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Title: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on February 11, 2014, 06:44:24 PM
I wanted to start the new thread with something random, since we just got past signing day.

Here's that random thing: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/02/georgia-chris-conley-star-wars/

Chris Conley is shooting an homage to Star Wars. I like this because he's A - UGA player, and B - Star Wars, and C - Coach Richt is actually in it.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on February 14, 2014, 03:38:57 PM
http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2014/new-ncaa-rules-proposal/

Rule change proposals. One, the targetting call will no longer be for 15 yards if it's overturned (common sense should have never allowed this in the first place).

Two, defenses are allowed to substitute within the first 10 seconds of the playclock. That means no more rushing to the line and snapping the ball in the hurry up outside of 2 minutes. I think this is sort of silly because teams rarely snap it that fast. To me it should be 15 seconds, and we should stop this hurry up all game nonsense. It's turned college football into higher scoring affairs than college basketball, with all the rules favoring the quick-tempo, high-powered offenses. It also favors only the best defenses in the league because they are the only ones with front line personnel that can handle it.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: ghost on March 26, 2014, 07:51:26 PM
Wow.  Big fucking deal. 

Northwestern players allowed to unionize (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize). 

Quote
In a statement, NCAA chief legal officer Donald Remy said: "While not a party to the proceeding, the NCAA is disappointed that the NLRB Region 13 determined the Northwestern football team may vote to be considered university employees. We strongly disagree with the notion that student-athletes are employees."

Remy added: "Over the last three years, our member colleges and universities have worked to re-evaluate the current rules. While improvements need to be made, we do not need to completely throw away a system that has helped literally millions of students over the past decade alone attend college. We want student athletes -- 99 percent of whom will never make it to the professional leagues -- focused on what matters most -- finding success in the classroom, on the field and in life."


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on March 26, 2014, 08:00:25 PM
It's only a matter of time. In 40 years we've gone from coaches making 60 grand and getting jobs in the offseason, to million dollar salaries and billion dollar TV networks. They can't keep pretending forever. It's just like the Curt Flood issue, as the money is becoming so big it's immoral.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on March 27, 2014, 10:39:33 AM
Yeah, Fuck the NCAA. It's about time their gravy train took it in the pants. They've been running a hypocritical money spinner for decades on the sweat equity of college students with the thin veneer of "an education" and the promise of NFL stardom while paying these kids FUCKALL. These kids sacrifice their bodies and possible future health for bullshit.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 27, 2014, 11:02:10 AM
Yeah, Fuck the NCAA. It's about time their gravy train took it in the pants. They've been running a hypocritical money spinner for decades on the sweat equity of college students with the thin veneer of "an education" and the promise of NFL stardom while paying these kids FUCKALL. These kids sacrifice their bodies and possible future health for bullshit.

Agreed. I do worry about what is going to happen to tuition and services for students, however. The money to pay SAs is going to have to come from somewhere, and I am sure the debt will be passed on to the students to service.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on March 27, 2014, 12:52:26 PM
They might just kill all the non revenue sports that football currently pays for.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Chimpy on March 27, 2014, 01:45:43 PM
Which would put everyone in violation of Title IX.



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on March 27, 2014, 02:00:24 PM
They might just kill all the non revenue sports that football currently pays for.

Good. The idea that universities give scholarships for this nonsense on the backs of other kids in order to maintain their 501c3 status is part of the problem.

Spend the money on Title IX sports, and screw the rest of the stuff that doesn't generate cash. If the basketball, baseball, or other men's sports can stand on their own, they don't deserve to exist. Let the money spent/wasted go to things like academic scholarship.

Or better yet, if this makes the sport an actual business that's not part of Title IX, then they have to pay taxes on it. The money that's lost to those athletes can instead go to actual students.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: ghost on March 27, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
Yeah, hopefully this will end all this nonsense of "amateurism".  Hopefully it will entice all of these schools to drop athletic scholarships, something that probably should have happened a long time ago.  The big time players like Bama, USC, Michigan, OSU, etc. are using these sports as nothing but a cash cow, without any regard whatsoever for the student portion of the student athlete.  The smaller programs are forced to keep up, often by raiding the pocketbooks of the general student population.  It's shameful, really.  And I say this as a HUGE college football fan. 


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on March 27, 2014, 03:05:53 PM
The NCAA and the NFL need to come together and use all that money to set up a system of football academies like they do in Europe. License the names of the popular universities for the teams and keep the existing draft, but pay the players. Nothing has to change except all this idiotic "student athlete" pretense.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: ghost on March 27, 2014, 03:12:44 PM
I doubt that will fly.  The universities have to keep up appearances and there are usually committees involved. 


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on March 27, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
The NCAA and the NFL need to come together and use all that money to set up a system of football academies like they do in Europe. License the names of the popular universities for the teams and keep the existing draft, but pay the players. Nothing has to change except all this idiotic "student athlete" pretense.

The problem with this answer is it semi-fucks over the 99% of college football players who never had a chance of making the NFL in the first place. OK, they get a crappy minor league salary for a few years, but now they also don't get a degree?

It's not going to be an easy situation to unravel or solve.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: ghost on March 27, 2014, 03:23:26 PM
It doesn't have to fuck them over.  The colleges could potentially still offer scholarships, I'd imagine, with the right legal-eze. 

But that would fuck over the universities because those players probably wouldn't be bringing in quite the money that the semi-pros would.

Also, the teams that Haemish is talking about would need a full roster.  It's unlikely that the entire rosters of these teams would end up in the NFL.  The NFL is a different sort of league than the NBA.  It's very common to see players from lower level NCAA an NAIA schools. 


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on March 27, 2014, 04:02:44 PM
Seems like the NFL/NCAA hybrid could provide a little dosh as scholarship money for the kids that wanted to take it. And yes, it would probably fuck over the ACTUAL student athletes as far as scholarship money. I still think it's a better solution than what currently exists.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on March 27, 2014, 04:07:59 PM
You guys are daffy.

edit:

To clarify: I  just don't see this development leading to the sweeping change you all seem to think will or should happen.  The implications of actually following through with a major change to college athletics would be a gigantic shock to the system that many interested and influential parties will fight tooth and nail against.  At best, we get some "reforms".   I'm not quite sure, personally, that I'm willing to accept the death of collegiate athletics.  I don't see the rest of the nation really swinging that way either.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 27, 2014, 04:15:25 PM
Seems like the NFL/NCAA hybrid could provide a little dosh as scholarship money for the kids that wanted to take it. And yes, it would probably fuck over the ACTUAL student athletes as far as scholarship money. I still think it's a better solution than what currently exists.

That is sort of how junior hockey works. The players get housed with local families and some sort of stipend, and also everyone also gets a scholarship for college when they are done with hockey. That frees them up to give their all to playing, and then give their all to school when hockey is over. Certainly not perfect, but more realistic than expecting kids to carry a full course load and then spend 40 hours a week doing athletics.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on March 27, 2014, 04:56:17 PM
The NCAA and the NFL need to come together and use all that money to set up a system of football academies like they do in Europe. License the names of the popular universities for the teams and keep the existing draft, but pay the players. Nothing has to change except all this idiotic "student athlete" pretense.

The problem with this answer is it semi-fucks over the 99% of college football players who never had a chance of making the NFL in the first place. OK, they get a crappy minor league salary for a few years, but now they also don't get a degree?

It's not going to be an easy situation to unravel or solve.

It's actually pretty easy. It just involves making the schools pay taxes. Make no mistake, the US government is watching how much money is rolling through these athletic departments. The federal government won't protect them for much longer when there is so much potential revenue just lying around.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 27, 2014, 05:26:13 PM
"Student" Athletes (http://deadspin.com/this-unc-athletes-paper-is-a-joke-whos-to-blame-1552798110)  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on March 27, 2014, 05:52:08 PM
"Student" Athletes (http://deadspin.com/this-unc-athletes-paper-is-a-joke-whos-to-blame-1552798110)  :oh_i_see:

I been out of the teaching/grading realm for awhile, but this is pretty similar to what I saw at LSU as a grad student grader. Luckily, my dept wasn't under any pressure to pass this stuff for athletes so these things would either get failed outright or given a chance to rewrite it at a penalty.

Miami was a little better, but not by much.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: ghost on March 27, 2014, 09:18:08 PM
My college roommate was a TA for English 101 at the University of Kentucky as part of his PhD program after we graduated.  He lived in fear of having a UK basketball player in his class.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on June 20, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/pinellascounty/2014/06/18/bitcoin-bowl-to-replace-beef-o-bradys-bowl/10761937/

Bitcoin Bowl.

No I'm not kidding. Bowls have jumped the shark as of this moment.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on June 20, 2014, 03:24:13 PM
Wow. Just... wow.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on June 20, 2014, 03:25:44 PM
I know why this is happening. With the new college playoff, advertisers are now realizing that sponsoring these stupid bowls is a lose-lose for them. They don't want their names associated with anything that has no meaning.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Trippy on June 21, 2014, 11:02:06 AM
The non-BCS bowl games pre-playoffs had no meaning either so I'm not sure how switching to the playoff system changes that.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on June 21, 2014, 11:07:36 AM
The non-BCS bowl games pre-playoffs had no meaning either so I'm not sure how switching to the playoff system changes that.

Perception and timing. The idea of fans getting a playoff makes these minor bowls even more useless in the minds of the fans. Before, they were all equally silly except for one game. Now? There's an established week-to-week hierarchy that will play out. It's not just one game, it's a series of games with a time gap. It will render all other discussions and games worthless in that period.

That and the recent scandals surrouding bowls, the huge commitments to tickets that programs can't afford, and the attendance losses in college football as a whole? I think they will all combine to push out these lower tiered bowl games economically. Schools won't want to take the bid. Only the crap schools will, further lowering the take.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on August 05, 2014, 07:40:36 PM
Must be that time again...

http://grantland.com/features/2014-sec-football-preview-auburn-alabama-south-carolina/


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on August 05, 2014, 08:17:01 PM
Gonna be fun. I actually like Mississippi State in the West to shock quite a few folks, I think Alabama struggles hard with their QB issues and defensive youth. Auburn caught everyone by surprise last year, but this year they won't sneak up on a soul.

Alabama might win the West, but it won't be unscathed if they do. I'll go out on a limb and say the West is down this year with people wonder what happened, while the East improves a lot and people wonder how Tennessee got this much better this fast (I think Butch Jones is a great coach).

I'm going to hope Georgia doesn't fuck up. I hope that every year. I've been wrong every year since 2005.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Nebu on August 05, 2014, 09:47:14 PM
Wow.  Big fucking deal. 

Northwestern players allowed to unionize (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize). 

Quote
In a statement, NCAA chief legal officer Donald Remy said: "While not a party to the proceeding, the NCAA is disappointed that the NLRB Region 13 determined the Northwestern football team may vote to be considered university employees. We strongly disagree with the notion that student-athletes are employees."

Remy added: "Over the last three years, our member colleges and universities have worked to re-evaluate the current rules. While improvements need to be made, we do not need to completely throw away a system that has helped literally millions of students over the past decade alone attend college. We want student athletes -- 99 percent of whom will never make it to the professional leagues -- focused on what matters most -- finding success in the classroom, on the field and in life."

That's awesome.  Nice to see the Big 10 leading in something other than cheating. 


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on August 08, 2014, 08:04:10 AM
NCAA voted for autonomy for the Big 5 conferences. This marks the end of college football as we know it if it holds up.

If it means teams in the bigger conferences will only play each other. I'm for it. If it means they will still schedule 3 cupcakes a year while getting more money, fuck em. I'll give up my season tickets if this shit doesn't change quickly with the new playoff and new rules. I can watch this stuff on TV for free and not pay $1000 a season to watch Georgia play three meaningful home games.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on August 08, 2014, 10:32:02 AM
Hopefully this is the first step to those 5 conferences forming some kind of super semi-pro league rather than being money and attention drains on our higher education system.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on August 11, 2014, 01:45:45 AM
They can't really do that because of Title IX.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on August 26, 2014, 06:04:27 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/gametracker/preview/NCAAF_20140828_TXAM@SC

Soon...

Not a bad game to start things off either.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on August 28, 2014, 03:53:47 PM
Woooooooooooooooo College Football is here. Going in an hour to watch the Utes beat the living crap out of Idaho State!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on August 28, 2014, 06:10:36 PM
I have tickets to Cal-Sac State next weekend. I'm kind of worried.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on August 28, 2014, 06:20:08 PM
I may go to the Arizona-UNLV game.  I'm not sure it's worth the laryngitis.  It's a shitty time of year to watch a game against a shitty team, but I'm sure I'll yell my ass off all the same.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on August 28, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
South Carolina didn't see this coming. They are in bad shape at the half against A&M.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on August 29, 2014, 05:26:52 AM
Man that USC/TA&M game just blew apart a lot of predictions. Several people had USC taking the East this year. Granted, it is early and history proves if you lose early, it doesn't sting as much... but getting a beat down like that to a newbie QB at home?

Going to be a very good year.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 29, 2014, 10:14:48 AM
LOLCougars. So much for the 'after they start 3-0, GameDay is coming to the Palouse!'


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on August 29, 2014, 11:16:01 PM
We're only 10 point underdogs on the road against Northwestern. Bet against us.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on August 30, 2014, 06:02:49 PM
We're only 10 point underdogs on the road against Northwestern. Bet against us.

You cost my kid his college fund!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on August 31, 2014, 12:47:02 AM
 :-o


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 31, 2014, 01:08:01 AM
I think watching soccer may have broken me for CFB. I couldn't sit through more than a quarter of the UW game tonight without running to my PC. SO. MANY. COMMERCIALS. It didn't help that the game was a mistake-filled clusterfuck, but godfucking damn I can't do 3.5 hour games filled with maybe 11 minutes of actual action. Especially with CBS's 17th-best crew calling the action and making me want to claw my ears off my head.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on August 31, 2014, 01:23:34 AM
That's why I don't watch live sports anymore, DVR only. Especially in the NFL with all the crotch scratching, flags and replays on top of the copious ad fellatio.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on August 31, 2014, 06:52:10 AM
Well if LSU keeps this up, I'll have a stroke by week 3.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Sir T on August 31, 2014, 09:07:49 AM
Yeah, I TRIED watching American Football. I actually liked the game but I fucking could not stand the constant ad brakes. They drove me mental...


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on August 31, 2014, 09:37:11 AM
So yeah, Todd Gurley's pretty good.

I'm happy today.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on August 31, 2014, 09:44:09 AM
So yeah, Todd Gurley's pretty good.

I'm happy today.

As well you should be. GA looked beastly. They should be clear to win the East unless they have a bunch of injuries in the season.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on September 06, 2014, 11:13:17 PM
Looks like we can commence laughing at the Big Ten even earlier than usual this year! I love college football.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on September 07, 2014, 02:15:22 AM
Looking forward to playing UW suddenly.  :awesome_for_real:

Also, this was pretty awesome:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11476320&ex_cid=espnapi_public


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on September 07, 2014, 02:11:59 PM
Looking forward to playing UW suddenly.  :awesome_for_real:


You must not like defense being played? :facepalm:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on September 14, 2014, 07:10:03 AM
Now maybe the football world will shut the hell up about how USC is back in the playoff picture. Talk about shitting the bed.

