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Title: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Thrawn on October 29, 2012, 04:52:56 PM
Has anyone used the beta client much?  I just downloaded and tried it and at a short first glance it seems arguably worse than the original client, and that's a pretty impressive feat.

Is this a disaster they are working on or have I just not "gotten used to it"?


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Xilren's Twin on October 31, 2012, 07:48:31 AM
I'll just repost what i put in the below thread

A few months back i was beta testing it and not only did it not add a single improvement that I could find, it was also buggy as hell.  I think in 10+ trys and just regular games, drafts, sealed etc i was never able to complete a full 3 game match due to crashes and bugs.  You name it, it didnt work right - deck construction, collection filters, chat channels, games themselves.  And these were issues known for weeks/months.  My first post on the beta boards was basically how shocked i was at the state it was in consifering how long it had been in development.  I think most testers got so frustrated they gave up (i know i did).  They were even giving booster packs to the real game away to testers who participated in certain events and they still couldnt get enough people on.  Think about that - people refusing to play free magic b/c the client was that bad.

Who knows, maybe they "Miracle Patched TM" it.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on October 31, 2012, 01:03:31 PM
God it's bad.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Setanta on November 01, 2012, 01:35:38 AM
I'm tryint remember when a new client wasn't bad.

It makes me cry


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Soln on April 13, 2013, 10:20:23 PM
Wow.  This is terrible.

I couldn't even get the engine to turn over, let alone take the game for a spin.  Fuck me.  I did get a game (my first) working, but holy shit this is an awful UI and workflow.  I guess you guys can see through the myriad of shitty software design decisions to see a real game here.  I'm baffled.  The crotchpheasants have me!

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7:26 PM [sSET PRM R] Welcome to Magic Online!  If you need assistance please find a member of the ORC team (Online Response Crew).  If there's not one in this room, please click Menu > Help > Chat with Support or check out the '[a:url=http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/howdoi]How Do I[/a]' page.  Have fun!
7:26 PM New Player Tickets can be used to help join the New Player Phantom Sealed queue and the New Player Phantom Draft queue. You can find both of those queues in the Limited Queues room.
7:31 PM Soln: I just joined and I've been unable to start a newbie game.  Doesnt the starter pack come with pre-build decks?
7:31 PM ORC_Booker: [@P]It Does Soln yes![/@]
7:31 PM ORC_Booker: [@P]To access the planeswalker decks, hit the load button in the deck editor or the browse button on the New Game Menu. This will pull up the Load Deck Menu. Change the Look In: Drop down tab to Theme Decks. Open the Planeswalker 2013 folder - Those are where your Planeswalker 2013 decks are located. [/@]7:31 PM ORC_Booker is away - If you need immediate assistance, seek out another ORC in Chat with Support! (Menu->Help->Chat with Support)
7:45 PM Soln: Folks, the problem I'm having is that the starter pack doesn't seem to be included.  I'm trying to start a new game (my first) and after choosing Planeswalker 2013 I get the dialog on a new game that I don't own any of them.  So, how I can know what starter decks I have?
7:46 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]Soln, have you opened your New Account package?[/@]
7:46 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]To get started on Magic Online click the "Collection" tab at the bottom of the screen and find the [a:url=card://2000070][@xFF006600][@b]Magic Online New Account Starter Kit[@n][/@][/a], then right click on it and choose "Open."  It comes with 2 Event Tickets, 1 Magic 2013 booster, 1 Planeswalker 2013 Deck Pack, [a:url=http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/07242012d]four New Player Tickets[/a], 5 Avatars, and a group of Magic 2013 cards that will give you access to numerous pre-built decks so you can get started right away. [/@]
7:46 PM Soln: yes I did awhile ago -- how can I check?
7:47 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]Soln, open your collection, you should be able to see how many objects are in your collection.[/@]
7:48 PM Soln: I see 988 cards
7:49 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]That most likely means you have oepend the New Account package, Soln.[/@]
7:50 PM Soln: yes in Magic Online\Decks\Planeswalker 2013
7:51 PM Soln: I just select any of them and several of the cards appear in red in the Deck Editor, and I'm unable to create any new game because they are apparently missing.  Im very confused :(
7:52 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]Soln, you want to ensure you are not using the 2013 expansion decks, as they are not in the starter pack.[/@]
7:52 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]You can find a breakdown of the Planeswalker Deck packs [a:url=http://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2184/kw/2184?id=5]here[/a]. [/@]7:52 PM Soln: ok how do I do that?  I jsut want to select a .dek file to play a starter game
7:54 PM Soln: let me try a more basic question: does the Planeswalker 2013 deck include all the cards so I can do a game or do I need to purchase the missing cards in red?  Im confused because I thought I got a basic set to just get started.  Thanks
7:54 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]Soln, your starter pack should include all the cards necessary to play some of the decks.[/@]
7:54 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]You should be able to use the following 2013 Planeswalker format decks : Ajani, Chandra, Garruk, Jace, Krenko, Liliana, Odric, Nefarox, Yeva, and Talrand.[/@]
7:56 PM Soln: those are not listed.  I have things like AncientWilds.dek and Aura Servants.dek and others
7:58 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]Soln, will you try one of the decks from the Planeswalker 2012 folder for me please?[/@]
7:59 PM Soln: it list things Ancient Depths.dek Apex Predators.dek and others
7:59 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]Right.  Will you try a few of those out for me?[/@]
8:00 PM Soln: those seem to load
8:00 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]You seem to have the Planeswalker 2012 Deck Pack, not the Planeswalker 2013 pack, Soln.[/@]
8:01 PM Soln: then why is the folder there? thats where I was told to look
8:01 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]Soln, new users receive the 2013 pack as part of their New Account package.[/@
8:01 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]Your account was most likely registered before we switched from 2012 to 2013.[/@]
8:02 PM Soln: ok so do I need to buy 2013 to play?
8:02 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]You do not need to, no.[/@]
8:02 PM ORC_Booker is back
8:04 PM Soln: thanks, so should I buy 2013?  has everyone moved on?
8:04 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]Soln, all of the Planeswalker deck packs are playable in the Planeswalker format at any given time.[/@]
8:05 PM Soln: ok thanks
8:05 PM ORC_Dova: [@P]You're welcome. [/@]



Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on April 13, 2013, 10:59:29 PM
I cant stress this enough. No one except competitive players testing or grinding should play modo. Fucking EVER.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Aza on May 12, 2013, 10:22:43 PM
It's true, MTGO is such an impressive waste of potential, especially with the advent of the Beta client.

-The UI tries to defeat you - and I actually prefer the beta client to the alpha, since it is my first client, at least it is moderately more intuitive than the alpha
-Good luck figuring out the game (you sure as heck won't get any help from the program)
-Due to level of inaccessibility, only the good players stay, demoralizing new players who lose money/tickets
-etcetc

MTG is such a good game, if only Wizards looked at Wizard101 or LoL, copied some things, and made some card product more accessible for noobs, they would do the brand right. The Hex MMO will try to beat them to it in the online space.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Malakili on May 13, 2013, 07:45:08 AM
I'm torn about it.  Its bad for all the reasons everyone knows, so I won't say them again.  On the other hand, it is also Magic that I can play anytime.  I haven't invest all that much into it, but I have a couple reasonable standard decks and the Pauper format is affordable to anyone.  Obviously it isn't a good way to learn the game; for a newbie I imagine it is terrible.  But as someone who was just looking for a way to get in a few games of magic now and again with full deck building it more or less gives me that. 


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Brofellos on May 13, 2013, 01:27:56 PM
I'm torn about it.  Its bad for all the reasons everyone knows, so I won't say them again.  On the other hand, it is also Magic that I can play anytime.  I haven't invest all that much into it, but I have a couple reasonable standard decks and the Pauper format is affordable to anyone.  Obviously it isn't a good way to learn the game; for a newbie I imagine it is terrible.  But as someone who was just looking for a way to get in a few games of magic now and again with full deck building it more or less gives me that. 

You are spot on, but that doesn't change the problems that exist with both the current client and the new one.  As someone who played a ton of competitive magic before hopping online I had to spend a lot of time learning the esoteric ins and outs (trading, finding the 'classifieds' section, looking at old sealed pools, etc) but nothing about the beta makes that more elegant or easier.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Merusk on May 19, 2013, 08:09:37 PM
So I recovered my PW today. Good lord this client is shit.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ironwood on May 20, 2013, 10:15:51 AM
This is all shit.  Everything about this from the reset front end to the website, to the client, is utter, utter dogshit.

Hex (and I am loathe to say this) is going to render this shit obsolete.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on May 20, 2013, 10:30:46 AM
Hex (and I am loathe to say this) is going to render this shit obsolete.

You misspelled "love." I don't even know where the "ath" came from. You even fucked up the grammar.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ironwood on May 20, 2013, 10:32:16 AM
Aye, your views are on record mate.   :awesome_for_real:

(But seriously, I've been out of MtGO for YEARS.  How come I peek my nose in and it's worse than it was ?  How's that even possible ?)


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on May 20, 2013, 10:34:23 AM
I don't know what to tell you. The MTGO client's UI is maybe the worst thing on the planet. The fact it accounts for something like 18% of Wizards Magic revenue BLOWS MY FUCKING MIND.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ironwood on May 20, 2013, 10:51:03 AM
All that tells me is that there's a market waiting to explode.

