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Title: Better Call Saul
Post by: Nevermore on February 02, 2015, 06:29:36 PM
So it's finally debuting this Sunday.  I think it would be unreasonable to expect it to be as good as Breaking Bad, but I hope it turns out to be entertaining on its own merit.

Here's the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xIGfVFb-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xIGfVFb-U)


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Signe on February 02, 2015, 11:26:19 PM
I'm looking forward to this, too.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on February 03, 2015, 10:49:55 AM
It could be one-quarter as entertaining as Breaking Bad and still be a kick ass show.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Nevermore on February 09, 2015, 11:53:12 PM
Good start, thumbs up so far.  I especially liked the prologue part at the beginning of the first episode, though I'm so conditioned by Fallout that anytime I hear the Ink Spots I expect a pan-out to an apocalyptic landscape and I half expected to hear a voice over saying 'Saul.  Saul never changes.'  :grin:



Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on February 10, 2015, 10:39:54 AM
Just watched the first episode and so far I really dig it.



Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: jgsugden on February 10, 2015, 02:36:51 PM
I've seen episode 1, but not 2 yet - and it gets full thumbs up from me.  I don't expect it to rise to the level of Breaking Bad, but so far that doesn't seem impossible.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Signe on February 16, 2015, 10:55:04 AM
I've seen one and two and no complaints from me, either.  This is at the top of my list for new shows.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Abagadro on February 24, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
This show is really, really good. Amazing for such a young show (but not particularly surprising given the talent involved in front of an behind the camera).


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on February 24, 2015, 11:21:48 PM
Being that both the show runner and the star have had multiple seasons writing/acting with this character, I couldn't consider it a new show. New circumstances, definitely. It's very cool seeing Saul trying to not be a shitheel but slowly moving towards the shyster we all know and love.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Abagadro on February 25, 2015, 01:20:54 AM
Even with that talent, it's actually a pretty tricky maneuver to create a prequel for an ancillary character. I am quite impressed


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on February 25, 2015, 12:06:26 PM
Gilligan is definitely showing he's no one-show wonder. Man's got skills.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: shiznitz on February 25, 2015, 12:41:39 PM
Being that both the show runner and the star have had multiple seasons writing/acting with this character, I couldn't consider it a new show. New circumstances, definitely. It's very cool seeing Saul trying to not be a shitheel but slowly moving towards the shyster we all know and love.

So the show is a prequel to BB?  That wasn;t clear to me from the promotions.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Miasma on February 25, 2015, 01:03:23 PM
All but ten minutes of the show is definitely set before anything from Breaking Bad but it's also done as a flashback, or rather several layers of flashbacks.  I didn't finish watching Breaking Bad because it got too intense and I had to stop so I don't understand if the first ten minutes of the first episode is after the events of Breaking Bad or not.

I would assume so but is it?


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on February 25, 2015, 01:12:35 PM
It is.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Ozzu on February 27, 2015, 05:44:53 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/2PVDFoq.jpg)


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Abagadro on March 10, 2015, 12:04:11 AM
Great episode. Give Banks the Emmy already.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on March 11, 2015, 02:43:28 PM
Great episode. Give Banks the Emmy already.

Yeah, this. Holy fuck, did he absolutely crush it on this episode.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Ozzu on March 28, 2015, 11:10:32 AM
This show is just so damn good already. You can just see the fall coming for Jimmy but you can't help but hope that by some miracle it all works out for him. Of course it won't, but it sure makes you hope.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Miasma on March 28, 2015, 02:24:12 PM
Nothing wrong with being the manager of a cinnabun (I broke down and bought/watched the rest of breaking bad because of this, squeamishness be damned).


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Rasix on April 01, 2015, 03:47:28 PM
Great episode.  Mike kills it as always.



Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: taolurker on April 07, 2015, 02:26:25 PM
This show is really good TV, and very promising with great performances all around. Was definitely expecting more of a cliff hanger at the season finale, but I definitely will continue watching.

Michael McKean was really good last episode, every time they're in his house I keep looking if one of the pictures around will be this:

(http://cdn.gunaxin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Thumb60.jpg)


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Rendakor on April 07, 2015, 03:39:30 PM
The finale was kind of disappointing, but the previous one was great so I didn't mind too much.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on April 07, 2015, 04:36:55 PM
I thought it was a good wrap up, though yeah... not nearly a climactic event as the end of last week's. More of a denouement.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Miasma on April 07, 2015, 08:05:05 PM
I thought that was a great episode, fantastic way to end the season.  That Chicago sunroof speech was amazing.  I had to google the end song because my memory sucks.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Abagadro on April 07, 2015, 08:13:32 PM
I thought it was a good wrap up, though yeah... not nearly a climactic event as the end of last week's. More of a denouement.

