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Title: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on August 13, 2013, 10:34:04 AM (http://i.imgur.com/vbHn0rY.png)
Note 1: http://www.wowhead.com/npc=44566 (title) Note 2: http://wowpedia.org/Dark_Below (Or it might be the D3 expansion) Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Nebu on August 13, 2013, 10:41:21 AM Are you suggesting an expansion? This post is pretty cryptic.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Zetor on August 13, 2013, 10:52:25 AM A 100% underwater expansion is clearly what is needed. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 13, 2013, 11:08:16 AM Diablo expansion, not wow.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: luckton on August 13, 2013, 11:10:45 AM Yeah, Azeroth's pretty tapped out at this point, after WotLK, Cata, and MoP. With all the setup that they're doing regarding the Black Dragon prince, we're going back to Outland or somewhere else beyond.
Gotta be a Diablo xpack. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Ingmar on August 13, 2013, 11:12:51 AM Could be either. It's pretty unusual to be this far into a WoW expansion without knowing at least the name of the next one.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: luckton on August 13, 2013, 11:17:31 AM True...the Dark Below could refer to the remaining Old God(s). If that's the case, nuke this forum from orbit already. We're done here. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on August 13, 2013, 11:31:57 AM I thought it sounded like a D3 xpac, considering the time frame and content about items and currency.
D3's soulstone goes tumbling down from the Heavens, lands in the oceans. We travel to the island of something-something-something-DARKSIDE to investigate the corruption and possibly find out the fate of Imperius and his search for the fallen stone... Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 13, 2013, 12:42:48 PM It COULD be wow but I doubt it, we've already BEEN below azeroth, ain't shit there but fat rock women. They could just say that this is a different below but that just seems like it would retread the same territory.
Also didn't diablo's soulstone crash into earth and presumably somewhere underground? Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on August 13, 2013, 12:46:57 PM Well we did highlands, desert, tundra in terms of level types. I would think they could do a rainforest theme in the next one, on an island somewhere.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Ingmar on August 13, 2013, 12:49:41 PM It COULD be wow but I doubt it, we've already BEEN below azeroth, ain't shit there but fat rock women. They could just say that this is a different below but that just seems like it would retread the same territory. Also didn't diablo's soulstone crash into earth and presumably somewhere underground? The Dark Below that is already referenced in the game in WoW is underwater. Granted, Blizzard isn't known for their creative naming, but given that Ozumat exists, it seems more likely to be WoW-related than anything else. Hell it could be a card game expansion or something. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on August 13, 2013, 12:55:07 PM It's an expansion of Krakens!
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Fabricated on August 13, 2013, 12:58:27 PM Also they completely dropped the Neptulon arc they were going to make into an abyssal maw raid during Cata.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Typhon on August 13, 2013, 01:00:27 PM When are they doing dreamland?
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on August 13, 2013, 01:07:11 PM When are they doing dreamland? Never. They couldn't figure out a way to make it about the Old Gods, so Metzen can't script it. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Zetor on August 13, 2013, 01:10:07 PM It's an expansion of Krakens! "Zak McKraken: The Hey, the Mindbenders in WOW are already kraken-like creatures... don't need to work too hard on this one. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Typhon on August 13, 2013, 01:11:47 PM Does Zak have a brother Phil?
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: schild on August 13, 2013, 01:22:04 PM I figured this was pretty obviously the Diablo expansion.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on August 13, 2013, 01:30:09 PM I figured this was pretty obviously the Diablo expansion. That's what I thought too, but then Ingmar had to come all in here and drop an obscure underwater Kraken reference. No I'm confused again. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on August 13, 2013, 01:58:12 PM When are they doing dreamland? Never. They couldn't figure out a way to make it about the Old Gods, so Metzen can't script it. http://wowpedia.org/Rift_of_Aln Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on August 13, 2013, 02:03:41 PM Metzen didn't write that. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 13, 2013, 02:39:48 PM Could it be for a book? Having an expansion about the abyssal maw or whatever seems to be retreading a lot of cataclysm territory.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Fabricated on August 13, 2013, 06:31:42 PM I hope it's all underwater zones because everyone loved that underwater section of Cata. [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Nevermore on August 13, 2013, 06:34:35 PM I thought they actually did a pretty good job with the underwater zones in Cata, and I'm not exactly WoW's biggest fan.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 13, 2013, 06:43:31 PM They were as good as underwater zones could be, still sucked and avoid on all alts.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Ingmar on August 13, 2013, 08:06:59 PM I liked underwater land better than Hyjal.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: SurfD on August 13, 2013, 10:36:46 PM It would be a fitting expantion name if they decided to do something with Azshara and her old god master and crew, since they are the only remaining "below" area unexplored in existing WoW lore (assuming you discount that the Nerubian Empire was rumored to have intended to be a full zone in northrend with a full out nerubian raid that supposedly got scrapped).
