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Title: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Xanthippe on March 27, 2012, 09:42:21 AM Surprised there is no thread about this.
http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/17266/eve-onlines-player-run-council-chairman-resigns-bullied-suicidal-player (http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/17266/eve-onlines-player-run-council-chairman-resigns-bullied-suicidal-player) Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Thrawn on March 27, 2012, 09:47:11 AM Surprised there is no thread about this. http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/17266/eve-onlines-player-run-council-chairman-resigns-bullied-suicidal-player (http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/17266/eve-onlines-player-run-council-chairman-resigns-bullied-suicidal-player) I think most of the people that would care were following it already. Did he actually resign?? He mentioned it in an early tweet, but I've never seen anything else on it since his apology. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Zetor on March 27, 2012, 11:01:53 AM Apparently it's cool to be a griefer nowadays? Meh, all this stuff just reinforces that Eve Is Not For Me.
On a more srsbsns note, Mittani's avatar is a spitting image of Viktor Orbán, Hungary's current PM... who happens to be a complete f'head. I'm sure it's a coincidence :why_so_serious: Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Xanthippe on March 27, 2012, 11:24:33 AM The article is wrong, I guess.
He tweeted yesterday "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable." But he admitted he has only done steps 1 and 3 and might do 2. Which probably means he's not going to. Nothing about any of this makes Eve look remotely decent. And stepping over to the Eve Boards to read what the community has to say about it makes me feel like taking a shower and gargling. Either the Eve community is a lot worse than most, or my tolerance level for miscreants is a great deal lower than it used to be. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Kitsune on March 27, 2012, 12:06:10 PM Nobody griefed a suicidal player. Some guy got his mining ship shot and his cargo taken, he then proceeded to contact the person who blew up his ship and threatened suicide if they didn't give him his cargo back. This is a common practice and is not a sign of a depressed player in need of help, it's a ploy to guilt the guy who blew you up into giving you your stuff back. That's why the conversation log was held up for ridicule; everybody knew it was a lie.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Zetor on March 27, 2012, 12:14:08 PM Even if the suicide thing was a fake, a game where griefing people is considered 'cool' isn't for me. Yeah I know, I'm a giant pansy / carebear.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Kitsune on March 27, 2012, 12:15:53 PM Shooting someone in a game where you're supposed to shoot people isn't griefing. It's playing the game. If someone decided that their feelings would be hurt in TF2 if they got backstabbed by a spy, that doesn't make the spy a griefer when they run up and backstab.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Zetor on March 27, 2012, 12:36:23 PM Yea, I wasn't referring to this thing in a vacuum, but kicking over space sandcastles / making hapless noobs suffer / ninjaing nodes / suicide ganking / etc isn't my idea of fun.
I don't want to get into a trammel/felucca v891732 slapfight here, so I'll just leave it at that. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Kitsune on March 27, 2012, 12:46:30 PM Oh I agree, I've never been a "the noob tears are delicious!" sort of person. But it's a PvP game, so neither am I losing sleep over someone getting their mining ships blown up. There are precautions to take to not get your ships blown up, and anyone who'd been playing long enough to be ice mining really had no excuse for not having taken those precautions.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Xanthippe on March 27, 2012, 12:53:41 PM The EVE community, as evidence by the forum, is really shitty. Really really really really really really shitty.
Which is fine with me, I don't play Eve, but the way this story comes out - especially in light of how popular anti-bullying messages have become - it makes the Eve community look really bad. Especially if people then go to the forums to read the anti-social ravings of the misfits that inhabit that world. Unbalanced people shouldn't play games, but neither should people point and laugh at the depressed suicidal dude. Nobody knows whether he means it or not, except him. He could be griefing the griefers; nobody knows. (And it would totally serve them right if he is). But this? Publicly identifying and calling for all out attack on the guy at panel discussion at a conference? Beyond the pale. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Slayerik on March 27, 2012, 12:56:58 PM Even if the suicide thing was a fake, a game where griefing people is considered 'cool' isn't for me. Yeah I know, I'm a giant pansy / carebear. Man up or GTFO of this subforum ;) Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Thrawn on March 27, 2012, 01:27:49 PM I still think the whole thing boils down to "Drunk guy says something stupid, news at 11."
He apologized, don't see why this is even news anymore. I would bet if CSM elections were held again today he'd still win chair. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Amarr HM on March 27, 2012, 01:28:23 PM Unbalanced people shouldn't play games, but neither should people point and laugh at the depressed suicidal dude. Nobody knows whether he means it or not, except him. He could be griefing the griefers; nobody knows. (And it would totally serve them right if he is). There was a prolific member of Mittani's Eve community who actually killed himself in real-life and of course there were the few assholes bragging about how they told him to do it beforehand. I found the whole thing a bit sordid, afaik it was discovered that he was an army vet who was suffering from post traumatic stress. That said Mittani always struck me as someone who was fairly upstanding and I'm sure his apologies were genuine. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Gets on March 27, 2012, 04:56:15 PM He caught himself saying "niggerrich" on tanks TS a little while ago and commented how hanging around with internet space sociopaths is starting to affect him.
