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Title: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on July 05, 2013, 12:12:39 AM
final fantasy vii is on steam

lol


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Rendakor on July 05, 2013, 12:29:39 AM
If it controls well with kb+m I might pick it up, although I don't see what the point of releasing it now is.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: satael on July 05, 2013, 12:30:32 AM
final fantasy vii is on steam

lol

...but it has achievements and a cheat mode (character booster) if the game is too hard for you!

the ps1 version with epsxe emulator is still the best version of the game you can get


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on July 05, 2013, 02:16:34 AM
I didnt like ffvii. No need to tell me the best version to get. Final Fantasy's core series ended for me with VI.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: trias_e on July 05, 2013, 02:22:58 AM
If this costs under 10 dollars I will buy it because I am a nostalgia whore.

But yes, this game isn't as good as FF6 and looks like permanent shit to boot.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on July 05, 2013, 02:26:07 AM
Good news. Its $11.99.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Teleku on July 05, 2013, 02:43:13 AM
When I was young this one was my favorite of the series.  Did another play through a few years back and yeah, it doesn't hold up very well at all.  Especially graphics, which is funny, because when I originally played it I felt it had the most amazing grpahics and art ever.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on July 05, 2013, 03:20:30 AM
At the time, it may have.

But honestly, anyone who wants to play this game already owns it in a perfectly playable form.  I actually think I have three versions of it already.  Four if you count the fact that I could play the same version on both PS3 and Vita.

I know it is sorta popular to hate on this game now, but a remake would make BANK.  Instead they are going the easier route and making a FFX HD "remake". 


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Kail on July 05, 2013, 03:44:39 AM

Instead they are going the easier route and making a FFX HD "remake".  

Ugh.  I have never played FF8, but of all the other ones, X is my least favorite.

And I dunno, but I still think VII holds up pretty well.  The graphics and stuff aren't as sharp as they were back in the PS1 era (lol at the character models), but the overall visual design is still pretty interesting in a lot of areas, and the story works a lot better than a lot of the later Final Fantasy stuff for me.  There was a time when I think it was overrated by the vox populi, but I think it's still a pretty solid game, if not the robot jesus of RPGs it was supposed to be in the nineties.

edit:
If it controls well with kb+m...

It doesn't... it's something like X for "ok," C for "cancel," V for "select," and B for  the menu.  Naming characters is still a matter of choosing letters from a menu rather than, say, typing.  That kind of thing.
Directions on some maps are kind of wonky too because of the fixed camera angles (what you'd think is "up" is really "up/right diagonal" or something).


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on July 05, 2013, 05:25:29 AM
I actually liked X quite a bit, and will probably buy the remake when it comes out (which I think is relatively soon?).  But in many ways, X is what started this series down a bad path.  They got rid of the open world for all intents, and you started getting the feeling of running down corridors.  Not as bad as XIII, of course, but it laid the foundation for what was to come. 


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Hawkbit on July 05, 2013, 10:11:16 AM
The MBV reference was pretty cool.  Also, materia was one of my favorite exp systems in a game.  Otherwise, I overlooked a lot of quirkiness back in the day and that game is pretty janky now.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Teleku on July 05, 2013, 10:14:25 AM
I haven't played a FF since X (of which I played about an hours worth).  Uhh, they removed open world?  I'm afraid to ask, but what have they changed about the series overall since X?


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Rasix on July 05, 2013, 10:41:50 AM
Probably the most boring FF in the series.  The plot is a fucking mess too.  Sure, it probably has the best "oh, shit" moment, but otherwise it's pretty much a snoozer and the combat is FF1 quality bland.

My attempts to replay get nowhere.  I had the PC version (don't know why or how I got it) and downloaded it for the PSP.  Both attempts probably stalled out before the saucer.

I haven't played a FF since X (of which I played about an hours worth).  Uhh, they removed open world?  I'm afraid to ask, but what have they changed about the series overall since X?

I don't remember the world structure of XII, but that game featured a completely different combat system, which some people did not care for.  Personally, I loved it.  XIII was a long corridor-fest until you got to the last area, where you had a lot of freedom to roam.  Game would have been amazing if the entire thing was structured in that way, although it would have still been a little hamstrung by (yet again) another shitty plot.  XIV and XI are MMOs, so they don't count.

X would have been fine if it didn't have such a terrible plot. But, it did.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on July 05, 2013, 10:48:10 AM
Quote
Sure, it probably has the best "oh, shit" moment, but otherwise it's pretty much a snoozer and the combat is FF1 quality bland.

Aeris dying did not wreck my teenage brain the same way pressing the reset button on FFVI and entering the World of Ruin did by being washed up on a beach where you're trying to feed a dying old man.