Enter Hex.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Merusk on May 20, 2013, 11:54:34 AM
I agree with the Scot. I'd seen you guys bitching for a while, but hadn't experienced it until I decided to reactivate and dump my cards. 

It's just 90 kinds of terrible.  And the one thing you really want out of a card game - seeing the cards up-close - is fucking terrible to figure out AND the formatting on all of them is fucked up.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ironwood on May 20, 2013, 01:38:30 PM
JESUS CHRIST, WHAT THE FUCK BASIC WEBSITE NO WORK.

THIS IS UTTER, UTTER FUCKING CLOWNSHOES.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on May 20, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
So, you and the wife gonna play Hex?


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Soln on May 20, 2013, 02:19:19 PM
Their ORC's are also execrable.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ironwood on May 20, 2013, 02:26:01 PM
So, you and the wife gonna play Hex?

All signs point to Yes.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on May 20, 2013, 02:48:02 PM
BRAVO


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Brofellos on May 20, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
MTGO is bad now, but holy shit the Beta.  It's like a doctor saying 'So we've cured your diabetes but in the process you became epileptic'


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: WayAbvPar on May 22, 2013, 01:51:29 PM
Dammit. Downloaded this last night to take a look at my collection tonight..and now you tell me that not only didn't they fix the UI, they made it worse? That is a pretty impressive feat.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ironwood on May 22, 2013, 03:41:05 PM
It's so bad.   I had, however, forgotten how many bloody nice cards I had.

Also, zombies.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Malakili on May 22, 2013, 04:20:13 PM
For some reason when I try to download the new client it fails every time at the end for some non-descriptive reason.  Looks like the old client for me.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on May 22, 2013, 09:05:08 PM
It's so bad.   I had, however, forgotten how many bloody nice cards I had.

Also, zombies.
Donate the collection to f13 =D


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ironwood on May 23, 2013, 03:49:51 AM
I'm going to donate the collection to Ebay.

 :grin:


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on May 23, 2013, 08:37:58 AM
Weak.

Also, MODO collections sell like shit on Ebay.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ironwood on May 23, 2013, 08:44:42 AM
In seriousness, the wife and I will probably get a few games in to prepare for the Onslaught that is Hex, beyond that I have no plans.  I suspect, much like the 14 boxes of cards in the garage, my digital collection will stay with me until I die.

 :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on May 23, 2013, 08:55:12 AM
Sad :(


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Margalis on May 30, 2013, 05:37:33 PM
Wait...is this another new client and not just the old new client? And it's even worse than that?


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on May 30, 2013, 07:56:46 PM
They redid the old new client. I'm not kidding.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Numtini on June 09, 2013, 10:52:47 AM
Feeling a bit flush after going through my old paper cards and adding up their values (anyone want an unplayed mint Bazaar of Baghdad or Library of Alexandria?), I decided $10 wasn't too expensive to give this a whirl.

I don't see what everyone's complaining about. We have a beta client for Windows 95 and the old client for 3.1. Seems like everything's covered. :ye_gods:

It was worth coughing up ten bucks, for screwing around with the non-tradeable newbie decks and seeing how the whole thing works, but I'm predicing the guys at Crypto are going to be getting very wealthy.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on June 09, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
Fun fact, I have 5 Bazaar of Baghdad. No one wants any of them. So I'm just sort of hording Bazaars.

I'd be happy to sell your cards for you for whatever I can get at the next big event though.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Quinton on June 11, 2013, 12:40:45 AM
Is MODO different than Magic: The Gathering - Duels of the Planeswalkers?


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ingmar on June 11, 2013, 12:42:17 AM
Yes. Magic Online is 'real' magic - buy boosters with real money at the same price as paper, all the cards are functional, deckbuilding is complete, the normal slate of tournaments are there, no AI, etc. It's what the PVP half of Hex will be essentially.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Numtini on June 11, 2013, 07:25:05 AM
Is MODO different than Magic: The Gathering - Duels of the Planeswalkers?

Different games.

MODO/MTGO: Full clone of the paper game. PC only. PVP only. Buy boxes/boosters with exact price and makeup of paper retail. Play the same formats. This is the terrible interface people are talking about. Biggest problem I see is that if you're not heavily invested and experienced, you're complete chum.

Duels of the Planeswalkers: Limited newbie game. PC/Xbox360/PS3/IOS. PVE against an AI opponent or multiplayer. The game has pre-made decks and each deck has 40 cards you can unlock either by winning 40 games with the deck or by paying a few bucks. The AI is terrible, even I can beat it until you turn it up to the top level, when it cheats--then it seems to mostly be choosing the right deck to counter. At least on the PC version the multiplayer is dead. There were three people on last night in prime time. Yeah.Three. Planeswalkers 14 should be coming out in about a month.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Quinton on June 11, 2013, 02:05:51 PM
Decided to throw $10 at MODO/MTGO last night to see what that was like (Schild warned me away but I had already pushed the BUY NOW button).  Wow, this is some impressively horrible user interface.

