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I set up the league for this coming season.  All of last year's participants should get an email invite.  Some time in July I will open it up to new people if anyone invited has not joined.  If you played last year and would NOT like to play this year, let me know as soon as you know.

Draft date is Sunday August 24th at 9PM EDT.  If this is bad for many, I can still change it easily enough.

Back to kick ass.

I've been in this draft since... forever, but I think I will bow out this year.

It always drove me nuts to have someone who wouldn't look after their team properly and it's driving me even MORE nuts to know that the last couple years that person has been me.

Will still follow along, but it'd be more fair if I let someone else take my spot.

I won one league last year and came in 11th in the main league as well. This year, I'm going to actually draft my team so I don't end up with suckass Colin Kaep.

Marching to mediocrity once again!

Would like to join, but am on vacation on draft date.

Here comes the obligatory "what about the JV league?"  Because, where else can I go to finish in second place for the 18th consecutive year?

I'm in again for both leagues.

I think for the JV league people normally posted in the main league thread as well and emails magically went out later

I haven't ever joined an f13 fantasy football league, but I would love to start this season if there is an opening.

There's usually room in the JV league, and it looks like there will be in the main league as well. 

I'll restart the JV league soon.. maybe even today.  :awesome_for_real:

I'm in if you have a spot as well.

JV League renewed.

I'm JV'ed up again as well.

Yay!  Team Whippy, back again to play bridesmaid.

Ruvaldt has been invited. Phildo is top of the waitlist.

The Invalids are back for the main league. Should be there for the draft.

The Ex-Presidents are ready for their freshman season!

In for back-to-back.

I got the invite but haven't actually registered yet. I will get to it. Definitely in.

Can someone set up the pick'em league as well?  I want to see if Haemish owns a Delorean. 

Haughty Dipshit and Ginger Gorillas, please accept invites or let me know if you want out. 

Done. Will text GG and get him on it too.

GG is running out of time.  I cannot hold his spot forever.

Just got a SMS confirmation that he is in. Whether he manages to log in or not is an entirely different question. If he doesn't accept in the next week or so feel free to fill his spot and post here so I can publicly mock him.

I see that he joined.  The league is full.

Too late for JV?

I think I remember how this works, and I wasn't last place in my non-F13 league.

I've run a couple of drafts since the ESPN app makes it easy.

I think FF is going to be strange this year.  Seems you can field a team pretty well as long as you get in on those top 6 RBs.

I think there's room.  Go ahead.

I usually buck the conventional thinking and avoid RBs with my first two picks.  Not because you are wrong, but because I just tend to not have much faith in any given RB for any given year that they will perform well.  I just don't trust that the pre-draft top 5 RBs will actually be the best 5 RBs.  I want my first couple of picks to be as close to "sure things" as is possible in this game.

Am I supposed to already know where it is?

This is definitely bucking conventional thinking.  Who in your opinion are as close to sure things as you can get?

I just need to not auto-draft. I've never had a good one.

Last year, I took Calvin Johnson with my first pick.  I either try to make sure I get someone like that, or one of the top two or three QBs.  It usually works because everyone else is busy grabbing RBs.  The problem with that is that you can easily end up with an Arian Foster, a Ray Rice, a CJ2K or a MJD...guys who are projected to be the top Fantasy makers, but end up totally fucking not.  I get that RBs are the top points earners, but it is too much of a gamble these days to know WHICH ONES are going to be on top.  There are too many other factors on a team that determine whether or not an RB will have a good year.

Anyway, it tends to work for me.  But then, that is because I am probably the only one in the league who does it. 

I've found I end up losing if I have shitty WRs and an average QB. My RBs have almost never dictated my overall success.

I tend to prioritize RBs based on their past history in the passing game rather than their running stats. Also, my first round pick is almost always the best available WR. Generally works for me.

Also I'll never draft Kaepernick again. The loser.  :why_so_serious:

I usually go for a QB or top wideout before a RB. RB's are just so random these days, it's almost impossible to pick which one is going to be a hit or going to hit the injured reserve.

I try to draft a kicker first and I hope everyone follows that advice in the f13 league.

Dumb question but the drat order for the JV league isn't confirmed yet right?  That will happen tomorrow before the draft?

I think it happens right before the draft.

It sets itself like an hour before.

I will likely miss the draft due to other shit that's come up.  Enjoy skullfucking my auto-drafted team this year.

I always auto-draft.  Just pre-rank your stuff and it usually ends up fine.

Now watch me get three kickers and Tampa Bays defense.

Yahoo does not like my draft. Gave me a D+ and shit all over it while not saying anything constructive at all. Alfred Morris was a bad pick where I got him?  Ok, why?  What would have been a better choice?

Anyway it's just going off projected points which probably is the least accurate and laziest way to predict fantasy football you could think of.  If you just drafted based on who remaining had the highest project point total you'd be worse off than if you'd auto drafted. At least the default ranks had a little bit of thought put into them.

Is the draft tonight? I thought it was tomorrow for the main league.

Main league is tomorrow, Jr. League was today.

Yahoo gave me a C draft rating. Yeah, their projections are shit.

Well, what other criteria should it use to judge your draft?  I look at my roster compared to both of yours, and I would way rather have my roster.  Yahoo is doing more or less the same.

Of course, we can all agree that how things play out in real life can be something else entirely.  I took some big gambles (even though I auto-drafted, I surprisingly got more or less exactly what I was going after) on players with recent injury history.  If they stay healthy, you are all toast.  If not, I am toast.

Who got Wes Welker?  He already has a concussion.  :awesome_for_real:

Damnit I have another live draft at the same time.  Go go autodraft, again :(

Sam Bradford blew out his ACL. So if you got him, well for one thing you were dumb.

But in this case maybe autodraft fucked you too.

Might make it tougher on Zac Stacy though, since opponents can put like 9 men in the box now.

So my draft was scheduled for 7pm tonight and Yahoo completely shit the bed.  Can't wait to see what my autodraft team looks like.  :oh_i_see:

Let's proceed to the draft discussion.  I am not trying to pick on anyone, but just sharing my opinion.

Best Draft: Roosters
I really like the strength of the core with Charles, Foster and Luck.  Patterson should be solid but that pick and injury to Foster are the big risks.  There are always several young WRs that the pro fantasy guys love that don't live up.

Worst Draft: Ex-Presidents
The autopicker fucked you.  Not a surprise. You have a ton of SF players and got a kicker in the 8th round.

Attack Monkies also looks strong but I think Doug Martin is a total bust so I could not give him Best Draft.

Best Autopicker: The Invalids
Major WR power on this team with Bryant and Green. RB is a shit show but that is a workable problem when injuries start happening.  I think RGIII has a good year as well so while the picker drafted him higher than necessary, it should work out ok.

For my team, I usually refuse to take RB first unless they are high PPR players like the top three, but I felt I would still get a strong QB if I let that position slip into round 2.  I picked Maclin too early for his value but if I didn;t grab more WRs then, I would have to depend on stretches.  I was shocked that I had a good crop of back up RBs to choose from at the end.

Yeah who knows on Doug Martin. TB doesn't have a lot going for it atm though.

Yeah, I had a funeral come up and I couldn't be at a computer.  It wouldn't matter anyway though since I'm having trouble actually logging into my account!

I was really just picking value which forced me to grab Forte at 7th spot instead of A.A.Ron.

Other value picks: Matt Ryan & Edelman & Jennings. Guys that I would not have taken unless they were falling to me.  Matt Ryan might have a good year, but I'm not confident at all.

So I picked up Cutler as back up.  Ugh.

Really not happy about anyone on my team.  I should've picked for fun!

Ah well, at least I got Gordon for 3 games this year.

I am counting on him to revert to form, personally.  I moved him up my rankings to basically ensure I got him.  If he stays healthy, he should do okay in a Lovie Smith game plan.

I did the same for Gronk.  I may look like a total idiot by the end of the year.

MrHat - Cutler might tear shit up this year in Fantasy.  He's got some pretty impressive weapons around him now, and possibly better protection.  He can go 8-8 and still toss for a mile.  OTOH, I have been saying this exact same thing for the past 5 years.

I got Romo as my backup, and I am actually pretty happy about that. 

Hey Murgos - you are Tebow's Comeback, yes?  Can't help but notice that you have roughly 8 starting RBs on your team.  As such, I am curious if you would consider trading one of them for a WR.  I have, for example, Mike Wallace on my bench who on top of being a dick will probably also go over 70 receptions and 1000 this year.  I also have Emmanual Sanders who, given Wes Welker's recent decapitation, might catch 40 touchdowns or so.

Same goes for any of you in need of a WR.  Mind you, I am only looking for top shelf RB talent.  Just testing the waters here. 

Hey folks, since I missed the boat on both f13 leagues this year, I'm going to run a Yahoo league and could use some more bodies.  PM me if you're interested in playing.

E: Due to scheduling issues, we're going to be drafting a week from tomorrow.

Which league is this? I like Sanders.

Ya, Roosters team seems so stacked at starters.  Even the bench has some great depth guys with Miller and Sanders.

JV.  And yeah, Sanders is looking like a potential monster in that offense, so I wouldn't trade him (at this point) for anything but a top RB.

Trade proposal sent.

I think this is my last year doing fantasy football.  My autodrafts were fucking brutal.

