f13.net

League ID: 12874

Password is the same as last year. Everything is the same as last year so speak up to change. I think we didn't like something.

All of last year's players should have gotten an email. It is a new feature.

After 3 years of being in the jv league I've finally noticed the thread in time. In as The Invalids.

Team Guybrush is in.

The Attack Monkies are back!  :drill:

Also, per all the bitching last year, make sure you make the setting for "W/T" slot a pure TE slot. Otherwise TE's are completely useless and we have a rush on every single low-rent wide receiver in the league.

Fear my reign of mediocrity!

Gulf Coast Oilers are in.

Bandwagon is IN.

cock-a-doodle-doo

Uh, any chance a newcomer can get on in this?  If so, please to be linking a site.

In and ready to get raped by variance once again.

Kilt Wavers have returned for their annual shot at mediocrity!

EDIT: Also, what Paelos said about making a dedicated TE slot. Otherwise it will be a shitty fucking year.

Will do, but god help those with TEs #8-14.

Meh, you never know. Some of the projected TE's were complete shit last year (I'm looking at you Chris Cooley), while guys like Brent Celek and JerMichael Finley were bottom rung dudes who had breakout seasons.

I think the league size was also a point of contention.  It's not so bad when it's #8-12.

I'm in if any reserved slots from last year are available. My JV-fu was good. I'm ready for the big show.

I'm game for locking league membership and swapping 13 & 14 from this league with 1&2 from JV, starting with this season.

How the hell am I supposed to remember the password from a year ago?  I'M FUCKING OLD!

Nevermind  :grin:  Invitation thingy worked. 

Is the JV league open? Or has it been setup yet?

I should have it up this weekend. I'm lazy.

I just got the email - I'm not sure if it's JV or what but I'm in either way.  Thanks for the invite!

The Drunks are in and ready to stumble with great success  :drill:

Invites went out for the JV team.  They made the process extremely easy.  Still, if people don't get in, we have repeats between leagues.

JV league is 12 teams and a bigger roster.

JV League Assemble!

If there's a spot in the JV league, can someone toss me an invite or post the league ID?

25194

pwd: secondclass

Do you guys have room?  I'd like to join.

Yah, jv league has plenty (7 slots) open right now.

Canton Ratbirds signed up!

Got a link to the league front page?

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/25194

Maybe I'm being dense, but is there a way I can get into the JV league?  Need a link and password?

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/register/joinleague

Click "Join Custom" 

League ID: 25194

pwd: secondclass

Awesome, thanks.  And thus enters Team Whippy.

Main league is QB, RB, WR, TE, W/T, W/R right now.  Should we have more player positions? I think the W/T should be another W/R.

I'm in.

Though I think I'm away on the weekend of the draft.  :oh_i_see:

Don't forget the K and DEF  :awesome_for_real:  Yah, either make the W/T a WR, W/R, or just drop it altogether.

Drop it. Adding that many spots on a 14 team league would cause the very odd fluctuations we got last year. I would preferrably like to cut down on the impact that WR randomness has on the game, but that's my personal view. Drafting 70 decent starting fantasy position players is plenty.

Drop it, don't need TE and W/T.  I'd give odds that not one of those W/T slot has a TE in that position and given the number of WR's that will already be in play that slot will only have 3rd stringers in it anyway.

Count my vote as 'drop it'. There's more than enough positions already for a 14 team league.

Yeah, either drop it or make it a W/T/RB slot, which really will cut down on the talent pool. Drop it.

Gettin' ready for some football?

Last call for roster settings: QB, WR, WR, W/R, RB, TE, K, DEF

I am happy with those roster settings.

Game on.

How many bench spots?

Default is 6. I didn't change it.

The only comment I have is on the scoring system. 

- 6 pts for a thrown TD is too high, 4 seems right or the league becomes QB dominated.

- 15 yd per receiving yd seems a bit harsh, but is offset by the 0.5 per reception.  Gives added value to possession receivers.

I like the sack and interception penalties... a lot. 

I agree with that except the TD comment. Touchdowns are touchdowns.

Just be aware that with 6 points for thrown TD's, 8 of the top 10 scoring players will be QB's. 

Seeing as how it's the most important position in the NFL, I don't really find fault with that.

Brett Favre retires... again (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5433551).

Not really buying it until the goddamn season starts.

It's a trick.  Get an axe.

The dude is a waffle cone.  Granted, a waffle cone with a cannon for an arm. 

Fuck, there goes ESPN for the week.

I am a strong believer in 6pt TDs for all positions.  If there was overwhelming consensus against it, I would change it but since this league has played with 6pt TDs since it started I really think we should stick with it.

I hope I didn't come off as complaining about it.  It was more of a comment.  I'm perfectly happy with any scoring system and will adjust my draft accordingly.

Favre is apparently not retiring so long as his ankle holds up. I swear, I think ESPN makes this shit up just to get temporary ratings boosts. Fuckers.

I just change radio/TV channels if they bring it up. I don't give a damn about the Vikings, and I hope they get exactly what they deserve for letting this go on. The longer this continues, the more respect I gain for Green Bay telling him to fuck off, and I hope they win the division this year powered by Aaron Rodgers throwing 4000 yards.

I realize the draft is coming up on Friday, but is there any way that you could make it a tad later in the day for those of us that work west of the Mississippi?  If not, no worries... I'll just try to draft from my office  :awesome_for_real:

Thanks for reminding me to email my boss and let him know I need to leave by 1:45PM  :grin:

I'm looking forward to a laid back Friday afternoon in my office, to be honest.

I thought about just taking a 45 min  break or so and drafting from work, but the idea of leaving 2.5 hours early on a Friday really appealed to my inner slacker.

I have done about a half dozen mock drafts.  I have seen Drew Brees go anywhere from 6th to 16th.  I have seen Adrien Peterson go 4th.  A 14 team draft is always interesting and I look forward to getting mocked on a Friday afternoon!

The draft should be good.  The league last year was competitive.  Four teams were 8-5 and five were 7-6.  That's about as tight as it gets. I hope things are similarly close this year.

I can't remember how long it took last year.  Will we be done in 2 hours?

That should be more than enough time. I would be surprised if we weren't done in under an hour.

That is pushing it, but it does depend on how many are on autopick.  I love when lots of people are on autopick because it is easy to predict who the autopicker will draft usually.

So I didn't join the F13 league, but I did do one with co-workers and we drafted last night. Thought I'd post my picks for critique. I picked 4th overall and started with Gore:

Brett Favre
Miles Austin
Dwayne Bowe
Devin Hester
Frank Gore
Matt Forte
Visanthe Shiancoe

Ryan Longwell

San Francisco (defense)

Bench:
Sidney Rice
Anthony Gonzalez (WR)
Brandon Manumaleuna
Willis McGahee
Leon Washington
Rex Grossman

Um, ignore the Grossman pick - that was purely for comedy sake (I use the Rex "Fuck it - I'm going deep!" Logo as my team emblem)

Receivers are a little thin. I like McGahee on the bench and the SF D, but Sidney Rice is going to miss like half the season, Leon Washington is running behind one of the shittiest lines in the league, and you could get a far more productive backup TE than BM, imo...he is going to be on one of the worst teams in the league (which why I am suspect of Hester too). God I can't wait to watch Martz fail again  :grin:

I fully admit that being a Bears fan gives me a possibly delusional hope for Martz. Washington was the product of a late round pick I was planning on taking going right before me, and me running out of time - so I just clicked the next highest back on the list.

With this league, which allows repeated waiver moves, your bench is really just a holding pen for picking up whoever's hot that week. Rice is there so I don't have to fight over him when he comes back after six games. Hester I picked up around the 8th round, so it was pretty thin at that point - and when he does actually catch the ball, it's usually big yards. Maybe they'll let him return kicks again?

Sorry I couldn't attend live draft, but at least it wasn't nearly the fiasco I expected. Don't know if it was the quick and dirty ranking or the auto one, but I might be alright since I have Shonn Greene (NYJ). After checking the waiver wire my roster in the JV league is probably heavy a couple of RBs, but that probably will mean a trade prospect if someone is looking for a decent RB.

GOOD LUCK ALL!

The problem with drafting Manumaleuna isn't that he plays for the Bears, or Martz.  It's that he's basically a 3rd OT and has never caught more than 25 balls in a season.