Fake edit: The sentence I just wrote is really hard to read and I'm too lazy to change it.
Edit: The dying old man being Cid made it even worse. ON TOP OF THAT you have fucking no clue what's going on. Like, the whole thing was just pretty traumatic and crazy. Aeris dying was just Sephiroth being a dick.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Rasix on July 05, 2013, 11:51:37 AM
I was just trying to be nice. 

My first time through FF6, I left Shadow behind. I thought he was doing a whole heroic sacrifice thing and waiting wouldn't matter.  Never again.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Fabricated on July 05, 2013, 01:26:51 PM
Also while it had to be re-translated FF6 was the first console RPG I've seen where a protagonist literally tries to commit suicide out of dispair.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on July 05, 2013, 01:54:54 PM
The characters in FF6 were way more fucked up than my teenage brain could handle back then. I played it again a few years ago and was like "wow, this really should've like, had some kind of effect on me." Didn't put much more thought into it than that.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Fabricated on July 05, 2013, 02:35:53 PM
The Woosley translation kinda takes the punch out of a lot of it. Nothing against Woosley; just saying.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Nightblade on July 05, 2013, 03:12:16 PM
The Woosley translation kinda takes the punch out of a lot of it. Nothing against Woosley; just saying.

Where would we be today without "Son of a submariner..." or... "RUN! RUN! Or you'll be well done!"


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Rokal on July 05, 2013, 05:33:40 PM
If it controls well with kb+m I might pick it up, although I don't see what the point of releasing it now is.

It doesn't control well with anything and it never has. Those pre-rendered backgrounds may as well be covered in vaseline, it's impossible to make out entrances for maps even when playing this on a screen far clearer than what was available in 1997.

Source: Played it on PSN a few years back. Doesn't hold up well, but it's still pretty interesting as a part of gaming history.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Kail on July 05, 2013, 05:51:59 PM
Probably the most boring FF in the series.  The plot is a fucking mess too.  Sure, it probably has the best "oh, shit" moment, but otherwise it's pretty much a snoozer and the combat is FF1 quality bland.

I've always found the combat to be boring as hell in FF, so FF7 doing it doesn't really bug me.  There's never been a time when the screen faded to a battle scene and I went "oh, boy, NOW it's time for some fun" instead of either "goddammit, can't go five fucking steps without these guys humping my leg" or "need to grind for two more levels, hurry up and get this over with..."

The "oh shit" moment was pretty good, I thought.  I mean, you can argue that it's not as good as world of ruin or whatever, I don't have a problem with that, but a lot of the stuff that came after 7 tried to out "oh shit" it and ended up being just nonsensical and weird and introducing new plot holes when the twist was revealed, while a lot of the titles earlier than, say, 4 didn't really have much of a narrative at all, which still leaves VII in a pretty good place IMO, relative to the series as a whole anyway.

And before I forget, the Steam version of this game has to validate online every time you boot it up, so there's that.  We can't re-render the graphics or improve the models, but we can add annoying as shit DRM, full speed ahead to moneyhats.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Sir T on July 05, 2013, 05:53:20 PM
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Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Rendakor on July 05, 2013, 06:01:07 PM
It doesn't... it's something like X for "ok," C for "cancel," V for "select," and B for  the menu.  Naming characters is still a matter of choosing letters from a menu rather than, say, typing.  That kind of thing.
Directions on some maps are kind of wonky too because of the fixed camera angles (what you'd think is "up" is really "up/right diagonal" or something).
Thanks for that, guess I'll pass.

Regarding the game in general, Aeris's death never bothered me because I didn't like her mechanically in battle (who needs a fucking healer?). She spent the whole dungeon before her death dead in my party because I didn't want her leeching XP. My 14 year old self then fell in love with Sephiroth for actually killing her off for good.

FFVI I'd first played by renting it as a kid, and thought the floating island was the end because I was stuck there on Ultima Weapon (didn't know about Vanish/Doom at the time). When I finally bought the game, beat him, and realized I was only halfway in my mind was blown.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Miasma on July 05, 2013, 07:18:39 PM
Number one on the top seller's list right now.  Why the hell is one of the screenshots cloud on a snowboard, is that some sort of new add on?  I don't recall playing such a thing...

I do remember that because of this game I followed my friend into chinatown with my precious playstation so that it could be modded to play Japanese games and bought the Japanese version because I was too impatient to wait for the translation.  Had to print out all the dialogue from a site that existed just for people who did that.

I wonder if Barret is as racist a construct in the English version.  I can't buy the game to find out because there is no way I could go through another Aerith murder.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on July 05, 2013, 07:22:58 PM
You probably could. The game looks like dogshit now so it's incapable of having any emotional impact.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Quinton on July 06, 2013, 01:04:42 AM
Why the hell is one of the screenshots cloud on a snowboard, is that some sort of new add on?  I don't recall playing such a thing...