And how the hell did SC (S.Car) pull out that win? SEC East is consuming itself. If you all aren't careful, Florida will run away with it.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on September 14, 2014, 11:45:48 AM
Georgia finally got screwed by our defense not playing a full game. That's how we lost.

Also I think other teams have finally picked up on the fact that our super senior QB isn't that great and can't throw a deep ball. Every safety is playing 10 yards off the line because nobody is worried about him going over the top.

It's something I hadn't considered until I saw him play live. I didn't believe Richt would put a guy on the field that can't make a 30 yard throw. Yet here we are.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on September 15, 2014, 02:14:22 PM
Cal-Oregon is going to be on a Friday night at the new 49ers stadium, and I live next to light rail so I could easily take a short train ride to get to it. Go to look at tickets today, and end zone tickets are $80.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on September 15, 2014, 03:19:12 PM
Cal-Oregon is going to be on a Friday night at the new 49ers stadium, and I live next to light rail so I could easily take a short train ride to get to it. Go to look at tickets today, and end zone tickets are $80.  :oh_i_see:

That should be cheap in out there right?  :grin:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on September 21, 2014, 01:16:53 AM
That ending.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/laughingbaby.gif)


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on September 21, 2014, 10:36:34 AM
Cal, wtf.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on September 23, 2014, 04:23:36 PM
I am not ready to talk about it yet.  :heartbreak:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Furiously on September 27, 2014, 07:44:11 PM
Aha, Utah seems to be killing my wife's alma mater I'm cheering with you.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on September 27, 2014, 11:22:23 PM
Ya, not so much.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on September 28, 2014, 08:27:20 AM
Georgia is back in the drivers seat, thanks mizzou!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on October 03, 2014, 12:53:05 AM
Suck it Oregon!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on October 03, 2014, 12:58:27 AM
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/win.gif)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/wjANVCD.jpg)

RIP PAC12.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 03, 2014, 01:04:11 AM
Ducks Dine On Dicks.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 03, 2014, 08:37:31 AM
Took Arizona +23.5

Didn't need the points.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on October 03, 2014, 12:48:43 PM
You'd think this would make me feel better about our loss, but it does not.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 03, 2014, 12:58:43 PM
You'd think this would make me feel better about our loss, but it does not.

Next two games are pretty much must wins for yall if you want to get to a bowl.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on October 03, 2014, 01:00:42 PM
The SEC grinder starts in earnest this weekend. The next three weeks are going to probably be a bloodbath with everyone getting wounded at some point.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on October 03, 2014, 01:29:29 PM
You'd think this would make me feel better about our loss, but it does not.

Next two games are pretty much must wins for yall if you want to get to a bowl.

(http://i.imgur.com/2JphGmO.jpg)


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 03, 2014, 02:06:13 PM
It could happen! Stop being such a Bear.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on October 04, 2014, 08:46:50 PM
So so the bloodening begins.  :drill:

Jesus... this was upset weekend. Bama, USC, OK, WIS, Texas A&M... Oregon must be loving this.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 05, 2014, 12:44:30 AM
BRB putting in my applications for WSU special teams coach and Cal defensive coordinator. Pretty sure there will be openings soon.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on October 05, 2014, 12:57:38 AM
I'm pretty sure at this point that if we could play even average pass defense, this team would be capable of making the playoff.

Also, every ranked Pac-12 team lost this week. Parity strikes again! This is why I hate the playoff system (and the BCS before it); it turns what would have been an awesome fun race for the Rose Bowl berth under the traditional system into something lame. This happens way more often than not. Instead of rooting for drama you have to root for a boring season where one team just dominates.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on October 05, 2014, 01:05:05 AM
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!


Fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. They even tried to give it to them on a BS roughing call.  Fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 05, 2014, 01:14:28 AM
Just saw the replay. Very nice!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on October 05, 2014, 01:36:08 AM
WSU QB just broke 700 yards.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on October 05, 2014, 01:41:52 AM
Bwahaha, I'll take it. WSU fans in pain makes me happy, 2nd worst fans in the Pac-12 (after USC.)


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 05, 2014, 01:47:49 AM
Yes, they are terrible. But I am not sure any fan base deserved THAT.  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on October 05, 2014, 02:37:29 AM
I am drunk as balls because the Utes beat a top 10 team second year in a row, this time on the road. Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on October 05, 2014, 07:18:14 AM
So first year of the playoff system and it will probably involve Notre Dame... ugh.

Now someone so something about this FSU team. I am already tired of them.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on October 05, 2014, 10:01:59 AM
You get a loss! And you get a loss!  Everyone gets a loss!!!

We opened the floodgates.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on October 05, 2014, 10:25:07 AM
Right now its gotta be:
-FSU
-Auburn
-ND
-Baylor

But probably only FSU has a decent shot of going undefeated of those four.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 05, 2014, 04:03:15 PM
Utes made me +420 on the money line. Figured UCLA was overrated.

Yep!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on October 06, 2014, 11:13:51 AM
How about those Mississippi Teams!!!!!!!

Yeah, I don't really give a shit about college football or either MS State or Ole Miss. I didn't go to either school and most of their fans are utterly insufferable on a good day. Ole Miss fans are generally that shithead frat boy in Dockers (or whatever pass for Dockers these days) who dress like it's prom at every home game and get utterly piss themselves drunk in "THE GROVE" before every game so they can end the night date raping their sorority girlfriend. State fans tend to be slightly less "upper class twit" douche-y but still fuck them Dawgs, their school is located in the ass end of nowhere and the cowbell is their football mating call. Both are ranked #3 and I'm already sick of all the TV stations around here thumping their chests at the success. I get a chubby just thinking about the sadness that will come once they achieve true failure by losing at homecoming to some creampuff they scheduled to make their home fans feel better about themselves. I'm sure Ole Miss will lose to Vandy and State will lay an egg against Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl. But hey, having ESPN locate their College GameDay crew in the state 2 weeks in a row gets us some tax money so GO US?


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on October 06, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
I am worried.  A number 10 ranking is not deserved for beating an entirely overranked and injury plagued Oregon team.  Sure, we're the last undefeated PAC12 team  :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real:, but we've got big, big flaws.  Plus, now that ASU handed USC a very humiliating loss, USC will be extra-motivated to prove they have the better recruiting class/atheletes/potential pros  than us.




Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on October 06, 2014, 12:21:58 PM
And LSU finally falls out of the rankings.  :cry:

I am hoping Miss St is just that good this year. I won't feel as bad...


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 06, 2014, 01:42:55 PM
Georgia still has a QB who sucks and a defense that couldn't stop Vandy from scoring what? 17 points? Except for South Carolina whose defense is even worse (HOW THE FUCK DID WE LOSE TO THEM AGAIN FUCK YOU DEFENSE AND HUTSON MASON YOU SHITHEAD), that's the most points they've scored against any SEC team.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on October 09, 2014, 04:41:12 PM
 :roffle:Gurley suspended indefinitely. (http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/10/09/georgia-todd-gurley-suspended) :roffle:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 09, 2014, 07:17:36 PM
 :heartbreak: :heartbreak: :heartbreak: :heartbreak: :heartbreak: :heartbreak: :heartbreak:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 11, 2014, 08:35:13 PM
Has anyone heard from Ingmar? Wondering if he is out on a ledge atm. Wow.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 11, 2014, 08:50:39 PM
:roffle:Gurley suspended indefinitely. (http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/10/09/georgia-todd-gurley-suspended) :roffle:

Consequently Georgia played the best game in their history.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on October 11, 2014, 09:01:40 PM
There's the Bears I've been expecting, although not the game I expected it to happen. No ledge since its not a big surprise and Bumgarner is cruising.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on October 11, 2014, 10:16:03 PM
So was there a game that mattered that wasn't decided by the officials today?

I saw:
-ND handed the game against UNC by some questionable as shit calls.
-Auburn get their back broken by a offensive pass interference (that I could live with tbh) but that call hardly represented "the way the game was called" or the way any ncaa game is called.
-I fell asleep after TCU went up by 21 but the highlight package of the comeback seems to all revolve around some pretty crucial flags to setup the win for Baylor.

I guess Mizzou got shit on in the morning,  but who cares.

The spot on that 4th & 1 try for Arkansas was complete bullshit, I'm not sure if he had it but the spot was a good half yard off.

I haven't been watching NCAA much in the last few years because its corrupt low quality ESPN determining the rankings bullshit but I'm curious about the playoffs this year. Forgot how sketchy the officiating always seems to be in college games, was a huge reason I decided to stay the fuck away.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on October 12, 2014, 02:11:03 AM
Kickers.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/kanyelaugh.gif)

2-5 is not good.  Plus, he made Sark look smart by completely duffing them after those stupid fucking time outs.  OHH WELL.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 12, 2014, 08:28:07 AM
So was there a game that mattered that wasn't decided by the officials today?

I saw:
-ND handed the game against UNC by some questionable as shit calls.
-Auburn get their back broken by a offensive pass interference (that I could live with tbh) but that call hardly represented "the way the game was called" or the way any ncaa game is called.
-I fell asleep after TCU went up by 21 but the highlight package of the comeback seems to all revolve around some pretty crucial flags to setup the win for Baylor.

I guess Mizzou got shit on in the morning,  but who cares.

The spot on that 4th & 1 try for Arkansas was complete bullshit, I'm not sure if he had it but the spot was a good half yard off.

I haven't been watching NCAA much in the last few years because its corrupt low quality ESPN determining the rankings bullshit but I'm curious about the playoffs this year. Forgot how sketchy the officiating always seems to be in college games, was a huge reason I decided to stay the fuck away.

At least in the Arkansas game they had every chance in the world to beat Alabama regardless of refs. They just sucked. TCU didn't get burned by refs either. TCU's up 58-37 with 11 minutes left. The refs didn't hand them 21 points or stop TCU from getting a burning the clock by not getting enough first downs. Auburn got facesmashed for 21 in the first quarter. Don't want to lose? You don't give up three TDs right off the bat.

The UNC game, yes. I'd agree ND got the classical late calls that saved their asses.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on October 13, 2014, 11:35:23 AM
So since 2 Mississippi teams are somehow in the conversation for a national title and club soccer was on an international break, I decided to watch the two MS teams play this weekend. College football has changed a bit since I last watched it and I used to root for Ole Miss. I figured I'd root for both this weekend. Yes, I'm a bandwagon fan.

So this Aubrun QB is in the Heisman running? Why... exactly? He's athletic but he made some shitty passes. Prescott made some equally shitty decisions just that State's defense didn't allow TD's off of them. Speaking of defense, holy shit, State's defensive line is mean. They absolutely dominated the line of scrimmage. Auburn's was good, State's was better and State's defensive backfield was better. There are going to be a good number of NFL players coming from the State defense.

Ole Miss wasn't really as impressive offensively as the score would indicate but they didn't make many mistakes. Their defense was also really good. One thing I did notice is that Speedy Noil, the wideout for A&M... he's really fucking good. If he stays healthy, he's exactly the type of speed merchant/punt returner NFL teams like to grab.

Looking at both these teams schedules, I'd put more stock in State winning out then Ole Miss. The Rebs have to go to Auburn late in the season and then play State. If they don't lose one of their cupcake games, they'll probably lose one of those.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 13, 2014, 02:59:13 PM
Of the two I think MS State is better. Also, they are less likely to have a QB implosion. Bo Wallace is likely to turn into a pickoff machine at least once.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on October 13, 2014, 03:34:43 PM
You wouldn't necessarily think that if you'd only watched the two games on Saturday.  :why_so_serious:

But I tend to agree with you if only because I know of Ole Miss's history with QB's not named Manning. Apparently, they recruit on "heart" and "grit" instead of actual skill at throwing the ball.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 13, 2014, 04:53:36 PM
You wouldn't necessarily think that if you'd only watched the two games on Saturday.  :why_so_serious:

But I tend to agree with you if only because I know of Ole Miss's history with QB's not named Manning. Apparently, they recruit on "heart" and "grit" instead of actual skill at throwing the ball.

Yeah if I just watched Saturday, I'd say Bo Wallace is a world beater and that MS State probably loses to them.

Thing is I watched Bo play Boise State for 3 quarters like he was supposed to throw to the other team. And wake up in the 4th quarter and say, OH YEAH WE'RE BETTER THAN THESE GUYS.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on October 18, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
I think Bama is angry about something...

Halftime stats:
(http://i.imgur.com/2bP8BDi.png)


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on October 18, 2014, 10:58:23 PM
Well, that was a fun way for Notre Dame to lose.  Too bad FSU had to win in the process.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 20, 2014, 01:15:38 AM
I wanted FSU to lose that one because now they won't lose at all in the regular season. The ACC is a fucking joke.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 19, 2014, 04:28:04 PM
Well, that was a fun way for Notre Dame to lose.  Too bad FSU had to win in the process.

I was hoping for a meteor strike on the stadium. At least one of them lost.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on October 20, 2014, 02:17:40 AM
I wanted FSU to lose that one because now they won't lose at all in the regular season. The ACC is a fucking joke.

Yes dance to Disney's bullshit little monkey.

The Big12 and ACC have been the latest targets of marginalization by the ESPN/Disney machine once they had finished off the Big10. For the past 5 years or so the Big12 and/or ACC (depends on the year obviously) have football teams that are way fucking better than their bullshit ranking and the results in bowl games have backed that.

I mean the Big12 is fucking themselves by not having a conference championship game right now which means probably only TCU or K-State can make the playoffs now, even if WVU ran the table from here on out I bet they wouldn't make it without a lot of help. But its also the fact that ESPN is already trying to setup a two SEC team (and dreaming of 3) playoff.

As for the ACC, it looks like it might be a "down" year since VT has fully self destructed and Clemson just won't have any more chances to prove itself since South Carolina is having a bad year. But to discount FSU because the ACC is so weak is fucking pitiful they've got something like a 70% winrate versus power five teams in recent years. Its not their fault that Will Muschamp is a fucking clown and UF is in the shitter so they'll be denied a chance to end the year with a big statement win.

MSU has beaten one real team so far in Auburn. They have beaten two teams (LSU and A&M) that might be no better than: Wisconsin, OU, Stanford or Va Tech. This is the most bullshit example so far this year of SEC teams must be amazing for beating other SEC teams who were amazing until they lost we've had so far this year. You want to tell me they are a "lock" #1 team voters? Fuck off.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on October 20, 2014, 01:14:09 PM
Everybody loves them some SEC.  :grin:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 20, 2014, 03:35:18 PM
results in bowl games have backed that.

Results in bowl games are meaningless outside the national championship. There's a constant battle of "who gives a shit" going on in those things. Most of the time, teams don't care. Should USC have lost to Georgia Tech when Lane Kiffin was still coach? Absolutely not. They did because Lane didn't even bother getting them to go to the pre-game dinners and show up to the meetings. They didn't care.

Bowl games are a nice exhibition, but I don't put stock in them on which conference is better. I put stock in national titles, the college football playoff this year, my eyeballs, and out of conference play during the regular season.

The ACC is fucking dreck with one great team. Just like the Big 10. It's not a smear campaign when Ohio State loses out of conference to Virginia Tech, who goes on to get beat by a 4-3 Pittsburgh team. Clemson barely escaped the mighty Boston College team last week, which is middle of the road at best. FSU is the only thing that conference has going, and nobody for a second believes they will lose another game because that conference is a joke.