Bunk,

I think you'll need to work the waiver wire early and often when the season starts.  Your team lacks depth and bench value.



Note: I hate being critical of anyone's draft.  So much can change during the course of a season.

No offense taken, I know the bench lacks depth outside of McGahee. Based on past experience, I will be relying on guys who can't control themselves when it comes to the waivers. Eventually they drop decent players that had bad weeks to grab the flavor of the day.

And you're right about the season - there is really no way to predict a league from the draft. Last year's NHL draft I did, 4 of my top 6 picks were injured for 20 or more games.

I hate Forte. He fucked me last year with the huge falloff in TDs and yards.

Anyone else having trouble loging into yahoo? It's giving me bad security certificate errors.

I'm in right now.

I made it in.

I just got payback for being critical of Bunk's draft.  I did a piss poor job drafting this year.  Time to find a team on the waiver wire.

Couldn't make the live draft but looks like auto-draft didn't screw me too much.

I think I did pretty good. Got Brees on the autodraft, as well as two good wideouts. Running back is a bit iffy (Ronnie Brown, Marion Barber, Brandon Jacobs) but ought to do well enough. Week 10 will be tough with both my starting wideouts on bye.

I like your draft better than mine.  I think Jacobs will do better than expected and Sproles is a smart handcuff with a rookie starter. 

I took a few gambles in my draft, but if they pan out it will be very nice. Overall, I think RB this season will be a total guessing game. Nobody really knows what to expect out of most of these guys.

RB always seems like a crapshoot.  I consider myself lucky that I got (JV squad, mind you) Ray Rice, because he's GOT to be good for 1500 combined, if he stays healthy.  I like RBs who are also really good receivers, especially in a low output passing game like Baltimore where they tend to dump it off a lot.  Got Pierre Thomas as well, which should be sweet if he stays healthy.

Of course, I thought the same way last year when I got LT and Matt Forte  :tantrum:

My line-up isn't too shabby, but I've got shit for bench depth in the JV squad.  So it goes.

Mayhap we can post our starting squads for the benefit of those who can see into the other leagues:

QB - Phillip Rivers (which I am quite pleased with)
RB - Ray Rice
RB - Pierre Thomas
WR - Roddy White (yay!)
WR - Percy Harvin (I actually kinda like this one as a darkhorse)
TE - Zach Miller (meh)
K - Lawrence Tynes (who cares?)
D - Pittsburgh (had them last year...they score lots of TDs)

Got Felix Jones, T.O. and Jonny Knox on the bench.  And Kyle Orton (haha).  I don't love my bench, but I could see them fitting in certain weeks.  And maybe Knox will turn into a Juggernaut, if only Cuntler can stop throwing to the wrong team.

Funny thing is, I wasn't even trying for Flacco, but still got him in both leagues. So wacky.


Bat Country JV League

QB - Joe Flacco
WR - Miles Austin
WR - Greg Jennings
RB - Frank Gore
TE - Jason Witten
W/R - Michael Crabtree
BN - Matt Forte
BN - Derrick Mason
BN - Braylon Edwards
BN - Chad Henne
BN - Will Heller
K - Rob Bironas

DEF - Philadelphia
BN - New England
 

Then, in a second family league I'm in


QB   Joe Flacco, Bal QB   
RB   DeAngelo Williams, Car RB   
RB   Jamaal Charles, KC RB  P   
RB/WR   Mike Wallace, Pit WR   
WR   Marques Colston, NO WR   
WR   Mike Sims-Walker, Jac WR   
TE   Chris Cooley, Was TE   
D/ST   Patriots D/ST, NE D/ST   
K   Jay Feely, Ari K   

BENCH
Bench   Kevin Kolb, Phi QB   
Bench   Visanthe Shiancoe, Min TE   
Bench   Kenny Britt, Ten WR   
Bench   Correll Buckhalter, Den RB  P   
Bench   Kevin Smith, Det RB  P   
Bench   Lawrence Tynes, NYG K   
Bench   Browns D/ST, Cle D/S

I picked 9th in JV. During the middle rounds I picked up a third WR instead of DEF. Right after me, all the best DEFs went out the window. Still, I think I'm okay.

QB / A. Rodgers

WR / R. Moss

WR / M. Colston

RB / J. Forsett

TE / D. Clark

W-R / T. Hightower

K / M. Crosby

DEF / Inianapolis


BN WR _ M. Floyd
BN WR _ J. Cotchery
BN WR _ D. Driver
BN QB  _ M. Stafford
BN TE  _ T. Heap
BN RB  _ L. Tomlinson

I was 10th in the regular league.

QB - Kevin Kolb
WR - Randy Moss
WR - Reggie Wayne
RB - Beanie Wells
TE - Visanthe Shiancoe
W/R - Jahved Best
K - Josh Scobee
DEF - Dallas

My WR's are the strongest point on my team, which is what murdered me last year when they were total sucking chest wounds in my lineup. My QB is a total gamble, but I have Carson Palmer to back him up if things go off the rails. I'm unsure if Beanie Wells will be worth a damn, but we'll see. Shiancoe is a solid TE, and Best should get some good carries on a Detroit team looking to control the ground. I like my Defense and my kicker was an afterthought.

QB - A. Rogers
WR - L. Fitzgerald
WR - C. Ochocinco
RB - L. McCoy
TE - O. Daniels
W/R - K. Moreno
K - R. Lindell
D - Bears

Bench
WR - S. Moss
WR - M. Wallace
WR - L. Evans
RB - J. Ringer
QB - B. Rapelisberger
D - SD
_________________________

I feel pretty good about the team but not great. RB will obviously be a big issue if McCoy peters out and Moreno's hamstring doesn't get better. 

Autodraft did ok for me I guess:

Starters:

QB - Brett Favre (Min)
WR - Miles Austin (Dal)
WR - Hakeem Nicks (NYG)
RB - Adrian Peterson (Min)
TE - Kellen Winslow (Cle)
W/R - Pierre Thomas (NO)
K - Rob Bironas (Oak)
D - SF

Bench:

RB - Reggie Bush (NO)
RB - Steve Slaton (Hou)
TE - John Carlson (Sea)
WR - Demaryius Thomas (Den)
QB - Josh Johnson (TB)
D - Ind

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Should all right, the obvious highlights being Peterson and Austin.  I hate having Brett on there with Peterson as well, I mean, they could super blow up again, or Brett could Favre out early this season.  A bit RB heavy, and I'm hoping that the RBs in NO figure their shit out.  Thomas (Den) already injured makes me double lawl too.  First injured Fantasy Player of the season?

Also, I didn't know who Josh Johnson was until a few days ago.

Anyone want a decent RB sub (Slaton)?

On a different note, anyone else notice the Yahoo Fantasy Football page is way slower than its ever been?

On a side note - Yahoo now has a fantasy football app for the iPhone and Droid.

Other than Favre, I think you did quite well.  Your bench needs help, but I'd be happy to have your starting lineup.   

Bat Country:
QB: Culter
WR: Andre Johnson
WR: Wes Welker
RB: Steven Jackson
TE: Antonio Gates
W/R: Donald Driver
K: Kaeding
D: Cin

Bench: CJ Spiller, Alex Smith, LT, Braylon Edwards, Benn, Walter

JV league (Autodraft):  
QB: Culter
WR: Andre Johnson
WR: Lee Evans (I had Sidney Rice pre injury)
RB:  DeAngelo Williams
TE: Tony Gonzales
W/R: CJ Spiller
K: Prater
D: NO

Bench: Jahvid Best, Ronnie Brown, Carson Palmer, Jermaine Gresham, Sidney Rice, Jacoby Jones

WR is obviously a glaring weak point. For this team.

Overall, I'm not super psyched about my teams.  If Culter implodes, I've got decent backup options.  If Andre Johnson goes down, I'll be royally screwed.

Feel the same way.  But good QB's always seem to put up the highest numbers in our league.  So having a.....well, a Favre could be bad this season.  I'll give him a game or 2 to see how it goes.

And yes, my bench is full of "might not play" second strings.

My RB situation is bleak.

We're not doing a pick 'em this year, or did you all just go off and do one without me?

Went ahead and renewed it from last year

Group ID: 64248
Password: f13.net
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/pickem/register/joingroup

I'm in.

Awesome, I'm in.  Thanks man!