Since I have not been paying any attention to football this year, are we doing a Pick 'Em thing again? I am not a fantasy football person... but I like picking teams that I think will end up losing.

Noted...but don't hold your breath  :awesome_for_real:  Also, fuck Riley Cooper in his earhole.

I was thinking about putting Sanders in my starting lineup before I even heard about Welker's injury.  Good chance I will put Harvin on the bench until we know how he will be used in the offense.  So in other words, I don't think I would trade Sanders for a bench RB.  Wallace OTOH...

I think Cutler throws 30TDs this year so he was a steal that deep in the draft.  The question is how many INTs.  As a reminder, INTs cost double (-2) in our league versus the default.  Still, 2700 yds, 30 TDs and 15 INTs = 258pts = 16pts per game which is solid.

I debated drafting Cutler as my backup, then realized he'd probably be injured for at least the quarter of the season I would need him to cover bye weeks.  :why_so_serious:

I had a fun debate in my head between Cutler and Romo in another league.  Went with Romo and I doubt I'll look back.

If that was a pun, well done. If unintentional slip, then still lol.

Very happy with my team. Pretty sure that means I'm doomed. 

Forgot about the draft, never even set any rankings. It went about as well as expected.

I put Maclin on my trading block.  Looking for a WR/TE/RB of equal value.

I understand it might be a bit early since we just drafted. I took him 5th (58th).  I admit that was probably a round or two early.

FYI, I could still use a few more bodies for my Yahoo league.

When is the draft? I might be interested.

Tuesday night.  It's awkward, but it's when everyone in the initial group could draft.

I can probably make that work. I'll be alone with my daughter, but TVs were designed to be a babysitter right?

Might as well just drop the link publicly.  Join here: https://yho.com/nfl?l=1089873&k=7e48a97f893eb49c

I've sent this to my wife and she has expressed some interest, but she is under a lot of pressure at her company so we shall see if she signs up.

We will both have another draft starting at 9pm that night but I figure after two hours I'll either have a solid foundation or preemptively lost the season.  Besides, last year I drafted both Aaron Hernandez and Michael Turner, and managed to not come in last.  This year should be better on all fronts.

Last year, I had Ray Rice and David Wilson.  It was not a good year.

E: Yeg, I think your wife wins if she plays.  She's totally playing it cool right now, isn't she?

We need one more person to get up to ten for tomorrow.  Any last minute takers?

Was about to jump in and checked the draft time...I am still in the office then  :heartbreak:

Ah, sorry.  It's the only time I really had all week.

I'm gonna draft FROM the office!  (Should go really well.  Not.)

Here's the fantasypros.com Expert Consensus Ranking (ECR) analysis of the main F13 draft:

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Erm, can someone do that for the JV draft?

I like those rankings!

About to do a NFL draft and have no idea at all what to do, any tips appreciated!

Any idea what draft position you have? That will make a big difference for your early strategy.

Filthy fucking lies!

I assume I'm 6th of 6.

The key to having a good fantasy draft is to specifically avoid doing exactly what everyone else does.  The best way I can explain this is that all the experts list the Running Backs as the top fantasy selections (and technically that might be true), but when everyone else uses the same strategy and goes after the RB position first...they fuck themselves.  And then you swoop in and take the best WR and/or the best QB early in the draft with your 6th pick.  They end up with two great RBs, one of which who will guaranteed sprain his vagina at some point in the year.  The other may end up having a shit year.  That's the thing about drafting RBs.  They may end up being fantasy gold, but figuring out WHICH ONE will be gold is almost impossible.

Put it another way.  Jamaal Charles is rated as a better fantasy pick than Peyton Manning on pretty much every board ever.  I would still take Manning first.  He is as close to a sure thing as there is.  Better to have Manning and (for example) someone like Doug Martin as your RB, then have to end up with Jamaal Charles and Joe Flacco.  Because Manning will tear shit up, and Martin might.  Jamaal might tear shit up, and Flacco won't.

Also, being one of the last picks is not at all a bad thing.  You can almost guarantee yourself a top QB (while everyone else drafts RBs), and then you get a top WR with your next pick.  No reason to take an RB with your second pick, IMO, because now everyone else on your board is scrambling to land a QB or WR, so you will still have options for RB by the time your third pick comes around...the same dude you would have picked with your second pick might still be on the board 10 picks later.


Edit:  I probably made this sound too much like a sure-fire way to succeed, which is never the case with this stuff.  Just try to pick up a few guys that are generally very stable high point earners.  Beyond that, it is about making some guesses and taking a few risks.  I always try to take some risky players with hopes that one or two of them really pay off. 

Thanks for the advice. Didn't matter in the end as I was busy at work and got an auto picked side.

Last year, I drafted RBs with my first four picks and two of them were Ray Rice and David Wilson.  The year was a total bust.  This year, in one league I punted on RBs and my top two guys are now Trent Richardson and Chris Johnson.  Huge roll of the dice with both of them.  The strategy that's always worked best for me is to take the best available guy and maintain a balanced roster.

But then, what did you get for your first couple of guys?

This isn't really a fair comparison though, since Joe Flacco is a far worse consensus pick relative to PFM than Doug Martin is to Jamaal Charles

e.g. Typical consensus pick values for your four players are:

Jamaal Charles ~2
Peyton Manning ~9
Doug Martin ~25
Joe Flacco ~166

The reason everyone dogpiles on the top 6 or so RBs is that there is a significant drop-off in production past that point (or thereabouts). You can say the same about Peyton Manning as Jimmy Graham or Megatron. All these players are so far ahead of others at their position. The difference is that past the elite players the drop-off in production varies a lot between position. Having a QB like Matt Ryan (~69) as your #1 is not going to be substantially better or worse in terms of points than Tom Brady or Nick Foles, your QB is always going to put up the most points on your team. By the end of the season, bar injuries and such, each of these QBs is likely to be within 20 points of each other. Conversely, the difference between having someone like Marshawn Lynch and Doug Martin could be 30-50 points.

It's all about value. You shouldn't blindly draft RBs top, since players like Jimmy Graham,  PFM, Megatron, Demaryius Thomas, and Drew Brees are exponentially better than the next best player (fantasy-wise), but you shouldn't overlook the fact that the fantasy production of RBs is heavily concentrated at the top, whereas it is more spread for other positions.

The bottom line on draft day is that you really only get 2 chances to grab a top 5ish player at any position.  You do not want to screw up those chances by mindlessly committing to a particular roster position.  If the field is grabbing RBs, then you can go QB/WR.  If the field is grabbing WRs, then go QB/RB.  

In the f13 league, I was late in the draft (10/12) , but the field before me had taken RBs, WRs and QBs so I went for a good core: Lynch and Rodgers. In my other league I was 9/10 and I went WR, WR because the only non RBs taken were Manning and Megatron and I did not want Rodgers in both leagues.  I took Bryant first when I could have had Brees but I thought Brees would be there 2 pick later when the snake turned back to me.  He wasn't, but Demaryius was so I went with another WR without concern.  I fucked up later but that is not relevant here.

Pretty sure my buddy and I just had the best auction draft ever:

12 Man PPR keeper (morris, demaryius, ellington):

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Currently dropping Big Ben for Gordon off the wire since its a keeper league.

And yet, year after year, people end up with Joe Flacco (or similiar) as their starting QB.  That is the whole point.  It was not supposed to be a fair comparison...the whole idea is to make sure you don't end up in that situation.

If you have multiple top 5 RBs/WRs, you can do just fine with Flacco or any other 3rd tier QB. Hoping I can make some noise with the Red Rifle myself this year.

I admit that I've only drafted thrice, but I've played a lot of other games and this seems to be true.  There are runs on positions as well, which got me in a little trouble since I was reacting instead of proacting.  I started off well in one league by grabbing Megatron right off (I was 2nd) but before I could seal up a RB the mob started grabbing QBs and I wanted Brees.  Oh well, I got Brady, but it threw off my plan.  The best pick is one that the rest of your league doesn't notice.

Rodgers underperformed by the same amount Lynch overperformed for me so I am still biting my nails this week.

I'm less worried about DoubleCheck against teams that are not Seattle.  But I'm thinking I should have grabbed Wilson.  Season's young, though.

I was sweating bullets in the main f13 league because Brady popped up with an injury. For him to appear on the Pats injury report with their history of hiding injuries just made me nervous as shit about starting him, and my backup is Russell Wilson. So I had to choose - do I start Wilson or Brady with the possibility that Brady gives me no points? So I started Wilson.

23 points later and I'm happy with that decision. Not quite so happy with the decision to start Rodgers over Rivers - Rodgers really shit the bed fantasy wise, and even though Rivers is playing Arizona (a good D), he'll likely do better than Rodgers did. Also, /sadf at Lacy going down with a concussion. I drafted him in both leagues.

You know Brady is on the Pat's injury list ever single week, right? They've been doing that for years now.  Did they go with shoulder or knee this time?

Calf injury. Fuck it, Wilson got me 23 points, which was about 5 more than I was expecting.

I think Wilson is going to have a big year. If Harvin stays healthy, he is going to bust 3 or 4 of those 5 yard swing passes for 70 yard TDs.

I can't take a Patriots health report seriously.

Ellington is the one you should be worried about.

I demand three style points for Antonio Brown's karate kick to the face.

Not worth a hair over 2.5 points  :grin:

I love it.