It's one of the mini games in the Gold Saucer.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: ezrast on July 06, 2013, 01:25:42 AM
I thought FF7's oh-shit moment was when you find out Cloud's real origin. Aeris dying was just a mix of "damn, I need a new healer" and "why can't I use phoenix down, lol."

I was probably too young for FF6. Fucking up with the fish and letting Cid die had me in tears. Somehow Celes' reaction totally went over my head at the time, thankfully.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Miasma on July 09, 2013, 07:27:16 PM
I didn't notice it until the sale but I guess they released Half-life "Complete" last month.  If it's complete I guess there won't be an episode three, or any conclusion to the god damn story line.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Signe on July 10, 2013, 09:31:14 AM
I'm sure they meant complete as in "complete at this point in time."  Sort of like "Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter"  meant "final until next year when we make another one." 


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Brofellos on September 19, 2013, 10:47:23 AM
Is FFX on steam? I actually enjoyed that but never finished.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on September 19, 2013, 10:49:47 AM
no


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on September 19, 2013, 12:36:35 PM
what


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Nebu on September 19, 2013, 12:47:32 PM
If this costs under 10 dollars I will buy it because I am a nostalgia whore.

Good news. Its $11.99.

I don't know why, but this had me laughing harder than I care to admit.

Never got into the FF series.  The combat system and artwork just didn't do it for me.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Rasix on September 19, 2013, 12:50:28 PM
It's not for everyone.  I don't know any old people into FF.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on September 20, 2013, 12:42:24 AM
What do you mean by old?  Also, did you just call Nebu old?



Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Teleku on September 20, 2013, 02:32:03 AM
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg)


Though by some odd chance I got my father into squaresoft games awhile ago after leaving them all behind to go to college.  He burned through FF7, FF8, FF9, FFT, Vagrant Story, ect. several times each.  It was quite amusing, considing how much I got yelled at growing up for playing those instead of doing chores.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on September 20, 2013, 09:34:13 AM
They jokey part to me is buying it on Steam.  A disc for any of these can't be hard to locate, especially FFX.  Get one, rip the ISO and use PCSX2.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Pennilenko on September 20, 2013, 09:46:21 AM
They jokey part to me is buying it on Steam.  A disc for any of these can't be hard to locate, especially FFX.  Get one, rip the ISO and use PCSX2.

There is only like five people on this forum that understood what you just said...


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on September 20, 2013, 09:58:17 AM
They jokey part to me is buying it on Steam.  A disc for any of these can't be hard to locate, especially FFX.  Get one, rip the ISO and use PCSX2.

There is only like five people on this forum that understood what you just said...

No, I suspect most of us know what he said...but only 5 people would know how to, or could be arsed to, bother with such a thing.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Pennilenko on September 20, 2013, 10:01:35 AM
No, I suspect most of us know what he said...but only 5 people would know how to, or could be arsed to, bother with such a thing.

Now that I think about it, you are right. I should have said it that way instead.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Falconeer on September 20, 2013, 11:35:15 AM
Can we use this thread for everything random that happens on Steam? Like, Agarest: Generations of War. Should I get it? Disgaea is one of my favourite games of all time.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on September 20, 2013, 11:42:37 AM
No. The Agarest series is total shit and in no way related to Disgaea


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Falconeer on September 20, 2013, 11:57:07 AM
Thanks. I remember you hating anything Idea Factory. I gotta say the trailer looked very attractive to me, but I'm gonna trust you on this one.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Rendakor on September 20, 2013, 12:04:05 PM
The Agarest series is merely ok. The battles are not very strategic, even on the harder difficulties, because of how powerful the combination attacks are. The dating sim aspects are alright, but not as deep as Persona. If it goes on sale it might be worth a few dollars, but everything Agarest does, someone else does better.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on September 20, 2013, 12:05:51 PM
Idea Factory isn't hated. They're just a company making games.

They happen to make shitty games.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Teleku on September 23, 2013, 06:32:29 AM
They jokey part to me is buying it on Steam.  A disc for any of these can't be hard to locate, especially FFX.  Get one, rip the ISO and use PCSX2.
I've reached the point in my life where I find it far more attractive to spend money so I don't have to do this, rather than spend the time to do it.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Fabricated on September 23, 2013, 08:38:18 AM
You don't need to rip an ISO to use it with PCSX2. I just play my PS2 games directly from the disc.

PS2 emulation is surprisingly good now but requires a lot of jiggering with settings to get it looking good/running acceptably, and some games that use visual filters (Fatal Frame 1, Front Mission 4, etc) look kinda assy without stupid amounts of tweaking. It's still at the "requires work" phase for end users; rather than say 8/16-bit systems where it just works/looks mostly perfect for 99.9% of games with no effort.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on September 23, 2013, 10:50:23 AM
It's definitely not effort-free.  I suppose in either case you're overpaying for FFX.