In.

Thanks JWIV

In.

In.

The Drunks are in

The Kevin Kolb gamble certainly is paying dividends  :oh_i_see:

I've never had a fantasy QB actually COST me points before.

You've never had the joy of owning Jay Cutler.

Playing Houshmandzadeh or Jamaal Charles is a tougher decision this week than it should be imo, especially while I'm still kicking my own ass for putting in Sims-Walker for Collie. :oh_i_see:

WTT my team for your team, PST.

Noticed that.

Anyone want Vick?

I'm proud to say that I eeked out a win with the lowest possible point total this week, although I didn't notice that one of my RB's wasn't going to play, and my QB cost me points.

Fear the inept monkey swarm!

I am enjoying the fact that talent was thin.  I would have enjoyed the league even more with 16 teams. 

I still hate my draft, but it helped me draft a MUCH better team in my money league.  So thanks for that. 

There is fuckall available at running back. Marion Barber is not a solid #2 in this league.

Scarcity will only get worse as injuries mount.  It is all relative. If you have room on your bench for a spare RB, it can be nice to tuck away a back-up guy or two.

I had two recievers (Hester and Bowe) combine for 30 yards and had my defence give up 25pts, yet still managed to win in my league. Yay Matt Forte in the 5th round!

I thought that having Sims-Walker getting 0 catches/yards/points was bad when he was shut down by Champ Bailey, but ouch with Hester and Bowe.

That's why I benched Sims-Walker in our league  :grin:

Always check out the match-ups. 

Yeah, dumb move by me. I look at the team match-ups and simply forgot Denver's corners are good. Then I'm reminded of how bad of a trade the skins made to get Portis while giving up Bailey, which makes me laugh and feel better :why_so_serious:

One of my QBs has a concussion. The other one is playing Baltimore.  :oh_i_see:

Huzzah.

I wouldn't lose faith in Sims-Walker yet. Because his counterpart, Mike Thomas, had a good first game (6 rec. 89 yds.), Sims-Walker may find himself getting embarrassed less. Garrard had three passing TDs to guys who are rarely targeted, so that could open up the field.

With Hester, Bowe and Forte on your team...I wonder if you didn't just experience your last victory of the season?  Forte will perform like that twice a year at best (the Detroit games).  Hope you have an amazing QB!

My lack of depth is at WR right now, but I do also have Austin - who scored me over 20 pts. Forte is also my second back behind Gore. QB, well, who knows what I'll get out of the Favre.

Okay, that sounds better.  Austin is a machine, and Gore doesn't usually put up a stinker like he did last week.

Thing about Favre is that you can generally count on him to throw TDs and rack up decent yardage, even in games where he stinks.  Your biggest worries are the sacks and picks.

I know your pain, had Kolb in my other league and Stafford in this one.... it's been a rough week to be my QB.

The Madden Zetleft curse has struck!

It's true, I had Delhomme last year  :drill:

For serious though, if someone wants Vick, offer me a trade.  I feel guilty just having snagged him up :(

Who is your starting QB?  I ask because Vick will be starting against Detroit this week.  I wouldn't be shocked if he put up 25 points this week.

I offered an RB and a WR, but you are full of RBs. I am light on WRs.

Nah, not even sure what I want for him. :(

Non Bat Country league - I'm torn between which TE I  should start

Shiancoe vs Mia  or Chris Cooley vs Houston - what do you guys think?

Shiancoe is the most reliable red zone target Minnesota has.  The only way he won't get TD points this week is if a) Adrian runs all over Miami or b) Harvin plays out of his mind.  Cooley is almost a must start at TE every week as WAS has almost noone else to throw to and McNabb loves him some TE action. 

I say go with your gut.  Both are excellent choices this week.

I really screwed myself in the JVs. After a 3pt. effort from the Indy D last week, I dropped them for Seattle (lol) who gave me a goose egg this week. I still managed 100pts. with Colston left to play Monday night, but sheesh.

Jahved Best is living up to his name. #1 fantasy player baby! If he didn't play for the Lions, he'd have his own cereal.

I should have listened to you.  It may end up costing me a win.

Damn, I thought I would struggle in the regular league and win big in the JV league this season. It's been the exact fucking opposite. Brees and Colston will probably win me the game tonight (they just have to beat Gore's points by like 6 or 7). Boldin and Breaston's lack of production combined with Dallas laying a fucking duck against the Bears offense killed me in the JV league. Also, running backs. I chose poorly.

It probably would have been nice for Jahvid Best to be in my starting lineup this week in the JV league.

My Bat Country team did well today, even if I'm having problems with my WR/RB slot. Cutler has done well.  I think Welker/Andre Johnson tandem is going to have some nice weeks.

edit: I could still lose, if somehow Pierre Thomas has a monster day while at the same time SF defense/special teams get some scores.

As your JV league opponent, I was rather happy to see Jahvid on your bench.

That's me, and I doubt it.

I may have done the same thing, but I'm totally stacked at WR. Gerrard was also benched in that game after throwing four interceptions, so who knows what will happen now. I'm a big Sims-Walker fan though. He helped me to 12 straight wins after adding him last year, several of those being close matches.

Last year he had the advantage of Torry Holt being higher on the depth chart in the beginning. Sims-Walker's success probly hinges on these other recievers stepping up.

4th qtr, 2 min warning and Vernon Davis just caught the pass that gets me the win by .6 points :drill:. Too close for comfort

And Frank Gore's 30 points kills my week. FUCKER. Colston needed to catch a few more passes.

I was living in fear for three hours that Brees would connect with Colston on a TD and you would get a 15 point bump.

I went in to last nights game trailing by seven. Had SF's defence and, um, well, Gore.

 :grin:

I'd say our parity in the Varsity league is pretty solid. Two teams undefeated, two teams 0-2, and 10 teams at 1-1.

<High fives Murdoc as the other 2-0>

How come we don't trade more in our league?

I was feeling good about my chances this week until the Seahawks Defense scored 29 points.   :cry2:

Ya, I almost picked them up because SF def has so far lost me points.  But then I remembered SEA.

Because most people feel that they have to win a trade in order to make one.  Making both sides happy is often a challenge.

Tell me about it.  I benched Philly this week to go with the Patriot D versus Buffalo.  Because you know, it's Buffalo.   If the Pats D is going to score me all of like 2 pts versus Buffalo, I'm done with them.

Finally a win. Damn.

Hell, I was thinking Miami's D against the Jets would rack up some points. Instead, they give me NEGATIVE points. Fuckers. Of course, since Colston is apparently not Drew Brees' TD guy anymore, Aaron Rodgers will likely lose me the game tonight unless all his TD's are to Greg Jennings.

Seattle has saved me so far. I can't believable. I'm starting to wonder if it's even worth using a middle round pick on DEF rather than bolstering other positions.

It is a tough call. The last few years I have waited until my last pick to bother with DEF, hoping to play the waiver wire for weekly match-ups.  However, I haven;t noticed any significant improvement in teams generally since.  The bigger issue with waiting is that fantasy football is usually won with player selection in the 6-10th rounds.  If you don't have an edge on a rookie WR or a #3 WR who can become #2 this year, then a solid DEF might be better in the long run.

This non-conclusive advice from a reliable 8-8, 7-9 or 9-7 fantasy footballer.  I have won once in 8 years of 2-3 leagues.

I just looked in the JV league, holy shit Stu and your Sea def giving you 29 points. Sucks for JWIV (I believe he's Canton Redbirds).  :why_so_serious:

I do think that unless you get one of the top 4-5 defenses, it may be worth it to go week by week picking up the best available that week. So basically, Bal/Pit/GB/Minn usually will be the ones to keep throughout a year. The rest seem to be feast or famine.

As long as the Seahawks can be good for me every other week, I think I'll be ok.  :awesome_for_real:

I've also been getting better performance from my second tier receivers over Moss and Colston. I may pass up solid performers in favor of guys who get targeted more. I've already benched Donald Driver in favor of Mark Clayton (Rams). Malcolm Floyd put up 18+ points on my bench while Colston only had 4.5 (but that was kind of a shock to me). It's tough not to tinker too much and just have faith in the long run.

Needed 10 points to tie, 11 to win from Jermichael Finley last night in one of my pay leagues.  :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

Went in to last night's game trailing by five, with Hester and Forte playing for me.