Should reward 1-5 points if the player shows up in an top 10 plays of the week or something.

Is the main f13 league still "add players the second you want" or did we switch it to waiver wire Wednesdays?

Jesus Christ my team shit the bed this week.  Started off with a really good first half in the early games, and it looked like I was rolling towards 120 or 130 points.  And then things just stopped.

And now that the NFL has seen fit to actually, you know, view the video of Ray Rice doing his lady punching thing, I can officially drop him.

Ray Rice is what is wrong with the NFL.

In other news, I won in one league and lost in the other.  Of course, the one I lost in is the one with the $100 fee.

I went 2-1 this week, and I only lost because I got tag-teamed by Stafford and Megatron.  Who knew, right?

Pretty much everyone knew the Giants were awful. God the NFC East is a joke this year.

I knew the Giants were awful, but JEEZ-LOUISE.  So I can't fault anyone.

Trade sent to Muffinman in main league. I need a TE.

The funny thing is that I once again have Martellus Bennett this year, in both leagues.

I don't know, with Welker still suspended it's really hard to think about giving up Thomas.

Figured Ball might be sweet enough.

No worries. Thanks for getting back.

My team is such a shitshow. It actually makes me dry heave.

Which of the following players do you have: Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, A J Green, Knowshon Moreno, RG III, DeSean Jackson, Ryan Matthews or someone I'm forgetting?

I know I have Matthews in the JV league, but I haven't started him yet due to unfavorable matchups. And there he goes onto the waiver wire!

Mark Ingram just broke his hand.

I know I'm being an asshole for doing this, but I'm not trying anymore.  Missing both drafts and getting absolutely horrid teams kind of killed my will to play and take it seriously.  Enjoy your free win everyone.  I'll at least try to make sure my entire team actually plays.

lol Rasix, which team was you in the main league so we know what to expect? And/Or Trades.

QB: RGIII
WR: A. Green, E. Decker
RB: J. Charles, R. Mathews
Flex: K. Moreno

That looks like a pretty good fantasy team, but I'd hate to be that one person out there who has it today.

Also, Ben Tate.

I have Green, Charles and Matthews on one team.  And I benched Cutler for Roethlisberger because I don't know.

Still love to trade Julius off ya.

As Commissioner I will also try and make sure that no roster spot is left empty to the extent I can do so with the team available.  If you have a BYE on e player and a sub on your bench, I will make the change.

I will never drop or add players from anyone ever.

I'm with MrHat in this, try throwing some trades around (both Muffin and Rasix). It's still early in the season and I know at least with Muffin I'd be interested in Bryant, Green slightly less, and J Thomas. With Rasix (I think you're Team Guybrush there) I'd be somewhat interested in James Jones and you have 2x good TEs that can get you something.

Dunno who Rasix is in JV league though

Traded Thomas. I had Danny Woodhead in my flex spot, I had to do something.

I hate to be the guy who bitches about getting unlucky matchups, so I'll instead be the guy who bitches about Jamaal Charles destroying my life with malice aforethought.

I got really lucky with my depth. Also, surviving the Horrible September.

I've got Knile up if you want to trade.

I have an interesting week coming up.  In f13, my Rodgers is against Brady. In my other league, my Brady is against Rodgers.

Red Rifle with a TD catch. This bodes ill for you, Rasix.

Half my fucking team was out in my other league. Ugh.

Oh and my choice in QB's was Alex Smith or Peyton against the Seattle D. Neither was good.

This may have been my shittiest fantasy week in history. I got utterly curbstomped.

I am fucking done with Baltimore players for this year.

Torrey Smith is killing me, but I had no stock in their running backs this year and everyone else's pain is amusing to me.  Antonio Brown owning the Panthers saved my week in one league, too.  Go Steelers!

Finally in the win column. My ugly-ass QB looks like Tom Brady to me today after that 42-point showing.

That was a pound me in the ass game by Luck. Yeesh.

I don't feel sorry for you.  I got taken to the woodshed by Kirk Cousins and Rashad Jennings of all people, that just ain't right. 

Aaron Rodgers vs Chicago, or Rivers vs Jax?  Rodgers has been held down in points, but he is Aaron Rodgers.  Alternately, Rivers is facing Jacksonville.

Oh man.  That is a hard one.

I'd go with Rodgers.  GB has to have a statement game this week.

SD can play it soft this week and just run 45+ times with one guy.

I would totally go with Rivers in that scenario, because it is almost a guarantee they are going to put up 30 points, and you gotta figure he will have a part in that.  With Rodgers?  They way GB has played so far this year?  No idea what to expect.  He might get you 35 points, or he might get you 10.  Seems too risky.

No question whatsoever, go with Rivers. Rodgers and the Pack have been terrible this year. Rivers, meanwhile has beaten the Seahaws and no matter how bad the Bears are, they aren't Jacksonville. I'm facing the exact same choice in the JV league.

Also, Grover City Crows put 151 points up this past weekend. They could have beat my shit team with a little more than half that. Green Bay & Tom Brady sucking wind has killed my fantasy teams this year.

Oooohhh, God damn Tom Brady.

Rivers.  For the reasons stated.

Ugh. I was dreading week 4, and it is here. SO. MANY. BYES. With all my injuries, byes, and shit performances I now have Teddy Bridgewater as my starting QB. You're welcome, MuffinMan!

OK, that QB situation is decided.  I'm starting Rivers.  Hopefully he can manage a passing game.

Now, for the second: Tom Brady or Alex Smith?  Tom Brady is not exactly shitting the bed, but he's disappointing me as a QB1.  Currently, Smith has more points in the relevant league.  He also has one more TD and four INT (yikes).  Probably stick with Brady and hope he gets his act together.  Mostly because the KC defense is also disappointing me.

Wait, did I just give you advice for my league?  Dammit!

Please note that Yegolev has at least 35 points more than the next closest team in this league.

Every week Rodgers delivers shit increases the odds that the next week will equal GINORMOUS points.

I understand that there is no rational reason to believe this but they don;t call it Reality Football do they?

I don't see this as a reason to stop trying to win. :why_so_serious:  Are we playing for money in your league?  I'm not winning at all in the other league, to which I've donated a Franklin.

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WOOOOOO!!! GON' GET SOME COLD CUTS!!!

Love that commercial.

Best thing from Geico ever.

Nope, didn't want to ask people to put up cash in a league where we pulled in a few randoms.  Especially with that one guy crying about how the defenses are being scored, when all I did was use Yahoo's standard settings.

Couple more trade offers out!

Just trying to improve everyone's rosters in the main league while failing end of FY in real life.

Edit:
I love trading so much that I want to make sure that I PM the right F13 handle based on teams, here's what I have so far in the Main F13 League:

Los Sombreritos (MrHat)
Shiznitz (Shiznitz)
Haughty Dipshit (WayAbvPar)
Ex-Presidents (Ruvaldt)
Roosters (ElGallo)
Attack Monkies (Paelos)
The Invalids (MuffinMan)
Kilt Wavers (Haemish)
Team Guybrush (Rasix)
Ginger Gorillas (Way's RL Friend?)
DrunksonGrass (Zetleft?)
Russel Wilson's War (?)

Still trading Maclin?

In a ten-team league, folks have dropped Delanie Walker and Jordan Cameron this week.  I have Ertz and Kelce, think I should make a move?

Ben Tate, Moreno and Ingram are also available for stashing.  Hmm.

That's been my name for like the last 3 times.  :awesome_for_real:

I hate my team.  So, so much.

You could probably move a TE to a team with a surplus of start able RBs (those roosters).

Grab Cameron for Kelce, trade him or Ertz for someone's RB2, then pick Kelce back up?  Hah.

No.  But Larry F and Owen Daniels are for sale.

Some of us may have been a bit off on that Rivers over Rodgers suggestion.

Perhaps not as off as you thought.

Not that far off - you couldn't have gone wrong with either pick. In the league where I have both, Rodgers only gave 4 more points than Rivers and both were over 30. Holy shit, the Bears defense is BAD.

A 1.8 difference in Rodgers and Rivers is not why I'm losing this week.  I guess I'll start Rodgers next week.

I had the same internal Rivers/Rodgers debate last year and benched Rodgers a few times before he got hurt.  I don't envy you that, especially with how they're playing this year.  Or maybe I DO envy that.

LeSean McCoy is killing me.

Draft grade D+.  Record so far: 3-1.  The draft grading system is a nice gimmick but it predicted I would go 2-11 this year.  The flaw is that it assumes that no one makes any changes and every player exactly meets projections.

I benched 4 of my highest draft picks this week due to byes/injury concerns/poor performance and swapped out my drafted TE (Pitta) for a free agent and hit the jackpot with Donnell (99% luck, admittedly).  I think every fantasy football expert in the world missed the call on Steve Smith Sr.  Drunks grabbed him AFTER the draft.  He is the fucking #4 WR so far.

Drafting is important but it really matters what you do during the season and week to week. 

Yah, I just can't get motivated to do this anymore.  So, my teams are going further into the shitter.  I didn't even manage to field a starting defense since mine was on a bye.  :facepalm:

To be fair, who the fuck knew Steve Smith would do so well with Flacco throwing to him on a team with a running game made of chewing gum and chicken wire? I'm betting Carolina is regretting the decision to let him go instead of paying him to retire as a Panther. I know Cam Newton is regretting that shit. The NFC South is shit this year, apparently.

