Title: A sordid tale of IGE, thottbot, ogaming, and conquest Post by: Advocate on February 09, 2005, 08:59:07 AM This is going to be a long post, so prepare to be bored. Also it will be
borderline obsessive, simply because I want to make sure everything is cleanly and properly noted. Conjecture: IGE owns OGaming which owns Thottbot.com I originally picked up this idea from http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=21&mid=1107932104887749460&num=8 Some of my evidence will be memory based, but will eventually be found truthful by archive.org. It is too bad we cannot go back further in time. Also note that some will use historical WHOIS information (provided by whois.sc). Lets start with IGE and OGaming. If you check the WHOIS information (https://registrar.godaddy.com/whois.asp?se=%2B&ci=566&domain=OGAMING%2Ecom) a few things to note: 1. Address. 152 W. 57 Steet, Carnegie Hall Tower (nice digs) 2. Administrative Contact: Broyer, Jean-Marc 3. DNS: ns1.ogaming.com ns8.enthropia.com Now lets relate the three. 1. http://www.ige.com/corporate.aspx?id=offices&lang=en. Same address - perhaps it is just coincidence and they are somehow both in Carnegie Hall Tower 2. Who is this Jean-Marc? Searching on google for 'Jean-Marc Broyer' (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jean-marc+broyer&btnG=Google+Search&meta=) we are lead to some page to IGE! Clicking on it gives us no luck. But using google cache (http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:5_OuJMcz2PQJ:www.ige.com/shop/corporate.aspx%3Fid%3Dteam+jean-marc+broyer&hl=en) We learn that: Jean-Marc Broyer - General Manager, Content Network - "Jean-Marc Broyer joined IGE in September, 2004". Interesting indeed! 3. This is for reference. ns1.ogaming.com resolves to 69.44.59.105. According to geobytes.com, that is located in Glen Mills, Pennslyvania. ns8.enthropia.com resolves to 66.199.183.107. Geobytes.com has no clue where this is. Doing an ARIN WHOIS (http://www.arin.net/whois/) it tells me that the IP block is owned by Priority Colo. PriorityColo.com says it is located in Canada, and doing a traceroute puts me through xxxx.TNK-Toronto.teleglobe.net on the last hop before I enter PriorityColo. So Canada it is. So now we do a bit more digging. And we stumble across this. Interesting to note - http://www.ogaming.com/data/2236~Contact.php To quote: "Our properties include OGaming.com, L2Orphus.com, Thottbot.com, Guild-Hall.net, Warcraftcentral.com, more than 30 targeted community sites as well as a vast array of online forums." Sounds pretty big. L2orphus.com's forums have almost 950,000 forum posts at the time of this writing (http://www.l2orphus.com/forum/index.php), thottbot.com is a huge WoW website, guild-hall.net seems to be listed as an Elite Fansite at the official website (http://www.guildwars.com/community/default.html). Warcraftcentral.com seems a slightly above-average site. The whois history of this site is a staggering 107 records. Between Jan 9 and Jan 20 2005 the whois information changed from proxy information to real information. At this time DNS was ns7.enthropia.com and ns8.enthropia.com. The last change before was between 2004-09-25 and 2004-09-28. On the 25th it was listed as being owned by Enthropia Inc. Before that it was registered to an @ogaming.com email (Bogo@ogaming.com. He will be mentioned later). It is also notable that with the proxy WHOIS had a name listed: rpgholdings So lets dig into the other sites first: L2orphus.com -It has IGE ads on its site. -DNS Info (https://registrar.godaddy.com/whois.asp?isc=&se=%2B&from_app=&mscssid=&pl_id=1&prog_id=GoDaddy&domain=L2ORPHUS%2Ecom): Same as ogaming.com except that it uses ns1.changeip.com and ns2.changeip.com. The site resolves to IP 69.90.10.14. Skipping over direct links here, geobytes.com cannot find it, ARIN says it is owned by PriorityColo, and again it resolves to Toronto. WHOIS history again presents itself as interesting. 