On the good side, he had Greenbay's RB, on the bad side, he had Cutler.

So I lost, but I really don't care, since the Bears beat the filthy Cheezeheads.   :grin:

I never, EVER, thought that I'd see this in reference to Fantasy football. 

Cutler is the new Bulger. :grin:

Except that he has an actual arm, instead of a vagina duct taped to his shoulder.

Give him a year in Martz's offense. I expect his shoulder to pop out of its joint at least once by November.

An NFL QB needing Tommy John surgery... interesting.

Speaking of QB's, Henne is on the market if anyone needs a backup QB.  I wanted to pick him up for Manning's bye week, but he plays Pittsburgh that week.  :ye_gods:

Looks like I'm top dog.

har har

I'm going to lose hilariously this week.

3/4 of my starters are on Bye.  Poor planning.

That's ok.  I have all of my starters and I bet I still lose this week.

I hate my team.

-10 points.  Yikes.  That may be a new record.  My season keeps looking worse. 

Looks like Randy Moss is tossing up gravy points for me tonight. Thank you Reggie Wayne for setting a new career best in receptions.

I'm just going to go ahead and pat myself on the back for playing T.O. this week.

 :awesome_for_real:

And also!  I put Ray Rice on the bench and played Darren McFadden, the only guy I've picked up from the waiver wire so far.  I was sure that was going to backfire, but it sure as hell didn't.

The most amazing thing about being undefeated thus far is that Ray Rice has done absofuckinglutely nothing for me.  He has been a complete bust so far this year.  Pierre Thomas hasn't exactly lit it up either.

I win if NE D screws up tonight.
 :uhrr:

My experience has been that Fantasy success comes from a) drafting well in the late rounds and b) working the FA market. 

I have done neither well this year and it's showing.

I won't argue the point, but it's Ray Rice.  RAY RICE!  I mean, if he isn't running for a hundred, it's because he's too busy receiving for a hundred.  Ray Fucking Rice! 

Or maybe not so much anymore, what with the Ravens redefining their offense every year.  That and the fact that they seem to prefer McGahee around the goal line.

I'm having the same issue with Marques Colston this year. He's been all famine for me. The Saints aren't scoring as many TD's, which is really weighing me down.

I expect tonight's game to be a tough win for the Dolphins, but I think NE's D is just not that good.

You know what the best / most hilarious part of my team is? My 11th round kicker and my FA wire Defense have 80 combined points.   :grin:

My team was an abortion this week.  Tom Brady is yet to play, but Brandon Lloyd is my current high scorer.  Wow.

My varsity F13 team is a trainwreck. Drew Brees is the ONLY place I'm getting regular points - every one else is like half his points over the season or less. And he's not even having a good year. My JV team isn't nearly as bad because I have Boldin instead of Colston.

Fuck the Jaguars holding Manning to 23 and Collie to 12. Fuck Santana Moss and his 5 rushing yards...yeah that was it. Screw Murphy and his one bad game on the day I give him a shot, and wtf Michael bush and Housh for finally coming alive while on the bech :oh_i_see:

Also, screw TO and his 35 points.

I would have enjoyed my Sunday, even with a bad loss and losing 1st place, if the Bears hadn't gotten their asses handed to them, but nope, that didn't come through for me either. I'm calling shenanigans.

Ah, my opponent!  And yes, I used shenanigans.

It's the only way to explain TO having 35 :awesome_for_real:

Grats on first though, I await a playoff rematch

Colston and Jennings are goddamned disasters this year so far.

My top RB went down in week 2, two of my 3 receivers are a bust, my third receiver is out with an injury for who knows how long.  The only bright spots I have are my QB and a defense I picked up on the waiver wire.  This is going to be a LONG season. 

On the bright side, my bad draft in this league taught me a bunch and I'm doing well in my money league.  Yay!

Held on by the skin of my teeth last night.  Sure is nice being at the top!

I'm trying to enjoy it now because it won't last.  LeSean breaking his rib is brutal.  Just like Vick's injury boned me in my other league.  The Eagles need a new trainer.

Heh, I thought I'd screwed myself by playing Seattle's D over Miami's when Seattle got their asses kicked by the fucking RAMS. Then New England drops 41 on Miami. Ok, never mind then. I still lost.

Feel free to add Sims-Walker to that list. 

0.86 points.   Grumble, grumble.

As of Week 4, here are the Varsity squad Top 3 first round draft pick fantasy busts so far:

1 - Shonn Greene - 38th in RB points
2 - Ryan Mathews - 37th in RB points
3 - Ray Rice - 27th in RB points

Here are the top 3 Draft Steals:

1 - Kyle Orton - Round 11, 5th in total fantasy points
2 - Mark Sanchez - Round 13, 9th in total fantasy points
3 - Austin Collie - Round 10, #1 WR in total points

Food for thought.

My pickup of St Louis D this week turned out pretty good after all too  :grin:

I just can't figure out wtf is up with Rice. He was a beast last year. I am guessing they are trying to throw to the WRs more this year, which steals touches from him. Not sure that is the best plan with Flacco just yet- he still seems like he is learning.

Thanks for doing that. If you can do it again every 3 weeks, that would be awesome!

Yeah I plan on doing updates to it every couple of weeks, delving into the 2nd and 3rd rounds as well as we go.

My year so far has been disasterous.   For Bat Country, my top two players are a tight end and a player I haven't started yet.  For the JV team, it's Culter, who went backwards this week, and Jahvid Best, who was on the bench for his huge week.   

Just awful, awful teams, but I've done better with worse starts.  This year I just haven't been able to keep up with the waver wire and went in with a pretty poor understanding of the personnel situations in the league.  Oh well, just part of being busy.

Sorry I didn't get back to whomever sent a trade request to the Bloodsuckers in the Varsity league that was ignored until withdrawn, I've been out of town.

I (Spartacus Lover) have Michael Bush and RyanTorain available for comparable WR if anyone is looking for a RB.

You want Crabtree or Sims-Walker?  Oh... you said comparable.  Nevermind.

Can I draft losers or what?

Nice grab on Torain.

Really struggled on which D to start so went with the home team so of course the Atlanta D puts up 20 points.

A massive 43 points.  This is less than half the teams projected scores.  I can understand one or two having bad days on any given Sunday but that's supposed to be countered by one or two having good days on any given Sunday.

But for the entire team to have a bad day?  Really?

The team I played, who was in dead last until this week, tosses up 100+. Lovely.  :oh_i_see:

That would be me. Suck it!

My team was due to perform.  My players have generally all been below expectations.  I was a genius to pull Shaun Hill off waivers, though. Admit it!

I think I love my FF team.

Philip Rivers is a stud, and he always performs.
Roddy White is rock solid
T.O. is having a revival
Zach Miller overachieves every game.
Ray Rice woke the fuck up, finally.
Defense has put up points when I needed them (Pittsburgh is my main D, except for this week).
Kickers...keep on kicking I guess?

My problem children are Percy Harvin (who apparently will not develop into a major force anytime soon), Pierre Thomas, who is injured too much and doesn't get called on enough anyway.  Jonny Knox hasn't done anything either.  Did manage to pick up McFadden, who is a good bench option (gave me lots of points a week or two ago).  Got Kyle Orton locked away on the bench, too, for a rainy day.

To sum up my day: Manning + Collie combined couldn't even put up 20 points and were outscored by Garrard  :oh_i_see:

New low today for me in the JV league.  Apparently I forgot to sub out Cutler.  I remember doing so, however, as I did in the main league.

Main league comes down to LT +4 points v. Jets D.  I'm about 60% confident I'll be able to pull out another subpar win.

I should rename my main Bat Country team as 1 QB 7 Sucking Black Holes. My team is awful. Marion Barber is a goddamn wasteland of no points. My wideouts are sub-10 usually sub-5 point performances. My kicker is scoring more than most of my team. Fuck's sake. But then I look at the scores of other games and scores are down all over the place. What the hell? Only two games with more than 100 points for the winning team?

JV is a little better, but not much. At least I have a winning record, and Boldin and Fitzgerald usually together make 1 whole WR. Hopefully Santonio Holmes ends up with good points tonight but I'm not counting on it. Thankfully, I don't need him to win.

Sorry, that name is already taken by my team.

100pts with the V-league roster size is a good outing and not to be expected every week.