The NFL is just no longer very predictable at all. About the only thing you can predict is there will be a lot of shitty penalties on the defense that will give undeserving teams the upper hand.

Steve Smith wouldn't be half as effective if he was still in Carolina. Because there's one thing Carolina brass don't seem willing to admit yet...

Cam Newton isn't the answer. He's a selfish, pouty, non-factor at one of the biggest leadership positions on the field. He isn't in the top 10 in Y/A so far, and has three passing TDs. That's exactly the same amount of passing TD's as he backup, who actually has a winning record right now. Cam's 1-2 now in games, 15th in yards per game, and 10th in QB Rating.

This guy was the first overall pick in the draft. Meanwhile, a guy like Andrew Luck is absolutely melting Cam's face off in terms of overall #1 pick performance. Why? Because Andrew Luck is a pure QB, not a just a freak athlete who dominated one year in college.

I have 36 points. Is this some kind of record?

The other issue with SS and Carolina is that they had no one to take the heat off him.  At least the Ravens have a reputable running game and a few capable receivers to draw protection from Smith.

I expect Smith has peaked as defenses will adjust to him, but he could be the kind of roster pick up that makes a season.

Thing about Steve Smith and Carolina though is... who have they got now to replace him? Hell, who have they gotten in the many years since Muhammed broke down that has been able to take the heat off of him? I'm of the opinion that if you can't replace a guy like that with someone that is at least as good (or has the potential to be), then you keep him around unless you are ready to do a complete tear down and rebuild. Which they clearly weren't because they started that when they drafted Cam.

The freak athlete running QB's are all starting to show the limits of their college skillset (Kap, Newton, RGIII). The difference between them and what Russell Wilson does is that Wilson is a pocket passer first, who can run your ass off if you let him. He's turning out to be a lot more Aaron Rodgers (who can also run when you give him the chance but it isn't the main feature of his game) than Michael Vick, which is a good thing.

There's always QB options in a draft. You just have to be willing to wait for the right moment, and for a guy who has "questions" usually over stupid shit to fall into the late first or second round.

Teddy Bridgewater is a great recent example. Also known as a sort of mobile guy, but not really since he's moving to pass. Not to run.

The backlash against running QBs has started, and Carolina backed the wrong horse. Now they have to fix it or languish in "just okay" while getting no good draft picks or getting bounced in the playoffs.

Agree with the above.

I also read today that Steve Smith was ousted because he was causing drama in the locker room about Cam being god awful.

That amuses me since it would fit with the Carolina issue of not admitting there is a problem with that team. Instead, just get rid of the guy speaking the truth.  :why_so_serious:

I am actually considering starting Romo over Brees.  Brees has under-achieved in every game so far this year.  Even his home games have sucked.

That's dumb and I'll tell you why. Dallas is facing Houston, so they will likely run like crazy since Houston is struggling with the run right now.

NOLA is facing Tampa going on the road, probably the worst defense in the league short of the Jags.

Well of course it's dumb!  It isn't like I will actually do it, unless a specific match-up forces my hand.  It was more a commentary on how unhappy I am with the constant underachievement of my team.  4 weeks, haven't met projections once.

Brady is OUT. :awesome_for_real:

Yeah, the only reason I started him this week was because Russell Wilson was on a bye. Not this week. Brady can ride the pine.

Brady killed me in my other league. I lost by 0.03.  That last INT did me in.

You lucked out. I was this close to Smith pulling a miracle.  :awesome_for_real:

Welcome to my whoopin' room, motherbitches  :grin:

Someone talk me out of starting Asiata over Lacy in my PPR local league.

Stupid Thursday night games.

Two words: Jerick McKinnon.  He will cut into Asiata's productivity.   Then again, I don't think I'd want Lacy either. 

If you are playing me this week, I say go for it.

Minnesota's defense is pretty shitty and so is the Packers. So I'm not sure you can go wrong on either count.

I was really pleased that I was able to grab Prater in all of my leagues this week...

Looks like my reign may be over, Phildo, but we will see how you do this week.

We'll see, I have a massive Tight End issue after I went all-in on Niles Paul and he got concussed to complete the set with Jordan Reed on my bench.

In another league I'm in, people keep dropping marquis players.  I picked up Julius Thomas, Jordan Cameron and Zac Stacy last week, and this week I have claims in currently for Jeremy Maclin and Alshon Jeffrey.  Crabtree is there for the taking as well.  It's amazing.

E: Actually, it's appalling.  I'm 1-3 in that league.

Good luck today, Yegolev.

Here's a tough question: Who would you use in a W/R flex spot:  Ahmad Bradshaw or Wes Welker?

Bradshaw if he's playing, personally.  Walker is fragile and is their 4th option right now.

I didn't see this until after the noon games started.  I went with Welker.  Let's see if I regret it.

FWIW, I chose Welker because while AZ has good corners, they are weak in the middle of the field where Welker shines. 

Pretty sure I responded too late, anyway.  Bradshaw didn't do much, so you might be fine.

Ended up a push.  Looks like it really didn't matter.

Yegolev is beating me by 50 points, but I've still got Mike Nugent in my pocket.  I'm confident I've got this one.

I barely beat Rasix's team he gave up on.

Which was in doubt for a while. If I'd lost I might have just quit too.

I'm pretty sure I'm losing big this week.  Unless Gronk and Morris have career days. 

The first person to lose to to me should get a grief title.  Fuck this stupid team.

No thanks to Megatron -- wrong league but it bears mention.  All thanks to Demarius and Brian Quick, with some Gostkowski on the end.  I dropped Brady in the other league, freeing him up to actually score two TDs this week.  YOU'RE WELCOME PATS.

Giving up on KC defense as well, at least in the Phildo League.

Not one of my skill players had a TD this week in that league.  Well, Matt Ryan threw one to pair with his interception.  The Patriots defense missed being my highest-scoring position by less than 2 points.

Anybody want Marques Colston in the main f13 league? He's been an utter dud this year.

Offer sent but don't expect much since Colston goes on bye for week 6.

Hey, it works for me. Trade accepted. Neither one has been lighting the world on fire, but I'm more confident in Fitzgerald even with *Unknown QB off the Street* than Colston right now.

And I am thinking that anyone with Brees is better than an aging Larry F with no name QB!  That is what makes a market.

I'm playing against a guy with Percy Harvin and laughing.  How many TD's has he had taken away due to penalties tonight?

Guy I'm playing in the other league just needed 6 points from Percy to win. Just six.

He got 4.50,  :why_so_serious:

 :heartbreak:

He never did get his 4th touchdown... I'm sure that one would have held up :p

With 5 weeks down, time for a review.

QB: Luck leads the position and was drafted in Round 6 by Roosters. Peyton is 4th and Rodgers is 6th. Rivers at #2 is the big surprise so far, Drunks grabbed him in Round 9!  Many fantasy pros liked Matt Ryan (Round 5) this year. I thought they were nuts. I am wrong so far.

WR: Once again, Roosters proved adept at the draft by grabbing the #1 WR through 5 weeks, Antonio Brown, early in Round 3.  My stretch for Maclin in Round 5 has panned out so far.  The draft grader hated that pick.  Injuries have plagued Megatron and AJ this year. Two Green Bay WRs are in the top 4!  Edelman has not lived up to the early hype due to Brady's problems.  Kelvin Benjamin is less than a point from being in the top 10 as a rookie.  The Panthers picked a good one and so did Attack Monkies (11th round). We have discusses Steve Smith already so I won't go back there.

RB: Ginger Gorillas grabbed DeMarco Murray in Round 2 and he has blown the field away so far (although some of his peers have had a bye week already).  His fragility has not emerged yet and who thought the Cowboys would run so much? Not me.  The bigger story, though, is the stink coming from LeSean and Jamaal. Those early draft pick disappointments have been hard for their owners to overcome. However, both picked RBs in round 2 as well and those picks, Bell and Foster, have produced like 1st rounders.  Two old dogs, Bradshaw (#7) and Fred Jackson (#11) just won't quit the NFL.  Bradshaw saved me a few times and he went undrafted.  Drunks' Round 12 pick of Sproles looked like genius through 3 weeks but the Eagles are having trouble running now.

TE: Jimmy Graham has not lived up to the Round 1 hype.  His 58 points would make him the #8 WR this year so far. Thomas (Round 4) is the #1 TE so far, but he is only 12pts ahead of #10 while the #1 to #10 spread among WRs is almost 30pts.  Drafting TEs in the early rounds is a risky bet that apparently even the fantasy pros fall for every 10 years or so.  The hype on Graham was monstrous this year.  I like that Antonio Gates has seen a revival (#4) after going undrafted.  I was an ass in hindfight for leaving him on the board in favor of Pitta.

DEF: This year is a great example of why you don't waste a mid-round pick on Defense.  Two teams (probably autodrafters) took DEF in Round 7 and the better pick of those two, SF, is #15 so far.  Attack Monkies grabbed HOU in the 8th and has gotten solid top ten TE type points from them.  Nonthing I saw anywhere in the fantasy pro world suggested Philly and Buffalo would be at the top of this list. 

Like the recap. I'm just happy to be 2-3 right now after my WR performances. Ugh.