I only rip the ISO for performance reasons.  Also I've already purchased most of these games once or twice.  Sometimes thrice.  It must end.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on September 24, 2013, 05:15:55 AM
Is there some advantage to doing over just whipping out a PS2 and playing it directly on the console?  That's what I don't get.  Unless the ISOs are being pirated in the first place, which is a different story.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: satael on September 24, 2013, 05:29:34 AM
Is there some advantage to doing over just whipping out a PS2 and playing it directly on the console?  That's what I don't get.  Unless the ISOs are being pirated in the first place, which is a different story.

The advantages of using PCSX2 over PS2 are (when everything works out perfectly): better graphics, significantly faster load times and ability save whenever (which in some games is a huge relief)


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on September 24, 2013, 02:44:04 PM
I have some challenges in getting my PS2 to work on my TV, particularly since I really want to run it in progressive mode using component cables.  This is a challenge that pops up whenever I turn on the PS2, it seems.

Advantages of PCSX2 include the aforementioned savestates, allowing me to snapshot the game in progress and resume it later.  There are ten savestate slots, and being regular files I can archive them off somewhere if I really need more.
Virtual memory cards are great.  I make a new one for each game.  MAKE IT RAIN!
Easy disk switching if you're using ISO.
Set up the emulator once and it's set forever, for most games.  This probably mostly affects me.

I suppose the hardest part of PCSX2 is obtaining the PS2 BIOS... but YMMV. :oh_i_see:

I don't have anything against buying updated games on Steam or GOG or whatever, other than what I already said about buying the same game multiple times.  I'm just not that interested in playing the Squenix Subscription game.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Fabricated on September 24, 2013, 03:13:14 PM
Also, provided the game has good art direction/textures and PCSX2 supports it well you can get some stunningly improved visuals:

(http://i.imgur.com/eD1NaKdl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/eD1NaKd)

Some games have wide-screen patches if you want to really sperg out.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Teleku on September 25, 2013, 03:10:48 AM
Hrm, may have to give that a shot then.  There are a ton of games I missed from the PS2 era I keep meaning to go back and play.  I know I've asked this before, but any suggestions on the major ones I should hit?  I've never played any of the persona games, so I know I need to hit them (Are they like Final Fantasy where every game is totally independant from the others, or should I try to play them in order?).


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Fabricated on September 25, 2013, 05:48:13 AM
Hrm, may have to give that a shot then.  There are a ton of games I missed from the PS2 era I keep meaning to go back and play.  I know I've asked this before, but any suggestions on the major ones I should hit?  I've never played any of the persona games, so I know I need to hit them (Are they like Final Fantasy where every game is totally independant from the others, or should I try to play them in order?).
Persona is good if you can get into it; acquired taste. They're largely all independent of eachother but have a lot of underlying motifs.

FF10 is...eh, it's okay. Not great.
FF12 is pretty good but seriously feels like an MMO and goes on foreverrrrr. It looks awesome in PCSX2 however when configured well.

Dragon Quest VIII (above) is good, but pretty faithful to the old NES titles. High encounter rate and pretty high difficulty.

Entire Fatal Frame series. 1, 2, and 3. 2 being the best IMO.

Disgaea series if you dig super-spergy isometric turn-based strategy RPGs.

Silent Hill series.

Zone of the Enders 1/2.

Front Mission 4...

PS2 has one of the best libraries in gaming. There's a lot of stuff I'm failing to remember.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Teleku on September 25, 2013, 06:48:30 AM
Thanks, thats a great start there.  I had forgotten about the Disgea games as well.  I don't know why I'm even contemplating this, I haven't even touched 70% of the games I got off steams summer sale yet....


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on September 25, 2013, 10:42:11 AM
If you're interested in Shin Megami Tensei, my favorite is the Digital Devil Saga set.  I can't find my save files, which normally would have me hide the discs and pretend they didn't exist, but I'm contemplating a replay.

Shadowhearts 1/2 are great also.  #2 is better than #1 but you won't really know what the fuck is going on if you skip #1.

My favorite modern FF is XII.  I much prefer political struggle to moon monsters.

Picking a small set of superb PS2 games is an unfair task.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: luckton on September 25, 2013, 11:09:03 AM
My favorite modern FF is XII.  I much prefer political struggle to moon monsters.


Same.  Also, fuck 13's battle and equipment system.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on September 25, 2013, 11:52:43 AM
Rogue Galaxy!