Malcolm Floyd scored 31 pts. on my bench.

Unless they rejigger the numbers Brett Favre just gave me a .06 point win.  :awesome_for_real:

What a load of horseshit. Cock-texting douchebag.

Best/Worst part was the meaningless unnecessary sack in the last minute to put it over the top. Thanks Brett!

I'm pretty sure I'm fucked this week. I have to play Kolb against Atlanta because my other QBs are on bye or hurt.

hmmmmmm, should I double down by playing the atlanta defense?

What's your other option?  Even with Kolb at the helm, I'd still expect Philly to put up close to 20 points.

I think everyone is in the same boat.

I've got several Outs and Questionables on my team.

This team is awesome when its healthy.  But everyone keeps getting injured.  Thomas is out ANOTHER week.

Aaaaaannnd my backup backup W/R option is out with a groin. Ugh. I had to dump my second kicker for some scrub WR option out of Tennessee.

This is going to be ugly.

First halves: Kolb 17.65. points, Philip Rivers -2.6 points.  :ye_gods:

Made some bad choices this week.

Optimal Lineup: 127.48
Starting Lineup: 88.68

I had the highest score going into this week.

I just scored 39 points.  Total.

I thought I had no shot this week, but damn if Kolb didn't put me in the game. Now I need a Monday Night Miracle by the Titans Defense and a couple of touchdowns to Nate Washington.

Thank you.  :drill:

The rest of your team finally showed up.

They didnt have to, Brees scored more than my team.

My fantasy hopes are on the shoulders of Mike Sims-Walker.  I'm screwed.  

Between losing the "Toilet Bowl" and Haemish winning, this will secure my bid for last place in the league.   

Fuck.

Heh, you lost by a yard and a half.

Does it bother anyone else that players don't get credit for kick return yards or TD's?

They do get it for the TDs, I believe.  But yeah, seems like they should get something for the yardage.

No.

Yeah, that is getting a little too deep. Maybe something like 5 bonus points if they went over 100 yards in returns or something. It is the same with individual defensive players- it sounds really cool in theory, but is a huge pain in the ass in practice.

And I beat someone in the JV league.  HAHAHA.  Wear that with shame.

I could have won this week, but got some spectacularly poor showings.  Ohh well, this team is middle of the pack and the record is just reflecting that.

Soooo, can Tennessee pitch a shutout against the Jags while returning 2 TDs off interceptions? Because if that happens I will have gotten away with murder this week.

So would Tennessee.  :awesome_for_real:

I would bet huge amounts of cash that they cannot pull that off.

I'll accept that bet with someone else's money.

Also, come on MJD! I'm not asking for much, just 50 combined pass/rush yds.

F13.net, crushing your hopeless fantasy dreams  :oh_i_see:

Last week for me:

Yeah, but it was funny when it happened to you!

Jax is trying real hard for you through the 1st half.

Yeah but now I need Tennessee to hold onto the shutout, somehow pull off a pick 6, and have Nate Washington come up with a 40 yard TD grab. Let's do it!

Almost had the pick 6 there.  I hope the 3rd stringers get in on D at some point and they give up a garbage TD.

Heh, I almost got excited there for a second. I wouldn't mind seeing a good 'ole fashioned sack/fumble/rumble at this point. Still a long, impossible chance!

Guess when playing the worst defense of the league playing Bowe would have been a wise choice.  Instead I play MJD and add another loss to my record :p

Been handcuffing myself to the pinball for far too long. 

Enjoy the free win Haemish.  My best players are on bye this week.  

Hell, you would have won anyway. 

My #1 WR and #1 RB are on a bye this week. The only good news is that my opponents entire team is also on a bye. SECOND STRING BATTLE!

Wow, holy shit that is a sad lineup. No offense, but when it projects your defense as your best points scorer, you are well and truly fucked.

And now that I've said that, I'm prepared for Brees to break his ankle on the first play.  :grin:

Best QB (Manning) and WR (Garcon) on BYE.  #1 RB went out for the season in week 2.  #2 WR (Steve Smith) just returning from injury. My backup QB also went down... which explains the Max Hall deal.  Ugh.  I bet he gives me negative points. 

The only quality I have is at DEF and I grabbed that off the waiver wire.  

My draft was weak and injuries and underperformance did the rest (Sims-Walker, Crabtree, etc)

Enjoy the win.  I don't think I'll see another this season.  

This exchange between you two has now become hilarious.

I have a WR on my bench with 36 points this week. :uhrr:

Goddamn did Brees lay a fucking egg. Yet he STILL managed to give me like 18 points. That was a horrible horrible game. The Chargers are looking just as bad if not worse.

Manning and Collie on a bye this week, Collie's out for a few weeks possibly, that is going to hurt. Cassel did good today covering for Manning's bye week for me though, and hopefully Roy Williams continues to do well as he did the last few weeks. If I can pull this week off I'll be happy. I have Williams left and a 20 point lead vs Austin and Witten, hopefully that lead can hold.

Also, damn you Cyrrex (Team Whippy) and that lucky horse-shoe that is obviously embedded in one of your orifices. There's no other way to explain 39 points from Roddy White, 20 from TO, and 20 from Harvin all in the same week :why_so_serious:

Hey, did anyone from the Pick 'Em league hit the Raiders as being the high scoring team this week? haha. I picked the Pats.

In other news, Miami inquired about holdout Logan Mankins from the Pats, but that's never gonna happen. Would be nice though. It'd be fuckin awesome.

Oh lord.  My fate is being controlled by the arm of Tony Romo tonight.  Need both Witten and Miles Austin to have a solid game.

Which entirely neglects to mention that I have Darren McFadden sitting on my bench with 45 points.  Was between him and Percy Harvin this week, and Darren was listed as questionable.   :oh_i_see:

Honestly, if this team of mine hits on all cylinders in any given week, 200 points is not out of the question.

Oakland will never again post 50+ points.

McFadden was listed as 70/30 play not play and even if he did play he would be limited.  So I gambled on a rookie wide-out that seemed to be breaking out.  If I had played McFadden I would probably have won this week.

I dropped Kerry Collins to play Max Hall (as Peyton was on bye).  I am the new definition of stupid. 

I was feeling shitty when Carson Palmer only had 86 yards in the first half of his game. Then,  :drill:!

In the JV league, even if I had played Cadillac Williams and Matt Ryan over Brees and someone else on my team, I still would have lost by like 20 points. That team is starting to suck while my regular team is on a streak. Thanks, Brees. And of course, next week is a dilemma - do I start Brees against Pittsburgh's tough D or do I go with Hasselbeck against Oakland? I have no choice in the JV league, as Matt Ryan is on a bye.

Brees v. Pitt just sounds like an epic disaster in the making. The NFC needs to reroll their class in pvp.

I'm playing Fitzpatrick at KC next week.

Fuck Favre, fuck Favre in his autodrafting asshole.

You mean you don't like Favre's new incarnation as the cockteasing INT machine?

Ya.

Last night he definitely pulled a Favre.

He's probably too caught up with his new ad campaign for Wrangler's Open Fly Jeans (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2010/10/its_brett_favre_for_wrangler_o.html)  :why_so_serious:

This just in, Favre has two fractures in his ankle. The streak is dead.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5726694 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5726694)

Beating the Roosters this week will move me into second place.

However, I made like 5 moves this week already.

Player shufffffffffle!

I continue to be amazed at how my 3rd round drafting of an injured WR (that Viking guy) has totally fucked my team.  With a 14 team league, there is just no way to fill a hole like that.

Rice was a commissioner killer this year.

Most of my team is either on a bye or injured and I need a fill in WR.

I'm willing to trade any or all of Devin Hester, Derrick Mason or Joesph Addai, heck I would even entertain a reasonable Austin Collie offer.

If wishes were horses...

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

:oh_i_see:

FIFM

FIFM?

My opponent put up 127 points. My team is not capable of such feats.

I feel the same way when my opponent put up 60.

Fucking Saints. I bench both Colston and Moore because they are going up against the Steelers and both manage their best points of the season. Meanwhile, the Fucking Seahawks shit the bed against the Raiders, giving me negative points from the D and Mike Williams returns to his Detroit form. Fuck, even Marion Barber gave me more points than Forsett and the Seattle D combined. I blame Wayabvpar.