The WR pool is hellaciously shallow this year. You either get one of the top five or six, or you are sucking hind tit hoping for a TD on one of your guys. Trying to waiver wire a WR is a fruitless endeavor - it's pure luck to get a good one who will likely have 2 weeks at most of breakout numbers and 14 weeks of suck. RB's to me seem to be on a bit of an upsurge but again - if you didn't get the right ones, you are fucked. Even the sure things haven't been.

Hypothetically speaking, would anyone here choose Ronnie Hillman over Chris Johnson going forward?  I could also potentially drop Trent Richardson, and I'm already dumping Taliaferro for a tight end to cover a bye week.  My ace RB in this league is Chris Ivory and I've got James Starks as my longshot.

I hate my team in this league, and yet I'm 4-1.

If Chris Johnson is someone you are counting on, you're fucked.  :why_so_serious: Taliaferro is a dud - Forsett is getting most of those carries.

Yeah, I thought Chris Johnson might do something since his QB is dogshit, but Chris Ivory is stealing his job. He got paid and then immediately got lazy. Chone Figgins-esque.

To be fair, Chris Johnson was lazy on the Titans last year too, so the Jets shouldn't be in the least bit surprised he's riding a lawn chair this season. Their GM is utter shit.

Taliaferro put up fantasy numbers two games in a row before he fell off, so considering my situation before that he was a decent pickup.  Anyway, I'm going to cut Johnson loose unless someone convinces me not to in the next 12 hours or so.

I don't think Hillman has any long term value in that platoon.  Juwan Thompson looks to be the sleeper pick there.

Is Andre Williams available?  He's worth a flier too.

Nah, Williams was drafted.  It's a very deep 14-team league.  The following RBs are available with over 2% ownership rates: Robert Turbin, Danny Woodhead, Ray Rice and Terrance West.  The only other conceivable pickup this week would be Brandon Oliver, but who knows where he stands in two weeks either.

Grab Oliver.  He's like a stronger version of Sproles.

Yeah, even when Mathews comes back Oliver is a good bet to take on the Woodhead 3rd down back role.  Woodhead, by the way, is out for the year if I remember correctly.

Yes, Woodhead is hosed. Terrence West is also not going to get you shit.

So the current order is Oliver for Johnson, and Hillman for Johnson in case someone else wants Oliver more.  Dropping Taliafero for a TE that I can then flip back into some RB the following week, and swapping kickers because I'm fickle like that.

My wife told me yesterday YOU BETTER NOT GRAB OLIVER so I figured he was worth a look... but I forgot to go for him. :why_so_serious:

Haha, I spread my risk out.  Grabbed Oliver in one league, Hillman in another and Williams in the 3rd.  I will probably regret Hillman the most.

Ya. Broncos will probably roll with whoever they feel like between Hillman+CJ+Thomas then when Ball gets back he'll likely only get 50% of the snaps.

Good for the team, bad for fantasy.

Or I could be stunningly wrong.

I think Thomas will be their feature back by the end of the season... but still part of a 3 headed platoon.  None of them will ever be fantasy gold.  Just a flex spot option in a deep league.

New fantasy decision question: Wes Welker or Steve Smith Sr. for my flex spot?  I also have Cordarralle Patterson, but have lost all faith in the Minnesota offense. 

I'm looking to trade for a good TE starter if people are interested in a WR. Welker, Benjamin, and Sanu are on the table. Julio Jones is possibly on the table for a top 5 TE option.

I assume that is main league, in which case I am a sad panda because I have Delanie Walker that I am not using.  I think he must be close to top five, but I haven't checked.

Yeah in the main league.

He is in that Awesome Value TD Tier 2, just below the Ultra Reliable Tier 1 of Julius/Gronk/Graham.

I think TEs look like this Rest of Season (in order PPR):

Tier 1 (no brainer starts, you drafted them high for reliability)
Julius
Gronk
Graham

Tier 2 (each has a very high floor and can post no.1 TE numbers each week based on TD)
Olsen
Martellus
Delanie

Tier 3 (mini Gronk pick up)
Kelce

Tier 4 (who the eff knows if they catch a TD, but its very likely)
Gates
Cameron (Q)
Reed (Q)
Vernon (Q)
Donnell
Allen
Ertz

Tier 5 (high floor crew 3-4 catches 30-50 yards)
Heath
Witten
Daniels
Cook

Tier 6 (upside specials)
Wright
Green
Paul
Toilolo
Ebron
Sefarian-Jenkins

Basically, T1-5 is every week starter (T1-2 are so great they are legit flex plays over most RBs/WRs depending on the league). Kelce I think is super great and has a chance to be the fourth TE drafted off the board next year.  T4 will win you a match up but its flukey.  T5 won't lose you a match up.  T6 is stash and hope for second half of season performance (Wright or SJ) or injuries to WRs/TEs on the team (Green, Paul, Toilolo, Ebron can all become 3rd down/TD targets if the main RBs/WRs/TEs go down).

Been spending a lot of time looking at TEs these last few weeks since Rudolph went down.  He was my TE in basically all my leagues.  In my money league ($2k pot), I've got amazing players everywhere but TE, so I've been trying to figure out proper trade value for each of those guys.  Currently I'm trying to trade Ball straight up for Kelce, as their values are intersecting about now (bye week).


Edit: Forgot Ertz, added to T4 due to PHI implosion.

That's a good problem to have, both have great matchups this week.  I'm currently rolling smith over Sanders in one league, but I'm waffling over it heavily.

I actually dropped Patterson for Smith since some dummy let him go last week.

You forgot Zach Ertz in your TE pool. He's actually been giving me steady numbers each week.

I want to say be careful with Smith as no matter what he is old and it's a lot of running around to do for the whole season.  But: (https://bearsfantasyfix.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/steve-smith-nfl-preseason-washington-redskins-baltimore-ravens-850x560.jpg?w=300&h=197)

While both match-ups are good, Welker just has too much competition for looks. Flacco always looks for Smith first these days.  Smith has 49 looks to Welker's 18.  I just don't see any reason to expect that differential to reverse.

While I agree with your fundamental premise, remember that Welker has played 2 games and Smith has played 5.  I'm only considering Welker for 2 reasons.  1) the Jets are weak in the middle against the pass and 2) Welker needs the ball to stay productive.  Manning learned this last year.  I'm guessing that it's pretty likely that Welker may see more red zone balls this week.  I'm just not sure I want to bet on it.

Yeah, and Sanders is emerging to be the real deal and no reason to think Peyton will stop throwing to him.  He even tore up the Seattle secondary.  Naturally, I sat him that week.

Also, in JV league, I have both Delanie Walker and Gronk.  Will consider trades, but I will be blunt here:  I would only trade either of them for a top level RB, and more likely it would be for Walker.  I also have an abundance of WRs still...I think Malcolm Floyd and Mike Wallace are more or less permanent bench warmers, at least until Percy Harvin sprains his vag.

Just out of curiosity who do you consider a top RB?

Well for starters, anyone who isn't DOUG FUCKING MARTIN.  Or like Pierre Thomas, who somehow senses he's been put on my bench, and THEN proceeds to go nuts.

Basically, I don't know, beyond the obvious ones.

Seriously, though, fuck you Doug Martin.

I wish this f13league was a keeper auction league with the number of team owners who play every year.

I'm game! (Luck! Luck! Luck!)

Seriously. He's a monster.

Yeah a monster that lives under someone's bed.

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We can try a keeper league next year for a few years.  Nothing wrong with spicing things up.  I will poll the group as the time comes.  I would be interested just because I have never done one before.

I would be interested in completely failing at a keeper league.

Keeper leagues only ever work when you have a group of managers that have the same level of interest invested.  I don't think it would go well with the f13 crowd.  Most of the people here take a very casual approach to fantasy sports.

I hate keeper leagues. They are always the idea of a like 4 people in the league who are super invested, and it fucks everyone else.

Well, I am certainly not going to insist.  The point about needing all the participants to have equal interest is a good reason not to do it here at F13.

I just don't like the idea that in a keeper league you're perpetually fucked if things start to go wrong.

Feel like its the opposite. If things start going down hill you can trade for keeper value for next year. Makes it so everyone pays attention. And you can structure auction $$ bonuses to keep people interested in winning near the end of the year.

But ya. You need people that are jazzed about it. Its why a large buy in usually works.

That's the theory is you trade if things go wrong. The actuality of that isn't really what I've seen happen. In my experience the best players get locked up for eternity, and nobody really has a chance because their keepers are untradable.

But yeah, you need to have a commitment and it needs to be cash.

Reminds me.  We'll need a new commissioner for the JV league after the season.  Let me know if you're interested.

Fucking Flacco.

Holy shit are the Bucs bad.

No worries, I am sure this will spark Doug Martin out of his slump.  Maybe he'll even run for an additional five yards in the second half, wouldn't that be neat.

Shiz - you chose....poorly.

I got fucked over by Reggie Bush getting declared out at the last minute. So that sucked.

Good news is you drop the deadweight of Fleener and Rudolph and snag a couple guys off the wire that could help second half of season like:

RB
Ronnie Hillman (the dude for next couple weeks)
Mark Ingram (the dude in a couple weeks)
Isaiah Crowell (the dude when Tate goes down)
Bishop Sankey (TEN has got to just give it to him for the rest of the season, right?)