You cant count Deepholm, because the elemental planes are technically seperate places from Azeroth (when Deathwing Burst out of deepholm in Cata, he effectively created a rift between the two worlds rather then simply bursting up out of a really big underround cave). Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: satael on August 13, 2013, 11:42:57 PM Hopefully it's a Diablo 3 expansion that just adds a roguelike randomly generated dungeon (a bit like the first Diablo but more random) with the boss at the bottom :grin:
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Sjofn on August 14, 2013, 12:24:48 AM The problem I had with underwater zone was the same problem I had with all the Cataclysm zones: they were too fucking long.
Deepholm sucked most imo. Not sure why, but I fucking loathed that place. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: luckton on August 14, 2013, 01:06:50 AM Well fuck. (http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3341-Diablo-3-s-next-expansion-is-named-Reaper-of-Souls)
Quote Diablo 3's next expansion is named "Reaper of Souls"? Well we can definitely say the past few hours have been interesting. After uncovering the trademarking of The Dark Below yesterday, it looks like the teaser for the next Diablo 3 expansion just went live. According to the official website "Reaper of Souls" is a trademark and linked to Diablo 3, with Gamescom coming up next week it wouldn't be surprising to see the expansion for Diablo 3 announced there. More importantly, it rules out The Dark Below as the next Diablo 3 expansion and makes things a lot more interesting suddenly. Thank god Wildstar and Hex are coming out. I want off this Old God train. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: SurfD on August 14, 2013, 02:42:54 AM The problem I had with underwater zone was the same problem I had with all the Cataclysm zones: they were too fucking long. Wasnt there something that was posted back during a Cata Deconstruction roundtable where they essentially admitted that Vashjir was intended to be multiple zones, and they just ended up cramming it all into one superzone because they couldnt get the multizone flow right or something like that?Deepholm sucked most imo. Not sure why, but I fucking loathed that place. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Fabricated on August 14, 2013, 05:55:52 AM My guess is Blizzard intends to have us mop up all of the old gods, then have the titans or legion move in.
It'd make sense if offing all the old gods brought the titans back, because the game flat out tells you in WotLK in the Storm Peaks Yogg shit that the Titans could exterminate the Old Gods but because of either the Titan's methods or the Old Gods being so intwined with Azeroth it would kill the planet and ruin their experiment so they just put a cap on them and left. We kill the old gods, discover that they are load-bearing bosses, and the Titans come back to reinitialize the world because we done broke it. Fits with all of the lolore so far. The thing is though: aren't the Titans more powerful than the legion and Sargeras? I figured the Legion would be the big bad to end all big bads of the series. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Soulflame on August 14, 2013, 08:00:27 AM I hope it's all underwater zones because everyone loved that underwater section of Cata. [/sarcasm] Maybe they can outdo the underwater zones of DAoC!Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Merusk on August 14, 2013, 08:17:45 AM Cata underwater was the best underwater zone I've ever dealt with. No breathing bullshit after the first 20 mins AND no delay in travel.