In the Big 10, you have Minnesota leading one half of that conference, and they got dominated by TCU. In the other half you have a Michigan State team that shit the bed in the fourth quarter against Oregon. You have Ohio State fumbling with VA Tech, Maryland losing to West Virginia, and do I even have to discuss what Michigan has become? Where's the conspiracy exactly?


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on October 20, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Convenient that bowl games whose results go against your world view don't count.  :oh_i_see:

They don't tell us which conferences are better effectively but they do tell us which conferences are overrated by the AP. You can go through year by year, its the B12 and ACC that have been winning "upsets" based on AP seeding and the SEC and Pac-12 teams are the ones who are "overseeded" and losing those games. Which is especially damning for the SEC considering they play 90% home games in bowls.

The SEC teams are ranked higher than they should be. That they lose to lower ranked teams more often than every other conference in bowl games where they hold home territory advantage proves this as far as I'm concerned. But they only lose because they don't care. Whatever you say.

No doubt there are motivational problems and coaching carousel problems that occur in bowls. But those are probably no more noise in the signal than bad losses because of off field disruptions, key injuries, etc. during the season which can cause a team to lose a game that if they played another 5 times you would expect them to win most/all of them.

Like Ohio State lost to Va Tech, but that was also that QB's first start that he wasn't expecting to play in until Miller went down in August and he clearly just fell apart under that pressure. Its still a loss. If Ohio State was great this year they would have found the way to win that game. It was at home ffs. Each game has storyline stuff like that that you can certainly claim puts the meaning of the game's result into question but at some point you have to use the data you have.

Like I said FSU is 70% winrate against real conferences. Clemson and Va Tech in the 60's somewhere iirc. Its not some barely power conference even if this is a down year.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 20, 2014, 08:18:35 PM
I don't care what happens in the past year. I look at the conferences this year and rank them. I honestly thought last year the SEC was in a down year and I even said as much in the last year's thread. It's one of the reasons I didn't think Auburn would win the title. They were a shitty representative of a down year in the SEC. I don't think that will be the case this year.

The Big 12 is a great conference this year and only needs to get a couple more members while returning Texas to it's former glory to matter more.
The Big 10 is a dumpster fire this year outside of Michigan State, which is probably the only functional program they have.
The ACC is crap this year. It just is. FSU isn't even that good, but they haven't faced a program to truly test them other than a wildly overrated Notre Dame team whose best win prior was a mediocre Stanford team that's been exposed.
The Pac 12 is very good this year, verging on great. However, they lack an undefeated banner program at the moment.
The SEC has five teams right now in the top 10, which I think is ridiculous. They will beat each other eventually and fall around the other teams. I don't think Georgia is a top 10 team as an example. Still, there are reasons to believe that two teams could play in the playoff and beat anybody else. They have been that dominant against ranked competition.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on October 25, 2014, 06:59:56 PM
Bet the farm on USC tonight.



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on October 25, 2014, 08:04:18 PM
TCU puts up 82 points on TxTech. Dear god...


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 25, 2014, 08:25:58 PM
Bet the farm on USC tonight.

Any reason?


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on October 26, 2014, 12:38:16 AM
Welp, told you at least one of the MS teams would shit the bed before the season was over. Anyone see the end of that game? What... the... fuck? 9 seconds left, and you can't decide whether to try for a 42-yarder or go for more yardage, then make the decision to kick it with 17 seconds left on the play clock so you take a 5-yard delay of game penalty? Then when the opposing coach ices your kicker, you decide to send out the offense again and have your QB toss a fucking floater? I'm sure the coach didn't mean for his QB to literally piss down his own leg but damn. Should have made up your mind with 9 seconds left. And how does the QB not know to throw a short pass to the sidelines to try to make for a better kick? Total choke job.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on October 26, 2014, 12:40:05 AM
Bo Wallace.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on October 26, 2014, 12:45:18 AM
Bad Bo. Bad Bad Bo.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on October 26, 2014, 01:39:34 AM
YES.  Thanks Utah!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/wjANVCD.jpg)


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on October 26, 2014, 02:16:15 AM
Bet the farm on USC tonight.



Reverse jinx! YES!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 26, 2014, 04:16:16 PM
Bet the farm on USC tonight.



Reverse jinx! YES!

I saw the score roll by watching the end of the UW fiasco in bed and told my wife you must be good and happily drunk by now  :grin:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on October 26, 2014, 05:18:53 PM
That game was nuts. Largest crowd ever at a Utes home game and last second TD to win it.  Today I am hung over, hoarse, and sore from jumping around like a fool.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 26, 2014, 06:11:08 PM
That is the best.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on October 28, 2014, 10:21:16 PM
Heh, the 'Committee' rankings are just as arbitrarily garbage as the prior polls.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 28, 2014, 10:32:25 PM
Stop, the room is spinning.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on October 29, 2014, 10:56:15 AM
Todd Gurley gets 4 game suspension for something that will likely be legal in a few years.

NCAA, imposing penalties in the death throes.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on October 31, 2014, 03:12:51 PM
University of Michigan fires their AD (http://mgoblog.com/content/president-schlissel-announces-dave-brandons-resignation-jim-hackett-named-interim-ad)

Officially he's resigning, but that's what you always say when you fire your AD.

Michigan's football program is in tatters, so this is the first of what will probably be many pink slips.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on November 02, 2014, 12:53:02 AM
What a horrible way for Ole Miss to lose that game. If you haven't seen the Treadwell TD turned fumble, be prepared. That was both gruesome and horribly disheartening.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on November 02, 2014, 12:56:05 AM
I can't believe that poof couldn't hold onto the ball when his ankle was shattered into 47 pieces.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on November 02, 2014, 02:36:27 AM
I is sad panda. Good god I fucking hate those ASU douchebags.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 02, 2014, 09:29:50 AM
Whole day was horrible. The Dawgs get annihilated by a high school offensive scheme, and then Auburn wins yet again because Gus has obviously made a pact with Satan that they get to be involved in the national championship, but never win.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on November 02, 2014, 02:31:53 PM
I could see in that Ole Miss/Auburn game that there are a few guys on either side that are going to get serious consideration for NFL jobs. Treadwell, before his leg got snapped in about 300 places, was a real quick Harvin type. Senquez Golden may be short, but that fucker can cover and hit. I could see him being a good nickelback or safety at the next level. Sammy Coates should also get a look - receivers that tall with the ability to go up and get the ball even when blanket covered are just gold. Nick Marshall, however, is not even close to being one of those players. He may be slippery, but I have yet to see anything that makes me think he's anything other than a good college QB.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on November 02, 2014, 04:41:46 PM
I'm starting to feel hope for Big Game.  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 02, 2014, 05:01:27 PM
Ole Miss wasn't the team I was concerned about winning the SEC West at any point in time, mostly due to their QB.

Mississippi State has been my pick since the jump, mostly due to their defense and their QB (although he had a shitty day on Saturday).

Alabama is back in it, and as far as I'm concerned Auburn isn't. Auburn has to have MS State lose twice to Alabama and Ole Miss. Then, Auburn has to beat Alabama. I just don't see it happening unless they pull another ridiculous lucky streak.

Georgia now has to have Missouri lose a game somewhere, and they have to beat Auburn. The first thing is likely, the second thing isn't. If Missouri does the unthinkable and loses two games, then suddenly there's a 3-way tie of shit between Georgia-Mizzou-Florida, and they all have head-to-head round robin's against each other. At that point Florida could go based on divisional record.

So yeah, it's a complete mess in the East, and the West I think is down to Alabama and MS State.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on November 06, 2014, 12:03:23 PM
Man ESPN is trying to setup the two SEC team playoff so hard. They must be legit worried that the SEC won't win if they only get one spot.

Unless both FSU AND Sparty fail to win their respective conferences there should be zero shot in hell of the SEC getting a second team. Yes even if the SEC-West produces a champion and a second 1-loss team.

I've got a sinking feeling I'll be referring back to this post when the time comes. Also can't believe I need to root for Florida State now, yuck.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 06, 2014, 04:31:43 PM
Depends. The problem will be the Big Ten, which outside of three teams isn't serious this year.

Let's say Alabama beat MS State and has head to head and MS State has one loss. Alabama wins the SEC with one loss, and I think we agree there's zero chance the SEC champion Alabama gets left out.

There's zero chance in my mind that the committee doesn't put MS State having beaten four of their five ranked teams in over one-loss Michigan State who only won 2 of 3.

FSU would be in. Alabama in. MS State in. And I think if K State won out they'd be in for sure.

Oregon would be out due to their Arizona bad loss (because I think Arizona goes 8-4). TCU would be out because they lost to K State. If they don't lose? Then I think TCU battles with Oregon for the final slot.

I don't think Michigan State gets in because even if Alabama loses, Auburn could run the table and be one loss with 5 ranked wins, and a loss to the possible #1 team in the nation.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on November 06, 2014, 07:01:41 PM
I'd take 1-loss ND, 1-loss Mich State, whoever the P12 champion is or a 1-loss B12 winner over the Bulldogs with 1-loss. Side note: how annoying is it that two teams in the SEC have the same name?

A 1-loss Mississippi State has beaten Auburn and lost to Alambama. None of the other teams on their schedule are amazing but they did win a high pressure road game against Ole Miss to end the season and they beat a 3+ loss LSU team on the road awhile back which only counts as anything special because SEC.

tl;dr MSU beat one (at home) playoff conversation team and lost (away) to another. They won two conference road games against not-tin-cans. They played 0/4 even half real OOC games.

I'm sorry, if they had some statement win OOC or if they had really run a gauntlet of the SEC's best and won or something.

But they beat Auburn and lost to Alabama. They played nobody OOC and they did quite well but not enough to play in their conference's championship game.

For me that doesn't get you into the playoffs ahead of whoever wins very strong B12 and P12 gauntlets this year.

If Oregon completely self destructs and MSU barely wins versus tOSU and in their title game... Maybe that's a toss up between 1-loss MSU's.

If FSU was to somehow dumpster fire the rest of the season maybe you punish ND for that and you'd say its a toss up between 1-loss ND and 1-loss MSU. Otherwise ND beat everyone in front of them except FSU (at FSU) on that last play including playing away to ASU and USC late and winning.

But its obvious that the setup is in and as far a the committee/espn is concerned a 1-loss MSU should trump just about anything else with 1-loss. Because SEC. Which is bullshit.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 06, 2014, 10:23:13 PM
Well for starters the fact Mississippi State beat LSU means something because Wisconsin (a team that's ranked at this moment in the Big 10) couldn't do. Also LSU beat Ole Miss.

Here's the thing, if you beat a playoff conversation team, you're likely in the game unless you fuck up and lose to an unranked team. There just aren't that many conversation teams. Right now, ND doesn't have a good win. They have shitty win against Stanford. Whoopdedoo. Michigan State has no solid win, as I think their best is Nebraska, a team that's whooped up on a string of unranked garbage other than Michigan State.

If Oregon wins out, have you actually seen their schedule? It's really pathetic outside of Michigan State maybe Utah. Oh and lets not forget they lost to Arizona. That stings. However, if Arizona state wins out? I think they get in. Their schedule is much harder than Oregon, and they would have beaten the Ducks in basically an elimination game. Arizona State would likely push out MSU if Kansas State or TCU wins out. But I don't think Oregon would because of the Arizona loss. The reason K State would get the nod is because their only loss would be to Auburn.

I think the teams in the discussion are Alabama, MS State, Auburn, FSU, K State, Arizona State and TCU in varying degrees.

I think Oregon, Michigan State, and Notre Dame don't have enough to get in on paper even if they win out unless some other things change or they knock off the above teams.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on November 06, 2014, 11:52:01 PM
Arizona is very good this year and Oregon was pretty depleted at the time. That's the sort of thing the committee is supposed to be looking at, not just w/l.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on November 06, 2014, 11:55:58 PM
A 1-loss MSU that is second fiddle to Alabama has beaten:
-@LSU
-Auburn
-@Ole Miss in a rivalry final week elimination game.

Their only loss is to playoff lock Alabama away.

They go into playoffs on a 2-game winstreak.

A 1-loss Oregon has beaten:
-Mich. St
-@UCLA
-@Utah
Championship game vs a Arizona or LA school.

They go into playoffs on a 8-game winstreak.

A 1-loss Sparty has beaten:
-Neb
-tOSU
Championship game rematch vs Nebraska or vs WISC/Minn

Most importantly they've won every game except @ Autzen in week two. They go into playoffs on a 11-game winstreak.


A 1-loss ND has beaten:
-@ASU
-@USC (to end season, so pressure on)

Most importantly they've won every game except @ FSU down to the wire on a close penalty 5 weeks back. They go into playoffs on a 5-game winstreak.

A 1-loss Baylor (you didn't even mention them) has beaten:
-TCU
-@OU
-K-State in a final week elimination game.
5-game winstreak

A 2-loss, P12 winning Arizona team (for argument's sake, they need help) has beaten:
-@Oregon
-@Utah
-ASU in a rivalry final week game.
P12 Championship rematch vs Oregon (most likely) w/ their O-line back.
5-game winstreak.

I think that's pretty close to 1-loss MSU. The rest I don't think we should be having a discussion about.



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 07, 2014, 09:57:52 AM
Committee is choosing based on strength of schedule, head-head results, comparison of results against common opponents, championships won and other factors. They also say that every game matters. I don't think win streaks mean a damn to them, but we'll see if your point plays out.

I didn't mention Baylor because they have zero chance to get in after losing to West Virginia, and their ranking reflects that. I also don't think anybody want them in there because they all know that Baylor plays zero defense, and would get murdered by a team with any physical presence. They played great defense against shit, but when faced with a ranked team they are giving up 49.5 points a game. Still I think they lose to either K State or OU or maybe even OK St, so it'll be a moot point.

I don't think Mississippi State will have one loss, but we'll see. I think they win out. Alabama doesn't get in because I think Alabama is offensively flawed. They will lose to both MS State and Auburn in my mind.

I don't actually think the SEC gets two teams because MS State will win out, Alabama and Auburn will have two losses, and Georgia sucks this year at the QB position and defensively.

My guess right now is the committee will put in FSU, MS State, K State, and Arizona State or Oregon.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on November 07, 2014, 11:00:44 AM
I know very little about the college football system, but just based on the media hype and history, I'd say that most of the selection committee and the people who make money off of college football would kill for 2 SEC teams in the playoffs. They love them some SEC.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 07, 2014, 01:16:05 PM
I don't think the committee gives a shit about ratings. They are selected by a management committee of all the FBS commissioners and ND's AD. I seriously doubt the management committee gives a shit about promoting one conference over another unless it's their own.

The TV people care, but they aren't involved in this. They get to bid for the rights to broadcast the deal, but the only thing they care about is eyeballs. They will lobby for the teams that will get the biggest draw from fans.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on November 08, 2014, 07:23:11 PM
 :roffle: :roffle: :roffle:

Auburn just didn't want to win.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 08, 2014, 07:37:47 PM
That's not one I expected them to lose. Still, makes me happy since they were a fraud and everyone knew it.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on November 08, 2014, 07:38:25 PM
And yet this won't hurt the value of Alabama's win over Auburn should they win. It probably helped all the SEC teams that beat A&M (now that win is worth something) because all loses in conference play for the SEC are quality losses against top opposition.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 08, 2014, 07:39:55 PM
And yet this won't hurt the value of Alabama's win over Auburn should they win. It probably helped all the SEC teams that beat A&M because all loses in conference play for the SEC are quality losses against top opposition.