WR
Malcolm Floyd (quietly scoring 7-15 pts every game and Royal just went down)
Andre Holmes (biggest Redzone receiver on baby Carr's OAK)
Odell Beckham, Jr. (Cruz is out and ODB is taking his role) (Nevermind, I wants him!).

Good points. Took Crowell and Floyd.

Russell Wilson's War has the kiss of death this year:

Knowshon Out for Season
Victor Cruz Out for Season
Ridley Out for Season
Graham Injured

Currently dropping all the players he has in all my other leagues, that's crazy town.

Yeah, had all but Graham in another league of mine too so the injuries hit me twice. This was an awful week.

Dumped Knowshown in the league I'm doing well in. Ugh.

Fitz got his first TD and 98 yds so yes I fail, but I would not have played him anyway. Neither did Kilt Wavers, but he still won. On the other hand, Jimmy Graham is out some Colston's stock is up a bit.

Ya, noticed that.

A bit worried about our matchup.  I feel I have a lot of obvious starters that are going to underperform as teams game plan for them (Julio, Walker and Forte) and you have a lot of guys due for TDs in bouncebacks (Lynch, Donnell, Bradshaw).

You think like I do. I am a big fan of the "bounceback" theory of fantasy.

According to Yahoo, there's a 4% chance that Antonio Brown and Arian Foster will combine for a net negative 6 points in the final 3 quarters of this terrible game. 

Holy shit, my goddamn kicker won me the game in the JV league.  :ye_gods:

You still lost to me in the main league.  Enjoy being my only victory, ya shitter.  :awesome_for_real:

Title change for Haemish!

Yeah, if I'd played Russell Wilson instead of Brady, I'd have won. I'm not even sure what to do at QB anymore - Brady's 31 points didn't net me a victory but I can't say I was wrong to pick him over Wilson based on that game against the Cowboys.

My one regret of this season is rage-punting Brady off my team.  Fortunately, when I faced him this week I was able to wafflestomp my opponent and avoid any irony.

Anyone want Montee Ball in the main league?

He's taking up an unnecessary spot for me that I have...other designs for but feel bad dropping him to the wire.

Not sure who wants to sit on him though.

Dwayne Allen at Pittsburgh might hit it big, but Martellus Bennett vs NE is more of a sure thing.  Discuss.

Here's a thought exercise for you guys.  I'm in a ten-team league with deep benches where a couple of people keep dropping guys who are byes instead of benching them for a week.  So this is the lineup I have to choose from currently:

RBs: Jamaal Charles, Ben Tate, Jerick Mckinnon, Ronnie Hillman

WRs: AJ Green, Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffery, Emmanuel Sanders, Steve Smith and Kelvin Benjamin

I have Julius Thomas at TE and my QBs are Cutler and Foles.

Assuming two WRs, two RBs and a flex, who do you play?

RB: Charles and Hillman
WR: Sanders and Jeffrey
Flex: Either Marshall or AJ Green (if Green plays that is)

Curious about your reason for going with Hillman over Tate, and trusting the Bears in a terrible matchup after last week's dud over two Smith and Benjamin who have put up top-10 numbers so far.

Thats tough man.

You've got 3 interchangeable PPR RBs in Tate, McKinnon and Hillman.

And three interchangeable WR2/3s in Sanders, Smith and Benjamin.

Gotta go with matchups.

I'd probably go with Charles and Tate hoping for a CLE rebound back to what they do best.  At WR, Marshall and Sanders just to spread the team love around and hope Marshall shows up big @NE.  Sanders should get some touches tonight but he did get a TD last week and Peyton might try and focus on getting Julius his instead.  He's consistent at least.  Steve Smith is up and down now after playing his face off first half of season.  Benjamin plays SEA after SEA lost two in a row.

I'd try and roll with McKinnon or Hillman at flex.  Hard to put a Thur night guy at flex, but Hillman+Peyton is love and has been consistent.  TB is a dumpster fire but who knows what you get with MIN.

Hillman plays for Denver. Tate plays for Cleveland. That should be enough said.  :why_so_serious:

Steve Smith's matchup is TERRIBAD. Cincy needs a win hard and they have a good defense when they remember how to use it. In a divisional game, I'm not sure I can safely trust Smith against the Bengals D that needs a win hard.

Neither Marshal or Green are a great pick because of either injury concerns or lack of form. Alshon, however, has had about the same number of targets as Marshall and made more catches even though Marshall has more TD's. But you must remember Marshall got 3 TD's in one game so those TD numbers are skewed. Otherwise, he's been the worse option of the two. As for Kelvin Benjamin, I do not trust the Panthers at all especially against a Seattle D that needs a win.

My thinking had been more along the lines of MrHat.  Cleveland may be a terrible team, but they love to run the football.  Denver is much more likely to need to pass frequently to stay competitive, plus it's a Thursday night game.  I also get the feeling that since Seattle needs the win so badly, they're going to pile up points early and Benjamin could land a few nice catches in garbage time.

Smith was just based on scoring to date and the fact that he crushed the Bengals earlier this year.  I'm definitely staying away from Green for this week since he's still hurting.

My turn, PPR Flex question:

Oliver VS Broncos, Garcon @ Dallas, Vereen Vs. CHI.

Pick two.

I'm leaning towards Vereen vs. CHI and Garcon @ Dallas, but I think Oliver gets like 15-20 touches tonight and a few catches.

Garcon is going to be the 5 yard catch king on Sunday though.

I'm at a loss!

Guess really the question is Oliver tonight or Garcon on Sunday.

I would say Garcon and Vereen. I think Denver is going to MAUL SD tonight and that might limit Oliver's touches.

Ya, kinda settled on that too.

I love Oliver though, won me a few weeks in my money league.

Garcon is the no-brainer in my mind. I disagree about the mauling. I'd play Oliver.

I think the Denver game could be within a TD.

Sorry I missed this earlier.  I ended up playing Oliver in one league, too, and it's hurting me.  On the other hand, I took f13's advice and played Sanders in my silly league and he's likely to carry the week for me.  I've got Hillman playing in both and it's been a nice night for him, too.  Looks like Denver is Thursday-proof this year.

e: Nice of Oliver to get that big run at the end of the game.  I'll take it!

How you say... WONK WONK.
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Is that JV league?  Because if so, that is me and you can TOTALLY SUCK IT HAHAH!

I was excluded from the F13 leagues.

The important bit is how this is one of those Bizzaro World situations which will likely generate a L for me this week.

I had the same matchup in one of leagues. Not exactly thrilled  :oh_i_see:

Well, based on your participation in the forums this year and the likelihood of one of the f13 league vets dropping out next year, you can play with us next year! 

You can even run a league if you so wish.   :grin:

Ask me next year. :oh_i_see:

Left Big Ben on the bench this week. Glad I didn't need him.   :awesome_for_real:

Dear varsity league,
Welcome to my whoopin' room.
Love,
El Gallo

Seriously. I am the false king at 7-1. You are breaking 1000 PF already.

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If that's you I think you're playing me. Why you do this  :heartbreak:

Tom Brady no where near enough to carry me to victory, not with Lynch having a bad day and you having Gronk.

There were a shit ton of points put up this week. Grover City Crows put up 170  :ye_gods:

My team is Peyton Manning and the festering pile of garbage.

Yeah, in my other league I scored 103 points and lost by 75  :oh_i_see:

Fuck Gronk.

Laugh at me. I started Russell Wilson over Tom Brady.  :oh_i_see:

I actually dropped him in my other league, but also didn't need him. I broke 200pts (Brady+Gronk) and still have Dez Bryant to play.  It is a 2QB, 3WR, 2RB league so the points can be high but over 200 might be a first.

I have Luck and Peyton Manning in my 2 QB league with Foster and Bell at RB.  It's a good year. 

Hey man, I still have Dez Bryant going tonight, and I suppose there is some small chance that he could score negative 30 points.  You have an outside shot.

How did you draft these guys? I can't imagine Peyton+Luck making it past the first 12 picks.

Just curious.

Luck wasn't considered a top 3 QB pick before the season started.  I got him in the 4th round in my league, and that's a 14 team league.

Good question. My guess is Luck slipped into the 3rd round in an 8 team league.

edit: If it was a 14 team league, getting Manning and Foster is brilliant, let alone Luck.

Sorry, I mean my league is a 14 team league.  We only start one QB.  I shudder to think of a 14 team league with two starting QBs.

It's a competitive league, but only 10 teams.  The stars just aligned.  I picked 6th and the first 5 taken were RB's, so Manning went in round 1.  I took Luck on the way back in the snake.  Foster was grabbed in the 3rd round, Julius Thomas in the 4th, and Bell in the 5th.  The best part is that I also have Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Oliver that I grabbed week 1 from the waiver wire. 

Now I'm just waiting to be eliminated in the first round of the playoffs like happens every time I win the league in scoring.

Heh ya, that's a monster team.

I got lucky in my 2QB league by losing a bet to a friend, he made me take Julius in the first but that allowed me to dodge the stink of AP and have been lucky with it since then.

Just Foster+Bell+Luck+Peyton is so huge.

I like this. I like this a lot.

For some reason I thought NO played at home last night so I started Cooks.

Doh.

Week Nine means crazy tactics.  Benching Decker and starting Stevie Johnson.  Daddy needs a new pair of shoes!

