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Relevant post is here (http://forum.bloodbowl-game.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=813&start=220), second from the bottom.

It looks as though we are going to be getting a new version of BB, dubbed the "Chaos Edition".

The tl'dr so far seems to be that Underworld and Chaos Dwarves are coming out (hence the 'chaos' part I suppose), along with...




... a brand new custom-created Daemons of Khorne team.

That no-one has heard of, or even knows about.

What could possibly go wrong.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/devofreak/Excited-kid-birthday-party.gif)

Fuck it, I'll be happy if they just fix the goddamn interface so I don't spend at least one turn in the game saying "Fucking Cyanide."

You should so repost that in the thread above  :grin:

It is true, I think what we all want the most is a better ui and a lack of network/connection problems.

Also, as for the Daemons of Khorne thing, the team itself will be new, but Khorne and Khorne Daemons are a part of Warhammer 40k and won't be hard to translate to BB.  The symbol of Khorne, who is the god of blood, is actually an option for a team symbol already.

Any word on LRB 7?

The "what could go wrong" part is letting Cyanide bring their amazing programming skills to the challenge of team balancing.

Anyway, Chaos Dwarves, you say.

EDIT: The rest of that feature list better be partial, only adding 2 star players from the dozens that are missing is disappointing.

Eh, it's not like Blood Bowl is really balanced anyway.  As long as they have a unique way of playing the game I'll be happy.  My only concern at the moment is that they'll occupy the same role as Chaos and be redundant, but not imbalanced.

It could be interesting if they went in a kind of vampire direction with them with a few big guys and then lots of little demons.  In Warhammer there are flesh hounds on the Khorne side.  If the Daemons of Khorne had a team of STR3/AGI3/MA7/AV7 flesh hounds with "no hands" and only a handful of possible daemon ball carriers who had access to mutation skill ups, but were really expensive, I'd be all over them and wouldn't mind playing against them either.

I'd play a Daemons of Khorne team. Khorne is the Chaos God I base my 40k armies around.

Sure, but I still lay even odds that we'll be banning them from Season 7. If we ever have a Season 6 of course.

I want to play an Underworld side. Yes!

There is unlikely to be one for a while, given that there is no consensus on what should go into a news set of rules.

How 'bout AGI 4 Halflings?   :grin:

Why in gods name are they making up their own shitty team when they are still missing both Chaos Pact and Slann?

Well, Slann (apparently) were veto'ed on fluff grounds by GW as to bring it into line with the Warhamster Fantasy Battle lore. CP are a little hard to explain, given that the only new models they would have to have created for them were the Marauder and Cheerleader, and recycled assets for the rest.

The only explanation I can think of, is that Slann and CP are being saved for another, later, release.

Insofar as the Khorne team is concerned - my initial reaction is cynicism, if only because I suspect I know how much shit this decision will earn them if the team is badly balanced or implemented. But, it would be prudent to reserve judgement until we see some kind of roster or outline.

Any word on compatibility with Legendary Edition?

No prior edition has been compatible with the one that came before. They haven't said, but I think the writing is pretty much on the wall.

Should note, though, that when the move was made to Dark Elf, those who had bought the first directly from them received 33% off (maybe even more) of the list price.

Do we get to keep our teams, or does everything reset to zero?

They might not fuck up the Khorne demon team too much, there have been fringe teams that never made the official roster for many many years and that is definitely one of them.

They will get 0-4 Bloodletters (they will probably lose some CW slots as a trade off) though hopefully they don't get a demon big guy because that will probably be OP as fuck. The lesser demons will have ST4 with either MV5AG2 or MV6AG1 I'd guess. They'll cost a little under 100k (70-90k each?) probably depending on if they are AV7 or 8.

They ought to have Horns to start if they look anything like the minis and may start with Frenzy as well.

The real question will be what if anything cyanide does to represent the instability of demons in WH and/or if they get auras like Nurgle does.

Most likely the latter. Keep in mind it is entirely up to Falc when we switch editions.

Fixed.

Slated for September release.  Screenshots of new stuff posted on their Facebook page. (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151670428705228.850175.47065585227&type=1)

Think this will affect our season 6?

I imagine Season 6 will be finished or wrapping up by the time the new version is released.

I want to be optimistic and think that this is the time they'll finally fix the interface for good.

Screenshots of...

Khorne bullshit
Underworld
Khorne bullshit and Chaos Dwarfs

http://bloodbowl-game.com/index.php?rub=news-info&id=300

Underworld - that's my team!

Yep. I've been waiting to play Underworld for years now. Really excited.

Box art

(http://i.imgur.com/zxZE7l.jpg)

Depending on things, I'll probably give the Chaos Dwarfs or Daemons a go.  No new info on the latter yet.