If Alabama loses to MS State it won't matter what happens with Auburn. You keep thinking they are going to put two SEC teams in. They aren't. This stuff solves itself in the meatgrinder.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on November 08, 2014, 09:58:28 PM
Yeah I'm an Ohio State homer but I think this JT Barrett kid is gonna be pretty good. 232 yards passing and 4 TD's (2 rushing 2 passing) against Michigan State at the half. Just wish Meyer had some semblance of a defense.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on November 08, 2014, 11:13:31 PM
Utah secures next week's top spot on the Not Top 10. 


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 09, 2014, 12:03:02 AM
The Big 10's fucked now in the playoff.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on November 09, 2014, 12:09:40 AM
Meanwhile Alabama, who needed some complete fixed officiating AND a moron of a kicker to get that win:
-calling that bullshit unsportsmanlike off the guy diving backwards off a half a shove
-that catch wasn't a catch to get the FG
-one super blatant PI and one looked like PI but that was a dumbass throw

Will get extra credit for their A&M win because A&M beat Auburn.
Will get extra credit for beating LSU because LSU taking them to OT proves they are legit (quality win over quality opponent in quality game).
Will not lose any credit for beating bitter rival Auburn despite them losing to shit A&M team.

Alabama and MSU are probably going to be 1-loss and they will both get put in. ESPN wills it.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on November 09, 2014, 02:28:26 AM
Utah secures next week's top spot on the Not Top 10. 

That was fucking painful. I saw it from the opposite 35 and was screaming my head off that the ball was live. Unfortunately nobody on the Utes listened to me. What a moron.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 09, 2014, 09:45:32 AM
Alabama and MSU are probably going to be 1-loss and they will both get put in. ESPN wills it.

You still think Alabama is going to beat MS State after what you just saw against LSU? I mean, their offense is garbage. MS State should light them up. They went to LSU and had a 34-10 lead in the 4th quarter. Then they let LSU slide back in as the defense went conservative, but they basically dominated that game. Alabama looked sloppy as hell. The committee saw their offense. I don't think Alabama has a championship offense, and it's going to get exposed in these last few games.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on November 09, 2014, 08:44:58 PM
Utah secures next week's top spot on the Not Top 10. 

That was fucking painful. I saw it from the opposite 35 and was screaming my head off that the ball was live. Unfortunately nobody on the Utes listened to me. What a moron.

I would be hard-pressed as a coach to not at least suspend that idiot, if not boot him off the team for good. That shit is just inexcusable.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on November 15, 2014, 07:28:50 PM
Heh, speaking of inexcusable, Peterson apparently didn't think he could waste 8 seconds in 3 snaps and handed it off when he could have just run out the clock with the QB taking 3 knees. Brilliant.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on November 15, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
I'll take it.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 15, 2014, 11:11:09 PM
Mississippi State forgot they were the number 1 team in the first half. By the time they figured it out, Alabama was too far ahead. Dak Prescott shit the bed. Ugh.

In other news, GO DAWGS!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on November 15, 2014, 11:46:16 PM
How many times did Dak Prescott keep the ball up the middle on 3rd fucking down and just run straight into the goddamn line? Way, way too much of that where the QB thought the read option meant there was no other option but running into a brick wall. It was clear after the first quarter that they really weren't going to get anywhere running the ball early. Of course, when the QB keeps throwing really bad fucking balls right to the defense, throwing won't really work either now will it? Also, your defense fails at open field tackles.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on November 16, 2014, 05:57:55 AM
The SEC is not exceptional this year but MSU never really stood a chance in this game. LSU loses to Arkansas showing that while they are a tough team that can play up to any opposition they aren't a very good team. A&M loses again to a Mizzou team that has not excited anyone all year. Auburn, Auburn gets fucking pasted.

As for MSU "forgetting" they were the #1 team.

It was on the road against opposition who just has better players top to bottom than anyone else in the country. They just have bigger stronger guys at every position and it takes a special team playing their good game to beat them if they aren't playing like shit as they have several times this season (@Ole Miss, @Arkansas & @LSU). Alabama's recruiting is ludicrous and you could see it on display that game in the size disparity on every pass and how they have linemen with the physical tools to blow up any block along both lines.

Prep yourselves for the two SEC teams bandwagon, its coming. Bet they drop MSU to #4 on Tuesday.

#1 Alabama
#2 FSU
#3 Oregon
#4 MSU
#5 TCU
#6 Baylor
#7 Ohio State
#8 Ole Miss (gotta move them up so that the MSU > Ole Miss win looks good)


Reminder that MSU's 2nd SEC berth resume's big wins are over LSU and Auburn who lost to a dog and got fucking blown off the field today. But they'll hype the shit out of the Ole Miss game even though Ole Miss is only a thing because they beat A&M before they were exposed and they willed out a win over Alabama (which is a hell of a feat no doubt). Those two teams that didn't look at that great today both got wins over Ole Miss.

A 1-loss MSU that is second fiddle to Alabama has beaten:
-@LSU
-Auburn
-@Ole Miss in a rivalry final week elimination game.

Their only loss is to playoff lock Alabama away.

They go into playoffs on a 2-game winstreak.


***

But in the interim Sparty lost to Ohio State, TCU barely got by Kansas, ASU lost to Oregon State (wtf @ that game, I turned it off bc it looked like ASU had figured things out) and ND shit the bed. So yeah MSU has had plenty of other dominoes fall their way.

I still take basically any P12 champ and Baylor/TCU over 1-loss MSU.

How Playoffs Should Be:
Undefeated FSU
SEC Champ
Any P12 champ except I guess USC (yes including Arizona, UCLA or ASU)
B12 1-loss (TCU or Baylor if either can make it)


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 16, 2014, 09:54:24 AM
I think if MSU played that game again, but without their stupid brain fart first half, they win. They dominated the second half 17-6. It was just too late, and Prescott threw 3 picks. You can't do that.

As for two teams in the SEC, yeah it's setting up that way now with all the losses. Arizona State losing, TCU looking awful against a terrible Kansas team (seriously TCU was favored by 28.5 points). Ohio State kept turning the ball over all day against the Gophers. Georgia blew the doors off Auburn. Arizona had all they could handle with a shitty Washington ton team. LSU couldn't function on the road against Arkansas after getting smashed up by Alabama. Nebraska got absolutely embarrassed by Wisconsin in their only real test of the season so far. Notre Dame, LULZ Northwestern in OT? Utah over Stanford who is now officially a hot mess. Georgia Tech showing Clemson is still a complete fraud. Duke getting upset by a terrible Virginia Tech team (Ohio state knows how that feels). And ranked A&M getting shown the door at home by Missouri, which hurt my Dawgs since we need a Mizzou loss.

It was a fucking bloodbath in the top 25. Unreal stuff. As for the SEC not being exceptional?  :oh_i_see: Okay who's the better conference this year? I mean who doesn't have some major warts. I get you don't like the SEC thing, but I don't think you'll find many people who make these decisions that say the SEC isn't top tier right now.

I still don't think that Auburn game is going to be easy for Alabama. It just never is, no matter how bad Auburn looked against Georgia on the road.

I think Ohio State gets in if the dominoes keep falling. The committee is begging for a reason to take FSU out, even if they lose in a championship game. Oregon is probably a lock at this point despite the Arizona loss. Alabama is a lock if they win out. I don't think Mississippi State is in unless they win against Ole Miss. I honestly think the committee doesn't want to put in Baylor or TCU at this point, given what's happening in that conference. Baylor's best wins are TCU and OU, and both teams struggled badly with terrible competition this week.

Ohio State needs MSU to lose or FSU to lose. Then they need Baylor to lose to Kansas State. I think they'd leapfrong TCU given where TCU's wins have finished the year. The OU, Ok State, and WVU wins suddenly don't look that impressive at all, and the Baylor loss looks bad if Baylor has two losses.

Auburn's out now, thank god. Ole Miss is out. Georgia is still in the discussion but they would have to beat Alabama in a title game and have MSU fall to Ole Miss.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on November 16, 2014, 01:44:07 PM
This whole season has been competitive. I hope it stays like this and we are done with the 4-6 undefeated teams at the end of the season. Hell at this rate, there will be a team or two in the playoffs with 2 losses.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 19, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
IT'S HAPPENING HOAX, TIME TO PANIC! SEC BIAS! TWO TEAMS IN THE TOP 4 WITH LOSSES AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

 :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on November 19, 2014, 12:33:56 PM
The clown face is appropriate for your clowny ass post I'll give you that. No shit its happening, I've been saying they would put 2 SEC teams in if they have two 1-loss SEC teams for two weeks.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 19, 2014, 08:19:34 PM
When we get done with this, if you can say that the two SEC teams honestly screwed over a team, I'll be open to it.

There's still a lot of key games left, thus the face. This shit will work itself out.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on November 19, 2014, 08:22:52 PM
I dunno, if picking a consensus #1 team was always too hard, how much harder is picking a consensus #4 going to be? I think there's always going to be a lot of whining and trauma about this unless they have a playoff big enough that you couldn't expect any of the teams on the bubble to really make it to the final anyway. Like where you're fighting over should your team be a 12 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament. And I don't see how you can do a tournament that big in college football. Too many injuries, too much time taken up, etc.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 19, 2014, 10:20:55 PM
I think at 8, it's perfect. You do champion auto-bids so no conference gets left out in the big 5, and the rest you seed with the committee at large.

Four is always going to be dumb because at minimum you're leaving a conference out. At least one group is bound to be pissed every year by nature.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 20, 2014, 11:11:06 AM
Just another side note, I think when we get done with this season, it will be seen as a success for the playoff, but when history views it I think this will be seen as a shitty football year.

There's no really huge names to speak of outside of Jameis Winston. The teams are, well to say even the "best" teams are flawed is being charitable. FSU looks like they are barely hanging on against ACC crap, Alabama has major offensive issues that only seem to show up against decent defenses, Oregon is giving up 32 points a game on the road and they lost to Arizona at home, MS State failed one of it's three major tests this year by losing to Alabama in an embarrassing fashion, TCU is hot garbage defensively on the road and should already have two losses, but they lucked out, Baylor lost a terrible game to West Virginia and their only real win is TCU unless you count a 3 loss OU team that is wildly overrated for beating nobody, Ohio State has probably the worst home loss in college football to a team that may not get to a bowl game, Ole Miss's claim to fame is beating Alabama and that's about it, Georgia has two of the worst losses in the SEC of any contender in addition to a shitty QB that can't throw and a RB who got suspended and now DL'd for the rest of the year, UCLA has two losses in their house and a defense that looks like a sieve unless they are playing Arizona, and Michigan State has literally lost every big game they've had except Nebraska who turned out to be the most overrated team in the Big 10 after Wisconsin beat their asses into oblivion.

Who is the national champion out of this mess? Can we crown nobody and just declare that this season sucks and is a down year after all the stars graduated the year before or got injured? Seriously, the Heisman is a joke this season. It's basically one guy and then a bunch of okay-but-maybes. Hell I can actually make a case for Nick Chubb, and he's barely played half the snaps if that at UGA. That's how weak this year is.

I'll put this up against 2007 as the worst year in college football in a decade. The year that LSU won the national title after losing to both Kentucky and Arkansas. They did it by drubbing a bad Ohio State team that lost to unranked Illinois and beat nobody higher than 23 in the polls. Garbage year. This may trump it. Also Tebow won the Heisman which shows you how dumb it was.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on November 22, 2014, 08:31:00 PM
I really hope Ab didn't go to that game.  That was miserable on all fronts from the Utes.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on November 22, 2014, 08:49:28 PM
I can't say it ultimately affected the outcome of the game, but that is the worst refereeing I can remember seeing in a Cal game.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on November 22, 2014, 08:51:35 PM
I really hope Ab didn't go to that game.  That was miserable on all fronts from the Utes.

Oh I was there. On top of it all I slipped standing up one time on the wet concrete and rammed my toe into the seat in front of me with my full body weight behind it (and that is alot). My big toe looks like it went 12 rounds with Ali.  

Congrats on making us look absolutely terrible.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on November 23, 2014, 01:23:26 AM
I can't say it ultimately affected the outcome of the game, but that is the worst refereeing I can remember seeing in a Cal game.

Apparently you can only hold if you are wearing red (we had shitty refs too).


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 23, 2014, 01:24:11 PM
Fucking Tennessee can't do us any favors. Missouri is going to be the worst SEC representative in the Championship game in years if they beat Arkansas. Whoever plays them will win by 30.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 26, 2014, 10:00:51 AM
These rankings are getting dumber and dumber. FSU is still in there, and I don't think they are remotely competent anymore. TCU is outside, and they should be in. Alabama is at the top which blows my mind since they've beaten Mississippi State? And, a whole bunch of unranked teams. I don't think they are that good. I still think Mississippi State is a better team on a neutral field.

Baylor is a joke and I hope they don't get in. Yes, they beat TCU in a complete barnburner. The rest of their schedule is ass so far. They get K State, and I hope they get beat. I'd actually put TCU in as it stands right now.

Ohio State probably gets in now even though their best win is Michigan State, who has proven at this point they were overrated as they've lost every ranked challenge except Nebraska.

On the eye test, I think all these teams suck. If I'm ranking them from least shitty who should be in right now, it's

1 - Oregon
2 - TCU
3 - MS State
4 - Ohio State

There's nobody who would do it that way though because it would leave Alabama and FSU out, even though I'm almost certain those teams are going to get upset in the playoff by whoever they faced.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on November 26, 2014, 11:02:56 AM
You can't keep an undefeated FSU out.

Their schedule is not awful and almost every undefeated team gets there with some lucky breaks and fluky bounces and comebacks against mediocre teams.

But we reward winning that's how it works.

Undefeated ACC Champion FSU is my #1 lock playoff spot.
SEC Champion 1-loss Alabama is my #2 lock playoff spot.
P12 Champion 1-loss Oregon is my #3 lock playoff spot.

From there it all starts to muddle depending on who wins where and by how much and how dominant did they look. But I'm highly opposed to MSU jumping a quality P12 (if someone upsets Oregon) or B12 rep. And if Ohio State handles Michigan and then handles Wisconsin in a title game I think they have earned the right ahead of MSU as well.

You can hate on Alabama all you want but they have insane lines on both side of the ball. Just in the size/speed/wingspan departments every play any one of their lineman can just take over the play. That's what happened to MSU so many of their running plays were just devoured by those guys because they are so big strong and fast. And its like that all over their roster. They just have the biggest players.

Yes Alabama is not great this year, they aren't a great team but they are like a Calapari UK team, they aren't the best team but they are the best players and even in football that means something when the gap is this big between alabama and everyone else.

I remember the CBS dicksuckers saying that Alabama has 2 players who play any kind of minutes that aren't 4 star or higher recruits on both sides of the ball. MSU had two 4-star recruits on their entire team. Because the rest of the top teams are pretty far from defensive powerhouses (except FSU which seems deeply flawed and plays worse every week) this is still Alabama's title to lose.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 26, 2014, 11:17:30 AM
Alabama is awful offensively against any team with a pulse. Their biggest blowouts are against Florida Atlantic, Southern Miss, Florida, Western Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas A&M. Those teams blow.