Just about every fantasy move I made this weekend blew up in my face spectacularly. Tom Brady may save my bacon in the regular league, but only if a combination of T.Y. Hilton and Ruben Randle get me a total of 10 points or more. That's a possibility. The JV league though? SO FUCKED. Choosing to bench Edelman because he's been fucking useless the last few weeks killed me. PHILLIP FUCKING RIVERS - FUCK YOU. -2 points, 3 INT's and shut out. That's just putrid. Had I started Edelman and Boldin, I'd be winning even with Rivers. As it is, I'll lose to the last place 1-7 team with a paltry 46 points unless Dwayne Allen goes sickhouse tonight.

My entire team in one league was on bye (thank you autodraft).  I could not make enough roster moves to make it workable.

On the bright side, you only have to put up with one week of bullshit.  I wonder if it might be a potential advantage in the long run.

I am pretty fucked.  Across two leagues, I have 3 Giants and 1 Colts player left and I need 25+ pts in both match ups.

If your Colt is Andrew Luck, you're fine.

"I wish I had played Ryan Tannehill" is a phrase I never thought I would utter, but here we are.

Nope or I would agree with you.

Hey, I picked up Phillip Rivers in the draft because this was Rodgers' bye week. Fuck me.

LOL I know, right?

At this point, how do we feel about Davante Adams over Colston?  I'm pretty sick of Colston.  I want my Boldin back.

E: This is for a competitive 14-team league.  Jordan Matthews, Stevie Johnson and Devin Hester (return yards!) are also available.  Colston and Andrew Hawkins are my expendable WRs.  I'm feeling incredibly indecisive about this.

My team looked so good on paper at the beginning of the season. Injuries have absolutely obliterated my roster in the main league.

I traded away Colston because I don't think he can be reliably counted on to make enough points every week. Adams is going to get some targets, as he's been showing up pretty good lately. He's no less reliable a points-getter than any of the other ones you mentioned. They are all pretty much feast or famine.

Yeah, I'm pretty perfectly indifferent to all of them at this point.  I knee-jerked and dropped Boldin instead of Colston or Hawkins last week, and I regretted it immediately.

E: Colston's schedule looks softer during the fantasy playoffs and I forgot to factor in Gordon's return for Hawkins.

My team has 8 players on BYE this week.  The team I'm starting is pretty laughable. 

Haha, I sleepwalked through one of my matchups last week because my opponent had a similar issue.  Gotta plan for these things, man!

I knew it would be an issue... but being 8-1 makes it a bit easier to deal with.  :grin:

I'm most likely going to go without a K this week because I can't drop anyone on a bye.

For the first time ever, my kicker is on a bye and I picked up another kicker without dropping the original kicker.  Usually they are expendable, but this time I've got Gostkowski, and I swear that motherfucker is averaging 15 a game.

This time of year I tend to grab kickers that are playing a lot of indoor games.  Especially in leagues where they get more points for longer FG's.

Yep.

Step 1 of the rally trail!  :why_so_serious:

Two losses in a row.

I'm on the out and out!

I had good odds in two of my leagues after the early games yesterday, and then Lynch and Rodgers.

91pts from two of my players. Ba-zzzinnggg!

I was against Rodgers in both of my leagues this week  :oh_i_see:

Now I am just getting greedy and want enough pts from Maclin to beat Haemish.

Huh? I'm not up against Maclin. I'm the Kilt Wavers & Kilt Wavers, Jr.

My hopes of winning anything this week rest on McCoy and Parkey outscoring Maclin by 40 fantasy points tonight, the Eagles defense scoring multiple TDs, or Antone Carson seriously outplaying Luke Kuechly on Carolina's defense.

I'm probably going 0-3 this week.

Thanks to oakland being nothing but a JV team I need Sproles to have a really monster game that he hasn't produced since week 2 and Panthers number 1 wideout to break his leg before the game.  Goddamn I hate the Mannings. 

Ya, you wrecked me in the main league this week.

I meant in the battle for top score of the week.

Bwahahahahaha

Good thing my JV team was going against the Panthers' D instead of the Eagles last night.  :awesome_for_real:

I'm now 6-4 in both leagues. I'm nothing if not consistent.

I have identified that burning smell as me being fucked in the anus due to my opponent somehow starting Kelvin Benjamin.

Trade Deadline in main league is this Saturday.

I need a top tier TE/QB and have plenty to trade for it.

He did well for me this week too.

Wonder if you guys think Pierre Thomas is worth a pickup over, say, Colston or Andrew Hawkins in a deep league?  Colston seems done, and Hawkins is probably going to get buried once Gordon comes back.

Ingram is getting more carries. Not sure I trust anyone not named Brees or Graham on the Saints roster to get me consistent points.

This is in a league where I'm going to be starting Trent Richardson and Chris Ivory at RB.  I was rolling with Branden Oliver and Ronnie Hillman for a while there.  Everyone else available aside from Chris Johnson is a speculative handcuff (Khiry Robinson, James Starks, Juwan Thompson, Robert Turbin, everyone else from Dallas).  I hate my team in this league, but somehow I keep winning.

I don't even know if Pierre is back from injury, but anyway...I picked him up for a few games in JV league, but I got next to no use out of him.  On that team, you can never count on the running back to produce.  And even then the chances are they will give Ingram the touches.

Running Backs in the NFL are becoming way too unpredictable and undependable, at least for fantasy.  I said this earlier in the thread when we were talking drafting strategies.  And while I have a weekly annoyance trying to fill out that roster spot, I do not regret valuing my WRs over my RBs.  The trick is finding which RBs are the current hot hands, or just getting lucky.

Last day to accept trades!!!

I've got 3 proposed and no responses :(

Heh, I'd sell the entire team before trading Peyton.

Ya. Wasn't sure if you wanted upgrades at WR and RB instead of Peyton.

I regret our Julius for Julio trade BTW.

Even though I named my team Just Show Up, no one on the team bothered to do that.

It'll likely improve now that the Falcons are in a playoff hunt.

Also Julius has an ankle sprain.

What I can't believe is that Jonas Gray sat on the main league wire until this morning.

He was a FA! Could've added him after his second TD!

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Well that was uncomfortably close in the JV league. Leading by 35 points and my opponent has nobody but Le'Veon Bell. I thought it was a lock to win but he put up 29, making the score really close.

Mike Evans is awesome.

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Don't forget in your other leagues --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99wgpDysrUM

I think I'm sitting Mike Evans and Julio Jones this week. #firstteamproblems.

I have had him on my bench for 6 weeks in my other league (another gaming group, coincidentally).  Unfortunately, I am #7 out of 10 there and only 4 teams make the playoffs so it might be too late.  I am also not hurting for WRs in that league with Bryant and D. Thomas, Beckham.  But I am benching Golden Tate for Gordon this week.

Did you try flipping him? Moved him for DeMarco in my keeper league since Gordon was last round.

I love that my team comes alive after I'm mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

I'm apparently just going to keep swapping weeks - one week the JV team will kill it then suck the next week while the exact opposite happens in the main league.

I should've made a few more trades in the main league.

I left 90+ points on my bench last week.

That said, have I clinched a bye even if I lose this coming week?

Magically won this week, renamed team Broken Clock.  Can't get to playoffs but I can be a spoiler.

I'm on the bubble in both leagues with the exact same record. A win and I'm definitely in, a loss and I need help.

If I can beat Roosters this week, I should be in.  I will know Thursday night after Maclin and Lynch play.

You and I are tied in the non-f13 Yahoo league, btw.  You'd win a tiebreaker at the moment and your matchup this week is easier, so I hate you.

Of course I'm running my usual mediocre middle of the pack in the JV league where I so desperately want to prove I'm Varsity worthy.  For fuck sakes.  In my pay league at my new job where I was graciously allowed to join I'm currently ranked #1 overall and their tears taste like wine.  In your buddies league Phildo I'm also ranked #1, shockingly, after an auto draft no less. 

I've hit the skids pretty hard in Varsity with injuries. Shit happens. I'm healthy in my other league and I'm top 4 with even Jay Cutler as my QB.

Autodraft is just as good as manually drafting a lot of the time.  Injuries and random sucking are completely unpredictable.

If I get past Yegolev and make the playoffs, I'm gunning for your ass.

Seriously, who doesn't make the playoffs in the league they commissioner when they also got the first draft pick?

All my drafted RBs at some point got injured, and on top of which my TE. I'm amazed I'm not dead last.

Every season in JV I have either finished second or first in the regular season or second place overall after the playoffs.  I don't think there is any promote-to-varsity mechanism in play here.  Or vice versa.  We should either do that, or stop calling them by these names.  It's racist!

Well, they let Paelos in.

Say whaaaa?  :oh_i_see:

I don't know a lot about football, but I do know that Miami plays the Jets twice.

Well I squeaked into the playoffs after dropping two in row. It's all reset from here! Good luck gentlemen, except for Russell Wilson's War. He can suck a dick.

I'm shocked I made it through after the worst auto-draft I've ever endured and Paelos' St. Louis defense inexplicably putting up 37 points to beat me this week.

I'm in a three-way tie for the last two playoff spots, have the fewest points-for so I can't win a tie-breaker, and have the toughest matchup of the three of us.  I'm probably hosed in Phildo's Friends & Family League.  I hate you, Yegolev.

Flood, I'm not even mad since you're running away with it.  Even though you lost to a 1-11 team last week.