I decided long ago folks hate underwater only because of three things. The first two I listed and were taken care of, the 3rd is you need 3-d situational awareness so you don't swim up in to mobs. You typically can't fix that outside of putting everything in a cavern, but even the Cata zone didn't really have that problem after the forest segment. You just never really realized it. Besides, they have to give you SOME reason to still have that Seahorse in your mounts. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: luckton on August 14, 2013, 08:23:04 AM I agree with Merusk. I don't understand the Cata underwater hate...clearly they've not played underwater in other games :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 14, 2013, 08:27:55 AM I agree with Merusk. I don't understand the Cata underwater hate...clearly they've not played underwater in other games :why_so_serious: Vash'jir didn't suck simply because it was underwater. It was terrible in the amount of gating and inability to go off the rails even a little bit. The first time I did it, it was great and I had a lot of fun but every subsequent alt went to hyjal because the pace is much quicker and there are a couple spots where you alternate the routine if only a little. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Merusk on August 14, 2013, 08:29:40 AM That's really a complaint about Cata as an expansion, IMO.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 14, 2013, 08:32:58 AM No doubt but Vash'jir was the worst example of it. The mechanics of the underwater zone were great but unfortunately you can't divorce it from the rest so the zone was still terrible.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on August 14, 2013, 10:35:44 AM No doubt but Vash'jir was the worst example of it. Counterpoint: Uldum.Fuck Uldum. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: luckton on August 14, 2013, 10:36:51 AM And now things are just pants-on-head silly. (http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3342-Blizzard-Trademarks-Corgis-Unleashed-(Okay-not-really))
Wasn't this thread fun? :why_so_serious: Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on August 14, 2013, 10:42:25 AM Ahaha, noice. That'd certainly be one way to obfuscate matters.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Miasma on August 14, 2013, 10:53:23 AM I loved the underwater zone in WoW, I think people hated it because the very first area you start in is just way too packed with mobs, you can't move without getting aggro. This combined with what was a harsh transition from one shotting wotlk mobs to suddenly having to be careful again was a bad first impression and tainted people's view of the whole thing.
The underwater mount also should have been something far cooler than "seahorse". Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 14, 2013, 11:22:32 AM Seahorse for alliance, eel for horde.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Fordel on August 14, 2013, 01:43:36 PM I'm a Druid, I don't need your shitty water mount!
The Underwater zone was way too long and repetitive. Half a dozen "oh no, the Naga found our hiding cave... AGAIN". Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Mithas on August 14, 2013, 06:44:04 PM I agree about the length. It dragged on. I think the mechanics were fine and I thought it looked pretty good. It had a cool feel; it gave the feeling that there was a lot more to Azeroth than what's on land. I found it interesting. I could be pulling this out of nowhere, but I swear I remember reading a dev quote saying they probably wouldn't do another underwater zone again.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: angry.bob on August 14, 2013, 10:51:32 PM And now things are just pants-on-head silly. (http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3342-Blizzard-Trademarks-Corgis-Unleashed-(Okay-not-really)) Wasn't this thread fun? :why_so_serious: Everyone should play a Fey Corgi at least once in their role playing career. (https://www.weasyl.com/static/submission/10/30/f0/fc/54/e9/casualdhole-11670.submit.2674.png) Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: pants on August 15, 2013, 07:32:52 PM (http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lya8vjypsK1r2rz91.gif)
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on August 16, 2013, 10:50:43 AM "The Dark Below" was registered in the last day or so in Eire by the copyright firm who does all Blizzard's European law work.
So that's interesting. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: K9 on September 19, 2013, 01:34:39 PM And now things are just pants-on-head silly. (http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3342-Blizzard-Trademarks-Corgis-Unleashed-(Okay-not-really)) Wasn't this thread fun? :why_so_serious: Everyone should play a Fey Corgi at least once in their role playing career. You're an odd fruit Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: El Gallo on September 20, 2013, 06:37:05 PM Any 3d zone sucks nuts. It's almost impossible to see both above and below your character. The game is designed to be played with the camera above and behind your character, which means you can't see above and z-axis movement is awkward as hell.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on September 21, 2013, 07:13:02 AM Counterpoint: Vash'jr was the best zone in Cataclysm by a country mile.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lakov_Sanite on September 21, 2013, 07:28:59 AM Counterpoint: Vash'jr was the best zone in Cataclysm by a country mile. Counter-Counterpoint: No it wasn't. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on September 21, 2013, 07:48:01 AM Hyjal was painfully generic where it should have been grandious and epic, Deepholm was okay until you realised you were essentially repeating the same quests three times over (once for the Earthen Ring, one for the Eathen, and once for the Earthmother), Twilight Highlands was a disjointed rush-job where decent ideas were piled up next to kill ten rats in a slap-dash manner and Uldum? Uldum was decent for the first third of the zone and then threw away all the interesting bits to do a tedious fifth-rate pastiche of Indiana Jones where your character was forced into the role of "bumbling, cowardly side-kick" while an NPC figured out the problems.
So by a process of elimination Vash'jr was the best zone. E: It helps that Vash'jr was gorgeous. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Rendakor on September 21, 2013, 10:41:55 AM I liked Twilight Highlands more than Vash'jr; it was a good build-up into Bastion of Twilight. Mount Hyjal was also more fun.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lakov_Sanite on September 21, 2013, 10:56:48 AM Vash COULD have been great if it would two-three zones instead of one. Such a slog...