That's fairly typical of how Gilligan structured BB so it's not that big of a surprise to me. I loved the long scenes of Jimmy melting down, getting back into his Slippin Jimmy groove, and then having his realization of wanting to be Saul.  That decision was much more self-actualized than the result of desperation, which is what I thought going in would lead him down the path to Saul.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: apocrypha on April 08, 2015, 01:54:22 AM
Bob Odenkirk is a fantastic actor. Great series, love the slow burn.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Draegan on April 09, 2015, 08:59:03 AM
This show is fantastic. This was a much watch for me weekly and didn't stay on my DVR for more than 24 hours.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Phildo on April 10, 2015, 10:16:02 AM
They really did a great job of defying expectations in the last episode.  I kept waiting for Jimmy to go all Walter White on HHM.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: KallDrexx on February 16, 2016, 09:45:06 AM
Oh snap, apparently this is back!

And apparently EU Netflix users get it for free


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on February 17, 2016, 10:16:04 AM
It is back and the first episode is excellent as usual. The on-the-fly con on Bluedouche McStockbroker was just fantastic, and shows just how comfortable Odenkirk is with that character as well as how good the writing is. I was kind of skeptical that this show could have legs but had faith in Gilligan's team. It seems that faith was justified.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: jgsugden on February 17, 2016, 12:07:09 PM
That Stockbrocker was from Breaking Bad... He had some automotive issues.



Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: eldaec on February 18, 2016, 02:29:39 AM
That Stockbrocker was from Breaking Bad... He had some automotive issues.

As was the tequila, and I'm fairly sure that parking lot where Mike meets baseball card guy is where Walter tried to blow up Gus.

I'm glad they appear have slowed down the conversion to Saul. I didn't buy him turning down the job offer at the end of S1, but this episode did a so much better job of explaining it and showing what Jimmy wants to be instead of just regressing to what he once was.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on February 24, 2016, 09:20:27 PM
Squat cobbler.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: apocrypha on February 25, 2016, 12:15:22 AM
I nearly injured myself laughing at that.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Wasted on February 25, 2016, 08:46:51 AM


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: apocrypha on February 25, 2016, 09:20:21 AM
Yeah, when she said "why would you do such a thing?" both my wife and I practically shouted at the screen "Because it made him feel alive!".

In Breaking Bad he came across to me as a kind of sleazy character who was taking an easy route to easy money by representing criminals. This show has rewritten that impression completely.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: jgsugden on February 28, 2016, 12:14:18 PM
Squat cobbler.  :why_so_serious:
I'm wondering how much you could make off of a $10 per viewing squat cobbler site this week.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Abagadro on February 28, 2016, 12:31:40 PM
They actually made the film.  Per the podcast they said it will probably be a DVD extra.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: jgsugden on March 03, 2016, 11:18:53 AM
They actually made the film.  Per the podcast they said it will probably be a DVD extra.
Interesting.

And the answer was $42,000.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: KallDrexx on March 15, 2016, 09:51:55 PM
Another great episode.  I wonder if it's Mike that puts him in the wheelchair unable to speak.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: apocrypha on March 16, 2016, 09:09:23 AM
I can't remember, did him & Mike have any interaction at all in Breaking Bad?

And yeah, great episode. Loved the flashback at the start in the pristine house. What a dick Chuck is, and was.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: jgsugden on March 16, 2016, 11:43:48 AM
As a shock to nobody: Season 3 Achievement Unlocked (http://www.amc.com/shows/better-call-saul/talk/2016/03/amcs-hit-drama-better-call-saul-renewed-for-third-season)

This show is second only to Fargo right now.  The only thing keeping it from being on the same level as Fargo is the slightly rough fit of shoving in characters from Breaking Bad.  It isn't a bad execution, and it is fun to see some of these characters again, but it isn't quite seamless and it takes me out of the current story as I try to reflect back on whether the characters met each other in the 'future', etc...


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: KallDrexx on March 16, 2016, 03:04:41 PM
I can't remember, did him & Mike have any interaction at all in Breaking Bad?

I want to say no, but it's been to long to say for sure.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on March 16, 2016, 03:54:28 PM
I think by the time of Breaking Bad, the uncle was in the nursing home and never interacted at all. Hell, Tuco was only in the first season, IIRC.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: KallDrexx on April 20, 2016, 06:55:24 AM
Man, that was a weak ending :-/


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: HaemishM on April 20, 2016, 09:35:07 AM
More like a "goddamn, I have to wait how long for the resolution to this?" type of ending.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: apocrypha on April 20, 2016, 11:50:28 AM
Yeah, very disappointing. Still, Chuck's a dick.

Theme of the Mike story seems to be almost a mirror of the Breaking Bad thread - how much violence do you, as a viewer, accept from the character before re-categorising them as a bad guy?


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Segoris on April 20, 2016, 02:34:35 PM
Yeah, pretty weak ending overall and not just the the end with Chuck and Jimmy. My biggest gripe is that they spent so much time with Mike in what was supposed to be a suspenseful situation, but all the suspense was lost because we know all but almost everyone at the house is alive in Breaking Bad.



Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Signe on April 20, 2016, 06:24:07 PM
I knew at the end of last weeks episode that he was going to come clean for some reason and Chuck was going to record it.  So, yeah, way predictable, too. 

Also, Chuck is a dick.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: jgsugden on May 31, 2018, 02:54:21 PM
Returning August 6th... There is a huge spoiler in both articles I've seen announcing the return date.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: eldaec on August 07, 2018, 06:11:03 AM
I wouldn't call it a spoiler.

Anyway. Is back. Is great.

Edit:

Watched this a second time and the last scene, I struggled to imagine how they'd really shift from Jimmy to Saul - but there it is right there.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Samwise on August 20, 2018, 06:14:34 PM
I remember trying to get into this when it first premiered, feeling like it was too slow-moving compared to Breaking Bad, and putting it down.

Just finished binging the whole series over the course of a couple of weeks.  I think I actually like it better than Breaking Bad now.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: jgsugden on August 20, 2018, 08:55:10 PM
I remember trying to get into this when it first premiered, feeling like it was too slow-moving compared to Breaking Bad, and putting it down.

Just finished binging the whole series over the course of a couple of weeks.  I think I actually like it better than Breaking Bad now.
This is a great show, but 95% of Breaking Bad is better than 95% of this show.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Samwise on August 21, 2018, 12:20:34 AM
I think what makes me like it better is that I have more people to root for.  The interplay between Jimmy, Chuck, Howard, and Kim is amazing because  I find myself sympathizing with all of them to varying degrees over the course of the show.  Jimmy really gets a raw deal most of the time and is trying to do the right thing most of the time but at his worst my god is he a flaming shitweasel.  Howard is a bit of a dick but he always behaves at least reasonably and wouldn't be an antagonist if he weren't tangled up with Chuck.  Chuck is a giant asshole but he's also always technically right (the best kind of right).  Kim tries to be Jimmy's conscience but when it comes down to it she's an enabler and she's happy to look the other way and even help when dirty deeds need to get done.

In Breaking Bad you had Walt starting off as the protagonist, with everyone else mostly being an asshole (except maybe Walt Jr), and everyone (especially Walt) just becomes more of an asshole as the show goes on.  It did a better job of continuously escalating stakes (which is why Better Call Saul felt slow the first couple of episodes), but doesn't have as much of an emotional hook because of the lack of likeable characters.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Signe on August 21, 2018, 09:43:27 AM
I get the feeling that Kim wrote that nice letter.  It's SO not Chuck. 

I love this show.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: eldaec on August 21, 2018, 07:53:33 PM
Definitely better than breaking bad. In particular I feel bad about Kim's obvious impending doom every episode, could watch Mike and Gus bringing order to bullshit for hours, but most of all watching Odenkirk turn the clown from BB into a real character is really something.

They dropped Chuck at exactly the right time. The space it has given the show is remarkable.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Abagadro on August 21, 2018, 08:37:51 PM
I get the feeling that Kim wrote that nice letter.  It's SO not Chuck. 

I love this show.

Don't think so or Jimmy's reaction to it wouldn't have affected her so much.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Rendakor on August 22, 2018, 08:02:41 AM
I'm a season or two behind, but like Samwise I like BCS more than BB for pretty much the same reason. I need at least one character to root for to really get into a show, and Breaking Bad didn't have that at all for me.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Samwise on August 23, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
I get the feeling that Kim wrote that nice letter.  It's SO not Chuck. 

I love this show.

Don't think so or Jimmy's reaction to it wouldn't have affected her so much.

It's possible that she wrote it and her reaction was because she's realizing that Jimmy has totally cut himself off emotionally.

I think Chuck wrote it, though.  He referenced Jimmy being at HHM, which means it was while he was still in the mail room (safely under Chuck's thumb) and before he became a lawyer, which is the point at which their relationship started to unravel (because, as Chuck put it, Jimmy was a "chimp with a machine gun" -- my interpretation is more that Chuck's ego couldn't handle more than one lawyer in the family).


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Abagadro on August 23, 2018, 06:35:36 PM
Quote
her reaction was because she's realizing that Jimmy has totally cut himself off emotionally.

Well, I think that is why she reacted that way, but I think it wouldn't have registered so hard if it was some sort of plan of hers.  She doesn't seem the type either.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: eldaec on August 24, 2018, 03:45:48 AM
Also I thought that letter is exactly how Chuck believes he feels about Jimmy.

Especially as I took it as written before the show started.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: eldaec on September 19, 2018, 02:12:50 PM
I absolutely love where this show is hanging right now. The hammer is about to come down. You know likable characters are about to get fucked. You can pretty much see how. But you want to watch it because the people performing are worth watching.

There is no cheap reliance on plot at all. Resembles a play more than serial TV.

I'm thinking season 5 will be the end. Unless they want to do any story after Jimmy is fully established as Saul.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: jgsugden on September 19, 2018, 10:03:19 PM
Someone suggested they might continue the show much longer... by moving full time to the future timeframe.  However, I think Jimmy's story ends about as nicely as Walt's did.