If it is my fault, it must be due to my injury fairy Halloween costume. I think they have about 5 starters left.  :heartbreak:

Fixed It For Me.  I think FIFY, which used to be all the rage on f13, stands for Fixed It For You.  But what do I know, my FF team might not break 50 this week.

or first place.

The Bye Week Scrubs put on a clinic.  I was expected much much worse.

My team of overachievers comes through again.  Even with half my players on BYE or injured, I still managed to ring up 100 points. 

I'll probably win all my regular season games and then get stomped in the playoffs.

So, Randy Moss just got kicked off the Vikings. I'll use that to segway into Week 8's Draft Busts and Steals:

Biggest First Round Fantasy Busts
1 - Shonn Greene - 40th ranked in RBs, 159th in overall fantasy points.
2 - Ryan Matthews - 31st ranked in RBs, 122nd in overall fantasy points.
3 - Randy Moss - 27th ranked in WRs, 86th in overall fantasy points, currently NOT on anybody's roster. Expect him to move up to biggest bust soon!

Biggest Draft/Waiver Steals
1 - Brandon Lloyd - Undrafted WR wire pickup, #1 WR, #11 in yahoo rankings
2 - Darren McFadden - 13th Round, #3 WR, #6 in yahoo rankings
3 - Kyle Orton - 11th Round, #3 QB, #3 in overall fantasy points

Can I pretend it was genius?

\

Only if we can pretend my picking Shonn Greene in the JV league has put me in first place.

At least in the pick'em league I'm still holding my own....

Yes, yes he is.  :drill:

Have used McFadden a couple of times to good effect.  Have Orton sitting safely on my bench, waiting for Rivers to go on his bye week.

Another bust?  I have Ray Rice, and while he doesn't qualify as a major bust, he has been disappointing.  So has Pierre Thomas.

T.O. has been a bit of a steal.  He has given me good points every week I've played him.  And aside from a bad week last week, Zach Miller has been solid as well.

Damnnit Nebu!

Don't hate me.  Hate Peyton and the GB defense. 

Prediction:  I'm going to lose this week. 

I'm screwed

Murdoc forgot to switch his team around?

Heh. the live gametracker stats just said that Janikowski kicked a 96 yard field goal.  I think he should get 20 points for that one.  :grin:

Dude has twins.  Consider him MIA.

I'll send those twins a thank you letter.  :awesome_for_real:

I need Benson to have a decent game against Pit on Monday night.  Fack.

Holding my breath.  Austin/DAL screwed the pooch way worse than I thought they would.

Who the hell is Jacob Tamme and why is he screwing with my life?

Blame Peyton.  It's his fault.

He's Dallas Clark's replacement.  You know how Peyton loves to throw to a decent TE. 

If Tamme didn't have a bad case of the dropsies, he'd be fantasy gold. As it is, he's still going to be good points.

Next weekend is looking dire for me in the main F13 league. Brees and both my starting wideouts are on byes. Hasselbeck would be a decent backup QB option, but his vage is sprained. I have to scour the waiver wire which is full of guys who have been hurt and may or may not play. I'm fucked.

So I have an 8 point lead going into MNF.  I have the Steelers defense going against Mendenhall.  I still have a bad feeling.

You want Favre?

Gotta love a week where 4 team score 100+, all against each other.

Just a little reminder to everyone - Thursday night games start this week, so fix your fantasy and pickem picks early.

Thought I had a shot in my league this week, up against a good team ahead of me in the standings. Big game from Farve, a few other suprises, and I had 80 points with Miles Austin still to play.

Then I looked at his team. Arian Foster and whoever that RB in Cleveland is. 64 points he gets, from just two players...

Murdoc is my new hero.  He has 16 more total points than I do.  

Murdoc's Bandwagon 733 points:  6-3 record

Nebu's Neurotics 717 points:  3-6 record

Sorry guys, I'm trying to keep up with my team and at least make sure I have a roster full of starters, but had some issues this week and it got away from me. I cannot stand guys that don't manage their teams, especially in a head to head league where win/loss is more important than total points (as Nebu points out).

Hopefully this week is not the norm and I'll at least be able to make sure I have a roster of starters each week.  How I'm still in 2nd place confuses and frightens me.

Don't worry Murdoc. I forgive you.  :grin:

No matter how I did it, I was still going to lose last week, so there's that at least. If I *could* have won if I'd set my team, i'd kinda feel bad.

Very true. It wasn't going to happen in any form that week, so nobody can fault you for taking a bye.

Aaaaaand I lost by .6 points.  That's less than one point.  LESS THAN ONE.

Fucking Mendenhall.  And all the weeks to have TO on the bench, plus an unexpected Zach Miller no-show.

Unexpected?  He was doubtful since Friday.  It was pretty obvious he wasn't playing this week if you followed pregame weekly practice notes.

Yeah, I didn't mean it that way, bad choice of words.  I made a choice not to go out and pick up a second TE...a combination of hoping he'd play anyway, or that it ultimately wouldn't matter.  Wrong!

Once it got to goal line I felt good, before that point they were too far behind to consider running the ball much.  That TD won this game for me but TO not catching that 3rd TD in the end zone cost me on my money league.  Can't have it all.

Trade deadline in 4 hours.

I'd love to trade out Favre.

Oddly enough, in the family league I'm in, my wife had pretty much the same sentiment, though she finally did get rid of him.   The only thing that annoys her more is that I started Michael "Dog Fight" Vick against her this week.

Glad I didn't make that trade for Favre. Hasselback had a helluva game.  :drill:

So did my team....  :drill: :drill: :drill:


JV losses don't count, especially when you're in last.

Jesus christ Dwayne Bowe.     :ye_gods:

Ya, Winslow too.

Maybe we just needed to threaten them or something.

Who knew that Kitna would be a better play than Manning this week. I would have still lost, but at least I would have been competitive. 

Have I mentioned that I hate my team?

Yeah, Manning having less than 10 points killed me this week. I still have a chance, but my hopes lie with Santana Moss tonight against Philly  :oh_i_see:

Fantasy Football Happiness:  When Kyle Orton is your backup QB, and he throws for 4 TDs during your main QB's (Rivers) bye week.

My team shit the bed in a bunch of unfavorable matchups. I feel much better next week when my QB faces Buffalo, my RB faces Dallas, and my D places Washington.

Yeah, I figured this was a lost week anyway. Both my starting wideouts and QB on byes, and jack and shit out there on the waiver wire. But at least I didn't start Favre or Young. And it STILL wasn't my lowest point total of the year. Even my highest point total of the year wouldn't have beaten you this week.

I feel like I cheated last night.

I'm guessing you have Michael Vick.  His performance was insane. 

I have to confess, the guy is really looking good. The last two games he's really shown some passing skills as well as his normal running game.

Ya, nearly 60 points in our league.  Madness.

He's playing great.  But there's no way he can keep up the intensity without injury, esp. through the playoffs.

Since my fantasy season is done, I'm thinking about taking some crazy risks.  Someone talk me out of starting Kitna (playing Detroit in Dallas) over Manning (playing @NE). 

That doesn't actually sound crazy to me.  Do it.  I'll send you 20 internet dollars if the experiment fails.

Playing FF is as bad as being a gambler watching the lines. Fitzgerald scores a TD on the last play in a 31-3 blowout. Ugh.

I had absolutely no chance this week. The matchups were too easy for Haem.

You left Spiller in when he was listed as out and Randy Moss apparently watched his game from a lawn chair. But yeah, that was a lot of bad matchups. Highest score for my team all damn year by a LARGE margin.

I watched some of the game and he is constantly double teamed, but he's been ineffective for a LONG time now.

He's worthless. I might have gained 10 more points by playing another util slot, but whatever. It wasn't going to do me a damn bit of good. My RBs are coming up lame down the stretch, my #1 pick is a total fuckup, and my QB is on a worse team than the Bills.

Guess who's on my bench?  Dion Branch. 

I can't help myself for my life this year.

On 3 catches too.

And Austin ran for a TD.  Stars against you man :(

And the fantasy "pros" said Brady would become mediocre without Moss. Fuck those guys! CHA_CHING!

WTF Peyton Manning. W.T.F.

Also: EXTREME KICKER BATTLE, GO!

The playoff race is going to be really tight. Looks like 5 or 6 teams will be 5-7 and two of those could make the playoffs.  I won't be one of them, though.  Points are too low.

