I've gone to otherwise that I expected to enjoy and did enjoy was Civil War. We saw Star Trek Beyond together because I thought I'd probably enjoy it and I did, even though it annoyed me in parts. We saw Warcraft because, I dunno, my daughter and I play it and we felt like it. I liked it somewhat better than I thought I would.

My daughter and wife have gone to the rest--I've turned them into comic-book fans even though they mostly don't read them and just ask me about them. They don't read message boards that discuss these films, or even movie reviews, really, so they mostly come back with unfiltered or unrehearsed reactions.

Batman v Superman: they came back and said, "OMFG the plot was ridiculously stupid and incoherent in parts." They made endless fun of the dumbness of "what did you say her name was?" But they thought it wasn't the absolute worst thing ever.

X-Men Apocalypse: they thought it was ok. Not great, not bad. Their favorite is still First Class.

Independence Day: they found it a huge waste of time.

They didn't feel like seeing Ghostbusters and neither did I.

They were up for Suicide Squad, though, and when they came back, it was exactly what Mac just said: not bad, just...nothing. A waste. They thought the plot was a mess but unusually didn't even ask me to sort out what these characters are like in the comics, they didn't care about any of them. (Whereas I got grilled about Apocalypse's history in X-Men comics, just like they wanted to know everything about Deadpool and all the Civil War characters.) They found Robbie the only memorable thing. They hadn't read anything about reshoots or tonal issues but they exactly said this: that there was a tonal incoherence. They found a lot of the movie boring.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Sir T on September 07, 2016, 07:13:11 PM
Someone asked about the Killing joke 2 pages ago. So here is the "honest trailer" review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSYZekLljpg

Vertict; "... Eh?"


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: shiznitz on September 09, 2016, 09:16:11 AM
I saw this to kill time while my son was doing a 3 hour activity and we were too far from home for me to drive and come back. Like everyone else, I enjoyed some parts but thought the potential was wasted. Margo Robbie's desirability goes up after every movie of hers I see. I had to leave after the defeat of the witch woman so I did not watch all the way to "le fin".


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: lamaros on February 28, 2017, 03:21:31 AM
Well, I had about 50 hours in aircraft the past few weeks, and of all the stuff I watched this piece of crap was easily the worst.

I only lasted 30-40m, and I watched nearly all of Jupiter Rising...


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: jgsugden on March 11, 2017, 10:06:40 PM
I watched it.  My opinion of the DC properties remains the same.  The best they can do now is cancel everything, give it a few years and reboot with full control under the hands of people that like and respect these characters, not people that feel they need to change them to make them accessible.

Although, Margot Robbie was a great Harley for most of this film...


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: SurfD on March 12, 2017, 01:22:09 AM
Yeah, DC just seems to be throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks at this point.

From what I understand, their next two sideshow entries are a "Bad Girls of Gotham" thing with Harley, Poison Ivy and someone else, and a Nightwing movie.  Fucking NIGHTWING gets his own movie and we haven't even had a full fucking Batman movie in their new continuity yet.......


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Father mike on March 12, 2017, 06:38:02 AM
That actually makes a bit of sense.  If they know how badly they're flailing, and all they have is the "throw stuff at the wall" plan, then burn thru your minor characters testing stuff out.  Once something works, let that creative team loose on the big guys.

Personally, I dont think it will work that well.  James Gunn did an amazing job with GotG, but I'm not sure his style would translate across to the spy-thriller vibe the Russo brothers have built with the Captain America films. 


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: IainC on March 12, 2017, 07:06:48 AM
That actually makes a bit of sense.  If they know how badly they're flailing, and all they have is the "throw stuff at the wall" plan, then burn thru your minor characters testing stuff out.  Once something works, let that creative team loose on the big guys.

Except the last few Superman movies exist.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Ironwood on March 13, 2017, 02:00:39 AM
I, for one, would be happier if they didn't.


Title: Re: Suicide Squad
Post by: Hoax on April 10, 2017, 05:16:56 AM
worst movie na. literally couldn't finish it when watching it pirated in bed on a saturday first thing in the morning, that's prime idgaf i can watch whatever viewing. i didn't fall asleep i literally had to get out of warm bed and turn it off.

fuck this pile of garbage. if i end up skipping Wonder Woman in theaters even though it looks ok it'll be because of residual hate for this and Bat vs Supes though this was 10,000 times worse.