They average about 22 points against everyone else. MS State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, LSU, and West Virginia. Those are teams with a pulse. Only one of them I'd call "elite" and that team MS State had it's worst QB game of the year to lose.

Make no mistake, Auburn can beat this team. Nobody will believe it because Auburn's defense is awful, but their defense was just as bad last year. I think Auburn can win the game and knock Alabama out in a shootout. And everyone will act shocked because they've forgotten how good this Auburn offense can be against a slower, bigger defensive personnel.

I think FSU can lose too. I wouldn't be shocked if Florida gives them fits with their defense. I just don't know if Florida can score enough. However, if they can beat Georgia, they can beat FSU.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on November 28, 2014, 09:01:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif)

Hell, I'll take a 10 win season, but the potential here is delicious.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on November 30, 2014, 08:11:12 AM
When we get done with this, if you can say that the two SEC teams honestly screwed over a team, I'll be open to it.

There's still a lot of key games left, thus the face. This shit will work itself out.

Well Hoax, are you done whining yet? This stuff works itself out.

Sucks about JT tho. I never want to see that.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 06, 2014, 10:53:55 AM
That didn't go well for AZ the second time round.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on December 06, 2014, 10:05:40 PM
Our offense has been putrid since the USC game.  We only win if Nick Wilson gets going and the defense can get some takeaways, because Anu Solomon hasn't done shit since he sprained his arch. I'm not sure he's going to be a long term solution at this point, even though he had a spectacular season for a freshman.

Oregon, outside of a few red zone issues, played just about flawlessly.  Mariota really played well.

I expected this to be honest.  It would have taken a lot to get out of that game with a win.  I WAS STILL HOPING.  :awesome_for_real:



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 06, 2014, 11:45:04 PM
If Ohio State gets in playing their third QB because they ran it up on a below average Wisconsin team, that's going to show exactly how much Big Ten bias is in the room.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on December 07, 2014, 01:02:09 PM
Bama vs OSU

Oregon vs FSU



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on December 07, 2014, 01:29:09 PM
I think the Buckeyes deserve the spot just as much as TCU or Baylor, but truthfully they have no chance vs Alabama. The defense played great against Wiscy but that's a perfect matchup vs a run-heavy team with an inaccurate QB. Kiffin is going to rip that defense to shreds down the middle, and I don't think Cardale Jones will do much against Bama's defense. It's going to be a blowout but at least we'll get an 8 team playoff out of it in a few years.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on December 07, 2014, 01:51:58 PM
Big12 plays a championship game and Ohio St. is not even in the conversation. Frankly, IMHO, it was a toss up among TCU, Baylor, and OSU. I'd have given the edge to TCU for not losing to a shit team during the season, but any of those three is going to get grind up against the Bama defense. I am really hoping Oregon rips FSU apart and then gets slapped down by Bama. And I say this as an LSU alum.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 07, 2014, 05:25:25 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Abagadro/N9lWqsR%20-%20Imgur_zps2c2gfbo3.gif)


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 07, 2014, 05:38:38 PM
Money talks, Big 12 walks. Same as always.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on December 07, 2014, 08:16:20 PM
Money talks, Big 12 walks. Same as always.

This in spades.

OSU just has the fan base too big to leave out of the dance.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 07, 2014, 10:05:34 PM
Pretty much, the Big 10 is the reason we have the playoff in the first place. Because they were complaining about the SEC. They still do, pretty much all the time. Reference basically everything Hoax posted.

But in the end, the Big 10 has a giant fanbase that enjoys shitty football. And let's be honest, there's only one team they could remotely put in this contest, and it's Ohio State. It's never been anybody else even in the BCS era. They had a relevant run in the 90s, and then that league dried up fast.

At this point though, with the amount of money, and the amount of recruiting, and the amount of counter-recruiting, the best high school talent is being produced in warm weather regions, and convincing warm weather kids to play in the cold-ass, slow, run dominated Big Ten is a hard sell. Especially to young black kids who grew up in the South.

I seriously doubt that whatever system or whatever the playoff turns into if the Big Ten will ever truly be relevant beyond Ohio State. Because they haven't proven it in about 2 decades.

EDIT: Want some semi-hilarious coincidence? Check out how SB Nation ranked the conferences at the beginning of the year. They are in the exact same order as the playoff 1-4. http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/6/24/5832920/college-football-conferences-best-2014


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on December 07, 2014, 10:30:57 PM
If I was rankings king it would have been:

#1 FSU
#2 Alabama/Oregon (this would be really hard)

#4 Baylor (because I think they are B12 champs and B12 > B1G this year)

But I think that the Big-12 completely fucked themselves by:
1) Not having a championship game
2) Not even declaring Baylor champion

It was like they decided to dare the committee to put Ohio State in or something. I have no idea wtf that was about but if I was a Baylor fan I'd be majorly pissed at the conference mucky mucks.

Also the committee sure set this up by rating TCU so highly and holding Baylor down. But I don't think Ohio State would have gotten in had they not utterly crushed Wisconsin in that game. Which is stupid. We're back to the style point wins and running up the score. How the fuck is FSU #4/#3 for weeks? They are undefeated in a Power 5 and played A REAL NON CONFERENCE SCHEDULE, seriously their OOC is about twice as real as any other playoff team if not more so. OSU, ND and UF are all real programs. Nobody else in the playoff field even played 2/4 OOC games against real programs that I can think of.

FSU took ND's heart but they looked a real team at the time. OSU had a down year but they are a power-five bowl team. UF is a mess still but they took out UGA, they went 4-4 in a real conference, they lost to Gamecocks in OT and they lost to LSU by 3. That's miles above the tier2-6 schools that the rest of the field scheduled for 3 of their OOC games.

So undefeated and the realest schedule and no way is the ACC the shitty conference this year but they are #4? Fuck that what a joke.

So where Paelos sees a conspiracy to favor the Big10 all I see is Alabama getting the most favorable MU possible for their unearned #1 seed homegame in New Orleans. If they really wanted to do the Big10 a favor they would have put Oregon to #1 or Ohio State to #3 because I think if there was a match up the Buckeyes might have won it was versus Oregon where they would get strength (D-line) on weakness (O-line) in their favor. They wouldn't put an Ohio State team into a game against Alabama where they are horribly over-matched to continue the storyline of how Ohio State can't beat the SEC.

Seriously any realistic Ohio State fan is not thrilled at all about this outcome the vegas line should easily be over +10 by the time kickoff rolls around and the game is in the south like usual.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 08, 2014, 09:33:04 AM
If I'm ranking the four it would be

1 - Oregon
2 - FSU
3 - Alabama
4 - Ohio State

Alabama is seriously flawed. I've been saying that all year. Their defense is still very suspect to a team that can throw the deep ball and protect a QB, except they've played literally two of those teams in conference the regular season. And they lost one of them in Ole Miss. MS State, Auburn, and LSU are all running teams. Missouri's offense is total shit so it doesn't matter what they try to do.

The other passing team they played was West Virginia, and they gave the tide all they could handle. If West Virginia had a functional defense, instead of some 60th ranked subpar nonsense, they would have beaten Alabama early.

Alabama's extremely vulnerable through the air. They play coverages that can be beat on a deep ball. It happened several times in that Missouri game, it's just that Missouri sucks at everything else. But Ohio State is a running team first. It's a terrible matchup for them to face exactly what Alabama does well. That game is a disaster waiting to happen if Alabama gets an early lead, because you can't play catchup with that team if you aren't great at tossing the ball around. I mean that backup QB is going from Wisconsin's horrible defense to one of the best defenses up front in college ball. He'll see things he's never seen before, and Alabama's been there a lot. I don't think it's close at the end.

But Oregon? Alabama's going to have their hands full with Oregon. They can fling it and move it. Their defense is better. That's going to be a hell of a game if we get to see it.

By the way there's no conspiracy. Unless Ohio State shit the bed, they were going to get in that game. They have a brand and are in a conference that produces cashflow for this game. Baylor and TCU are nobody schools that produce jack and shit.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on December 08, 2014, 11:45:43 AM
I'm pretty OK with these matchups.  4-6 were all interchangeable cogs, IMO, and had equivalent resumes.  In the end it was easier to just side step the whole Baylor/TCU issue.

I'm kind of less thrilled to land Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl.  What's the upside of playing this team?  None that I can really see.  You win and it's because you were supposed to.  You lose and it's a sudden invalidation of your season and your conference. You're playing just to tread water in the end.  Although, at least with us, we're actually in big bowl for once.  I would have preferred to play someone like Mississippi (State or Ole) or Michigan State.

I worry in all of this that Oregon will do their standard "freeze up in any game of national importance" routine.  I also think Alabama's size will give them issues if it comes to that game.



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on December 08, 2014, 12:35:38 PM
LSU pulls Notre Dame. This should at least be interesting since my uncle is a pretty big Irish fan.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 08, 2014, 01:07:17 PM
I'm pretty OK with these matchups.  4-6 were all interchangeable cogs, IMO, and had equivalent resumes.  In the end it was easier to just side step the whole Baylor/TCU issue.

I'm kind of less thrilled to land Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl.  What's the upside of playing this team?  None that I can really see.  You win and it's because you were supposed to.  You lose and it's a sudden invalidation of your season and your conference. You're playing just to tread water in the end.  Although, at least with us, we're actually in big bowl for once.  I would have preferred to play someone like Mississippi (State or Ole) or Michigan State.

I worry in all of this that Oregon will do their standard "freeze up in any game of national importance" routine.  I also think Alabama's size will give them issues if it comes to that game.

That's Georgia playing Hawaii in the 2007-08 Sugar Bowl. No upside at all to that game. Yet, Georgia made it memorable by absolutely destroying them. You can always make a game memorable by blowing away a team and making a statement to the bowl committee as if to say, "Really you fuckers? We're still pretending these assholes belong?"

Because Boise State is awful this year. This isn't like days of yore when they beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. This is a Boise team that lost to Air Force (really), and got taken to the wire by Nevada. Then again, Arizona had a run-in with Nevada too. But Boise's state absolute best win is...uh...wow. Maybe Colorado State? That's not saying a ton.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on December 08, 2014, 01:24:02 PM
Here's 9 games, one of each Power-5 matchup from the non-playoff bowl slate. I picked the most balanced according to conference W-L games except the Wisconsin game because according to the polls Auburn is better so it serves a double purpose of checking for ranking bias and determining if the best conference (SEC) is actually that much better than the worst (B1G). Sadly the P12 and SEC have zero games against eachother this year, evenly matched or otherwise so that's why the 10th game is missing. Oh and the Clemson vs OU match up is not a fair one but its all that I see for ACC vs B12.

Miss St. vs G-tech

Duke vs ASU (could be Oregon vs FSU)

MSU vs Baylor

Nebraska vs USC

TCU vs Ole Miss

OU vs Clemson

Rutgars vs UNC

Auburn vs Wisconsin  (could be Ohio State vs Alabama)

UW vs Okla St.

I'll come back to this list when the dust clears and see who looks like the "best" conference according to "even" MU's between them.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 08, 2014, 01:34:19 PM
Win or lose, I still don't think non-playoff bowls prove anything. These games are all about who gives a shit, not about actual play. They are playing the top 4 conference champions in the playoff. That should decide the point.

I mean the SEC went 7-3 last year and had the best bowl percentage. They still lost the national championship. That's a failure in my eyes.



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on December 09, 2014, 01:04:49 PM
Kind of funny that Scooby Wright wasn't even a Butkus Award finalist.  Sure, put him up for everything else but the position he actually plays.



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 09, 2014, 08:31:14 PM
That's nuts. The dude is insanely good.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on December 09, 2014, 09:48:55 PM
That's nuts. The dude is insanely good.

It's just a weird omission, but I guess that's what you get with subjective awards.  He won the Nagurski and is a finalist for the Walter Camp (only defensive player named) and Bednarik. 153 tackles, 27 TFL, 14 sacks, and 6 forced fumble. And... he's a sophomore. Not bad for a 2 star recruit.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on December 10, 2014, 11:35:47 AM
Pretty much, the Big 10 is the reason we have the playoff in the first place. Because they were complaining about the SEC. They still do, pretty much all the time. Reference basically everything Hoax posted.

I just want to go back to this to point out how full of shit Paelos always is.

The playoff came from the ACC + SEC pushing for it. The B1G and PAC10 were the ones who didn't want playoff for a long time.

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After the BCS title game in January 2008, ACC commissioner John Swofford, also the BCS coordinator, said he would lead a "thorough" evaluation of a plus-one playoff model. In April, Swofford and SEC commissioner Mike Slive proposed the plus-one model, beginning in the 2010 season, to their colleagues at a BCS meeting in Hollywood, Florida.

The plan received little support from the others, and the BCS model remained for the 2010-13 cycle.

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Mike Tranghese (Big East commissioner, 1990-2009): SEC fans would point to 2004 and Auburn not getting in, but I thought 2003 was the most controversial, when USC got left out. Following that, we didn't go back in the room and say, 'There's a problem. There's gotta be a playoff.' We really focused on tweaking the system that was in place. There wasn't any talk about the playoff, primarily because the Big Ten and the Pac-10 had been very, very consistent in their opposition to a playoff. There had been no wavering ever.

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A couple people wrote that if I had voted the other way we would have had a plus-one. It's ridiculous. The Pac-10 and Big Ten voted against it and they weren't going to do it. Our group was not controlled by a vote. It was a voluntary association. It didn't matter how I voted. Other people voted against it for different reasons than me. I was cast as an anti-playoff person, which was a joke.

Why? Because the B1G and P12 had a tie in to the best bowl game in the bowl system and BCS bowl system the Rose.

Here's the PAC-12 guy saying the B1G only came around because they didn't want to be the ONLY opposition to the playoff:

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Scott: I think Jim [Delany] realized pretty early on that our position might change and the Big Ten couldn't be an outlier. As long as the Big Ten and Pac-10 were aligned, we could prevent it from happening, but he didn't want the Big Ten to be on its own. I think he saw the handwriting on the wall with our changing position.

tl;dr

As is so often the case, Paelos says shit in this forum as if he is authority and in actuality he's just 100% wrong. No conference was opposed to a playoff system more and for longer than the Big Ten. But don't let facts get in the way of your shit or anything Paelos its all because people were upset with the SEC, who had been pro-playoff since forever and were well out in advance with the ACC wanting a playoff.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12002638/an-oral-history-college-football-playoff






Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 10, 2014, 01:09:02 PM
So somehow you think that the Big Ten finally reversing their decision on being the major holdout reverses my point that they are the reason we have a playoff? Because I've got news, they are the reason we have a playoff. The SEC could have proposed shit until the end of time if the Big Ten didn't get their old asses out of the way, and stopped just complaining about the SEC and actually do something, we wouldn't have one.

Because I was aware of who was blocking shit. That's the point. The Big Ten always wants to have their way, and doesn't want to listen to the SEC about anything, and instead bitch and moan about things without offering a real alternative. Because they know which way things go if they let the SEC have it's way. The hilarious point is that it finally took not being in the discussion for what? 4-5 years? For them to come around to the idea.

