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Title: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: IainC on February 26, 2011, 03:19:28 PM I've thrown my hat back into the ring (http://www.antipwn.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=7) and I'd appreciate you all:
1: Voting for me 2: Deploying your best and most insightful posts to my candidacy thread (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1474415) I'm not an official Goon candidate (that didn't exactly work out for me last year anyhow) so I'm entirely dependent on out of alliance and alt votes. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Gets on February 27, 2011, 12:31:53 PM Watch out, Phildo is doing Ralph Nader jokes.
I have to say CSM6 is going to offer the kind of entertainment us Raumschiffpolitik lovers want if you're taking the extra step to follow it. As the majority of the 0.0 block expressed their wishes to not let people who don't have a clue on anything bring backward progression to the game, a lot of of the other side is displaying unequivocal amounts of sperg. I am eyeing the CSM forum and the likely elected are also the hotspots for likely Nazi references. Mittani's brilliant "they're lying to you" slogan that's trying to win the non-goon vote has even attracted the other candidates to defend themselves and without considering that maybe they're just being trolled by the smuggest person in Eve right now. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Phildo on February 27, 2011, 05:19:05 PM I was saving a Lyndon Larouche joke for Iain, actually. Because Kalrand is Ross Perot, you see.
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: TripleDES on March 04, 2011, 03:11:53 PM Vote for Mittani, for the laughs. A large part of the playerbase is going to have a meltdown, if he becomes CSM chairman.
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Kageru on March 04, 2011, 08:44:07 PM Oh, you're Helen? I was impressed by some of your descriptions of how the CSM works in practice. And I think that's a large part of what's informing the Mittani's platform.
Vote for Mittani, for the laughs. A large part of the playerbase is going to have a meltdown, if he becomes CSM chairman. Yes... watching him unify the CSM and turn on CCP should be entertaining. A lot of the other people (Vile rat, Helen and I assume some of the other null-sec candidates) are pretty capable and should be equally as amusing. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: IainC on March 09, 2011, 05:39:55 AM The election starts today. vote early, often and tell all your friends (http://www.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=363).
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: UnsGub on March 09, 2011, 08:03:35 AM Voted.
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Gets on March 09, 2011, 08:34:06 AM All my fives.
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Goumindong on March 11, 2011, 04:14:26 PM Would have given you some support if I still played
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: eldaec on March 11, 2011, 08:34:03 PM I gather there is a reactivate free for 5 days offer going on which let's you vote without having to do anything so terrible as play Eve online (the spaceship and soon to be vampires in stations themed mmo).
This will mean anyone who ever used the steam buddy scam can use all those alts to vote as well. Election fraud itt. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Goumindong on March 11, 2011, 08:44:27 PM I should have been more clear. I would vote for you if i was not so lazy to bother re-signing up or download the client, either of which I cannot be assed to do.
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: eldaec on March 12, 2011, 09:17:36 AM You don't need to download the client - but logging in on eve-o (the spaceship/vampire internet community) would unfortunately be required.
In other news, CCP has effectively announced (in their, omg this many people have voted thread) that they have 348k active accounts that have existed for over 30 days, up from 310k at the time of the last election. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: IainC on March 18, 2011, 02:39:37 PM In further 'always the bridesmaid, never the bride' news, Vuk Lau quit the CSM today meaning that as first alternate I get to be a full delegate for what remains of this session. Normally I'd also get a free Fanfest trip out of it but because it's too late for CCP to sort out the arrangements (Fanfest is next weekend) I miss out on that. :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: tgr on March 18, 2011, 02:41:49 PM Quit the CSM? Any relation to kalrand's reason for withdrawing?
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: IainC on March 18, 2011, 02:44:58 PM I don't think so. HEs been threatening to do so for a while now (since last year). I guess he just waited until his Fanfest ticket was non-cancellable.