19 records this time. It changed to being owned by ogaming between 2005-01-06 and 2005-01-27. On January 6 the whois information was proxy based. Its previous change was between 2004-06-12 and 2004-09-24 (yes long time between record entries). Previously listed owner was Immanuel Steiner. Guild-Hall.Net: -No ads -DNS info matches l2orphus.com. Resolves to same IP as l2orphus.com Only 8 WHOIS entries. This is where it gets interesting. It changed between 2005-01-07 and 2005-02-07. On Jan 7 it was proxy information except it listed RPG Holdings, LLC as the registrant and Adminstrative Contact as Pierce, Brock. One only need to check the IGE About Us page (http://www.ige.com/corporate.aspx?id=team&lang=en) to see who Mr. Pierce is! Also to note that during this time the DNS has not changed - an assumption here, but I assumed that the place it pointed to was the same (in Toronto). The other change was between 2004-06-02 (Joseph Lay, the name on it since the domain was created) and 2004-09-24 (proxy whois information). rpgholdings.com seems to have been registered October 14, 2003 and is a store. rpg-holdings.com on the other hand was only registered November 23, 2004. Three WHOIS records: Current is a proxy listing. Both previous ones are also proxy (and also use changeip!) Researching the IP that hosts l2orphus.com, guild-hall.net, and even warcraftcentral.com, we come across some other interesting sites: rpgexpert.com (IGE ads), shadowknight.org (IGE ad), mmorpg.net (.net - not .com!) It is to note that anyone who followed EverQuest will know that IGE bought shadowknight.org and created (bought?) rpgexpert.com. Rpgexpert.com warrants a closer look. The original WHOIS record for rpgexpert.com is from 2003-08-25 and is to Jonathan Yantis. He is referred on IGE's About Us page as their 'Chief Strategic Officer'. Right now WHOIS lists ogaming as the owner. The 2005-01-20 lists rpg-holdings, and the address at "1591 E. atlantic blvd. , Pompano Beach". The previous record of 2005-01-11 also lists this address, but the Administrative Contact is Pierce, Brock (remember him) and the email is yantis@ige.com. This Mr. Yantis seems to have been bought up by IGE: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:LjA1rYfqz3UJ:www.ige.com/aboutus_OP.htm+IGE+yantis+&hl=en While looking at guild-hall.net, I noticed it mentioned an 'Interview with IGE' that pointed to http://guildwars.ogaming.com/data/2315~IGEInterview.php All other ogaming sites also seem to link to this interview. So we may have linked IGE to OGaming and its little sites, but where does Thottbot fit in other than what ogaming claims? Thottbot.com resolves to '69.44.57.147'. This is also at Glen Mills, Pennslyvania (where ogaming is right now). Thottbot.com WHOIS is also proxy protected. I did not mention this earlier, but in the switch of the domain registrations, all the websites from registrar X to Network Solutions. Then a few months ago they all went to GoDaddy. Thottbot.com is also at Godaddy.com. It used to be at 'onlinenic, inc.' So its a bit interesting, but not much. Thottbot's DNS is ns1.thottbot.net and ns2.thottbot.net. Thottbot.net's WHOIS is not proxy protected, and it mentiosn a 'William Dyess'. Checking whois history of thottbot.com, Mr. Dyess was also listed as the owner of thottbot.com (before it was hidden by proxy). So while I was searching for the missing link (it is always there), I stumbled across something while checking out the site - ogamingmedia.com. ogamingmedia.com is weird. It points to 207.44.248.82, which is in Texas. Further investigation shows that it is owned by ev1servers.net, a very large dedicated web hosting company. Now viewing source on l2orphus.com, warcraftcentral.com, ogaming.com, you actually see ogamingmedia.com on every site. ogaming.com uses it for its own ad serving, so we can assume that it is indeed owned by them (and WHOIS information correlates). So what happened? https://registrar.godaddy.com/whois.asp?isc=&se=%2B&from_app=&mscssid=&pl_id=1&prog_id=GoDaddy&domain=ogamingmedia%2ECOM. Look at the domain name servers. ns1.thottbot.net and ns2.thottbot.net. The same DNS servers used by thottbot.com. Do a host lookup using that DNS, and it indeed points to 207.44.248.82. Query enthropia DNS and it also points to that same IP. One final thing. ogaming.com front page says '(c) 2000-2003'. Google cache: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:jBMtjQeRc1oJ:www.ogaming.com/+ogaming&hl=en. - 2003 Enthropia. From what I can gather in this research, plus asking around people at ogaming, and this random thread (found while searching): http://www.gs200.com/showthread.php?p=147306. It seems like IGE bought this network from them. Final statement: IGE owns thottbot.com, ogaming.com, and a host of other gaming sites. The repercussions of this could be deep. From using thottbot as a resource to find farming places to using thottbot as an engine of advertising (everyone seems to know of it) this is a serious concern. A currency selling company owning such websites is a serious issue. Side note: http://whois.webhosting.info/69.90.10.14 - interesting list. |