Yeah, thank you for the invite to the league by the way, it's been fun.  And let's be clear - I lost to a 1-11 team that had an empty RB slot.  The fantasy gods are fickle.  Clawed my way back to 4th in JV league but I'm not confident about my first round chances against Good Morning Tebow.

Two leagues. Both have Jimmy Graham. One I lost by 5 2.5 points, and would have secured a playoff spot.

In JV.... I've cruised to a first round bye. Can I make it two years in a row?

Both JV and the main league I managed 3rd place. That's at least an upgrade from my usual mediocrity.

You are the bully of the JV league the past couple of years.

Damn you team guybrush couldn't you just lay down and die so I could finally make the playoffs.  3rd highest point total and missed the playoffs by a game.  I hate this game.

His point total is crazy.  CRAZY.

WHOOPS... also my opponent had the StLouis defense.  I had a not-bad week but he had a fantastic week.

This week on the gimp squad: Frank Gore vs Oakland or Fred Jackson vs Denver?  Most people seem to think Jackson, but Oakland sucks.

Oakland does suck mightily but Carlos Hyde has been leeching Gore's carries and the SF offense is schizo - it doesn't know whether it wants to be a run-first, read-option or pass-happy bunch.

Agree on Fred Jackson.  Gore is pretty much over.

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If it makes you feel any better, I lost in the JV league knocking me down to 7th and missing the playoffs.  I didn't check the injury reports and left a nice gooseegg on a WR spot.  Of course, his replacement would have gotten me just enough points to lose by .5.  :awesome_for_real:

Finished first place and got a bye.

Which is great because Roosters has 150+ more points than anyone else in the league.

I need 1 point out of Randall Cobb/Eddie Lacey tonight to win my playoff game in the main league. I need 37 points from Aaron Rodgers, Eddie Lacey and Jordy Nelson plus whatever Matt Bryant makes tonight as well.

I think I got these. I realize that's tempting the football gods, but really, if Green Bay can't tattoo like 40 points on Atlanta AT LAMBEAU, this season is going down the shitter no matter how well my fantasy teams do.

I think Atlanta is going to give the Packers more of a game than they think. It's just so easy on paper. So easy I think everyone is just betting on Atlanta rolling over and dying.

It just doesn't work that way all the time.

I could do with a 6-TD game from Matt Ryan, so that would be nice.  I mean, just about everyone else in the league has one this year already.

Every team has their own surprise shocker game in the year. Even teams like Oakland and Tampa.

Atlanta hasn't had theirs yet.

Yeah, choosing Kaep screwed me again in that game.  They were playing Oakland, for god's sake, I thought for once he'd perform.   :uhrr:

SF looked so horrible I'm considering playing SD D/ST vs. them in week 16.

Been enjoying the biweek, I put in my scrubs and they're still putting up 110+.

What the hell happened to STL D/ST?  New waterboy or something.

St. Louis is finally reaping the benefits of Jeff Fisher's coaching. They've been drafting a good bit of defensive talent and he's good on that side of the ball.

As for Kaepernick, he's just showing what his true ceiling is. San Francisco has stopped being a run first team but they have a mush-brained QB who should be running and scrambling more but isn't doing that either because they don't want to get him killed. Alex Smith would be doing better with this team.

If STL didn't lose their starting QB right at the beginning they had a shot at getting into the playoffs. They need a new starter anyway. Better get drafting!

I'm shocking SF is sucking. SHOCKED I SAY.  :why_so_serious:

Fucking playoffs. I got too cute and sat players I shouldn't have in all my leagues.

Notably I sat Jeremy Hill due to split concerns, Fat Lacy due to injury concerns and started Johnny Football due to stupidity.

Welp, looks like I picked the wrong week to shit the bed  :sad_panda:

I sat Hill in one league, too.  Fortunately, it didn't sink me since I had a slice of that Odell Beckham, Jr. magic as well.

Heh. That's what ended up happening to me in my local league.  Started Manziel (2QB league) and sat Hill and Lacy for FJax and Joquie (PPR).  Still squeaked out a win because of KC D, ODB and the wonderful Dez.

As for the F13 League, I guess I'll see Haem in the finals :)

Dez salvaged the 5th place game of my money league.  Small consolation for not actually getting a payout, but it's a four-sport league and I'm owning basketball and hockey right now so the bump will be nice come the finally tally next year.

That was the absolute worst time in the world for Aaron Rodgers to piss down his leg. It affected not only his points but Jordy Nelson's as well and not even starting Philip Rivers would have saved me in the JV league. What a terrible set of matchups for my QB's during the playoffs - Buffalo at home and Denver. At least Cobb, Lacey and Brady had good games in the main league so I can go into the finals and luckily most of my good players in that league have favorable matchups (Brady gets the JETS!!! J-E-T-S JETS!!!!)

Helluva a week for Rodgers to go TD-less. I got burned last year when Peyton did the same thing in the same week.

I am out of championship contention in both my leagues now.

Woohoo, survived Cutler's attempt to sabotage my last surviving playoff team and made it to the finals!

I think in the last ten years, this is the first time I have a chance at winning a fantasy football league.

Cutler also almost cost me in my other league, but I'm in the finals there too. If I win that one two years in a row, they may throw me out.

No we won't. Drax won 5 years in a row.

Sweet, upsetting the previous champion!

Me too!

So the winner of the league I ran this year because my original league was too competitive is going to be some scrub I invited from f13 when I needed some warm bodies.  Is there a lesson in here somewhere?

Always bet on black.

Just quoting myself from page 1 to point out that I am, yet again, in the championship and all but guaranteed to end up in Second Place.  Again.

Well, at least you're not losing to me this time again.  :awesome_for_real:

Hey, I don't discriminate who I lose to in the final.  Everyone will eventually get their turn.  Except Haemish, I own that motherfucker  :awesome_for_real:

And Cutler's benching probably just fucked me over in my championship bid.  Alex Smith or Eli Manning this week?   :mob:

I'm having to start Blake Bortles.

Smith, I'd say, but I've been wrong before.

Eli's going to get stuffed this week, and there's no way I'm touching Clausen, Manziel or RG III.

I do feel much more confident about starting the Lions D/ST this week, though!

I can't find anyone available who is better than what I already have, but don't think of that comment as some stellar endorsement of my roster.  I'll be happy if everyone meets projections, of course, except Stedman Bailey who I really want to blow it up this week.

 :grin:

Actually Haem is predicted to beat me.

If you're talking about Nachos & Beer, you have the wrong Gary.

Kilt waiving has been banned in Nachos & Beer.  This year, at least.

I don't know what that is, but sign me up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBbu5jEkxKM

Dear Drew Brees,

It is the Championship Game.  Please complete some passes, kthx.

Yours,

Cyrrex

P.S. To your OWN GUYS.  Thx again.

Drew's fucking me. It's all over.

Not looking good for me.  Rodgers isn't bringing out the points, among other people deciding to avoid touching the football today.

Halfway through the third quarter, Brees has 1.4 points.  Eat a bag of dicks, Drew Brees.

2 points. Fucking shit.

EDIT: 11 points, still. Fuck.

I just need Demarius to get 32 points tonight and I'm the champ! :why_so_serious:

I need AJ Green to outscore Peyton Manning.

I'll see myself out.

I need Julius Thomas, AJ Green and Jeremy Hill to combine for 40 points.  Not impossible, yeah?

What an incredible week for Luck to Suck.  :sad:

Yes, and my appreciation is endless.   :awesome_for_real:

Fuck you, Tom Brady.

Should'be played Tannehil or Eli.  Or Kyle Orton, Teddy Bridgewater or Shaun Hill.  Or Charlie Whitehurst or Jimmy Clausen.

Brady, Luck, Rodgers, Brees and Stafford say "fuck you".

I didn't think playing Blake Bortles was going to be better than Drew Brees. So there's that.

Weeks 16 and 17 are always tough in fantasy. It is a nice time to have good RBs.

Peyton's shitting the bed, but of course AJ Green is injured, thus fucking me harder. This week is pretty much Murphy's law of Fantasy.

Popping champagne over here. Repeat Main League Champ.

Woo.




Lost my other two finals though.

I lost the championship in my league because of Luck.  Ironic, as he was the one that got me there.

Oh, and then AJ Green getting zipped sealed the deal.

Congrats. Good season.

Grats to the winners

It's been a weird season.

AJ Green, whyyyyy?!?  At least I get Cutler back for the second half of my bizarre two-week finals.  Now down 20 points, I'm probably fucked.  Go Bears?

You just had a lot of bad luck (Luck) this week.  What, you scored maybe half your average? 

I want to say that it makes my victory hollow, but it totally doesn't!  Fantasy Gods owed me this one.

Congratulations to Los Sombreritos.  Your draft was decent and you made a lot of astute substitutions.

See you all next year!

Thanks!

Although having Odell Beckham, Jr. is cheating.  I swear he's part of 40% of championship teams this year in all fantasy.

Drew Brees, Jay Cutler, AJ Green.

Gold for 15 weeks. NOT SO MUCH AT THE END WARGBLEGARBGLL

Ended up finishing second in my pool, which was pretty good considering my main producers throughout the season were Cutler, Marshall, Ellington, Steven Jackson, and Crabtree. None of them played in my last two weeks, but luckily it wasn't a playoff based league. The late season resurgence of Seattle's D and Eli clinched it for me.