The Big Ten was only delaying irrelevance. They have literally one program left that's worth a damn. They might as well rename the conference to Ohio State, and some other guys and stuff.

EDIT: I've never understood your odd vendetta against the SEC, other than the fact you as a fan also see the writing on the wall. Which is that the Big Ten simply won't be able to compete as a conference long term unless they seriously consider changing the way they do business. Ohio State is only relevant now because they hired an SEC coach to come run the ship.

EDITx2: I'm also always confused by your PAELOS IS WRONG stuff that seems to permeate some of your posts. I mean I get disagreeing with me about taking shots at the Big Ten, but it's so fucking easy a child could do it. The Leaders and Legends stuff could have practically been written by the Onion. How that ever got out of committee is beyond me. The fact the Michigan has shit the bed so hard just makes the story write itself now. Then you have rumors that the Duke coach turned down the job, followed by quick anti-rumors that they never spoke. But the problem is even if it didn't happen, it was actually BELIEVABLE that the Duke coach would tell Michigan to fuck off. That should never happen.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on December 10, 2014, 03:28:49 PM
Wow I should visit this thread more often, I see the tears have started early again  :why_so_serious:

Michigan needs to hire a non-transitional AD before they'll be able to hire a coach/staff that might get Michigan righted.

Hey Paelos, which SEC team do you want to ask you to the Winter Formal? Don't say Alabama, they've already got a date.

You can't "run up the score" in the first half of a football game. What you can do is utterly dominate the other team. Ohio State scored 21 points in the second half, and that's not "running up the score." Unless you're predisposed to hate the Big Ten.

The committee was watching the game, and that's why Ohio State is in the 4th spot.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 10, 2014, 04:08:36 PM
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Ohio State being in the game given the other choices. I've also said time and again I think Alabama is flawed. Mississippi State really let me down late in the season simply because they couldn't play competent defense, and turned the ball over a ton. I still think if you give up 30+ in a game, you deserve to lose in the SEC. Unless you're playing Auburn apparently.

If I got good odds on Oregon I'd probably take them right now to win it all. But it would have to be at least 3-1 to cover the "OH FUCK WE'RE IN THE SPOTLIGHT" and that's not going to happen. In likelihood of actually winning?

My odds would be:

Even money Alabama
2-1 Oregon
6-1 OSU
8-1 FSU


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on December 10, 2014, 05:27:46 PM
Hey, in my perfect world, Ohio State would win 10+ games in the regular season, including a rousing victory over a competitive Michigan program.
(And then probably lose to Oregon in the Rose Bowl.)
The national champion would be determined by whether the Huskers or the Sooners had won the most 77-0 games in their pathetic conference.

But, that's not the world we live in anymore.

I like a playoff better than the BCS. The BCS was still just a popularity contest, but with more money involved.

College football can't have a March Madness, so under the circumstances, I say a 4-team playoff is better than a poll.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hoax on December 10, 2014, 06:21:06 PM
So somehow you think that the Big Ten finally reversing their decision on being the major holdout reverses my point that they are the reason we have a playoff? Because I've got news, they are the reason we have a playoff. The SEC could have proposed shit until the end of time if the Big Ten didn't get their old asses out of the way, and stopped just complaining about the SEC and actually do something, we wouldn't have one.

 :why_so_serious: sure that's what you meant

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The Leaders and Legends stuff could have practically been written by the Onion. How that ever got out of committee is beyond me. The fact the Michigan has shit the bed so hard just makes the story write itself now. Then you have rumors that the Duke coach turned down the job, followed by quick anti-rumors that they never spoke. But the problem is even if it didn't happen, it was actually BELIEVABLE that the Duke coach would tell Michigan to fuck off. That should never happen.

Quote me where I defended any of these things. Which you cannot do because I never did. I never even spoke of them unless I made a "wow those are horrible stupid names" post at some point. Which I doubt I even bothered to do. I've never told anyone to not mock the big ten or anything remotely like that. What the fuck do I care? I was born and raised on the west coast. I have repeatedly said that SEC gets major ranking inflation and is overrated as a conference and that lately the ACC and B12 have been under ranked and their bowl performances prove it. Probably their regular season results too but its a lot harder to look at that up myself that bowl results which are all in one easy place to reference.

God you are a bad joke. Feel free to continue moving the goal posts around. Or why not claim nothing but the national championship matters in terms of proving which group of 10-14 teams is the best top to bottom. Again.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 10, 2014, 08:34:11 PM
God you are a bad joke.

See this is what I'm talking about. I honestly have no problem with you other than the fact you go off the deep end about the SEC or losing your shit over the fact the SEC could have gotten two teams in long before things got decided. Which they didn't.

I don't think you're a bad joke. You just continually show you have objectivity issues about the SEC. The Big Ten is conference that needs to honestly evaluate what the fuck they are doing and completely change their tactics in order to remain relevant. I hope they do, because it's more interesting when other teams are actually competing across the board. But the sheer old school blah blah blah we've done it this way forever, kiss our ass, sort of mantra makes the Big Ten undefendable right now in my mind. The Big 12 is good, but they need to realize they won't get anywhere without a championship game, and Texas/OU getting to be top-tier again. Also, they fucked themselves in the past with their revenue distributions, and that's why programs almost completely abandoned them to their own Texas-driven greed.

The PAC-12 is fine. It just happens to be in a late time zone, so a lot of people have no idea what goes on out there until bowl time.

But in the end we'd have no playoff if the Big Ten was winning. I firmly believe that. They were going to be the deciding factor in whether or not this thing came to pass, and they only decided to finally get on board when the writing was on the wall that they couldn't regularly put a team in the game under the BCS as constructed anymore. I don't think that's some CRAZY ASS PAELOS BEING ALL CONSPIRACY theory.

Nothing but championships matter to me as a fan, conference and national. It's why Georgia drives me fucking crazy when the fans get excited about 10 win seasons that produce fuckall titles.

However, I'll just keep pointing to the conference ratings every year about the SEC and just shake my head when we still have to belabor this conference strength point year after year. I remember in another year when I asked how many in a row would it take? Ten years of winning in a row? 8 of 9? 9 of 10? At what point does everyone just stop kind of put their crazy aside and just agree that the analysts aren't completely nuts for thinking the SEC is some of the best college football out there?

But goalposts, hate, clowns, etc. Shine on.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 12, 2014, 01:36:01 AM
Utes have the best punter in the nation as he wins the Ray Guy award!

It's actually been pretty wild watching this dude. He's an aussie who is just sick. He can kick it rugby style or straight punting and puts it absolutely anywhere he wants it. Utes won probably 2 games just because of our punter (plus D taking advantage, but the positional mechanics of what he was able to do were just amazing).

He is hilarious too.  He says punting is just "kicking bacon" because the ball is made of pig skin.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 12, 2014, 06:59:59 AM
There was some good competition for the award this year so it's impressive that he won it. The Alabama punter is going to win it soon, but the only problem is Alabama doesn't give him a ton of ways to show it off. Kid's good though.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 12, 2014, 04:17:03 PM
Top Ten most watched college games in 2014 (http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/the-10-most-watched-college-football-games-of-2014-121114)

4 are ACC
6 are SEC

FSU and Alabama dominated the coverage. If we're going by wet dreams of TV execs, that's who they want in the game, because anything else on primetime didn't touch games involving those two teams. The only game that didn't involve them was the A&M and Auburn game.

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For the sixth straight year the SEC on CBS was the most watched college football television package. This is significant because ABC is able to program the best games from the Big Ten, Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC in its evening primetime telecast and still can't beat the SEC's game of the week. The nation has decided it would rather watch SEC football than any other combination of conference or teams. Which means CBS's SEC package, only costing $55 million a year, is truly worth its weight in gold. That package of games will hit the market again in 2023-24 and promises to create a bidding war that CBS can't match.

The full ratings are here: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

If you look at them, it's interesting stuff. What stands out is how badly some of the primetime matchups on ABC did relative to that time slot. I do think they missed one though, I think the Michigan/Ohio State likely belongs on that list unless the rating number is wrong.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on December 17, 2014, 08:16:09 AM
Michigan vs Ohio State was only interesting to Michigan and Ohio State fans this year.
If Michigan's next AD doesn't have their head up their ass, maybe The Game will be interesting to an outside audience again. Three years, minimum.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 20, 2014, 03:54:01 PM
Utah is going to blow out Colorado State 64-0 at this pace.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 20, 2014, 07:12:23 PM
I'll take that performance.  Good season overall and hopefully can build next year since we have a lot of talent coming back.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 20, 2014, 07:43:34 PM
I expected Colorado State to show up. So did Vegas for that matter at a 3 point line.

Utah said NAH. The shocking part was the complete domination on defense from the Utes after the first quarter.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 20, 2014, 08:07:58 PM
I don't think they didn't show up. I think the Utes showed how good the Pac-12 South was this year.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 20, 2014, 10:42:16 PM
I don't think they didn't show up. I think the Utes showed how good the Pac-12 South was this year.

Well, the problem I have with that is the amount of explosive plays that Colorado State hadn't given up all year, and they gave them up right in the first quarter. Plus the loss of their coach.

Utah would have won regardless, as they showed they are much better. I just didn't expect it to be that lopsided.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 22, 2014, 07:02:28 PM
Ahahahaha. BYU loses its dogshit bowl and then gets into a huge brawl.  What a bunch of morons.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 22, 2014, 07:11:30 PM
Memphis was destroying them on defense. Just looked at the final score. Man nobody was playing defense.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 23, 2014, 12:43:34 AM
Pro-tip: when you are tiny white guy, don't run into a scrum and try to sucker punch a dude (in a helmet no less) when his pals are nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EJaETwDQRg


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 23, 2014, 07:45:04 AM
94 just laid that kid out!

Call a doctor!  :drill:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on December 23, 2014, 02:26:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEPgb5v3qZg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEPgb5v3qZg)  :drill:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ginaz on December 24, 2014, 12:29:39 AM
Can't have too much of a good thing. :awesome_for_real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a1QnVGtDg4&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Sir T on December 24, 2014, 09:53:26 AM
If I was 94 I'd have that look in his after he lays that idiot out framed on my wall  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 24, 2014, 10:07:12 AM
So great to watch a slow motion AW HELL NO


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 26, 2014, 04:15:54 PM
Illinois should have won that game. The fumble after the fumble killed them. Plus kicking. That's a bad loss for them.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 26, 2014, 04:57:17 PM
Our entire coaching staff seems to be falling apart despite a 9-4 season. Really weird.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Chimpy on December 26, 2014, 06:40:50 PM
Illinois should have won that game. The fumble after the fumble killed them. Plus kicking. That's a bad loss for them.

Correction, they should never have BEEN in a bowl game.



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 26, 2014, 07:16:30 PM
Well there's that too, but they had a shot at a win in that disaster.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 26, 2014, 07:20:25 PM
This Rutgers/UNC game is pretty much exactly the kind of game where you can tell which team actually gave a shit. Rutgers is blowing the doors off UNC and there's absolutely no reason for that.

UNC looks like they've given up since the game in NC State. No motivation at all.

EDIT: And finally UNC realizes they are in a bowl game down 40-7 and starts scoring points and kicking onside kicks.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 27, 2014, 07:17:27 PM
Shocker of the day for me has to be a 6-6 Virginia Tech beating a 9-3 Cincy team. VA Tech's defense is great, but their offense had major issues. But the thing that always comes into play for VA Tech in bowl games that I forgot about was the special teams. They really do make a difference.

Spurrier saves himself from his only losing season since his first year coaching at Duke by winning against Miami.

Arizona State ALMOST got embarrassed by Duke. It was literally one fade pass away. No defense on that team until the last second.

I hope Boston College beats Penn State because I just don't like Penn State, but this game is hard to watch.

I have no idea what to expect in Nebraska and USC. If Nebraska shows up it might be fun. If not, good lord it will be a bloodbath.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 27, 2014, 08:22:36 PM
College kickers. Geez. How can you shank and xp that bad, BC?


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 27, 2014, 08:41:27 PM
That turf was shit, but he has missed like 8 this year.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 27, 2014, 11:50:20 PM
Nebraska apparently hates their kicker because they just kept going for it constantly, where if they kicked they probably win the game.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 30, 2014, 03:08:31 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

klahoma where the team gets blown out by 34.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 30, 2014, 03:24:57 PM
Big-12 showing up in post-season in its typical fashion.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 30, 2014, 03:35:03 PM
I feel like OU playing in a BCS bowl they wanted to prove something.

OU playing in a small bowl didn't give a shit. Two three and outs and two picks in the first quarter? They simply gave up after that. Trevor Knight also played like Johnny Football on quaaludes.

Going into the bowl game tonight with UGA, I can say there's a solid chance we get our asses handed to us due to what I'm hearing out of campus. Our OC is gone, the head coach doesn't want to call plays and has the TE coach doing it, we're in a shitty bowl named after a fucking department store, there's supposedly a ton of animosity between our AD and Richt due to letting Bobo go and not paying the assistants, and we're playing a team with a DC that would love to absolutely stick it to his old boss.

If we win, it will be because the coaches settled these guys down and got them prepared. Louisville is in no way shape or form better than Georgia, but this is a game that has zero upside. If we win, who cares? If we lose, it's a fucking joke.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 30, 2014, 06:13:44 PM
LSU didn't remember they played defense until the second half apparently. Plus they got absolutely screwed out of a TD by the refs. All around a bad look for that team.

The biggest problem for LSU if they have no real QB. Neither does UGA. It's why I'm concerned that if the running game isn't sharp, the Dawgs will pull this same crap today.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on December 30, 2014, 07:34:04 PM
LSU didn't remember they played defense until the second half apparently. Plus they got absolutely screwed out of a TD by the refs. All around a bad look for that team.

The biggest problem for LSU if they have no real QB. Neither does UGA. It's why I'm concerned that if the running game isn't sharp, the Dawgs will pull this same crap today.

Offense has been horrible this year all around and the defense has been green. I like Les Miles, but I think he should have pulled the trigger on the UM job. I think his magic has run out down south.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 30, 2014, 10:11:21 PM
Georgia came out really prepared, and Nick Chubb is a beast. We took Louisville's vaunted #3 in the nation rush defense to the woodshed. I'm extremely happy about that. Shows what kind of crap the ACC has been playing this year.

Anyway Lilly called a great game in Bobo's absence and things looked like they flowed even without our first stringer QB. All in all, positive signs.

Nick Chubb though. ESPN should be talking about this kid.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on December 30, 2014, 10:26:30 PM
LSU has been getting by on a great recruiting footprint since Nick Sabean left. Les Miles is 17 shades of crazy and I'm amazed he still has a job.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on December 31, 2014, 12:47:45 PM
I think Ole Miss is going to get creamed in this game against TCU. Everything that TCU does well, Ole Miss can't stop.

Arizona should roll over Boise because Boise sucks this year.