Meanwhile no one cares about a BBC reporter calling everyone attending fanfest basement dwelling virgins. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00q85rw) (skip to the 16th minute mark). Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Phildo on March 27, 2012, 08:58:26 PM There was a prolific member of Mittani's Eve community who actually killed himself in real-life and of course there were the few assholes bragging about how they told him to do it beforehand. I found the whole thing a bit sordid, afaik it was discovered that he was an army vet who was suffering from post traumatic stress. That said Mittani always struck me as someone who was fairly upstanding and I'm sure his apologies were genuine. RIP, RoyOfCA. He sold me a ton of blueprints on the cheap once. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Yoru on March 28, 2012, 12:08:19 AM Meanwhile no one cares about a BBC reporter calling everyone attending fanfest basement dwelling virgins. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00q85rw) (skip to the 16th minute mark). The astonished "wtf are you serious?!" from the reporter when Hilmar states that he wants to cleanse the world of evil by having all the evil people play EVE and be evil in EVE instead of real life? Priceless. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tgr on March 28, 2012, 02:56:20 AM The EVE community, as evidence by the forum, is really shitty. Really really really really really really shitty. Which forum? If you're looking at the eve-o forums, then 95% (or more) of that is trolling or e-peen wankery. It's a cesspit of bad posting.Which is fine with me, I don't play Eve, but the way this story comes out - especially in light of how popular anti-bullying messages have become - it makes the Eve community look really bad. Especially if people then go to the forums to read the anti-social ravings of the misfits that inhabit that world. I'm not going to try to defend mittens (he said it, drunken stupor or not, and he'll have to own up to it), but to be honest I sometimes get the impression that some people are just sitting around and waiting for someone to say something which can be twisted into being bad, and then jump on it and play it up like it's the worst thing in the world right then and there. And if you read of the articles, all of them refer to an eve online player named "kestrel" who has run around and contacted them all. It basically strikes me as having all the hallmarks of a witch hunt where someone finally got something to use, and everyone's going "oh hey something sensational I can report on! woo!"But this? Publicly identifying and calling for all out attack on the guy at panel discussion at a conference? Beyond the pale. Was what mittens said bad? Yes. Over the line? I'd have to say yes there as well. Would anyone even have noticed or cared if this "kestrel" guy hadn't run around and yelled murder? Probably not. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Gets on March 28, 2012, 04:08:17 AM Dragon Ball Zero Twilight slash-fiction has more literary value than the eve-o forum on any given day because anyone with a modicum of sense does not take it seriously. Hell, even the person who pubs are demanding we all be apologetic to isn't taking it seriously.
Quote The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Xanthippe on March 28, 2012, 09:36:06 AM The EVE community, as evidence by the forum, is really shitty. Really really really really really really shitty. Which forum? If you're looking at the eve-o forums, then 95% (or more) of that is trolling or e-peen wankery. It's a cesspit of bad posting.The Eve Online forums, especially the threads talking about this. Not saying all Eve players are shitty people, but that forum over there sure doesn't make the Eve community look good. Quote I'm not going to try to defend mittens (he said it, drunken stupor or not, and he'll have to own up to it), but to be honest I sometimes get the impression that some people are just sitting around and waiting for someone to say something which can be twisted into being bad, and then jump on it and play it up like it's the worst thing in the world right then and there. Well, sure there are plenty of people like that, and I'm not defending people who are out for scalps from anyone not sufficiently politically (or otherwise) correct. I'm just astonished that The Mittani would make those statements in light of the fact that an Eve player did in fact kill himself (I didn't know that). If he is really sorry, if he really believes that he's being/been changed by the online persona, what he ought to do is step down as he promised. If he doesn't, then he's full of shit. Hell, if he really thinks his only problem was getting drunk and that whatever he said has reasons to explain it, he ought to get away from online games entirely for a while and go back and live in the real world. Maybe he'll re-civilize. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Thrawn on March 28, 2012, 09:47:34 AM Wasn't aware that someone making a twitter post about something is a "promise".