I don't really know why, but that looks terrible.

Not that it matters on steam.

So when it comes out we're all going to play nothing but the new teams, right?

Well, unless they happen to update some of the current ones, which is highly doubtful.  God forbid they'd give Halflings some love or something.  :why_so_serious:

I wish they'd add some more of the star players.

They can't change existing teams. It wouldn't be blood bowl. The player base would march on cyanide.

Even putting in a made up team outside of blitz mode is incredibly borderline and is quite likely to end in tears.

Based on prior upgrades people will still play the old races. I must have about a dozen races I haven't messed with yet. Admittedly 3 of them are fucking elves.

Are they going to fix the fucking problem where the computer decides at the start of a game who gets to play and who doesn't ?

Cause that's a fucking cock problem right there.

I'm sure I'll try out the daemons, but I've played the chaos dwarves in regular play and wasn't too happy with them.  Chaos and humans are my best teams and I anticipate sticking with them.  I just hate to say goodbye to the Presidents and the Emperors.  I would've been interested in Chaos Pact or maybe Slann.  Underworld just doesn't suit me, but they are an interesting team.

Yes, this. They're criminally underrepresented right now.

Beats me why they can't put them all in and use existing high level player models.

If they did then they couldn't release a fourth version a year and a half from now with updated star players and Chaos Pact, whose models are also already in the game, for the most part.

Did read something about this being the 3rd of 3 games cyanide is contractually committed to deliver with Focus.

Chaos Edition discount for current players (http://forum.bloodbowl-game.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1410#p17667)


Works out to around $12 for us dollar folks. 

Does that apply if you have it on Steam, or is it only by buying directly from them, I wonder.

They could get away with both.  Direct sales is easy enough since they can verify your info via you multi-player login.  Steam sales could be handled via the new coupon system; just give everyone that has a BB edition in their library a pass.

It was available on steam when they did the same deal for upgrades from DE to LE.

I suspect they won't use the same system, since the old one was exploitable (if you had DE edition, you could buy multiple copies of Legendary and gift them to people).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kXQJA3NtU8&feature=player_embedded

Teaser trailer, and I do mean teaser.

They really need to release the roster for the Khorne team so we can see how badly they're fucking things up.

EDIT: Was that Barik Farblast? Why would they give us him before Flint Churnblade.  :x

And by teaser you mean why the fuck would they bother producing that?

 :why_so_serious:

The trailer or the Khorne team?

Christ, almost 1/3rd of that video was nothing more than logos. That was particularly useless.

For what it is worth, I'm kind of expecting Khorne to look along these lines (choas with frenzy all over the place and less armour)..

0-1 Big Fucker         150   5 5 2 8   Frenzy Horns MightyBlow Loner WildAnimal             MS/GAP
0-4 Medium Fucker   110   5 4 2 7   Frenzy  Horns                                                    MSG/AP
0-16 Little Fucker       50   6 3 3 7   None                                                                G/MSAP

Rerolls : 60

Starting Roster, 4 Medium Fucker, 7 Little Fucker, 3 Reroll. Or 1 Big Fucker, 3 Medium Fucker, 7 Little Fucker, 2 Reroll.

expect lots of either blood lust or wild animal

That could be an interesting team.  Especially if it had mutation access.  Sort of a Chaos Norse squad.

http://forum.bloodbowl-game.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1258&sid=888a6ff968204a2b9b8ea987ce4cc1a8&start=70

Pushed to October.

LE teams will be transferable to CE.

Transferrable teams is good, but it would be *really* nice for our purposes if LE people could play against the new teams without upgrading.

Good god, man, it's a feat of strength alone for them to make the LE teams transferable.  What do you think they are, miracle workers?  I suppose you want a bug-free usable and robust UI as well?  A side rack of ribs to go with it? 

 :why_so_serious:

My god, the Burrowing Beetles may yet arise from their dwarf-induced grave.

It does mean I could inflict another season of str 5 linedwarf on you all, but I don't think I will anyway.

Wow, they've figured out a way to export a team from sqlite? WOW.  :awesome_for_real:

It's CYANIDE. You know they're going to fuck that up royally. Like "hey you exported that team and you can't use it in the new edition because FROMAGE oh and it corrupted the file on the LE servers and we would fix it but we are LE TIRED" fucked up.

To be fair to cyanide, DE to LE also included the switch from LRB5 to LRB6 rules and rosters so they couldn't easily transfer teams without messiness.

Being able to transfer The Mutiny just made it about a billion times more likely I will pick this up and start playing again.  :why_so_serious:

/monocle pops out

It's like Cyanide WANTS me to grind IainC's various elf teams under my bright pink Norse boot again.

 :heartbreak:

I thought we were friends...