Edit: I should mention Shadowhearts 2 is one of the best RPGs I've ever played, but weirder than Shadowhearts 1. I don't THINK you need to play the first to enjoy the second because the game itself is good. Oh, and obviously, Digital Devil Saga. So, so good.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: K9 on September 25, 2013, 01:58:23 PM
I have a deep love for FFX; I actually played through it three times; never came close to 100% completion though, because that involved the usual 'farm 9999 of these 2% drop rate items three times to make an item for each of your characters' bullshit that is part and parcel of final fantasy games. Everything else about it I loved, even the daft plot.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on September 25, 2013, 03:38:53 PM
OK, sure, Shadowhearts 2 is fine in its own right and you can jump in and not be lost, but you'll be missing out on character history and such.

Do not play Digital Devil Saga 2 without completing the first one.  DO NOT.

One of the reasons I'm fucking around with PCSX2 is that I need to complete Rogue Galaxy.  Along with a dozen other things.

I played with the GS settings in PCSX2 and I brought cookies.
Standard native:
Antialias and 6x scaling:


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Rendakor on September 25, 2013, 04:58:45 PM
Wow, that looks really good. I never got into Rogue Galaxy because my PS2 was crapping out and I didn't want to replace it at the end of it's life cycle. Is there a guide somewhere to getting PCSX2 to work well?


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: schild on September 25, 2013, 05:19:40 PM
Digital Devil Saga is, yes, a case of needing to play the whole saga in order. Man, 2 would make literally zero sense.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on September 25, 2013, 08:44:28 PM
Digital Devil Saga is, yes, a case of needing to play the whole saga in order. Man, 2 would make literally zero sense.

Also also also optional bosses in #1 get you special items in #2 when you import your save.

Wow, that looks really good. I never got into Rogue Galaxy because my PS2 was crapping out and I didn't want to replace it at the end of it's life cycle. Is there a guide somewhere to getting PCSX2 to work well?

The emulator works great right out of the box; I mean that it pretty much lets you play PS2 games.  There are many options available but you probably don't want to touch any of them, for the most part.  I did have FFXII hang on me almost from the get-go, but there are some notes on the PCSX2 site as well as the wiki that should help with tweaking it once I get around to playing it again.

The graphical guide I used is here: http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php/GSDX

I'll mention that actually running a game at 6x with AA will PROBABLY give you a slower game unless you're playing games on God.  I enabled it in Atelier Iris 3, of all things, and the slowdown just walking around town was obvious.  I have a four-core i5@2.8GHz with 8GB RAM and a Nvidia GTX 650 Ti and it works well enough at moderate upscales, if that gives you a baseline.

Another pro-tip: lots of graphical glitches can be eliminated by switching to software mode (F9), although software is always native resolution.  Example: the Judgement Ring is fixed in software.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on September 26, 2013, 12:12:13 AM
Shit, I am actually considering this now.  Because I don't already have a bajillion things to play.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: rk47 on September 26, 2013, 02:17:44 AM
No. The Agarest series is total shit and in no way related to Disgaea

Radicalthon time


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on September 26, 2013, 09:28:34 AM
Apparently all I had to do was use pictures instead of words.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Fordel on September 26, 2013, 04:09:46 PM
They are worth a thousand each right?


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on September 27, 2013, 02:45:45 PM
Okay, so I decided to try this PCSX2 emulator thing.  After about an hour and a half of fiddling around and finally figuring out how to upload the bios, how to configure a game pad, and that I should stay away from the DX9 and select DX11 in the graphics setting....this shit is fucking amazing.  I got FFXII loaded up at 6 times native resolution and all the aliasing turned on and it looks stupendously good.  Running at between 40 and 50 FPS (50 is max for PAL).  I am seriously blown away.  This is on my laptop, which I am about to take on a trip to the US, so now I am pretty sure I am going to bring along a few crusty old PS2 games.  Only issue I see at the moment is that the video cutscenes are hitching a bit, but maybe I have solved that with the DX11 switch. (Note: nope, still hitches, but I don't care).

It was a little tough to set up at first (I am not schooled in this sort of thing), but now I believe I more or less have the hang of it.  Really, really amazing.  I can't believe I haven't tried this before.  Now I can go back and play a bunch of the PS2 games I never played and never wanted to go back to because of the shitty graphics.  Not so shitty any more!

This totally exceeded my expectations.  Wow.



Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: HaemishM on September 27, 2013, 03:27:16 PM
Goddamnit, you guys are making me want to do this just to see if I can finish Persona 3. Next you're going to tell me there's a way to get my saves off a PS2 memory card and onto my PC to accomplish that.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Quinton on September 27, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
Is there a single download that has all the bits (obviously not ISOs, just the emulator and addons or whatever)?  Last time I looked at the newer console emulation space it was this horror of "oh download this plugin from over here and this other thing from over there and copy these config files and..." and was just a huge pain in the ass (and not terribly stable).  But that was a few years ago.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on September 28, 2013, 01:40:57 AM
I ultimately found a torrent that had both the emulator and a separate bios file.  You still have to unpack the bios file into the emulator's directory, but once you figure out what you are doing it is pretty easy.  The first mistake I made was not noticing in the emulator config that the software was pointing to the original unpacked bios folder that I still had sitting in my Downloads folder, not the correct bios folder which was unpacked in the PCSX2 folder.  Much needless frustration.