Supposedly the CSM is discussing what they want to do about it. I hope he stays and stays as chair. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Xanthippe on March 28, 2012, 09:56:02 AM Wasn't aware that someone making a twitter post about something is a "promise". Supposedly the CSM is discussing what they want to do about it. I hope he stays and stays as chair. "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable." If that's not a signal of his intentions (or a promise) then what is it? Someone attempting to look like a decent guy but just another asshat. If he's now scrambling around trying to figure out how he can stay on as CSM, then I don't know what to make of his apology. It changes meaning, just as if he doesn't resign after that tweet, his tweet is bullshit. I remember when RoyofCA killed himself - it was in my local paper (he did it in my town), and I thought it was one of the most responsible suicides I've ever heard of. Doesn't sound like he did it because of Eve though. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tgr on March 28, 2012, 10:15:16 AM I'm just astonished that The Mittani would make those statements in light of the fact that an Eve player did in fact kill himself (I didn't know that). 1) He was drunk. It's not an excuse, but it's a factor.2) This was seemingly spread around to various news outlets by one guy. Once that was sensationalized, literally everyone who hates him/goons piled on. 3) You've no idea how many people I've seen lately who've said "mittens should be put down/kill himself" in f.ex jita local. I love the irony in that. 4) If the guy you're talking about is RoyOfCA, then you should probably know that he was an old afghanistan vet with severe mental issues completely unrelated to EVE, and the suicide was completely unrelated to EVE. IIRC, he was suffering from PTSD. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Xanthippe on March 28, 2012, 11:16:11 AM I'm just astonished that The Mittani would make those statements in light of the fact that an Eve player did in fact kill himself (I didn't know that). 1) He was drunk. It's not an excuse, but it's a factor.Or was he...? (Just piling on after reading more horrible Eve Online forum posts today). If he really was drunk and forgot what he said, not only should he step down but also maybe consider giving up drinking. Quote 3) You've no idea how many people I've seen lately who've said "mittens should be put down/kill himself" in f.ex jita local. I love the irony in that. :awesome_for_real:Quote 4) If the guy you're talking about is RoyOfCA, then you should probably know that he was an old afghanistan vet with severe mental issues completely unrelated to EVE, and the suicide was completely unrelated to EVE. IIRC, he was suffering from PTSD. I assumed it was - until reading this thread I had no idea that some EVE player killed himself - if that's who whoever above was referencing, then yeah, I know, it apparently wasn't related to playing Eve. So when someone does kill himself after being taunted to by some taunting idjit on a game forum, would it matter to the taunting idjits? Could be a reason why gamers have a reputation for being mouth breathing basement dwelling virgins. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: eldaec on March 28, 2012, 11:27:51 AM When I saw this thread I thought you meant he'd resigned as god emperor of an important internet space empire, not a pr committee with free Icelandic holiday.
Thread now feels something of an anti-climax. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Gets on March 28, 2012, 11:49:00 AM Mittani in my opinion is to blame for all the following:
1) Getting drunk at an internet videogame drinking festival. 2) Having the alliance panel moved to a different time due to delays, while drunk. 3) Being the leader of an alliance where "kill yourself" is said as often as "stop posting and kill yourself" 4) Space AIDS Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tgr on March 28, 2012, 12:16:59 PM Or was he...? (Just piling on after reading more horrible Eve Online forum posts today). Then I guess almost everyone who went to fanfest should "give up drinking". vOvIf he really was drunk and forgot what he said, not only should he step down but also maybe consider giving up drinking. And I'd say he was drunk, yes. Just look at the video and judge for yourself. I dunno if he was blacking out-style drunk at that point, but he's definitely "heavily inebriated". As was the rest of the new CSM, the audience, and likely nigh-on everyone in there from CCP. I assumed it was - until reading this thread I had no idea that some EVE player killed himself - if that's who whoever above was referencing, then yeah, I know, it apparently wasn't related to playing Eve. So when someone does kill himself after being wardecced and suicide ganked for a few weeks straight because one guy transformed one drunken comment from a drunken comment into A Thing, should it matter to that guy? Should it matter to the ones taking the tip and running with it? Should it matter to the guys who suicide ganking and wardec him for a few weeks straight?So when someone does kill himself after being taunted to by some taunting idjit on a game forum, would it matter to the taunting idjits? Could be a reason why gamers have a reputation for being mouth breathing basement dwelling virgins. I'm going to just go so far as to say that this thought strikes me every time I watch some of the voting propaganda that spews forth from the US. It's the same level of idiotic sensationalism. "SHOW US YOUR BIRTH RECORD!!!!!!!!!" :oh_i_see:Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Gets on March 28, 2012, 12:29:50 PM I am a top floor dwelling virgin, thank you very much.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Simond on March 28, 2012, 12:45:48 PM Yea, I wasn't referring to this thing in a vacuum, but kicking over space sandcastles / making hapless noobs suffer / ninjaing nodes / suicide ganking / etc isn't my idea of fun. So you're posting in an EVE subforum, because...?I don't want to get into a trammel/felucca v891732 slapfight here, so I'll just leave it at that. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Zetor on March 28, 2012, 01:05:30 PM Yea, I wasn't referring to this thing in a vacuum, but kicking over space sandcastles / making hapless noobs suffer / ninjaing nodes / suicide ganking / etc isn't my idea of fun. So you're posting in an EVE subforum, because...?I don't want to get into a trammel/felucca v891732 slapfight here, so I'll just leave it at that. :awesome_for_real: Apparently it's cool to be a griefer nowadays? Meh, all this stuff just reinforces that Eve Is Not For Me. morning-after edit Also: physician, heal thyself.On a more srsbsns note, Mittani's avatar is a spitting image of Viktor Orbán, Hungary's current PM... who happens to be a complete f'head. I'm sure it's a coincidence :why_so_serious: Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Thrawn on March 28, 2012, 02:51:08 PM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88008 (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88008)