I want MS State to clobber GA Tech, because Tech usually blows it in bowl games when people have a long time to prepare for their high school offense. However, Dak has been garbage in the final quarter of the season, so who knows.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 31, 2014, 01:04:31 PM
Tebow is surprisingly not terrible as a color guy for someone who hasn't done it much.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on December 31, 2014, 01:25:11 PM
Ole Miss is going to have to kill Boykin to have any chance in this.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 31, 2014, 02:42:06 PM
This might leave a mark SEC West.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on December 31, 2014, 02:52:48 PM
Yowch. 42-0 in the 3rd. Surprise, surprise, Bo Wallace is getting his shit pushed in.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on December 31, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12103626/defensive-coordinator-john-chavis-heading-texas-aggies-lsu-tigers

Ugh... Chavis leaving for A&M. So much for my Tigers doing much of anything in the next 10 years.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on December 31, 2014, 04:33:02 PM
What a fantastic start to this game.  :argh:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 31, 2014, 04:50:43 PM
Playing Boise in the Fiesta is a doomed proposition it seems.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on December 31, 2014, 06:18:18 PM
Wilson's out. Game is over.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on December 31, 2014, 11:36:12 PM
S-E-C! S-E-C!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on January 01, 2015, 02:44:35 AM
452 rushing yards? REALLY?


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 01, 2015, 10:36:55 AM
Both Mississippi teams just got worked. GA Tech is good this year, as Georgia witnessed up close. They aren't as good as Dak and the MS State defense made them look, but if you don't practice gap integrity at all, or look like you didn't even practice against the triple option, you're going to be annihilated.

Boise shocked me. I expect Arizona to show up. They came out completely flat and that cost them the game. If they played like they did in the second quarter going forward, they win that game handily, but they set the bar too high for a comeback.

Ole Miss got crushed as expected. Bo Wallace had no interest in participating in that game, and it showed. God what a tool. He let his entire team down with that performance.

I expect Alabama to beat Ohio State, but if they don't it will be literally the most crushing blow the SEC has had in years. It will also mark the end of the dominance of the conference in my mind. Having lost two championships in a row. Because this was a terrible year around college football as a whole, and if they can't beat a 3rd string QB? The conference as a whole will need to reevaluate where they stand.

Plus side, the SEC East that everyone thought was such garbage has won their bowl games. If they win out and the SEC West shits the bed, I'm going to laugh.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on January 01, 2015, 08:03:54 PM
PAC-12 stronk!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on January 01, 2015, 08:05:05 PM
My whine for today is that there's a Pac-12 and Big 10 team in the playoff, and the Rose Bowl is a playoff game this year, and they're not playing each other.  Who gives a shit about seeding in a 2 round tournament? :heartbreak:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Trippy on January 01, 2015, 10:32:54 PM
Spencer should be the QB for Ohio State.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 01, 2015, 11:26:57 PM
Alabama is toast. Lane Kiffin won't stop throwing. I honestly have no idea what the fuck he is doing.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on January 01, 2015, 11:43:03 PM
Alabama is toast. Lane Kiffin won't stop throwing. I honestly have no idea what the fuck he is doing.

Nah I think Bama pulls this out. OSU has a lot of freshmen and sophomores out there. A lot of talent but I think the Tide has too much "been there done that" mental toughness.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 02, 2015, 12:23:38 AM
Nope. Alabama lost their minds and thought they had Tom Brady at qb.

Meanwhile Cardale was amazing. Kid had a legendary performance that will live in Osu lore.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on January 02, 2015, 12:29:36 AM
Not over yet with that idiotic pass play on first down.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on January 02, 2015, 12:31:30 AM
Not over yet with that idiotic pass play on first down.

Herman has been calling stupid shit all night


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on January 02, 2015, 12:33:25 AM
I don't think I've seen a worse managed last 3 minutes by a team in a long time. Safeties jumping routes, passing when the other team only has two TO's. WTF.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on January 02, 2015, 12:38:58 AM
Why the hell was that guy running around with the interception? Was still live for no reason.   Jeez OSU got lucky there.  I think Oregon destroys them.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Abagadro on January 02, 2015, 12:41:25 AM
As a bonus, every ranked team in the SEC West lost its bowl game.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 02, 2015, 12:42:55 AM
SEC dominance is dead. That era is over.

The rest of the league has caught up and the great sec defenses are long gone.

The conference needs to get back to taking defense seriously again. Alabama isn't that great and i said it numerous times, they just really showed it tonight.

Meanwhile still a chance for the shitty sec East to win all our bowl games.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on January 02, 2015, 02:04:51 AM
THIRD STRING QUARTERBACK. KEEP SAYING IT.

That game wasn't as close as the score indicated. Ohio State spotted Bama two touchdowns early, before their offense featuring a THIRD STRING QUARTERBACK settled down and rolled the tide.

Now the Big Ten 11 12 14 winner shall face off against a representative of the Pacific conference for the national championship, as tradition demands.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 02, 2015, 08:57:25 AM
Oregon is going to have a completely different Gameplan for him now. The secret is out.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on January 02, 2015, 11:20:21 AM
THIRD STRING QUARTERBACK. KEEP SAYING IT.


Can we borrow one? Everyone of your QBs would be better at running our offense than the one we have currently.   Seriously, how the hell do you end up with that much talent at one position.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on January 02, 2015, 11:36:06 AM
THIRD STRING QUARTERBACK. KEEP SAYING IT.


Can we borrow one? Everyone of your QBs would be better at running our offense than the one we have currently.   Seriously, how the hell do you end up with that much talent at one position.

Tom Herman I think would be the answer to that. Some of his playcalls in the red-zone were mind-boggling (though I guess the bomb with 2 minutes left was Meyer's call, according to him), but that offense is coached up. The offensive line looked fantastic. My head says Mariota tears apart that defense but after Sparty, Wisconsin, and the Sugar Bowl I'm not picking against Urban again.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on January 02, 2015, 01:19:21 PM
Alabama isn't that great and i said it numerous times, they just really showed it tonight.

I could tell that when I saw them play Mississippi State. They BARELY won that game and that was with Prescott shitting the bed for 3 quarters and Dan Mullen continuing to run directly into the teeth of a defensive line that was dominating his offensive line. I didn't watch the bowl games but I'm happy to see Nick Sabean get slapped down again.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on January 02, 2015, 02:00:47 PM
Alabama isn't that great and i said it numerous times, they just really showed it tonight.

I could tell that when I saw them play Mississippi State. They BARELY won that game and that was with Prescott shitting the bed for 3 quarters and Dan Mullen continuing to run directly into the teeth of a defensive line that was dominating his offensive line. I didn't watch the bowl games but I'm happy to see Nick Sabean get slapped down again.

I am with ya on the Saban slapdown. Also bonus for FSU coming back down to Earth in meteoric fashion. I am glad for the playoff system, but it needs to be expanded to 8 teams. TCU got a thumb in the eye this year.

Now I am going to have to hear about tOSU all fucking week from all my hometown asshats claiming the selection committee is now justified since they beat Bama. Not going to be fun.

And I am not pulling the rug out from under the SEC west just yet... at least not for the top half. I think the other conferences are just about level with them now which is fine by me. Makes the sport much more fun to watch when there are not juggernauts dominating year after year.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on January 02, 2015, 04:49:12 PM
THIRD STRING QUARTERBACK. KEEP SAYING IT.


Can we borrow one? Everyone of your QBs would be better at running our offense than the one we have currently.   Seriously, how the hell do you end up with that much talent at one position.

Sure go ahead. Pick one. (https://twitter.com/smartfootball/status/550858793719201792)


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Chimpy on January 12, 2015, 05:15:40 PM
Why the fuck is the title game not on broadcast TV?


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Trippy on January 12, 2015, 05:44:50 PM
Pay somebody enough money and they don't care if people can't watch cause the extra money makes up for the lost ad revenue.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on January 12, 2015, 05:49:52 PM
What channel is it on?


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on January 12, 2015, 06:08:39 PM
Every single ESPN creation in existence.  Bill Simmons will be streaming on Twitch as a bonus. 


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 12, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
I'm interested to see how the ratings will be for the game that doesn't have an East or South contingent, and it's on cable, spread across a billion channels.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on January 12, 2015, 07:30:18 PM
Why the fuck is the title game not on broadcast TV?

My dad, who still refuses to get cable (although he talks about it every time I see him) will be unthrilled. IMO if they are getting any sort of public money, that shit should be on broadcast TV. So anyone who built a stadium with public funds? Any public universities? Anyone who is EXEMPT FROM ANTI-TRUST LAWS? There should be a local affiliate broadcasting ESPN's stream at minimum.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Chimpy on January 12, 2015, 07:40:02 PM
ESPN app on my appletv is letting me watch sports center and the pregame (I had registered it on my moms cable account to watch the Packers play on MNF in December), hopefully it will let me watch the game. Though I have my doubts as I got to watch about three plays in the Rose Bowl before it booted me off for not being authorized.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Chimpy on January 12, 2015, 08:18:10 PM
I predict the ucks will win!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on January 12, 2015, 08:19:10 PM
Why the fuck is the title game not on broadcast TV?
Same reason the Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl weren't. ESPN/ABC/Disney are cocks.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on January 12, 2015, 08:24:25 PM
Ohio State, 45-37.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on January 12, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
Bad call by Oregon. It's the second quarter. Swallow your pride and take the 3.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on January 12, 2015, 11:23:42 PM
Red zone field goals are sub optimal.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Trippy on January 12, 2015, 11:36:21 PM
It's over for Oregon now.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on January 12, 2015, 11:37:45 PM
It's over for Oregon now.


if only that was for good. Fuck Phil Knight. Fuck Oregon.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on January 12, 2015, 11:57:28 PM
Red zone field goals are sub optimal.

Ohio State took two red zone FGs on their first two possessions in the Sugar Bowl. 3 points is sub optimal, but so is zero points.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2015, 12:08:38 AM
Urban has to be the best coach in college football. My God. 4 turnovers and still win by 3 touchdowns.

Edit: Obligatory  :thumbs_up: :rock: :yahoo:



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on January 13, 2015, 12:10:34 AM
Miller Time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha6roJfoGjc)


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Triforcer on January 13, 2015, 12:16:06 AM
WOOOO GO BUCKS!

And to start the discussion that will consume Columbus, give Cardale the job come August.  Barrett is great, Miller is fine, but it factor in big games trumps all.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on January 13, 2015, 12:28:19 AM
Red zone field goals are sub optimal.

Ohio State took two red zone FGs on their first two possessions in the Sugar Bowl. 3 points is sub optimal, but so is zero points.


Ohh, that wasn't in response to your comment.  Oregon just couldn't put anything into the end zone from close in.  Been an issue with them all year.

They got handed a lot of gifts and just didn't convert them into anything special outside of that long bomb.  I don't remember Chip Kelly offenses being this awful in the red zone.

edit: Not to take anything away from Ohio State.  They won this more than Oregon lost it. Without those fumbles, this could have gotten nasty much earlier.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on January 13, 2015, 07:47:38 AM
WOOOO GO BUCKS!

And to start the discussion that will consume Columbus, give Cardale the job come August.  Barrett is great, Miller is fine, but it factor in big games trumps all.


It's a good problem to have  :grin:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2015, 07:49:44 AM
Ohio State winning pretty much solidified Urban Meyer as on par with Nick Saban as the two best coaches in CFB right now. There's nobody else really close. Saban has 4, Urban has 3. Everyone else is has 5 since Ohio State won their last title game.

So it's those two coaches lapping the field.

That being said, I'll take a moment to hate on this college football season one last time. You had a team with a 3rd string QB win against the Heisman trophy winner team. You had a team win the NCG who lost to one of the worst Virginia Tech teams in the last 2 decades. The other team in the game lost to Arizona, and beat one of the most overrated undefeated teams of all time. That should be remembered as one of the worst seasons we've had since 2007. You shouldn't be able to win a National Championship facing decent competition with your 3rd string QB anywhere. Yet it happened. It won't be remembered that way by OSU fans right now, but I think when we look back on it, people will think, "Oh yeah that was that year a 3rd stringer won the championship. How crazy was that? Everyone really tripped over their dicks on that one."

The talent coming out of college football lately, especially at the QB position is way down. The product on the field looks really bad and overmatched on a week to week basis. I'm not sure how this happened this quickly, but I blame a lot of it on the offensive schemes and the obsession with offense over defense that college programs have now. The teams that are winning are doing it with better defenses and better running attacks than everyone else. I mean Ohio State was 19th in total defense, while Oregon was 89th at the end of the season. It wasn't close, and Oregon isn't talented enough to make up for getting hit in the face. We forget this every year it seems.

In the end, the better team won. But I really really wanted to see a match between TCU and Ohio State now. Those looked like the two best teams in the nation after the dust cleared.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Hutch on January 13, 2015, 08:25:39 AM
Ohio State winning pretty much solidified Urban Meyer as on par with Nick Saban as the two best coaches in CFB right now. There's nobody else really close. Saban has 4, Urban has 3. Everyone else is has 5 since Ohio State won their last title game.

So it's those two coaches lapping the field.

That being said, I'll take a moment to hate on this college football season one last time. You had a team with a 3rd string QB win against the Heisman trophy winner team. You had a team win the NCG who lost to one of the worst Virginia Tech teams in the last 2 decades. The other team in the game lost to Arizona, and beat one of the most overrated undefeated teams of all time. That should be remembered as one of the worst seasons we've had since 2007. You shouldn't be able to win a National Championship facing decent competition with your 3rd string QB anywhere. Yet it happened. It won't be remembered that way by OSU fans right now, but I think when we look back on it, people will think, "Oh yeah that was that year a 3rd stringer won the championship. How crazy was that? Everyone really tripped over their dicks on that one."

The talent coming out of college football lately, especially at the QB position is way down. The product on the field looks really bad and overmatched on a week to week basis. I'm not sure how this happened this quickly, but I blame a lot of it on the offensive schemes and the obsession with offense over defense that college programs have now. The teams that are winning are doing it with better defenses and better running attacks than everyone else. I mean Ohio State was 19th in total defense, while Oregon was 89th at the end of the season. It wasn't close, and Oregon isn't talented enough to make up for getting hit in the face. We forget this every year it seems.

In the end, the better team won. But I really really wanted to see a match between TCU and Ohio State now. Those looked like the two best teams in the nation after the dust cleared.

I debated whether to rebut yet another bitter, excuse-making Alabama-lost post from you, but I'm just going to say Cry More Inevitable Tears and see you in September  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Malakili on January 13, 2015, 08:42:34 AM
We forget this every year it seems.


There is just way more variance in the quality of teams, and even the quality of play within a defense, than there is in the NFL.  It's because they are amateurs, but physical superiority can take you a lot farther in the college game than it can in the NFL.  So when Oregon puts up 40 and 50 and even 60 points a game, they can get away with it because they are just straight faster.  Even against the good defenses there are likely to be lapses because the players aren't as disciplined and good at playing the schemes.

But when a team actually can put a few defensive performances in a row together, it really stands out.

But it's basically the same reason the QBs coming out lately are garbage.  They get put in that position because they are the best athlete in their high school and the coaches want them to have the ball in their hands every down.  I mean, that's fine, but they just get used to relying on that because they can (see also: Johnny Manziel).   When they get to the pros and EVERYONE is as big and strong and fast as they are, the whole thing breaks down.  It's just really hard to play QB in the NFL compared to college and the same skillsets aren't equally valuable in both places.  It's why Russell Wilson is a successful NFL QB and RG3 isn't, despite the reverse being true (more or less) when they were in college.

I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here, it's just that the defense issue and the QB issues seem very connected to me.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on January 13, 2015, 08:58:33 AM
Ohio State winning pretty much solidified Urban Meyer as on par with Nick Saban as the two best coaches in CFB right now. There's nobody else really close. Saban has 4, Urban has 3. Everyone else is has 5 since Ohio State won their last title game.