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Mithas on September 21, 2013, 07:43:49 PM I don't get all the Vash'jr hate. I thought it was by far the best zone in Cataclysm. I didn't have any trouble with 3D movement or mobs. The only problem was the length. It was so different than anything else on the main continents that I thought it was great.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: craan on September 21, 2013, 11:56:16 PM I really liked playing as that Naga warrior lady. Maybe someday the next playable races will be Naga for Horde and Murlocs for Alliance.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Ingmar on September 22, 2013, 04:06:51 PM I also liked Vash'jr. It basically *was* broken into 3 zones, so I'm not sure why people are making that particular criticism.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Rokal on September 23, 2013, 10:44:39 AM I really liked playing as that Naga warrior lady. Maybe someday the next playable races will be Naga for Horde and Murlocs for Alliance. I hated this section more than any other part of questing in Cata, even the shitty Harrison Jones stuff in Uldum. Underwater zone + vehicle quests = go fuck yourself. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Sjofn on September 23, 2013, 03:00:29 PM I also liked Vash'jr. It basically *was* broken into 3 zones, so I'm not sure why people are making that particular criticism. It felt like a long, long, long, long, long single zone, though. At least to me. You kept thinking you were done but wait no, time to kill a zillion more naga or elementals or whatever. It was the Belsavis of WoW for me. That was my issue with all the Cataclysm zones, though. They were all way too fucking long. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on October 15, 2013, 11:23:43 AM Presented without comment: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1363274-Solid-Spoiler-A-Spoiler-Source-About-Blizzcon-2013-WOW-X5-%28History-Game-%29
Quote 11.8 update The key of patch 6.0 has two, one is G, another is D. 11.7 update ilvl compression for X5 is due to the Big Event and Canon in X5. 11.6 update We may have one D, but G perhaps not one, maybe 5? 11.5 update One of those Gs, MUST be Garad. 11.4 update One of those Gs, MAY be "Garona". 11.3 update One of the last known those Gs, MIGHT be "Garithos". 11.2 update The Red Names becomes Yellow, Green Names drop gears. The end of time is what its starts, Medivh shows to give you Dailies. 11.1 update DW returns, but which one? 10.31 update A classic Maincity becomes Raid Dungeon. "10.31" update Your known history, may not be "the original" one. '10.31' update Due to s/he is not exist in "the original" history. S/he killed him/her in that time, to do the right thing. 10.30 update When the theory is in mess, Anduin Wrynn regrets his choice, while Wrathion faces his glory. 10.29 update A Maincity-class Dungeon finally becomes a true Maincity. 10.28 update The Dragon Soul's power is not vanished yet. Instead, they cannot touch that power, the power someone have long coveted. 10.27 update Eternal Dragons? The Dragon Era has already ended. Our story is about mortals that extraordinary and/or unwilling to be ordinary. 10.26 update Illidan: None of my business! 10.25 update Old Gods: None of my business! 10.24 update Burning Legion: Why it's not as it says, my dear screenwriter? 10.23 update Someone: この手に入れた力で、その間違いは絶対やらせねぇ! 10.22 update Subject of this X is: Father and Son. 10.21 update Even there's no blood relationship, the fetters are more strongly than there have. 10.20 update Even there have blood relationship, the incompatible destined a bad romance. 10.19 update They, the young. What's their choice when they get a overwhelming power one day? 10.18 update Among those fetters and bad romances, the world is shattering into pieces by "the young" suddenly get power. 10.17 update Velen: Anybody here? 10.16 update Turalyon and Alleria returns. 10.15 update Hail To The King, Baby!!! 10.14 update The forth G, is Gul'dan. 10.13 update Someone: W Saurfang is in trouble? Oh, come on my little brother! 10.13 update Known the ONLY D is 14417226136556E86F1372212034 (Leak ---- this puzzle is calculated out and it is 1 44 1 72 2 61 3 65 5 6E 8 6F 13 72 21 20 34 D r a e n o r Space The useless number is just a Fibonacci Sequence. ) 10.12 update The HIDDEN REAL D is at 97C100E9852494810E19852549799A10057D1019753C5410054C984B94B8494948A49E4999579D798 10.8 update Everything has started. Let's wait and see. (???) (???) (???) (???) (???) ↑ I don't know the upper five row means it's just shown in original post. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The puzzle on that forum is still updating. I will update more when I get more. A hint: Quotation Marks And hint: No directly leak and all guessing in the original topic (1k+ replies now) Source: bbs.ngacn.cc/read.php?tid=6592378 (Chinese WOW Forum) (Anyone here speak Cantonese? ) Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Mithas on October 15, 2013, 11:29:56 AM The person that did the translating doesn't speak English either. I feel like I'm drunk reading that. I have no idea what it says.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 15, 2013, 01:01:53 PM Just wait for blizzcon and don't hurt your brain.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Lantyssa on October 16, 2013, 07:08:02 AM It says the end times are near and plots involving Time Travel are always Awesome.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 05, 2013, 02:37:07 AM Quote 10.13 update Known the ONLY D is 14417226136556E86F1372212034 (Leak ---- this puzzle is calculated out and it is 1 44 1 72 2 61 3 65 5 6E 8 6F 13 72 21 20 34 D r a e n o r Space The useless number is just a Fibonacci Sequence. (http://i.imgur.com/OtNEN1X.jpg) Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Hutch on November 05, 2013, 06:57:50 AM I saw the Warlords news in a couple of places yesterday. We'll see if it's real, or just trolling by Blizzard. I'm waiting for Blizzcon.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 06, 2013, 01:00:22 PM And now things are just pants-on-head silly. (http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3342-Blizzard-Trademarks-Corgis-Unleashed-(Okay-not-really)) (http://i.imgur.com/qiLiNQ4.jpg?1)Wasn't this thread fun? :why_so_serious: Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Ironwood on November 06, 2013, 01:13:52 PM Corgi. Goodness.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Merusk on November 08, 2013, 11:59:46 AM Wife is at home and just e-mailed me. New xpac is called "Warlords of Draenor" new models, new world, cap at 100.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Hutch on November 08, 2013, 12:02:42 PM MMO Champion has pictures, I assume they're caps from the live stream.
Since Draenor is Outland, I wonder how it's going to be a new world. Time Travel? One of the other highlights reads "Build and Upgrade your Garrison". Player Housing? The equivalent of your Tillers farm in the new xpack? Also, updated character models. They have a before and after pic up of a Dwarf and an Orc. Edit: I forgot, another highlight says you can "Boost to 90 and play immediately." That's great news, if you didn't already level all of your toons to 90 o.O Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Merusk on November 08, 2013, 12:10:29 PM Edit: I forgot, another highlight says you can "Boost to 90 and play immediately." That's great news, if you didn't already level all of your toons to 90 o.O Considering the fall-off of the last several years, I mark this is a "come back, we're sorry!" move. I stopped after my second 90 in Pandaria and the next character was only 87, with a bunch of 85s 9 months ago. I certainly wasn't going to slog through with the rest to come back and try out the new x-pack and the thought of doing Pandaria again if I wanted to play my DK over a hunter or rogue was enough that I decided I'd never play WoW again. This feature has me reconsidering. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on November 08, 2013, 12:33:50 PM The boost to 90 is an even more damning commentary about Cataclysm, not to mention the streamlined Pandaria content. They rehauled the entire world and now they are letting people skip the whole thing 3 years later. What the hell was the point?
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Modern Angel on November 08, 2013, 12:38:44 PM Because it's an old assed game and because everyone is now doing it. EQ2. LOTRO is getting ready to do it, word is, though it'll cost there. GW2 already has mechanisms in place so that everyone is kind of the same level as everyone else where it might matter.
And new players still have to go through all the old stuff, almost guaranteed; I'm sure it'll be tied to already having a 90. This is a good thing and nobody should be complaining. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on November 08, 2013, 12:41:39 PM I'm not complaining. It should just be pointed out time and again that trying to recycle or reuse old content is a gigantic waste of time. Rehauling the leveling experience was a giant waste of time.
Most customers are paying to see the next thing, not the thing from 4 years ago. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Hawkbit on November 08, 2013, 12:42:15 PM I didn't like the most recent xpac, though heading to Draenor might pique my interest again. Even if it's just through time travel.