TLDR : He's going to decline the chair but remain on CSM 7 saying that being CEO of Goons and chair of the CSM just don't mix. Seems to have the support of at least a few other CSM members except for the 7th alternate (14th place person) who apparently is a raging idiot. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Gets on March 28, 2012, 03:45:15 PM 30 day ban to the guy who ran the GIA for 6 months without even being subscribed to the game. Heh.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Thrawn on March 28, 2012, 04:33:31 PM Quote As some of you might have heard, one of the Alliance leaders speaking at the Alliance Panel during EVE Fanfest 2012 breached our EULA/TOS with some ill-advised remarks about a fellow EVE player. It goes without saying that CCP deeply regrets this incident and will work towards reducing any possibility of this happening again in the future. CCP requested that all panel PowerPoint presentations and discussion topics be handed in beforehand for approval. Regrettably, the offending comments were made during an unscripted Q&A session after the main presentations. Following a thorough internal review CCP has decided to respond to this clear violation of our Terms of Service and wholly inappropriate use of the Alliance Panel. According to our existing policies, we have issued a 30 day ban from EVE Online to the panel speaker. The policy of CCP is not to publicly discuss warnings and bans on an individual basis. This situation is entirely unique because the panel was displayed via CCP’s Fanfest video stream component, a platform analogous to our forums. As a result we have published this statement due to the special circumstances involved. However, our policy remains that we will not publicly discuss warnings and bans. The panelist has subsequently posted a public apology as well as a private apology to the victim of his attack. He has also resigned from his position as Chairman of CSM 6 and has forfeited his right to serve on CSM 7. As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review. The Council of Stellar Management is a democratically elected council that represents the players of EVE Online. Although council members may represent the players in any manner they choose, being a council member does not permit actions or playstyles that violate our policies. GM Salmon VP of Customer Relationship Management :popcorn: Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Gets on March 28, 2012, 04:41:12 PM Meanwhile semen on photographs of people still ok.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Comstar on March 28, 2012, 04:48:05 PM (http://i.imgur.com/SbKxBl.jpg)
State of the Goonion incoming. Something is going to burn in hell. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Xanthippe on March 28, 2012, 05:10:35 PM Meanwhile semen on photographs of people still ok. Puzzling over this one. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Phildo on March 28, 2012, 05:46:06 PM Mintchiplol?
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Phildo on March 28, 2012, 11:40:40 PM Mittani's speech to Goonswarm a few hours ago. (http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march)
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Gets on March 29, 2012, 02:27:49 AM Quote [23:56:08] DurrHurrDurr > Hello. [23:56:12] DurrHurrDurr > Give me one momebnt. [23:56:14] DurrHurrDurr > *moment. [23:57:39] DurrHurrDurr > Did you get that? [23:58:21] DurrHurrDurr > Check your alliance notifications. [23:59:41] The Wis > Ok.. [00:00:05] DurrHurrDurr > TEST has declared war against your alliance. [00:00:15] The Wis > ok. why? [00:00:46] DurrHurrDurr > Hostilities will end when you undock a fully-fit battleship and self-destruct it on a station undock with TEST witnesses. [00:01:43] DurrHurrDurr > You can check TEST's alliance description; I am a diplomat and authorized to make this offer. [00:01:48] The Wis > And can I ask why this wardec [00:02:11] DurrHurrDurr > You may not. [00:03:04] DurrHurrDurr > Additionally [00:03:15] DurrHurrDurr > The ship you self-destruct must be named "Bottle of Xanax" [00:03:48] DurrHurrDurr > Have a good day. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tgr on March 29, 2012, 04:20:11 AM That probably wouldn't have happened if Kestrel hadn't spammed literally every news outlet he could spam. :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Stabs on March 31, 2012, 02:19:04 AM It's a bit harsh that this guy is getting ganked and wardecced out of a misplaced sense of protectiveness towards Mittens. As far as I know his involvement has been:
- zoning out while mining in Eve after a divorce - getting suicide ganked - being invited to join a "protection" scheme and accepting - getting suicide ganked again. A verbal Eve contract isn't worth the pixels it's written on. - writing an emotional message - zoning out mining for 6 months - getting convoed by some stranger who wanted to know whether he was dead. - having tons of suicide gankers turn up to kill him It would be business as usual in Eve were it not for the message. The message really did look to me like it was from someone very depressed. Remember those times when we were kids and we were playfighting and some kid we were hitting started screaming "no no, you're really hurting please stop"? There's a point when the griefing should stop. Anyway, it's now escalated, some dickhead published Mittani's IRL address on the web and someone else threatened to go round and rape his wife. Mark my words, someone will be in jail by the time this is over. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Gets on March 31, 2012, 02:48:17 AM The Mittani is George Zimmerman and Eve Online is primary school is what you're saying.