Mod Edit (Fabricated): It's no big; but I'll err on the side of safety and remove a link to the torrent. The PS2 BIOS is pretty hilariously easy to find anyway.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: satael on September 28, 2013, 03:21:11 AM
There are no "legal ways" to get both the emulator and the bios at the same time since it's illegal to distribute the bios (and you should extract it from your own ps2 if you wanted to "play by the rules"). The best place to get the emulator is http://pcsx2.net/ (http://pcsx2.net/) but it really doesn't matter that much since the newest version is over a year old so any versions till floating around are probably up to date.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Fabricated on September 28, 2013, 11:58:38 AM
Goddamnit, you guys are making me want to do this just to see if I can finish Persona 3. Next you're going to tell me there's a way to get my saves off a PS2 memory card and onto my PC to accomplish that.
http://pcsx2.net/

Emu has an installer and comes with all the plugins you need since there isn't a giant plugin ecosystem like with the PSX. I think there are other gamepad plugins but that's about it. You still need to do some configuring of graphic plugins to get the resolution/options you want, and depending on the game it might require tweaking. A lot of people have posted working settings for most games you can just follow.

Now the BIOS is something you'll need to find on your own.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on September 28, 2013, 12:34:46 PM
The link I posted above has everything you need, except I think for a utility for importing saved files (you can still save, you just can't import I think).  Bios files included as well.

If posting such a link is considered improper around here, please delete.

I used to love the old Dragon Quest games, so I am probably going to give 8 a try.



Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Quinton on September 30, 2013, 01:46:00 AM
There are no "legal ways" to get both the emulator and the bios at the same time since it's illegal to distribute the bios (and you should extract it from your own ps2 if you wanted to "play by the rules"). The best place to get the emulator is http://pcsx2.net/ (http://pcsx2.net/) but it really doesn't matter that much since the newest version is over a year old so any versions till floating around are probably up to date.

Yeah, I wasn't actually worried about the BIOS, etc -- I just recall the last time I tried this (though maybe I'm confusing it with some other emulator project -- probably for the PSX), the base emulator needed various graphics add-on plugins and whatnot to make anything work and you had to chase them down from various forum sites and so on.  Good to know all the goodies (except the gray area IP stuff) are available from the main site.  Will have to give it a look.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on September 30, 2013, 02:09:54 AM
The emulator seems to include everything other than the bios.  I suppose there are plenty of other Graphics or other plugins to be had, but I imagine you can ignore most or all of that.

As far as BIOS legality and whatnot, my conscience rests easy, knowing that I have a PS2 sitting in the basement that works just fine.  I just don't want to bother with trying to dump the BIOS from it.



Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: luckton on September 30, 2013, 04:43:38 AM
Is there a single download that has all the bits (obviously not ISOs, just the emulator and addons or whatever)?  Last time I looked at the newer console emulation space it was this horror of "oh download this plugin from over here and this other thing from over there and copy these config files and..." and was just a huge pain in the ass (and not terribly stable).  But that was a few years ago.

The only "bits" are the emulator itself and the BIOS needed to make the emulator function.  You're on your own for the BIOS bit, unfortunately.   :tinfoil:


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: HaemishM on September 30, 2013, 11:09:04 AM
My understanding is that to get my save games from memory cards requires either a modded PS2 or a SwapMagic CD/DVD? Is that correct?


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Fabricated on September 30, 2013, 11:52:47 AM
I never thought about it, but I actually have an official PS2 memory card -> USB adapter that I used to copy my PS2 saves to my PS3. I wonder if it'd work directly connected to the PC, or if I could transfer the saves from the PS3 to a USB thumbdrive?


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: HaemishM on September 30, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
Based on my limited Googling yesterday, I think you could if you download a program that converts the save files on the USB to the proper PS2CX format.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on October 01, 2013, 12:26:54 AM
There is supposedly a tool call myMC that does the work of importing saved files (of any file type), but I haven't gotten it to work so far due to some missing file error.  There may be others that do the same job.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on October 01, 2013, 03:18:57 PM
OK, getting PS2 saves to a PC.  I did it, mentioned so in the "what I'm playing" thread I think.  I was very, very happy that I got my DDS/DDS2 saves into PCSX2 format.