Crazy.

What they don't tell you is that there will be twice the amount of bugs, with their powers combined.

And the UI will still suck.

Daemon of Khorne roster is up. (http://forum.bloodbowl-game.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1665)

THE DAEMONS OF KHORNE

The Daemons of Khorne have infinite bloodlust and rage that makes them feared throughout the Blood Bowl leagues. Some of them, not satisfied with merely destroying all of civilization, started to get interested in violent games. When Bloodletters, Pit Fighters, Bloodthirsters and Heralds discovered Blood Bowl, the Daemons of Khorne made their entrance in the stadiums for the first time!

Today, they are known as the most violent, and the most feared, Blood Bowl players of all time.

- Pit Fighter, Quantity 0-16, 60k, MA 6, ST 3, AG 3, AV 8, Skills: Frenzy, Normal GP, Double AS
- Bloodletter Daemon, Quantity 0-4, 80k, MA 6, ST 3, AG 3, AV 7, Skills: Horns, Juggernaut, Regeneration, Normal GAS, Double P
- Khorne Herald, Quantity 0-2, 90k, MA 6, ST 3, AG 3, AV 8, Skills: Frenzy, Horns, Juggernaut, Normal GS, Double AP
- Bloodthirster, Quantity 0-1, 180k, MA 6, ST 5, AG 1, AV 9, Skills: Loner, Wild Animal, Claw, Frenzy, Horns, Juggernaut, Regeneration, Normal S, Double GAP
- Reroll : 70k
- Apoth: yes

Starplayers:
Morg and Grashnak

Hmm, lots of frenzy. No mutations though.

Demonic Norse.  I think someone called that earlier, too.  Sacrifice any possibility of having a passing game in exchange for more skull bashing from the get-go. 

For a bashing team they're pretty low on STR.  Those worrying that Khorne would be unbalanced should be relieved.  They are similar to Norse, but lack Norse's block and STR advantage, and have a lot of frenzy which could get a young team (or coach) into trouble.  I'm disappointed that they don't get mutations.  Frankly, I think they kind of need it; at least on doubles.

Half of the team has the opportunity to Blitz and not only become an ST4, but negate Wrestle, Stand Firm, Fend, and Block (sorta).  Granted, it's just one player per turn, but the team effectively has 5-6 ready-to-rock ST4 Blitzers.  I can see the pros and cons though.  Mutations would make them OP, IMO, and make them not really any different than straight up Chaos.

They're obviously a playable squad, I just think they lack something.  It feels like they should've given mutation access to the Bloodletters though.  That would've been fun.  Four AV7 mutants with horns, juggernaut and regen.  They'd be glass cannon blitzers.  Lots of TV, and a good chance they'd be knocked out of the game, but access to really neat skills.  It'd be a fun trade-off.

Having a STR4 player on a blitz is nice, but it doesn't make up for a lack of STR during your opponent's turn.  They're going to be pretty easy to tear into and dismantle when they're on a drive with the ball since they can't move fast and don't have many ways to defend.  On a Chaos team you have four STR 4 CWs, and with guard, they can help bolster your beastmen with STR 3.  I'd rather have a few STR 4 players than the six players with horns, especially since their MA is only 6 and they aren't going to exactly be streaking across the field with that one blitz per turn.  All that frenzy without block is like a turnover machine, too, if the coach isn't careful.

7 players with guard access on non-doubles and frenzy on the fodder.  Mmmmm.

Well, I guess if I make a Khorne team I'll finally learn how2frenzy.   :ye_gods:

 Starting lineup

6x Fighter : 360
3x Daemon : 240
2x Herald : 180
3x Reroll : 210

Total : 990

Purchases : Apothecary, Daemon, either a fighter or Bloodthirster

Seems like a weak starting lineup, but by about ten games in you should have enough block and guard to feel like a STR 3.5 team, you'll do well against dodgier sides, but get eaten by other chaos teams, lizards, or anything else with substantial STR 4.

Against STR3, I don't think you'll miss STR4. An initial horns blitz with frenzy and juggernaught will help set up followup 2 die blocks.

Fighters having pass access is interesting I guess, can't see anyone sane building a thrower, but 20k for leader is a help in an expensive team. You could justify starting with just 2 rerolls on that basis, but without any block I wouldn't. First fighter to level gets leader, second gets kick, after that you pick a mix of block/wrestle/fend/tackle. Dodge on doubles.

Daemons are probably the best opportunity for a ball carrier. Block, Dodge, Sure Hands on one of them - Guard, Block, Dodge, MB on the rest.

Heralds will be your prefered blitzers, so since they have juggernaught you can take Guard and MB before block.