Drendan Brain edited out mittens' real name, "cyberbullying" and other incorrect statements in his Massively article today. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Stabs on March 31, 2012, 02:49:26 AM The Mittani is George Zimmerman and Eve Online is primary school is what you're saying. Um, no. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: UnSub on April 01, 2012, 11:19:40 PM There's a point when the griefing should stop. If we were talking about things being done with civility, then griefing wouldn't even start. However, this is online gaming, Mittani has a lot of enemies and a reputation that a lot of people want to deflate. So the griefing stops when the griefers get tired of it. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Stabs on April 02, 2012, 08:56:00 AM It's not entirely online, there's been policemen knocking on the door of the Mittani residence much to the annoyance of his wife.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: UnSub on April 02, 2012, 09:14:19 AM Have the police been sent there by people griefing Mittani? He could also be receiving 3am pizzas soon.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Thrawn on April 02, 2012, 09:23:53 AM Have the police been sent there by people griefing Mittani? He could also be receiving 3am pizzas soon. The rumor is that the police showed up as a "suicide watch" from a call. But no idea how near or far from the truth this is. Am pretty sure the police showing up part is the truth from what I've read. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tgr on April 02, 2012, 09:27:02 AM The police visit is, according to mittens, based in facts.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Sir T on April 04, 2012, 11:29:28 AM Always had a lot of respect for Mittens. The guy was intellegent and articulate. I'm sure he despised me, but I always liked him. If people are sending the police round to his door that's way beyond the pale. And I'm sure its the truth, he wouldnt lie about crap that involves his wife for internet points.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Xanthippe on April 04, 2012, 12:50:02 PM I am lost.
Why are the police visiting him? Are people now griefing him by sending the police out to check on him as a possible suicide? Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Kitsune on April 04, 2012, 02:28:52 PM Correct.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: eldaec on April 09, 2012, 05:04:09 PM This is far from the craziest real life shit done in service of an internet spaceship victory.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Sparky on April 17, 2012, 08:12:07 AM This is far from the craziest real life shit done in service of an internet spaceship victory. Bro no one needs to hear about your sex lifeTitle: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Gets on April 17, 2012, 09:52:17 AM Sure, we don't need to hear it, but it's a good way to pass the time.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: schild on April 17, 2012, 10:38:02 AM I just listened to the Mittani speech.
Aren't these people aware CCP is like, done? I have not and will not ever understand this space bullshit. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Thrawn on April 17, 2012, 11:08:04 AM I have not and will not ever understand this space bullshit. Your undying hatred for Eve is always entertaining though. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Phildo on April 18, 2012, 03:28:31 PM Mittani made a thread about cleaning up posting standards on goonfleet.com and this guy got pretty angry about it. (http://soundcloud.com/user3885713/20-more-minutes-of-sperging)
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: schild on April 18, 2012, 03:47:54 PM So serious about space shit.
That community is the definition of "needing to apply that groupthink to something useful." Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: MahrinSkel on April 18, 2012, 08:39:27 PM Mittani made a thread about cleaning up posting standards on goonfleet.com and this guy got pretty angry about it. (http://soundcloud.com/user3885713/20-more-minutes-of-sperging) Having managed to listen through 25 minutes worth of it, I don't think he was so much pissed about "posting standards" as about showing up for interminable POS-shooting ops and having the Goon FC's being dicks towards him and his.--Dave Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Gets on April 20, 2012, 11:38:00 AM So serious about space shit. That community is the definition of "needing to apply that groupthink to something useful." I tried coming up with one thing that Broski can apply themselves to besides Eve and I feel stumped like a birth control salesman at a Star Trek convention. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: eldaec on April 20, 2012, 11:58:26 AM Mittani made a thread about cleaning up posting standards on goonfleet.com and this guy got pretty angry about it. (http://soundcloud.com/user3885713/20-more-minutes-of-sperging) Having managed to listen through 25 minutes worth of it, I don't think he was so much pissed about "posting standards" as about showing up for interminable POS-shooting ops and having the Goon FC's being dicks towards him and his.--Dave The FCs aren't the problem. The noise is coming from the line membership and jabberati. There is a pretty fine line between 'reset TEST' and 'kick BTLS'. Without any external threat CFC is getting closer to a civil war, which will inevitably be about posting and whose gang is the coolest. It's probably some way off yet, and the Animes to the east might well become an actual threat at some point, which would delay things further. But in eve, on a long enough time line, only two things are inevitable, drama, and losing your space. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Stabs on April 21, 2012, 01:52:56 PM So serious about space shit. That community is the definition of "needing to apply that groupthink to something useful." No it isn't. I don't want anyone who plays Eve seriously to do anything in real life ever nor should any other sane human being. It's bad enough they do it in Eve. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Comstar on April 27, 2012, 03:30:22 PM This is on the login screen every sees when they login to the game:
(http://i.imgur.com/8T2aK.jpg) Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Ginaz on April 27, 2012, 09:57:36 PM This is on the login screen every sees when they login to the game: (http://i.imgur.com/8T2aK.jpg) Might have something to do with this: http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/eve-online/1223912p1.html Seems like the Goons willi try to make Jita not so safe anymore. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: ajax34i on April 28, 2012, 07:49:53 AM Hey, that EVE-related promotion displayed twice!!!