I pulled them off of my PS3 and I remember WAY back that I had purchased the dongle that lets you plug a PS2 memory card into it and USB it to the PS3.  What I believe happened was that I created a new virtual card on the PS3 and then just did a copy of save files through the XMB, similar to how you'd use the Copy function in the PS2.  This will convert them to ".psv" format.  Can it be done directly to PC?  Not sure.

The rest of it was a small learning experience.  I'll host the files since I figured out which ones to use.
You'll need:
USB storage device
PSVExporter (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85916/ps2/psvexporter11.zip) for extracting files from the PSV saves.
PS2 Save Builder (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85916/ps2/Ps2_Save_Builder_0.8x.zip) for creating a new PS2 save file from the extracted files.
MyMC (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85916/ps2/mymc-alpha-2.6.zip) for converting that save file into something PCSX2 can use.

Steps:
Plug the USB storage into your PS3.  Use XMB to copy your PS2 saves from the virtual memory cards directly to the USB device.
Take these files to your PC.

Start PSV Exporter.  Click "Load PSV File" icon.
Now, where are your PSV files?  On the USB device, there should be a directory structure: PS3/EXPORT/PSV
Choose a .PSV file to load.  You should see at least three files in the program window.  Click "Extract All Files" icon and choose a new location.
The PSV Exporter program will create a new directory at your chosen location with a particular name.  Example: BASCUS-97490LV5RG_03 for Rogue Galaxy.  This is important to leave unmolested.

Start PS2 Save Builder.
In Win Explorer, navigate to the directory that was just created.  Drag all files into the window of PS2 Save Builder.  You should see the game icon appear in the window on the right.
In the "Root/ID" box, type the name of the directory.  Strictly speaking this isn't required but in the end you're really going to want the save files to look like real save files.
Click the save icon.  In the resulting dialog, choose "X-Port 2(*.xps)" and save this somewhere.  While other extensions may work, I know this one works.

Start PCSX2.
Go to Config->Memory Cards.
Create a new memory card for purposes of accepting the save files.
Insert this into a slot.  Click OK or otherwise close out the memory card plugin.
Go to CDVD and select "No Disc".
Now System->Boot CDVD(fast).
Inside the probably-familiar PS2 front-end, enter the browser and format the new memory card.
Close PCSX2.

Start mymc-gui.exe.
It should prompt to open something.  It wants a PCSX2 memory card, so select the one you just formatted.  You can actually use an existing memory card if you want, but just to be safe I like to use a empty one.
Click the Import button.  Navigate to the .xps file that you just created.  You should see a new line in the MyMC window that matches what you were importing.

Start PCSX2 again.  If your memory card is still plugged in, you should be able to go into the PS2 Browser and check out your save files.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Quinton on October 02, 2013, 04:43:55 AM
This is pretty slick.  Fired it up, dropped a PS2 disc in the dvd drive and off it went.  I need to sort out the video configuration to get some better scaling, etc going, but pretty impressive.  Somewhere I've got a PS2 and pile of PS2 memory cards.   Gotta find them.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: satael on October 02, 2013, 06:32:37 AM
This is pretty slick.  Fired it up, dropped a PS2 disc in the dvd drive and off it went.  I need to sort out the video configuration to get some better scaling, etc going, but pretty impressive.  Somewhere I've got a PS2 and pile of PS2 memory cards.   Gotta find them.

It's even more slick if you can turn the discs into isos and eliminate the load times (almost totally)  :grin:


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on October 02, 2013, 09:24:27 AM
I need to sort out the video configuration to get some better scaling, etc going,

http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php/GSDX#Quick_guide_to_the_settings


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: luckton on December 05, 2013, 12:07:04 PM
Guys, guys, guys...FFVIII (8) is now on Steam  :ye_gods: :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Rasix on December 05, 2013, 12:10:26 PM
Guys, guys, guys...FFXIII (8) is now on Steam  :ye_gods: :why_so_serious:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/noooo-o.gif)

edit: Hah, I didn't notice you had XIII.  I knew 8 was coming to Steam.  I don't see the point.  No one likes that game.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: luckton on December 05, 2013, 12:41:31 PM
I think it says something for how broken VIII's magic system was when they give you a hack for the PC version that let's you reload 100 copies of all the basic spells  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Kail on December 05, 2013, 12:48:23 PM
Not sure if I'm falling in to the sarchasm or something, but 8 is VIII not XIII.  XIII is the one with Lightning and Pulse and fal'Cie and all that stuff.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: luckton on December 05, 2013, 12:49:51 PM
Fixes, fixed, and mea culpa.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Rendakor on December 05, 2013, 05:31:30 PM
I thought VIII was pretty good, although after hearing how bad VII is on PC I'm unlikely to bite on this either.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: koro on December 06, 2013, 03:20:27 AM
For what it's worth? FFVII was virtually unplayable on PC when it first came out, but FFVIII ran like a dream, even on a Pentium 3 back in 1999. Well, its demo at least. I got the full game on the PSX like a normal person.