One of the major changes I liked was how the zones where story-based for completion, instead of an obvious treadmill from A to B. I hope they continue that process, and it should have been done that way for the Cata zone revamps. I wish Blizzard weren't so scared to modify established parts of the world; they could really do some amazing limited-time events in the core worlds if they tried. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Draegan on November 08, 2013, 12:47:19 PM Because it's an old assed game and because everyone is now doing it. EQ2. LOTRO is getting ready to do it, word is, though it'll cost there. GW2 already has mechanisms in place so that everyone is kind of the same level as everyone else where it might matter. And new players still have to go through all the old stuff, almost guaranteed; I'm sure it'll be tied to already having a 90. This is a good thing and nobody should be complaining. Here all of the details: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/warlords-of-draenor/ Quote Opposing the Iron Horde are the heroes of Azeroth—at the heights of power they’ve always been destined for. Even if you’re new or returning to the game, Warlords empowers you to immediately upgrade one of your characters to level 90 and master new abilities at the gateway to Draenor, so that you can charge into grand combat right away. Play the races and classes you’ve always wanted to try, wage war alongside your friends, and take your place among Warcraft’s finest. I doubt I will want to play, but since I haven't had a max character since WOTLK, this would be something that got me to play again if I was looking for an excuse. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Modern Angel on November 08, 2013, 12:50:16 PM Hrm. I missed that it was new players, too. That seems to be a tacit admission that new blood isn't coming in. Which isn't shocking at all.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Rokal on November 08, 2013, 12:53:21 PM I'm not complaining. It should just be pointed out time and again that trying to recycle or reuse old content is a gigantic waste of time. Rehauling the leveling experience was a giant waste of time. Most customers are paying to see the next thing, not the thing from 4 years ago. But what about the the thing from 19 years ago? :facepalm: So time-travel and an expansion centered around a less interesting version of Outlands (not gonna see really creative/messed-up zones like Netherstorm). No new classes or races, they won't even manage to get all the new models done in time for release. What a hugely disappointing direction to go after MoP breathed so much life back into the game. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Soulflame on November 08, 2013, 12:57:50 PM And by "so much life back into the game" you mean "caused subscriptions to fall at record rates"?
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Draegan on November 08, 2013, 01:03:52 PM This new expansion doesn't seem to have anything compelling about it at all, but to get me back it would take a lot so I have a very negative bias against it. I'm willing to wait and see though.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on November 08, 2013, 01:14:42 PM And by "so much life back into the game" you mean "caused subscriptions to fall at record rates"? Once again, we've learned that if Rokal hates it, that means it likely will have large mass appeal to the fans. :why_so_serious: EDIT: Pandaria did some things right, but they did almost all of them AFTER shit hit the fan. In the beginning stages, it was nothing but horrible dailies cockblocking everything, and faction grinding to the max. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Rokal on November 08, 2013, 01:14:53 PM And by "so much life back into the game" you mean "caused subscriptions to fall at record rates"? If by "caused subscriptions to fall at record rates" you mean "didn't set any records for subscription losses and did a pretty good job retaining subscribers throughout it's lifespan" then yeah, totally. As for this expansion being proof about what Blizzard learned from Cata, apparently they didn't learn that people weren't too excited about revisiting old content/zones. Thematically this is going to be pretty close to Cata: "revisit old zones and storylines from WoW's past!" Here is a video of the changes Outlands will see in the new expansion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMzeih7_7Hc&feature=player_embedded You can tell which zones are in the new expansion because they look like every other non-Outlands zone in the game. Pretty exciting stuff. :facepalm: Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 08, 2013, 01:15:39 PM This new expansion doesn't seem to have anything compelling about it at all, but to get me back it would take a lot so I have a very negative bias against it. I'm willing to wait and see though. On the other hand player housing with Doff missions.Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Merusk on November 08, 2013, 01:16:51 PM This new expansion doesn't seem to have anything compelling about it at all, but to get me back it would take a lot so I have a very negative bias against it. I'm willing to wait and see though. I'll buy the CE for the wife, since she's never stopped playing, maybe one for myself just to have a complete set but the question of playing is another matter. If there's the same ridiculous gear & rep grind that MOP had I won't bother even opening the box. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on November 08, 2013, 01:20:02 PM I honestly can't believe they would repeat the decision to hide all the valor gear behind faction reputations with large daily requirements, but if they do, they are going to hemorrhage subs in the first month.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 08, 2013, 01:33:14 PM Thank Christ for those inventory changes.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Hutch on November 08, 2013, 01:42:12 PM Thank Christ for those inventory changes. Heirlooms and Toys to be collected like Pets and Mounts. And possibly Tabards as well! And they're not going to make us collect Quest items in our bags? That's a great feature, I'm glad Blizzard is finally stealing it. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 08, 2013, 01:45:11 PM Also crafting from the bank and stuff stacking to 100. Add in a way to deal with transmog gear and I might actually have some bank space available.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Mithas on November 08, 2013, 01:52:45 PM Big changes to raiding. Flex will be used for normal and heroic. Mythic difficulty is fixed 20-man raiding.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Miasma on November 08, 2013, 01:53:01 PM Someone make a new thread about the new expansion so I can complain about how I don't like outland, don't like the dranei, find all orcs really one dimensional/boring, am dubious of time travel plots and am not excited enough about this to resub.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Ironwood on November 08, 2013, 01:53:57 PM Those follower names made me giggle.