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Sir T on April 28, 2012, 08:12:24 AM The effect of this will be UTTERLY SHATTERING TO THE ENTIRE ECONOMY OF EVE!!!... as people head to Rens, Amarr or Oruse to do their shopping instead.
:oh_i_see: I can honestly count on the fingers of one hand the amount of times I've been to Jita. Anyone with any sense sold their stuff in the systems surounding it or went to one of the other market hubs. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tgr on April 28, 2012, 08:30:46 AM The effect of this will be UTTERLY SHATTERING TO THE ENTIRE ECONOMY OF EVE!!!... as people head to Rens, Amarr or Oruse to do their shopping instead. Nope, they won't.I can honestly count on the fingers of one hand the amount of times I've been to Jita. Anyone with any sense sold their stuff in the systems surounding it or went to one of the other market hubs. You're underestimating just how lazy people are. "Will I have to jump around a bit to pick up the modules I need? :effort: I'll just go to jita."Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Sir T on April 28, 2012, 08:47:59 AM Uh, in a lot of cases those market hubs are closer in jumping terms than Jita. People go to Jita becasue everyone goes to Jita, and they might find things cheaper there. And for whatever reason Caldari space has a lot of Mission hubs. I went everywhere else becasue the slightly extra expense was worth the lack of aggrivation.
Dont get me wrong, you are ginna blow up a lot of ships... for a day or 2. But after that people will have simply moved to the other hubs and Jita will be a ghost town. At which people people like me will be zipping in and out buying shit in cloaking Blockade Runners in super lag free conditions :grin: Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Thrawn on April 28, 2012, 09:51:43 AM Dont get me wrong, you are ginna blow up a lot of ships... for a day or 2. But after that people will have simply moved to the other hubs and Jita will be a ghost town. :facepalm: I thought you had played Eve? If Goons sat in Jita for a month (they won't or course) they'd still be killing people with billions in hold who are chatting away in Jita local saying nothing of relevance has happened yet. Never underestimate how stupid and lazy your average person is. This has been all over the forums and in game and in local chat for easily a month beforehand and it's only Saturday morning US time. Jita has been down to almost 10% time dialation a few times (30 minutes + to warp in a freighter and get to station) and has been full many times preventing people from even getting into system. http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=143&scl_id=20 (http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=143&scl_id=20) (18 dead freighters) http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=143&scl_id=40 (http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=143&scl_id=40) (9 dead T3 ships) http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=143&scl_id=7 (http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=143&scl_id=7) (50+ industrials) http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=143&scl_id=2 (http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=143&scl_id=2) (Probably 100s of pods) Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Sir T on April 28, 2012, 10:38:52 AM Only 18 frieghters? Only 50 indistrials? :oh_i_see: I'd have seen those numbers flying through Jita inside half an hour the few times I was there.
Look, TGR said people go to Jita becasue its closer. In a lot of cases, its not. But people go there anyway becasue of inertia, and becasue commercial BOTS are set to go to Jita. People that go to Jita do so not becasue of laziness but becasue its never occured to them to go anywhere else. Everyone thats actually at the keyboard will have been talking to other people about where else to go buy stuff and will be diverting in increasing numbers elsewhere. It's also in goon culture to be totally Jita centric, and no-one ever talked about the other hubs for whatever reason. Fact is that this Jita thing is great PR but will not effect the eve economy in the grand scale. And I'm not bieng anti-goon by saying that. If I was playing now I'd be watching the numbers in the other hubs to see how the numbers are rising as thats the kind of thing that interests me. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Reg on April 28, 2012, 10:43:24 AM Yup, this is almost enough to get me to resubscribe for a month or two. Prices and market activity in the hub I normally sold in must be going through the roof.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Thrawn on April 28, 2012, 10:59:26 AM Yup, this is almost enough to get me to resubscribe for a month or two. Prices and market activity in the hub I normally sold in must be going through the roof. http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:trend (http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:trend) Noxcium is 1k each right now, Trit is over 6. Technetium is over 200k each. A Hulk is almost 320m and Hulkageddon starts next week. It's a great time to be a trader/producer if you have been paying attention. I'm not sure where people get the idea what Goons are trying to completely destroy the economy forever - Quote The goal is indiscriminate terror leading to profitable chaos on the markets. That goal was achieved without even firing a shot due to market speculation. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Sir T on April 28, 2012, 02:03:34 PM Actually, I just remembered why Jita became such a trade hub. Way back in the mists of time, there was 3 ice belts in Jita. Since ice belts never ran out and it was a 1.0 system, Macro Ice miners sat there 23/7 mining ice, so it was a great place to get Fuel. And with the ready avalibility of fuel people just started selling other stuff and grew from there.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tgr on April 28, 2012, 02:15:28 PM Look, TGR said people go to Jita becasue its closer. Nope, I did not. I said people go there because it's a one stop shop."Will I have to jump around a bit to pick up the modules I need?" means that they know they can get everything they need in one station. Actually, this is easier to see, not specifically in modules, but in moongoo. Amarr has most of the goo types, but there's f.ex 5000 units total of technetium there with a daily throughput of nil, and there's uh, I dunno, a few million units, with a daily throughput of between 500k and 1m+ in Jita. People go there because that's where the most buyers and sellers are, that's where the major volume is etc. Sure, there are other trade hubs, but they're less well-stocked, they're often more expensive than Jita (especially on items which aren't necessarily 100% mainstream) etc etc etc. And finally, it's more than 18 freighters and 50 industrials. A lot more. Test alone apparently had more than double that a few hours ago. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Comstar on April 28, 2012, 02:42:24 PM I'm sure there is enough stock in Jita to not cause a hugh price difference over one weekend. And only big Freighters and Hulk's are being targeted - players buying their stuff in an Industrial are untouched.