So it's those two coaches lapping the field.

That being said, I'll take a moment to hate on this college football season one last time. You had a team with a 3rd string QB win against the Heisman trophy winner team. You had a team win the NCG who lost to one of the worst Virginia Tech teams in the last 2 decades. The other team in the game lost to Arizona, and beat one of the most overrated undefeated teams of all time. That should be remembered as one of the worst seasons we've had since 2007. You shouldn't be able to win a National Championship facing decent competition with your 3rd string QB anywhere. Yet it happened. It won't be remembered that way by OSU fans right now, but I think when we look back on it, people will think, "Oh yeah that was that year a 3rd stringer won the championship. How crazy was that? Everyone really tripped over their dicks on that one."

The talent coming out of college football lately, especially at the QB position is way down. The product on the field looks really bad and overmatched on a week to week basis. I'm not sure how this happened this quickly, but I blame a lot of it on the offensive schemes and the obsession with offense over defense that college programs have now. The teams that are winning are doing it with better defenses and better running attacks than everyone else. I mean Ohio State was 19th in total defense, while Oregon was 89th at the end of the season. It wasn't close, and Oregon isn't talented enough to make up for getting hit in the face. We forget this every year it seems.

In the end, the better team won. But I really really wanted to see a match between TCU and Ohio State now. Those looked like the two best teams in the nation after the dust cleared.

I debated whether to rebut yet another bitter, excuse-making Alabama-lost post from you, but I'm just going to say Cry More Inevitable Tears and see you in September  :awesome_for_real:

Well he is not wrong - no one is really translating to NFL quality (offense) anymore because competition on the other side of the ball is so meager.

and he is a Bulldogs homer, not a Tide fan. tOSU ramped up their game at the end of the season and beat a string of great teams. Kudos to them. I still loathe them, mainly for their fanbase and Myer. That said, they showed they were the best team this year at the right time.

This was a paradigm changing season in that record/strength of schedule has become only a part of the story instead of the only story. Growing pains and what not.

One thing I will say is that this has been the most jumbled college season since 2007. At least everyone was still sorta in it till the very end. I am ok with that chaos, but can see how it will drive other people batty.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2015, 08:59:23 AM
I debated whether to rebut yet another bitter, excuse-making Alabama-lost post from you, but I'm just going to say Cry More Inevitable Tears and see you in September  :awesome_for_real:

No tears here, I just think the Ohio State story of OMG A THIRD STRINGER WON A TITLE! That has a flipside. It would never happen in another season. Because those teams would be talented enough to stop it. Like VA Tech apparently? I mean how did that happen?

And I don't like Alabama at all. They are THE reason Georgia din't win a national title.

EDIT: I think Ohio State is the force of that conference, as I'd said before. They are everything now the Big 10 hasn't been in the 10 years prior to Urban showing up. They recruit everywhere, they pull in talent from the biggest football states (California, Texas, Florida, Georgia) I still don't see how other teams are going to keep up with what they are doing, unless Harbaugh pulls a magical rabbit out of his ass.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2015, 10:17:47 AM
Yet it happened. It won't be remembered that way by OSU fans right now, but I think when we look back on it, people will think, "Oh yeah that was that year a 3rd stringer won the championship. How crazy was that? Everyone really tripped over their dicks on that one."

Depends on how Cardale Jones pans out. If he goes on to win the starting job and wins a Heisman or is drafted #1 it becomes more that OSU had an embarrassment of riches at QB. He's got all the tools to be a HOF pro qb - height, howitzer arm, quick release, accurate with touch, cool under pressure, etc. The only question is if he's got it between the ears.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2015, 10:21:29 AM
Yet it happened. It won't be remembered that way by OSU fans right now, but I think when we look back on it, people will think, "Oh yeah that was that year a 3rd stringer won the championship. How crazy was that? Everyone really tripped over their dicks on that one."

Depends on how Cardale Jones pans out. If he goes on to win the starting job and wins a Heisman or is drafted #1 it becomes more that OSU had an embarrassment of riches at QB. He's got all the tools to be a HOF pro qb - height, howitzer arm, quick release, accurate with touch, cool under pressure, etc. The only question is if he's got it between the ears.

I'll disagree with you on one point. Nobody I've seen come out of college or currently in college since Luck has the tools to be a HOF pro QB yet.

Jones may pan out to be fantastic. But there's something to be said about enduring a whole season, and teams getting more tape/eyes on you. You never know how that goes season-to-season after a NCG win. Complacency, bickering, NFL losses creep up.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2015, 10:40:05 AM
Yet it happened. It won't be remembered that way by OSU fans right now, but I think when we look back on it, people will think, "Oh yeah that was that year a 3rd stringer won the championship. How crazy was that? Everyone really tripped over their dicks on that one."

Depends on how Cardale Jones pans out. If he goes on to win the starting job and wins a Heisman or is drafted #1 it becomes more that OSU had an embarrassment of riches at QB. He's got all the tools to be a HOF pro qb - height, howitzer arm, quick release, accurate with touch, cool under pressure, etc. The only question is if he's got it between the ears.

I'll disagree with you on one point. Nobody I've seen come out of college or currently in college since Luck has the tools to be a HOF pro QB yet.

Jones may pan out to be fantastic. But there's something to be said about enduring a whole season, and teams getting more tape/eyes on you. You never know how that goes season-to-season after a NCG win. Complacency, bickering, NFL losses creep up.

No doubt. OSU returns 36 out of 44 on the two-deep next year - they'll be unanimous preseason #1 and on paper they should destroy everyone but like Tebow said last night defending it is way harder than getting there.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2015, 10:48:39 AM
Ohio State is always a force because I believe they are so far ahead of their conference they only have to treat about a third of their schedule seriously. Three ranked games this year, they won em all. Lost the VA Tech game which, like the Missouri loss to Indiana, I will never understand how the hell it happened.

If Michigan gets traction, the Big 10 will get some more competition. Same for Michigan State and Wisconsin. They need 6-7 teams that can really compete and win to force recruiting battles with Urban Meyer. Because as it stands right now about 10 of those teams aren't anywhere close to winning the Big 10.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on January 13, 2015, 11:53:57 AM
I don't know much about college football, but I blame the goddamn spread offense for killing the quality of college QB's coming out of the NFL. It feels like the running games get ignored for option style runs, passes are all like screens, 5 yard dinks and crossing routes with very rare deep bombs, tight ends are all flexed out if they are even on the field, there are no fullbacks or really any backs doing much pass protection so usually the QB has to be the best athlete on the field because he's going to be running for his life from every blitz. It's like the bastard special needs child of the run and gun.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Chimpy on January 13, 2015, 12:03:35 PM
But having a running game is boring football!


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2015, 01:41:55 PM
I sort of hope it continues and the NFL gets pissed about it.

Because if their product suffers due to a lack of competent talent, they will start a D-League of their own. And then shit will get REALLY fun when the college game gets exposed.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Ingmar on January 13, 2015, 04:08:16 PM
Going for it on 4th down was not the wrong call. College football fans have not caught up with math yet.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2015, 04:13:19 PM
Going for it on 4th down was not the wrong call. College football fans have not caught up with math yet.

That drives me crazy too. Coaches constantly going for it in weird scenarios, yet not going for it 4th and a half yard from their own 40 because it's too risky!!!



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on January 13, 2015, 04:21:21 PM
It makes almost as crazy as managers who fucking bunt the instant someone reaches first base.  :mob:


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2015, 05:42:52 PM
It makes almost as crazy as managers who fucking bunt the instant someone reaches first base.  :mob:

Time and a place, although Sabercats will fight you on it.

I prefer the hit and run honestly.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: HaemishM on January 13, 2015, 05:57:36 PM
I miss the straight steal.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Nebu on January 13, 2015, 06:03:54 PM
Ohio State is always a force because I believe they are so far ahead of their conference they only have to treat about a third of their schedule seriously. Three ranked games this year, they won em all. Lost the VA Tech game which, like the Missouri loss to Indiana, I will never understand how the hell it happened.

Ohio State is always a force because they recruit well and know how to bend the rules while avoiding investigation.  They also have the biggest budget in the Big 10. 

While I hate Ohio State with a passion, I'd rather they win the championship than another SEC team (I'm indifferent to Oregon).


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2015, 06:45:39 PM
It doesn't hurt that Ohio State has an SEC coach now too.  :why_so_serious:



Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Mortriden on January 14, 2015, 12:39:15 PM
I don't know much about college football, but I blame the goddamn spread offense for killing the quality of college QB's coming out of the NFL. It feels like the running games get ignored for option style runs, passes are all like screens, 5 yard dinks and crossing routes with very rare deep bombs, tight ends are all flexed out if they are even on the field, there are no fullbacks or really any backs doing much pass protection so usually the QB has to be the best athlete on the field because he's going to be running for his life from every blitz. It's like the bastard special needs child of the run and gun.

My wife and I were just talking about something similar to this yesterday.  We were discussing if College Football programs/coaches are becoming less concerned with producing "NFL Candidates" and more concerned with winning at the college level. 


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Nebu on January 14, 2015, 01:36:31 PM
My wife and I were just talking about something similar to this yesterday.  We were discussing if College Football programs/coaches are becoming less concerned with producing "NFL Candidates" and more concerned with winning at the college level. 

The two go hand in hand.  If you want the top talent, you have to demonstrate that your program grooms players for life in the NFL.  Get the top talent and you win championships... that is if your coaches can reign in the egos.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 14, 2015, 01:49:56 PM
I think a pro style system will continue to dominate if you do as Nebu says, get the top tier guys. If you have the best lineman in the game, you and run a playaction offense and kill teams.

If you have crappy line guys, you run the spread because it puts the impact on the skill guys making plays. This doesn't work in the NFL though because all the line talent is good at worst.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 15, 2015, 08:05:57 AM
I'm interested to see how the ratings will be for the game that doesn't have an East or South contingent, and it's on cable, spread across a billion channels.

Answer, it got an 18.5 rating, which is the highest since the Texas-USC game. It didn't beat that, but set a cable record. Makes sense because this game grabbed more markets in the Mid-East and West. Opposed to an FSU-Auburn game did with just the South.

Still, that's lower than I expected, and I think it has a lot of room to grow. A Patriots AFC divisional game got a 19.6 rating. That's not even for a championship, that's just a regular playoff game.

The gap is starting to close on the highest of the high college game and the NFL, but it's not quite there yet. I'd like to see what would happen ratings-wise with a playoff between Texas and USC today on broadcast TV.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Nebu on January 15, 2015, 12:01:19 PM
I want the NCAA games to get equal or higher ratings than the NFL too, but for a different reason.  It's about time these athletes start getting paid for the HUGE sums of money that the NCAA is making off of them.  If these games start competing with the NFL, then it may be high time that college football became the NFL farm system that it was designed to be.  Most of these athletes have no interest nor ability to be in a university setting in the first place.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on January 15, 2015, 12:53:16 PM
Cardale Jones is expected to announce today at 2PM that he's going into the draft. Just the capper on one of the strangest seasons ever.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 15, 2015, 12:56:18 PM
Cardale Jones is expected to announce today at 2PM that he's going into the draft. Just the capper on one of the strangest seasons ever.

I figured he might. He'll get murdered in the rankings because of his lack of game experience though. Still, someone might take a flyer on him in the 3rd round because he's a freak. I wouldn't mind the Cowboys spending a 3rd or 4th on the kid if he fell down there. They need a better backup situation and somebody to train two years under Romo before his back explodes.

EDIT: Then again this QB class sucks, as I've said with the prior 5 years of guys for the most part. There's a serious lack of contenders going around. Someone might get stupid and take him early.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: 01101010 on January 15, 2015, 01:58:26 PM
Yeah, 2 college game starts and you'll go into the draft? good luck. He will indeed get shredded for his lack of gametime résumé .

I guess that is smart since the qb situation is scant this year - wouldn't surprise me if he didn't get drafted and someone picked him up on FA as a practice squad qb.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on January 15, 2015, 02:38:18 PM
Yeah, 2 college game starts and you'll go into the draft? good luck. He will indeed get shredded for his lack of gametime résumé .

I guess that is smart since the qb situation is scant this year - wouldn't surprise me if he didn't get drafted and someone picked him up on FA as a practice squad qb.

Scuttlebutt is that he's been advised of being a 2nd-3rd round pick, but possibly could jump into the 1st depending on his combine results. Ordinarily it'd be a no-brainer to not go but Christ, he has to compete with a 2-time Big 10 offensive MVP and a Heisman Trophy finalist for a starting job despite winning the national championship.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on January 15, 2015, 02:40:44 PM
Isn't Miller transferring?  Why not transfer himself?  I suppose you lose out on the short term (2 years of salary where ever you're drafted), but you have the potential to be something much greater. 


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on January 15, 2015, 02:57:42 PM
Isn't Miller transferring?  Why not transfer himself?  I suppose you lose out on the short term (2 years of salary where ever you're drafted), but you have the potential to be something much greater.  

According to Urban, Miller is staying. As far as transferring I think part of it is that Cardale is a redshirt sophomore after taking a year at Fork Union, so he's already 23(I think, the OSU site doesn't say). So if he sits out a year to transfer he only gets one year somewhere else and he's already 25-26 by the time he starts his NFL career.

Edit: There is some doubt as to whether Miller will actually be able to play quarterback. Two torn labrums is bad news for arm strength.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Montague on January 15, 2015, 04:15:06 PM
And he announced he's staying. Don't know why he needed a press conference for that, but whatevs...  :uhrr:

Fall practice is going to be awful interesting.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on January 15, 2015, 04:57:36 PM
Poor OSU.  Ours will once again be Anu Solomon v. a bunch of guys you really don't want in the game. Our backups get progressively better at running and progressively worse at passing. Then again, we're thankful to just be somewhat relevant.

At least we get Scooby Wright for another year.  Teams are just going to scheme him into irrelevance, however.  Can't wait for the Pac 12 south meatgrinder.  CAN WE AT LEAST BEAT USC THIS YEAR?


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Paelos on January 15, 2015, 05:19:21 PM
Georgia has a great recruiting class and no defined QB. So  :why_so_serious:

Also, it's obvious to me somebody talked this kid out of going pro. He was set to do it, then moved the thing back, then back again, then said nah.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Triforcer on January 15, 2015, 09:08:06 PM
Georgia has a great recruiting class and no defined QB. So  :why_so_serious:

Also, it's obvious to me somebody talked this kid out of going pro. He was set to do it, then moved the thing back, then back again, then said nah.

I bet the boosters ponied up at least the nfl minimum.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: Rasix on August 04, 2015, 03:17:14 PM
We went to eat today at the stadium since my parents were in town.  On the way out, a guy on a golf cart asks my son (who was in a UofA jersey and hat), if he'd like to go onto the field.  Turns out it's the offensive coordinator.  My son got to go out the field, meet the starting QB and running back, and hang out in the locker and weight room.  I think my dad and I were grinning even more than my son, who was a bit overwhelmed by it all.


Title: Re: 2014 College Football
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 04, 2015, 03:42:01 PM
That is pretty goddamned awesome. It takes very little effort on their part, and it creates lifelong fans and good will. Win/Win.