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: tgr on March 18, 2011, 02:47:24 PM This was just broadcast over jabber:
Quote from: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1484158 Last night I resigned as CSM delegate. One of my main goals was pointing how horrible CCP customer support is. For me this was top priority especially if we take into consideration that EVE is extremely complex, undocumented and bugged product. Sadly I didnt had support from both the rest of the CSM and from the CCP. CCP is living in their heaven of faulty statistic and biased circlejerk reports. As some of you know when I raised the issue of INcompetence of GM department http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Competence_of_the_GM_department_ CSM http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1135590 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1137322 and during the meeting I realized how deeply goes the problem of customer support. Anyway after raising that issue I received plenty of :facepalm: material from customers and from the current and former GMs who were unhappy how things are working. Later on, many of the pilots were contacting me for help with petitions where i even further realized how crappy things are. I started preparing issue to be raised again, but didnt got any feedback from CCP, just to be surprised with one of the most embarrassing devblogs ever - Devblog about change of the reimbursement policies. I already started boiling, but then this week happened, the week before the Fanfest trip. I had 4 personal petitions (I will not even touch the subject of petitions I am handling for other players because of :facepalm:) in last couple of days, 2 are still unanswered, 1 is escalated and 1 I closed after two GMs copy/pasting answers without even reading what I wrote. This combined with embarrassing discussion about 0.0 future with main game designers resulted in my decision to resign. I know I have only 2 weeks left, but going on Fanfest and smiling there how CSM is awesome :stakeholders: while I got nothing but crap in the face from CCP will be something I would regret it. Not to mention that I would most likely barely restrain from raping some of them. I am sad I will not see a lot of players and lot of CCP dudes who I was looking forward to see, but it would be dishonest from me to be part of that. I am really really sorry I failed in fixing/improving customer support. Despite this ending I am proud to say that thanks to us, awesome video made by Blazde and me pursuing the issue CCP at least admitted there is lag and assembled dedicated team to tackle the issue. It would stay nothing but :words: if there wasnt some awesome dudes in CCP like CCP Veritas and CCP Explorer who really dedicated themselves to the issue. Anyway I dont need to point how important is to have competent 0.0 delegates because if there wasnt me in CSM 4 the closest person who gave **** about lag was Trebor who had some ******ed ideas about fog of war or something...but at least he cared, regardless how clueless he is. I apologize one more time to everyone who voted for me, but I exhausted all civilized ways of communication with CCP and I already crossed over the line of civil correspondence with them. At the end of the day I am aware that the best way of "talking" with CCP is "crashtheJitanode" way, but even I fully endorse it I would never drag others with me. I am kinda emo because all the energy and time myself and people around me are putting into this game to make it better place for all of us, but I really didnt had any choice but to stop being part of the show. Sorry to all dudes who were looking forward to having fun times in Iceland with me along, I am sure you will have great time anyway and we will all meet each other on NC BBQ on summer. Also I need to talk with Elvenlord but I am unsure if we will hold alliance presentation. At the I am sorry if I disappointed all of you who gave me your votes. RAWR Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: IainC on March 18, 2011, 02:56:24 PM Yeah, I just read that on the Eve-o forums. I guess he doesn't care about his fanfest ticket after all and it's just crappy timing (for me).
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Numtini on March 20, 2011, 02:57:02 PM That would make 2 CSM reps quitting eve, including the chair. And one quitting the CSM in no confidence. But we'll be able to walk around in stations. And everyone loves avatars, just look at how Second Life has taken off.
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: tgr on March 20, 2011, 03:53:46 PM If the rest of the game was more or less a-ok, then I would be all over incarna, but it ... well, isn't.
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Gets on March 21, 2011, 04:58:07 PM Mittens has written a short TTH article on the CSM: http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/96780/page/1
Voting ends today. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 21, 2011, 05:21:40 PM Has the Council of Stellar Management ever produced anything tangible? Other than drama?
I mean real changes for the better here. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Gets on March 21, 2011, 05:53:53 PM Let me tell you about a man named Bane Glorious and his Titan Manifesto.
Also, pretty sure Dominion sovereignty system was brought onto the table at that time too when Darius JOHNSON was also presiding on the CSM. About a year later the changes were made live. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Goumindong on March 22, 2011, 07:28:38 AM Let me tell you about a man named Bane Glorious and his Titan Manifesto. The CSM wasn't the Dominion Sov system.Also, pretty sure Dominion sovereignty system was brought onto the table at that time too when Darius JOHNSON was also presiding on the CSM. About a year later the changes were made live. And if it was, i would be hesitant to call that a "real change for the better" They did get Titan's nerfed, and a number of other small changes which were valuable (but I am at a loss to tell you what they were) Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: IainC on March 22, 2011, 08:03:25 AM Let me tell you about a man named Bane Glorious and his Titan Manifesto. The CSM wasn't the Dominion Sov system.Also, pretty sure Dominion sovereignty system was brought onto the table at that time too when Darius JOHNSON was also presiding on the CSM. About a year later the changes were made live. And if it was, i would be hesitant to call that a "real change for the better" They did get Titan's nerfed, and a number of other small changes which were valuable (but I am at a loss to tell you what they were) Dominion went through CSM1 and they provided a lot of feedback to the devs. Apparently, the final version of Dominion was very different to the one that Darius, Bane and co were briefed on. More visible CSM-pushed achievements are the skill queue, removal of learnign skills, the patch full of nothing but small fixes from a month or so back, the climbdown on micro-transactions for items or services that affect the game and a general re-ordering of the items in the various context menus. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: ajax34i on March 22, 2011, 08:58:53 AM Even with that, in order to say that something is actually the result of CSM effort, you have to compare what changes CCP have implemented during the CSM period with what changes they used to implement (due to forums whining/complaints) back in 2003-5 before CSM existed. And it's hard to remember way back then.
My guess is, they're implementing just about the same amount of changes. So, IMO, CSM hasn't done much - we could probably accomplish the same by creating huge threadnaughts on the forums and keeping them on the front page for a few months. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Goumindong on March 22, 2011, 10:05:22 AM They're always going to make roughly the same amount of changes, what we care about is if they make better changes.