I'm in a race to not come in dead last it seems. My bunch of injured suckasses are producing the lowest points in the league.

Have no fear.  While I'll probably be in the middle of the pack for points, I'm sure to finish dead last in the standings. 

ZOMG. Two fucking points. Less than two points. 4 guys on my bench that would have scored enough points had I used them instead of Mike Thomas. Fuckers. Looks like I'll be one of that 5-7 teams but I'm sure I'll be lower than playoff pace just on my shitty points totals. Thanks to Peyton's colossal fuckups, I seem to have an outside chance to win in the JV league but only if Fitzgerald has a monster game.

Damn right, wth was that. Also, wtf Stevie Johnson. Yes, my WR core is that bad I have to rely on him while Collie is injured, but dropping two TD passes when the only catches he ever makes are in the end-zone just isn't cool. Especially when having the Bills beat the Steelers soundly, if he had made those catches, would have been entertaining to pretty much everyone.


Yes yes, but we're not hoping for that to happen. :grin:

It's God's fault.   But don't worry, he apologized.  (http://www.sportspickle.com/opinion/4206/god-responds-to-steviejohnson13-via-twitter)

 :awesome_for_real:

Congrats to the those who clinched.  Bloodsuckers, Guybrush and Wiseau will more than llikely make it this week, because those below don't have enough points. Kilt Waivers has a shot if his team does 150pts and Guybrush loses with a low point total.

Nebu, if there was ever a week to inflict a beatdown on someone, it is this week.  :why_so_serious:

Why not.  Everyone else has.  I'm 5th in the league in points against. 

And that's why I'm first overall, but with only enough points to put me in 8th.

It'll catch up to me in the first round of the playoffs.

Backing into the playoffs, go baby!

Already have lost Romo and McCoy, now Shaun goddamned Hill is dead. WTF.

WTB a WR on in JV league :oh_i_see: I'm pretty screwed if I actually make the playoffs with my WR core, and was just thinking that's pretty messed up if I do stay in 2, 3, or 4th place with pretty much no good WR and Manning having a number of bad games this season

I just noticed how close the Varsity league is with teams at 5-7. We're like the NFC West.

Who do you have for potential trade, say, as a RB?  Wide Receivers I would consider trading:

Mike Williams (SEA)
Jonny Knox
Percy Harvin
T.O.

...but to be honest, I'd probably only trade T.O. or Percy for an upper eschelon RB.  I also have Roddy White, but there's pretty much nobody in the league I'd trade him for  :awesome_for_real:

I thought the trade deadline had passed.

An MJD for TO wouldn't have been a bad trade, but I just saw the trade deadline was 11/12 (as Nebu mentions). Admittedly, I was hoping to make a cheap deal with one of the last 4 placed teams with no playoff hopes, but oh well.

Heh, I suppose that's why there is a trade deadline in the first place.  Makes sense.

I dropped from 4-1 in JV to 5-7.  :uhrr:

Screwed the pooch in the JV league, but I think I squeaked into the playoffs in the regular league, thanks to Nebu (or Kyle Orton if you prefer).

An incomplete list of QBs I have used this season-
Tony Romo (mostly dead)
Shaun Hill (dead)
Colt McCoy (mostly dead)
Brett Favre (hopefully dead)

If you have a QB you want to see injured, make sure he is available on waivers and I will pick him up this week.

Somebody trade Cutler to Way, stat!  :drill:

Peyton Manning is my QB.  You aren't playing me this week.

You beat the guy who could have blocked me from making the playoffs, thanks to his QB (Kyle Orton) shitting the bed with negative points.

I've still got Shonn Greene playing tonight, Haem. He could put up 60 points.  :uhrr:

Fuck you Haemish! You kept me out of the playoffs by less than a point. Quit your whining.

I am rooting for Kilt Wavers!

Eek. Nearly every opponent for El Gallo's players this week is in complete disarray. I'm doooooomed

My team really had an off week, hope that doesn't continue in the playoffs. 

My mediocre point output completely squashed you. 

I am intrigued that this year followed draft position in determining the playoffs 7/8 of the top draft positions made the playoffs, and #1 was still on top at regular season close. Doesn't really inspire me if I draw another low pick next year. :ye_gods:

No excuse, I autodrafted MJD with the 3rd overall and he has been horrible this year except for the past few weeks when he remember how to run.  It drafted me a TE who I don't even start before it grabbed a QB.  You can overcome a bad draft especially in a league with as small a roster as ours.

So you're saying I overperformed my draft position?  :awesome_for_real:

I wish that I could use draft position as an excuse.  I just did a terrible job at the draft. 

2.    (17)    Ryan Grant    RB  - Out week 2
3.    (40)    Steve Smith    WR   :uhrr:
4.    (45)    Michael Crabtree    WR    :uhrr:
5.    (68)    Justin Forsett    RB    :uhrr:
6.    (73)    Mike Sims-Walker    WR    :uhrr:
7.    (96)    Philadelphia    DEF   - Meh
8.    (101)    Zach Miller    TE
9.    (124)    Chad Henne    QB   
10.    (129)    Mohamed Massaquoi    WR    :uhrr:
11.    (152)    Nate Burleson    WR    :ye_gods:
12.    (157)    New York    DEF
13.    (180)    Mark Sanchez    QB
14.    (185)    David Akers    K

Zach Miller and the NY Giants D were the only good picks that I made.  That and taking Peyton Manning with the 12 pick.

Hey Akers has been fantastic the last 5 or 6 weeks!  :awesome_for_real:

Just pointing out the numbers. They don't lie, even if the picks didn't pan out. Nobody had a worse first rounder than me, I assure you.

Fuck you Randy Moss.

Aaron Rodgers's eggshell skull may have saved the game for you.

River shitting the bed in the second half and KC being unable to do anything (including my RB on there getting all of 1 yard so far) will save you.

Its pretty hilarious all around at this point.

Dear Kansas City Chiefs: Fuck You. Signed, me.

An unexpected great game from Jason Campbell (moreso Mcfadden though) may have just ended my playoffs early unless Arian and Ray Rice both have bad games tomorrow   :argh:

I knew I should have benched Bowe, 1 catch for 3 yards.

First time since week 3 that Jamaal Charles has had a shitty day, luckily Vernon Davis stepped up big time yesterday.

I must say though, it's weird to be leading by 55 or so points and still be worried because your opponent has Vick going against the Cowboys

Andre Johson v. Adrian Peterson (+.01 points) to determine who goes on.  

I don't like my chances.

I really should have taken into account that Cutler might be playing in a blizzard, but I really didn't think Oakland's passing D was going to give up major points to David Garrad.  Fucking Cutler.

AND THANKS FOR NOT PLAYING, GATES.

 :tantrum:

It's down to Brandon Jacobs vs. Mario Manningham and Lawrence Tynes for me. Jacobs has to have a MONSTER goddamn night while Tynes breaks his leg or some shit. I'm not that worried about Manningham but I'm already 8 points down and any TD's Jacobs scores will mean Tynes gets points. And I still have to hope the Vikings somehow win to give the Packers a better chance at the playoffs. Fuck.

I meant to have Malcolm Floyd replacing Harvin, but as always - time got away from me. Our respective defenses made all the difference.

I clapped when I saw Gates on the sidelines :-D

Fucking Oakland Raiders. How do you give up negative points to the fucking Jags? Of course, it's not like there were better options based on matchups (and even KC would have given me positive points) but damn. This game could very well be decided by kickers and defense.

God dammit.

Holy Shit, Brandon Jacobs.  :drill:

Muahahaha.

Bah. Fantasy Football, Bah!

No.1 and No.2 eliminated.

Go Haem!

Go Kilts! 

Sonova...

The kid stays in the game!  :why_so_serious: Totally did not see that coming.

I'm not excited about my matchups this week.  But God apparently wants me to win, so it will be done.

Which one of you is "What Would Palin Do" in the JV league?  Cuz you're going MOTHERFUCKING DOWN this week.*






*Unless you win, in which case I will go back in time to edit this post, claiming how I knew all along how I was going to be having an off week at the most inopportune of moments.

It was a good run.  Sadly, your progress would require at least two actual miracles.

That would be me. TBH, I'm just surprise I've made it this far with my WR core.