I don't think I'd buy a bloodthirster, you'd want to be blitzing (for juggernaught) a lot, but 6 of your other players have STR4+jugg when they blitz, and they don't have loner or wild animal.

Yeah, the Bloodthirster looks like an overpriced Minotaur on a team that can't afford it, blitz-wise.  To make a Mino really worth their TV you have to commit to blitzing with them on around half your turns or the wild animal makes them just sit out in the middle of nowhere, wasting all of that TV you gave up to have them in the game.  That's one of the main reasons I don't have one even on a Chaos team, and I do just fine.

All that frenzy is going to be rough on players who don't do positioning well. Seems like a trap team to me.

I wouldn't normally do this, but I think I may consider taking four re-rolls initially. With so much Frenzy and no bread&butter skills to speak of, initial games are going to be rough.

May even be worth it, just to take Leader and then drop an rr down.

 * Edit: now that I think about it, starting with a Bloodthirster is awfully tempting. Once he picks up Might Blow, the amount of firepower on that guys is amazing.

Btw, this is being released on Thursday.

Been spending quite a bit this month and aren't that interested in Chaos Dwarves or Khorne...

To sit out or not...

For $10... I will get it, even if I think XCOM will take over my spare time.

I do want to run those Underworld fellas, after all.

dibs on chaos dwarfs in the league  :grin:

For Steam users, you can pre-purchase now at the $10 rate, provided that you have one of the player key codes from ANY of the previous editions of BB.

- If you already have a copy of BB in your Steam library, you should be all set.  Go to the store page in Steam and the Add to Cart price should be $10.

- If you have a boxed copy or the above line isn't working, you need to get your player key from the box manual or the confirmation email you got if your downloaded the game from a different online store.  With key in hand, add the key to your library as if you were activating any other game via Steam.

- More info on the store page:  http://store.steampowered.com/app/216890

An ~893 MB patch went out for LE (presumably assets for the new teams) and the download is just crawling. Anyone with a game scheduled soon should get on that now.

And what would a nearly 1GB patch be without patch notes? 


 :why_so_serious:

If you buy Chaos, you don't need to patch up. Just do your Steam install, log into that one. You have access to EVERYTHING from your account, all combined. That means that, yes, as far as I can tell, the playoffs etc, etc can be played with the Chaos Edition client.

Eh?  It's still showing as a pre-order for me, I can't install, as far as I can see.  Or even pre-load it yet, for that matter.

I've already made my teams. I'm smooth.

Time zone hax!

Not a single UI improvement, eh?

Really? Fucking Frenchies.

So I just bought this during the Steam sale and was wondering which of the new teams would be best to play for someone who: a) hasn't played in awhile and b) was horrible when he did.  I'm leaning towards chaos dwarfs right now.  Any suggestions?

Definitely Chaos Dwarves.  They're a strong side.  The other two teams are pretty odd, and a challenge even for the most experienced.

So after playing a bit of the Chaos Dwarfs in single and multi player, I can't think of a single reason to have the Minotaur on the team.  I think it would be much better to have a full roster of Bull Centaurs, blockers and some spare hobgoblins.  My starting line up is 2 BC, 5 CDB and 4 HG, with 3 rerolls. First thing I'll add is an apoc.  I like how they play.  Pretty bashy but with enough MV to move the ball.  Even the hobgoblins aren't too bad with decent MV, ST and AG, though they are a bit fragile with only 7 AV.  Any advice from those that have played them more?  Thanks.

I agree that the mino is suboptimal, particularly when your line blockers are the best in the game, but there are at least 2 reasons you could argue for a mino.

First a high STR big guy that sits on the line doing nothing is a pain to work around before he even moves.

Second he is one skill up from MB plus claw, which is always overpowered.


For me these reasons are not enough to pick a mino. But they are enough to make it a reasonable preference. I just don't like giving away TV and don't like rolling that many dice.

I have a minotaur on my CD team I'm playing with in single player and I tend to use him when I'm on defense and keep him close to the line.  For offense, I replace him with a hobgoblin for more ball movement options.  Seems to work ok so far.  I just don't like the unreliability of big guys.  I liked the krox on the lizardman team because of the prehensile tail, which made him a nice roadblock for dodgy teams.  The minotaur just has high strength with an unimpressive 8 AV.  I think early on, getting an extra blocker and more re-rolls is the way to go.

I don't like minos on Chaos teams, and I think it's pretty clear that Chaos can win without them, but on a Chaos Dwarf team I tend to think that minos are more useful.  For a bashy team Chaos Dwarves are starved for high strength players and until you get a lot of guard on your blockers that can be quite an impedement.  Later in a team's development though they definitely become less useful.  I would probably keep a mino early, and dump him if he fails to get block by the time my linemen had a decent amount of guard.