Still, it's got lots of Drama and Hilarity, and that's the only reason to play Eve Online really. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Sir T on April 28, 2012, 04:59:10 PM And finally, it's more than 18 freighters and 50 industrials. A lot more. Test alone apparently had more than double that a few hours ago. I. And only big Freighters and Hulk's are being targeted - players buying their stuff in an Industrial are untouched. :oh_i_see: Better get your stories straight. :grin: Quote from: Tgr People go there because that's where the most buyers and sellers are, that's where the major volume is etc. Sure, there are other trade hubs, but they're less well-stocked, they're often more expensive than Jita (especially on items which aren't necessarily 100% mainstream) etc etc etc. So what you are saying is "people go there out of sheer inertia" which is what I said. I also said people started going to Jita in the first place becasue of POS fuel, so Moogoo was covered there. Believe you me, I remember having zero problems getting stuff in Oruse and Rens. I notice you picked Amarr as your example, and the problem with Amarr, aside from its phyisical discance from the sources of your example techenium so it would be a pain in the ass to get it down that far south, is that its really atrophied since the fall of BOB and the Nerfing of Delve. And the fact that you have to admit that other market hubs even exist means that my basic point is still valid. What will happen is that people are going to just break their silly habit of flying to Jita for everything and head elsewhere to sell their shit. I'm sorry if that upsets you but there it is. Which might indirectly harm Goonswarm as they are would have to go farther away to buy crap. And I said you would kill a lot of ships for a couple of days, remember? Daaamn I'd love to be in Rens right now in a cov ops watching traffic and how its changing... Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tgr on April 28, 2012, 08:21:28 PM Better get your stories straight. :grin: I'm going to just go with "comstar is wrong". They may not be as targeted as freighters, jumpfreighters and hulks etc are, but there are tons of industrial ships and other ships going pop to f.ex thrashers. I'd be surprised if a ton of pimp ships aren't also going to get shot by thrasher guys as well.Quote from: Tgr People go there because that's where the most buyers and sellers are, that's where the major volume is etc. Sure, there are other trade hubs, but they're less well-stocked, they're often more expensive than Jita (especially on items which aren't necessarily 100% mainstream) etc etc etc. So what you are saying is "people go there out of sheer inertia" which is what I said. I notice you picked Amarr as your example, and the problem with Amarr, aside from its phyisical discance from the sources of your example techenium so it would be a pain in the ass to get it down that far south, is that its really atrophied since the fall of BOB and the Nerfing of Delve. Every type of resource has been moved all the way to Jita in much, much higher quantities than they have to Amarr, let alone Dodixie, Rens or Hek. Daaamn I'd love to be in Rens right now in a cov ops watching traffic and how its changing... I'll make it easy for you: it isn't. Rens is a small piece of shit minihub, it's not going to replace Jita just because of a few days worth of ganking. The odd individual might move there for a few days, but once the burn jita initiative is over, they'll move right back, simply because of the much higher sales velocity.Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Comstar on April 29, 2012, 09:24:13 PM Better get your stories straight. :grin: I was wrong- I was in the Cover and Tornado fleets, and hadn't heard the Thrasher fleet killing a ship every few minutes. Yesterday the fleets were on the same comms and I would hear the Kamaikaze Thrasher fleet commander (General Disturbed who sounds EXACTLY like Colonel Tigh from Battlestar Galactica) break into the discussion every few minutes and say BREAK BREAK BREAK ALL THRASHERS TARGET THE SHIP. HOLD HOLD, FIRE FIRE FIRE and another half dozen ship explosions would go off on the undock. Yesterday DBRB stole the Thrasher fleet and killed a Freighter with nothing but single shot destroyers. In unrelated news, TEST got Mark Meer (http://www.reddit.com/r/evedreddit/comments/syuaz/went_to_calgary_comic_expo_commander_shepard/t) to say I'm Commander Shepard, and TEST space alliance is his favourite alliance in the citadel (http://www.reddit.com/r/evedreddit/comments/syuaz/went_to_calgary_comic_expo_commander_shepard/). Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Kitsune on April 30, 2012, 01:52:28 AM I would be pissed off that none of you jackasses sent me a PM to let me know the Jita attack was coming up like I'd asked you to, but the sad fact is that it was a GW2 beta weekend, so wouldn't've been there anyways. :welp: Oh well, would've taken a new disposable alt and several days of training to be able to get in a ship that could actually contribute anyways, so my own fault for not having set things up a couple weeks ago before a concrete date was set.