I do think the winner of Team Whippy vs White Trash Zombies will be the one to take it all though. I don't think my team or Canton Redbirds can beat either of you next week.

I haven't figured out how the hell I've managed to get this far.   But yah, I'd go with Whippy or WTZ to take the ring as it were.

Wait, whooops.  I'm playing White Trash Zombies (I am Team Whippy).  I hereby retract my inappropriate trash talk towards you and fling it instead over to the Zombie camp.

So, who are the White Trash Zombies?  YOU ARE GOING DOWN, BIATCH!

I was wondering why I was being trash talked by you, but just figured you had the same amount of faith in my team this week that I do.

Lol, yeah, just trying to cover all bases.  Getting into your head for a potential next weekend matchup.  I'm like the Rex Ryan of JV Fantasy Football.  Next, I'll be having Heamish trip you or something.

I'm alright with that as long as you don't have your old ass star QB sending me unwanted pics

Lordy. I forgot to switch out Rodgers for Fitzpatrick this morning. Shit!

Holy shit. How the hell is this abysmal team of mine in the goddamn finals?

Gee, thanks Patriot offense.  And thank you, media, for making me believe that David Garrard wouldn't even start.

Fuck.  I need 20 points from Cutler playing on a giant hockey rink.

I'm going to have to root against you, Rasix, because I think I have a better chance against Roosters than your lineup.

God, my team is crappier than the NFC West. I'm embarrassed to be in the final. Did I mention I'm in the final?  :why_so_serious:

Who's on your team?

Brees, Greg Jennings, Colston, Ronnie Brown, Brandon Jacobs and Chad Cooley, with some other ancillary bits to switch out based on matchups. No one but Brees has consistently given me the points you would have expected.

I submit that there are teams that are bad, and teams that simply underperform.  I think yours is the latter.

It's like Ray Rice (who I have in the JV league)...he's underperformed all year.  That doesn't make him bad.

Or some other analogy.

I'm as amazed as you.  The only running back that showed up on my team was sitting on my bench.   :heartbreak:

But congrats on the win Haem and good luck.

Just looked at my bench scores from yesterday. Both Aaron Hernandez and Chad Cooley (my two TE's) put together more points than any other player on my team but Brees. That's why I keep saying my team sucks.

One miracle down, one to go!

Fucking Cutler.  Really, I don't deserve to win, but I certainly don't deserve to lose to Cutler.

I was about to say that you're still well within Culter's ability to generate negative points in a hurry.

HASSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN CHOP.

Looks like 7v8 for the final which shows to me that this was  pretty tight league. I wonder if we can jigger the scoring or lineup next year to spread it out a bit.

We could try to adjust QB scoring, as they tend to occupy all of the top spots.  Funny enough, only maybe 2 or 3 go in the first round every year.

This was a pretty subpar year for super star offensive talent.  100 used to be an average score for a winner.  This year, it's been a high.

This was a deep year for points in the NFL, and the stats bear that out. In 2009 removing the one outlier, the average projected rank of the top 25 point producers in our league was 65 when we started the season. That means in a 14 man league, you were getting to a lot of the heavy hitters in the 5th round.

In 2010, the average projected rank of the top 25 point producers was 96. That means you were seeing top 25s in the 7th round and later, many of which were undrafted.

I wonder who mentioned this two years ago?  :grin:

Seriously, I'd drop thrown TD's to 4 points.  It gives more value to position players. 

Ok, I will try and remember.  We could also try Performance Scoring. If a player has an outstanding game, he gets extra points. I generally don't like that as much because dominant players become even more dominant, but it could make sense for QBs if we tweak the TDs down to 4.

I don't mind the randomness that the current scoring gives, I look at this league more as something to bullshit about rather than the ultimate commentary on my football acumen and penis size (that's what GearScore is for, amirite?).  I'm cool with going to 4-points for thrown TDs, I think that's pretty standard.  I'm leery of going to anything more unusual/complicated.  We always have a few players who can't make the draft.  And the more unusual your scoring system is, the more it hurts people who miss the draft (or people who don't spend tons of time on it).

No matter what system we use, I will vociferously talk shit about how my shitty team will beat everyone else next season as I have in the past!

But for now, you get to wallow in the knowledge that Jay Cutler sent you packing.

We've been doing this a while.

Should we start a keeper league? Or does everyone already have one keeper league and F13 is the no pressure league?

Also, no.1 v no.2 for the consolation bowl.

I joined my first keeper league this year- took over a team that was winless the previous year. Made the playoffs as the number 4 seed and lost in the first round

I would welcome a keeper league if someone wants to organize it.

Keeper leagues suffer if not handled in a salary cap/auction format.  I'd keep that in mind. 

I know you only try to hurt me because you love me.

 :sad_panda:

I don't think dropping points is the answer. If anything points should be strategically increased to spread out the weekly results a bit.

Perhaps increasing points per yd for receivers and RB?  I'd be for that.  It would reduce the impact of K and DEF. 

What about PPR?

It would increase the value of WRs and RBs.  However, it does make a few players extremely valuable.

There you go, I've edited your time stamp so this is now valid for the championship game.

Looking at the matchups, I do believe I'm fucked more than I normally would have been. At least I have Collie back...oh wait, nevermind :oh_i_see:

I have never played in or managed a keeper league. Worth looking into. Not sure I would want 14 teams, though. More likely that someone drops out year to year.

MJD and Austin Collie are out so I'm resorting to placing joe Webb in a flex spot...yeah here's an early congrats to Cyrrex in the JV league :oh_i_see:

Gah, Cutler tear up the Jets.  I did not see this coming.  I hope I don't need the 20 points he has over Garrard at this point.  :awesome_for_real:

.....and then absolutely everyone on your team decides to play out of their minds this week, and everyone on my team takes the week off.  Unbelievable.  Great that I'm going to have my worst game of the year in the damned Final.

Though I suppose it's still possible that Percy Harvin and Roddy White will put up 60 points or so. :oh_i_see:

Holy shit, Josh Freeman rained 42.15 points of hellfire on me in the third-place game.  And Chargers D putting up negative 1 agianst the Bengals?  I'm gonna get rolled by the Drunks, whose 2 running backs totalled 4.3 points.  Unless LeSean uses that extra day of rest to bust out a 300 yard game.

Welp, it's all down to Drew Brees for me. And Colston but really, it's all about Brees. I need 30 points combined from the two of them against Atlanta or I'm hosed in the final. Needless to say, with the Saints on the road, I'm going to be living and dying in front of the TV tonight.

Thank you Freeman, never got a chance to change my lineup and replace MJD. 

Well shit. 11 points. Had I gone with KC's defense over Jacksonville's and Mike Thomas over Brandon Jacobs, I'd have won. Fucking Giants.

I honestly thought White would have a chance to put up 25-30 because that is normally how shitty my luck is. For him to only put up 12 though makes me happy. It's one of those times that I look at your bench and am happy that the match ups didn't pan out as they normally do. Especially since you had a shitload of great match ups (players on teams fighting for playoff spots playing against teams with weak defenses in the areas you needed them to be weak).

Congrats to Rasix on the Super Bowl victory!  Don't go first to last like I did next season! 

Yeah, I can't complain about the matchups, because they were good ones (on paper).  Oh well, that's how it goes.  Congrats on your victory.

Gotta watch those settings next time, picks all the way to the Superbowl make for a long season.

Some endured all the way to the bitter end though and we FINALLY HAVE A WINNER

With 167 points, Team Whippy wins!

1    Team Whippy    167    167-100
2    Kilt Wavers    161    161-106
3    Nebu's Neurotics    159    159-108
4    jwiv's Ratbirds    156    156-111
5    Graviton Otters    156    156-111
6    Endzone Lurkers    140    140-127
7    traceracer    135    135-132
8    Hat's Fail Picks    107    107-160
9    Jimmy The Greek Lives    75    75-192
10    Abagadro    52    52-215
11    Jenna's Hail Mary    52    52-215
12    What? Huh? Who me?    51    51-216
13    DrunksOnTurf    17    17-250
14    Rub and a Tug    7    7-260

I'd like to, first and foremost, thank myself for making so many correct picks.  Secondly, I'd like to send an extra thanks to both Haemish and Nebu, for being slightly less competitive than they were last year.

You had a great year during a period where the NFL was all over the place.  I bow to your superior ability to adjust.  

Congrats!