For instance, before the CSM, CCP was adamant about not having a skill queue. That we got the skill queue indeed does mean that we did not get something else in its place. But the skill queue is likely much better than whatever shit CCP would have done instead Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Gets on March 22, 2011, 11:59:45 AM In the very recent example of O2O the NC had the iHub down along with the last timer on the station. XIX suddenly brought in their supers at 9am and made all progress void. 34 titans and 40 something supercarriers dead almost equally to both sides. I am OK with this.
d2a supercaps Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Kageru on March 22, 2011, 04:38:22 PM What the last CSM achieved was the quote "No developer resources for 18 months" escaping and goading CCP into some sort of action. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Thrawn on March 26, 2011, 12:57:01 PM Results Are in -
The Mittani Seleene UAxDEATH Trebor Daehdoow Killer2 White Tree Vile Rat Meissa Anunthiel Draco Llasa http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=886 Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: tgr on March 26, 2011, 01:15:14 PM And the SHC guys are so convinced that this CSM is definitely going to be irrelevant again.
I love it. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Sir T on March 26, 2011, 06:08:24 PM Hard Luck Iain
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Furiously on March 26, 2011, 07:31:07 PM Giantaruco.... I almost regret voting for Mitani now...
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: ajax34i on March 26, 2011, 08:25:30 PM And the SHC guys are so convinced that this CSM is definitely going to be irrelevant again. Maybe they think that way because this CSM will have its term while CCP is focused on avatars-in-a-cabin. And PVE, I hear. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Phildo on March 26, 2011, 09:20:05 PM There was a thread from about two years ago when the alliance learned Mittani's real name for the first time. The reactions were fantastic.
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: tgr on March 27, 2011, 02:17:36 AM And the SHC guys are so convinced that this CSM is definitely going to be irrelevant again. Maybe they think that way because this CSM will have its term while CCP is focused on avatars-in-a-cabin. And PVE, I hear. It's glorious, especially when you graph out all the CSMs and get the following picture: (http://mindriot.as/CSM.jpg) From what I've seen, they all seem to genuinely think that those of us in the NC and DC actually want to keep the status quo, and that we can't possibly be trusted to support ANYTHING that would make 0.0 more dynamic. It's glorious. Edit: Just to emphasize this: PVP stats or GTFO (http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?p=1573766#1573766). And they really are super bitter (http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?p=1573825#1573825) about it. Really, seriously super bitter (http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?p=1574034#1574034). Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Simond on March 27, 2011, 04:41:40 AM It's not like SHC was ever relevant other than a temporary holding area between CAOD being moderated to death and Kugu's site, anyway. It's an echo chamber of tired old has-beens and never-weres plus lowsec 'pirates' who still haven't realised that they are utterly irrelevant and insignificant to both the highsec and 0.0 crowds.
E: Also, this moves the inevitable Tech nerf another year further away. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Thrawn on March 27, 2011, 10:08:08 AM Those threads are great. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Sir T on March 27, 2011, 10:23:51 AM Feck sake. I've never seen so much impotent crying and whining in all my life.
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Phildo on March 27, 2011, 11:28:09 AM What is that graph actually charting?
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: tgr on March 27, 2011, 11:42:47 AM Number of voters and their in-game age at the time of voting. Some idiot on SHC thought 7k voters between 30 and 250 days old were some major NC conspiracy, when CSM5 had 8.6k or something in that same category. Facts doesn't seem to be their strong suit. vOv
Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: ajax34i on March 27, 2011, 12:53:51 PM How many new accounts voted vs. how many old accounts (from left to right).
But what's missing is the number of new accounts vs. old accounts in the entire playerbase. Because I have a feeling that it mirrors those downward slopes, and if you normalize using that, everything is probably a horizontal line. That is, percentage wise, of all the new players a certain percent of them voted, and of all the old players, a similar percent voted. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Phred on March 27, 2011, 07:01:25 PM And the SHC guys are so convinced that this CSM is definitely going to be irrelevant again. Maybe they think that way because this CSM will have its term while CCP is focused on avatars-in-a-cabin. And PVE, I hear. I think that's attributing a bit much to most of the shc crew. Several of them seem to have been visited by a burning bush in the last few nights which told them that Mittani was Satan incarnate and that's why they don't have a lot of hope for this csm. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Numtini on March 27, 2011, 08:24:31 PM Quote which told them that Mittani was Satan incarnate That's pretty much what the outgoing chairwoman has been saying about him. Title: Re: CSM 6 Campaigning has begun Post by: Phred on March 27, 2011, 08:38:10 PM It's not like SHC was ever relevant other than a temporary holding area between CAOD being moderated to death and Kugu's site, anyway. It's an echo chamber of tired old has-beens and never-weres plus lowsec 'pirates' who still haven't realised that they are utterly irrelevant and insignificant to both the highsec and 0.0 crowds. Not only that they don't miss a chance to bemoan their inability to vote for Larkonis, the CSM member who was booted for breaking the nda and trying to profit from advanced knowledge. He may even be indirectly responsible for the technetium mess as they had to quickly readjust the mineral balance after he leaked what was originally planned. Despite their disdain for Mittani they seem to have no problem forgiving this jerk his transgressions. |