Sorry. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Rokal on November 08, 2013, 01:56:28 PM Big changes to raiding. Flex will be used for normal and heroic. Mythic difficulty is fixed 20-man raiding. Because when people tell you 4 difficulties is too many, what they are really saying is "please add a 5th difficulty" Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on November 08, 2013, 02:00:39 PM There's a bitching thread about this now.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 08, 2013, 02:20:11 PM Big changes to raiding. Flex will be used for normal and heroic. Mythic difficulty is fixed 20-man raiding. Because when people tell you 4 difficulties is too many, what they are really saying is "please add a 5th difficulty" Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Mithas on November 08, 2013, 02:25:51 PM That makes much more sense in my eyes. Mythic for the hardcores, heroic flex for the people who think they are hardcores and the rest for everyone else. We'll see how it works in practice.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Rokal on November 08, 2013, 02:35:14 PM That does make way more sense. If they are nerfing normals to match the difficulty of flex, and nerfing heroics to the difficulty of normals, I hope this means they won't require people to run normals (5.4's Flex) first.
Also confused about why Mythic is 20-man instead of 25-man. Why not just cap normal/heroics at 20 at this point and be done with it? Edit: I guess this really screws over current 10-man heroic raiders too. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Modern Angel on November 08, 2013, 03:39:20 PM I think because it's easier to tune properly if it's a set amount combined with it being in the middle of 10 and 25. Once they added flexible raiding, they pretty much had to account for variable guild sizes/raid teams and that seems the easiest way to ballpark it.
Talking to a friend who works there, the weirdness with the tiers seems to mostly be down to naming of the tiers and how they're presented without the graphic. They did it in the weirdest, most obtuse way possible. Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Fabricated on November 08, 2013, 03:45:21 PM Hey can someone find my old post about how Blizzard's response to all of the bad raid design would be to add another difficulty level?
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Merusk on November 08, 2013, 03:56:21 PM They meshed 10 & 25 so they're the same now, so they didn't really add a level. Doesn't mean its any better, tho.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 08, 2013, 04:19:16 PM (http://i.imgur.com/CKHy0J3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Merusk on November 08, 2013, 04:20:18 PM That's.... horrifying.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Trippy on November 08, 2013, 04:21:57 PM Did they keep the gnome female "choo choo" emote sound? That's really all that matters.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 08, 2013, 04:22:51 PM That's.... horrifying. It is a gnome. :awesome_for_real:Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Paelos on November 08, 2013, 04:30:43 PM 2/10, would not bang.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 08, 2013, 04:33:08 PM (http://i.imgur.com/c2lW2Fj.jpg)
Better? :why_so_serious: Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Nightblade on November 08, 2013, 04:35:22 PM Quote (http://i.imgur.com/c2lW2Fj.jpg) Better? :why_so_serious: YES Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Merusk on November 08, 2013, 04:40:40 PM The shoulders bother me because I know that it's not possible but it's a damn fine model.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 08, 2013, 04:58:34 PM Quote (http://i.imgur.com/c2lW2Fj.jpg) Better? :why_so_serious: YES Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Merusk on November 08, 2013, 05:00:51 PM Booo.. they did away with jawless.
Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 08, 2013, 05:05:25 PM I wouldn't count anything permanently gone until a lot closer to launch.
More stuff: (http://i.imgur.com/FVjdXLt.jpg) Title: Re: The Dark Below Post by: Simond on November 09, 2013, 05:44:19 AM Video of the art panel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYKvdxyxr-E
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