Any suggestions for somebody just wanting to dabble a bit and not dump much money into this (since I'm bought into HEX anyway and hoping it will not be nearly so clunky).  And good getting started on the cheap guides or whatnot?


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Numtini on June 11, 2013, 02:42:35 PM
If you didn't get the beta version, despite not being very good, it's loads better than the "release" one.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Quinton on June 11, 2013, 02:46:13 PM
I grabbed the beta because it was recommended for new players and I figured why not!


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ingmar on June 11, 2013, 03:14:25 PM
If you didn't get the beta version, despite not being very good, it's loads better than the "release" one.

I do not agree (at least as of the last time I looked at the beta a couple months ago.) It's less ugly than the older regular client, but I found it less usable.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Quinton on June 11, 2013, 03:21:09 PM
Is there a way to try out the UI vs a bot or something?  I'm a little uncertain about wanting to flail around trying to play against some unfortunate real person while I try to figure out how this mess operates.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ingmar on June 11, 2013, 03:36:57 PM
There's a 'new player' room I think.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Quinton on June 11, 2013, 03:45:37 PM
Yeah and apparently these special Planeswalker cards in the new account pack are for preconstructed decks only usable in the "Just Starting Out" class.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on June 11, 2013, 04:07:49 PM
Not only that but you can never delete them out of your account and they'll clog it forever.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Quinton on June 11, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
Okay, maybe I won't try that out then.  Sounds awful.



Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Numtini on June 11, 2013, 05:21:09 PM
Okay, maybe I won't try that out then.  Sounds awful.

In the beta client, they only appear if you have "planeswalker" selected in the filter (and all of your other cards then disappear), so I don't think it's that big a deal that you can't drop them. Then I don't have ten thousand cards either.

I played a game with the planeswalker deck with a deck I know from Duels and got obliterated by someone with lots of cards that I just didn't have or recognize. It seems that while it's intended to be a newbie format, most of the people playing it are anything but. They've got multiple copies of the different versions and expansions and it ends up as a kind of high end cheap rares format.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ingmar on June 11, 2013, 05:22:50 PM
I think they release a new $5 set with all the cards each time a new copy of Duels comes out. Most of the fancier cards have restrictions on how many you can put in a deck to stop you from buying 4 planeswalker packs to do that, but maybe that's changed? Been years since I looked at that format.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Numtini on June 12, 2013, 07:30:03 AM
I think they release a new $5 set with all the cards each time a new copy of Duels comes out. Most of the fancier cards have restrictions on how many you can put in a deck to stop you from buying 4 planeswalker packs to do that, but maybe that's changed? Been years since I looked at that format.

The restricted list really isn't that big. It's mostly instant win cards. What I'm thinking of is most of the pre-mades in planes decks have like 5 clunkers and 10 "meh" cards. You buy a couple of more packs and you can fill out the lousy commons and uncommons and the decks gets really powerful. It creates a cheap format that you can easily play for 20 or 30 dollars, but it's not an even playing field where for newbies to get in the game and have a reasonable chance against other newbies.

It seems like every game that has a beginner room it's either empty or its wolves looking for sheep.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: eldaec on June 17, 2013, 05:25:40 AM
You can do that with any magic precon.

They really are maybe a dozen common swaps from a strong casual room deck. (Nowhere near competitive of course)


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Quinton on January 17, 2014, 05:51:10 AM
Finally got around to playing a few games, and yeah, it's pretty clunky, but it's Magic and still enjoyable.  Did a 4 person M14 sealed queue event (phantom/newplayer) and came in second (possibly could have won but I ran out of time in the middle of the last game).  Definitely a fun format.  Looking forward to HEX supporting sealed and draft, but may keep playing some MTGO too.  Experimenting a bit with Pauper Constructed as a possibly-not-hideously-expensive format to play some constructed in.

Also writing some code to convert Match_*.dat to human readable form -- sadly they appear to be just the console log, not full replay context.

Is it possible to get replay data for matches you've played in the queue once they scroll out of the window?  Individual games show up under account info and I can replay them, but once the match vanished from the completed part of the queue list I was not able to find it again.  Which is a bummer.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on January 17, 2014, 10:44:21 AM
The Pauper market on MODO is so warped around like 3-4 decks. Cards that shouldn't have any value do. Its' a weird format.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Ingmar on June 26, 2014, 03:55:26 PM
It's not the new client, but their new website design also sucks.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: Velorath on June 26, 2014, 04:07:08 PM
But hey, at least they're finally allowing you to actually build a deck in the next DOTP game.


Title: Re: MTGO - New Client
Post by: schild on June 26, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
Well, they have to, or Hex is nothing like Duels.