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: 5150 on April 30, 2012, 04:29:36 AM Actually, I just remembered why Jita became such a trade hub. Way back in the mists of time, there was 3 ice belts in Jita. Since ice belts never ran out and it was a 1.0 system, Macro Ice miners sat there 23/7 mining ice, so it was a great place to get Fuel. And with the ready avalibility of fuel people just started selling other stuff and grew from there. Not quite as it pre-dates ice being added to the game, but some of the original conditions have long been removed in an attempt to combat lag. Jita used to be 1 jump from the Kisogo, the Caldari State War Academy starting system, which the majority of Eve players picked due to the race descriptions making Caldari sound the best and War Academy sounding the best of the Caldari schools (since no one really knew what the hell the skills did back then and/or were thinking about twinking) Then add in the fact that Jita is only 1 jump from 2 other regions (Lonetrek and The Citadel) and it made a good location where the majority of players could easily check prices across 3 whole regions. I also have a feeling there used to be a level 4 Caldari Navy agent there but that, and the roid (and subsequent ice) belts were just the icing on the cake Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tgr on April 30, 2012, 04:36:22 AM (General Disturbed who sounds EXACTLY like Colonel Tigh from Battlestar Galactica) He does sound a lot like him, although GD manages to have a more monotone voice. It's pretty awesome to listen to, actually.Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Kitsune on April 30, 2012, 07:08:35 AM Jita became Jita because it was a quest hub. CCP moved the good agents out of it and the other trade systems in a desperate attempt to cut down on the traffic, but by then inertia had already taken hold.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tmp on May 01, 2012, 08:23:44 PM Actually, I just remembered why Jita became such a trade hub. Way back in the mists of time, there was 3 ice belts in Jita. Since ice belts never ran out and it was a 1.0 system, Macro Ice miners sat there 23/7 mining ice, so it was a great place to get Fuel. And with the ready avalibility of fuel people just started selling other stuff and grew from there. Jita became a hub after CCP changed layout of jump routes (removed the highways system) which would up to that point make entire population converge and trade in Yulai. Afterwards Jita happened to perform Yulai's function of 'most convenient shopping spot closest to anywhere that mattered' the best, so the markets moved over there.edit: a trip down memory lane (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=83770#post83770) from some guy old enough to have second hand knowledge of those things. And now i feel like a fossil. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: palmer_eldritch on May 02, 2012, 11:07:00 AM I always went to Jita because it was so easy. You could buy whatever you wanted. Travelling a jump or two is fine, but not if you are buying then different things and they are in ten different systems.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Sir T on May 11, 2012, 05:35:42 PM I've been away from the board for a bit. How did the Jita camp go?
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Comstar on May 12, 2012, 01:26:41 AM It made all the gaming site news.
Jita trading dropped by 30-50% percent over the weekend. About 3-4 Titan's worth of ships and goods destroyed. 4000+ destroyed ships. Pages of tears on eve-o forums. CCP tweaked their TiDi ruleset and it was quite effective. Much fun was had. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: tgr on May 12, 2012, 01:28:39 AM And the rens/jita/amarr/etc population hasn't changed much.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Sir T on May 12, 2012, 03:29:25 AM Ah, it only lasted a weekend. Fair enough :oh_i_see:
Glad you had a good time. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Kitsune on May 13, 2012, 01:23:25 AM Maintaining a protracted siege on Jita would be enormously expensive, given that anyone firing would be blown away by Concord. The need for constant replacement hulls would bankrupt anyone in not a very long time.
Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: eldaec on May 13, 2012, 02:09:26 AM Given relative cost of t1 hulls vs technetium income, goonswarm could probably buy enough ships to last weeks. Burn Jita only cost a couple of thousand hulls.
Where they'd struggle is keeping pilots interested unless the huge bounties were maintained. Goons, and all eve players, are easily distracted. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Comstar on May 13, 2012, 04:25:02 AM The ship hulls were not a problem- I believe there is still two thirds of the stockpile left. Ship hulls were not an issue.
It was only planned to go for a weekend- you need a critical mass of players willing to do it, and burnout was inevitable, but what really stopped it was too many pilots getting to -10 security status. There were some big and ongoing fights between "defenders" of Jita and the attackers. Nothing on an 0,0 scale of warfare, but enough that needing a cover defence fleet and a thrasher fleet and a tornado fleet meant everyone eventually got tried of it doing it round the clock for 3 days. And it won't be the last time it happens either. Title: Re: "The Mittani" resigns, apologizes for being a supreme dick Post by: Thrawn on May 13, 2012, 12:41:09 PM A huge issue was just the loss of sec status near the end. It gets hard to suicide gank when you have a 50/50 chance of being popped by faction police on the undock before you finish loading enough to do anything.
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