I might actually pick this up some time, since I'm one of those psychos who actually likes FFVIII, plus it comes with the Chocobo World game for the PocketStation that never saw the light of day outside Japan.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on December 06, 2013, 04:11:48 AM
8 had some of the worst combat in the series.  Long, drawn out BS with unskippable and neverending summoning animations.  And summoning seemed to be the number one combat choice in most situations.  Weapons were pointless.  Drawing magic was retarded.  Levelling and assigning abilities a tremendous  pain. All of these things were some of the worst in series, all rolled into one game.

And it is a shame, because it might have actually had one of the better stories.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: koro on December 07, 2013, 03:34:47 PM
http://kotaku.com/squall-reacts-to-final-fantasy-viii-on-steam-1478116837

It's Kotaku, but an actually decent read.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Trippy on December 07, 2013, 03:38:07 PM
They left out his most common response in the game "....." which was ridiculously excessive even by JRPG norms.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Merusk on December 08, 2013, 06:43:41 PM
They left out his most common response in the game "....." which was ridiculously excessive even by JRPG norms.


You just don't understand Squall's inner angst!

I will say that I always enjoyed the opening fight scene, and the parade scene.

But this is why we have YouTube, so you don't have to play the game anymore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-PcLtxo_t8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMwtj_PsKrA

Trust me those looked awesome 14 years ago! (yes, it's been that long..)

Ed:  Parade scene loses a LOT without the music, here's one with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=div0mNSrY6w


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Fabricated on December 09, 2013, 07:01:44 AM
FF8 is probably the worst regular FF title. Utterly broken systems (to the point it could be trivially broken over your knee in literally 30 minutes or so of play after you finally get going), incomprehensible plot, not really that interesting of a world, mostly bad characters, Nomura designs.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Chimpy on December 09, 2013, 07:10:34 AM
I think I had more fun playing 8 than 7. I think a lot of that had to do with graphics, the 3d bobble-head graphics of 7 never really did much for me. Possibly also had to do with being able to fly around in a rocket ship  :grin:

I know the gameplay was wonky and broken, but I liked it better than the stupid gem-shuffle of 7 which annoyed the piss out of me.

As to one comment above, I thought you could cancel summon animations in 8 by hitting select during the start of the animation?


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Fabricated on December 09, 2013, 08:05:07 AM
You didn't want to cancel, because you could boost your summons (notably Eden which was literally like a minute and a half long) by mushing the X button if I recall.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: luckton on December 09, 2013, 08:31:14 AM
8 was all about trying to be as flashy as fuck and literally try to break the PSX's hardware.  I actually thought 8 was better than 7 in some regards, and vice-versa for others.

Of course, 9 trumps both of them  :grin:


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Nightblade on December 12, 2013, 07:30:33 AM
They left out his most common response in the game "....." which was ridiculously excessive even by JRPG norms.


(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/198l4xplzggkbgif/ku-medium.gif)


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Yegolev on December 12, 2013, 09:08:23 AM
This was the game that prompted me to replace all instances of ellipses with a fart sound.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Kail on September 18, 2014, 07:08:36 PM

Guys, guys, guys...FFXIII (8) is now on Steam  :ye_gods: :why_so_serious:

THE PROPHECY HAS COME TRUUUUUUUUUUUUE (http://store.steampowered.com/app/292120/)

Also, we got the remake of FF3 and 4, too.  Hopefully the rest will make their way over eventually.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: HaemishM on September 19, 2014, 11:18:53 AM
Save yourselves $15. Put a DVD of some random anime at either end of your hallway, then walk between each DVD player and press play for 100 hours straight.


Title: Re: guys guys guys
Post by: Cyrrex on September 20, 2014, 09:42:35 AM
Save yourselves $15. Put a DVD of some random anime at either end of your hallway, then walk between each DVD player and press play for 100 hours straight.

Unfortunately, that's a pretty good description of the game.  I admit I am still something of a fanboy of FF single player games, but this game...god damn.  There was actually plenty to like.  The story was good enough (for a FF fanboy), the combat was fun enough, and the game absolutely looked the tits.  But yeah, endless fucking hallway.  It is one thing to put invisible walls around your RPG and direct players where you want them to go.  It's another thing to make it insanely transparent.  And shit, remove all semblance of the world by doing all your shopping online, and you never have to interact with towns or other people.  No idea why this would appeal to anyone, even if you are tired of the old formula.

The irony for me was once the game opened up...that was what made me stop playing.  I couldn't handle the transition from one extreme to the other.

And yet I am so broken that I'm intrigued that it is coming to PC!