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Title: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 01, 2009, 05:33:17 PM
The game finally went free to play for those in the f2p open beta and/or were subscribers at any point.  It goes live to the unwashed heathen masses next week.

I'd say "WHO'S WITH ME", but I'm going to be out of town until Saturday.

edit:  link to the patch notes:  http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Release_Notes_DDO_Unlimited_Official (http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Release_Notes_DDO_Unlimited_Official)

They also added a new clean server for this, Cannith.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 01, 2009, 08:20:49 PM
My problem is that I reinstalled Guild Wars.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 01, 2009, 08:38:08 PM
And?


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 01, 2009, 08:42:59 PM
Yes.

Edit: I guess next week. :heartbreak:
Edit2: can I start download this now before?


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 01, 2009, 09:51:46 PM
Yeah, your account just won't be active.

http://www.ddo.com/ddosupport/download-ddo (http://www.ddo.com/ddosupport/download-ddo)

Anyone interested in maybe getting a weekly group going?  I don't really see this game as an all night/every night game, but it's a lot of fun to play through it with a static group that hasn't done everything more than a few times before and don't burn through the dungeons at a break neck speed.

I can play nights PST.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Lantyssa on September 01, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
Current character is Sylphaela on Sarlona.  Mainly she's for a duo with the roomie.  Dunno that I'll be playing much, but you're welcome to friend me.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Cheddar on September 02, 2009, 07:17:22 AM
CoX.  Free is not enough incentive at this point.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 02, 2009, 08:33:11 AM
Suddenly my GW account is cocked up and I can't log in.  So... maybe!


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: NiX on September 02, 2009, 10:42:16 AM
I'd be up for it. I need something to do these days.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 02, 2009, 11:52:39 AM
Okay, I'm about to head out the door to the airport.  I'll check back on Saturday, and see how much interest there still is then.  If someone else can log in and wants to set up a bat country on Cannith (new server)  or Sarlona (now why would we want to exclude Lantyssa!?!) in the mean time, have at it.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Lantyssa on September 02, 2009, 12:37:52 PM
I made some throw-away characters on Cannith to reserve names once I get unlocks.  I could always make one there.  If I play.  Which is a big if with all the games I have available right now and in the near future.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Xilren's Twin on September 02, 2009, 08:42:35 PM
Im still playing on Argonnesen with my friends,  but if a BC starts on the new server I'll throw another character on there. 
Right now im enjoying trying the new high level content b/c so few know it.

Spend and hour last night trying to do one level 19 quest, and we stumbled through it and got all the way to the end before losing at the boss fight (wiped 3 times before the timer ran out).  It was mucho fun.  Some of the new quests have multiple potential endings (i think one has 6).


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 03, 2009, 08:41:16 AM
I'll be out of town for the weekend but I can go ahead and make a character on the new server.  I'm debating whether I should read the manual again or what-to-do since I don't understand this bastardized D&D-ish system at all.

Yeah, I'm old.  Suck it.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 04, 2009, 01:40:01 AM
I'll try it out, haven't played since beta, so I'm an unwashed heathen mass.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 04, 2009, 10:59:38 AM
Well, getting it d/l and patched up was pretty easy.  I am annoyed this won't open for labor day weekend.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 06, 2009, 11:39:32 PM
Well, I'm back and alive in front of the internet, currently mucking around on Cannith as Ardyn, if anyone is even still interested.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: NiX on September 07, 2009, 04:00:41 PM
It would seem Tazelbain can't login. Is it not actually live? Or did it open today?


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 07, 2009, 04:10:39 PM
The best I can tell is the head-start started on the 1st for existing accounts and everyone else get access on the 9th.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: NiX on September 08, 2009, 04:25:06 AM
Well bitch.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 08, 2009, 12:46:52 PM
It'll be live tomorrow for the unwashed masses.  I'm having a lot of fun this time around again.  Between the henchman and the dungeon scaling, you don't really need a full party anymore, except on Elite difficulty, which supposedly doesn't scale (but I've seen bug reports that claim otherwise).  Rolling as a rogue/ranger right now, because nothing is more fun than gimping yourself out the gate when you want other people to play with you  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Cheddar on September 08, 2009, 06:14:21 PM
One of my RL buddies wants to play this.  I tried to find my old account (its not tied to my main Turbine account) and its nowhere to be found.  So I will have to wait until they reopen account creation (starts again tomorrow).  Did we decide what server to play?


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 08, 2009, 06:26:33 PM
Cannith is probably the best bet for a server, since it's brand new, and with no established economy.  It's also got a TON of players on it right now due to all this.  I'm not sure what condition the other servers are in.  Lantyssa has her old characters on Sarlona, and I think that's where my old one is as well, but I can't remember for sure.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 08, 2009, 06:28:34 PM
So good old fashion server crashes for tomorrow?


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 08, 2009, 07:33:29 PM
Doubt it honestly.  This game has the instanced city zones to limit population from causing those issues.  Which still makes me wonder why they bothered at all to have more than one game server.  It's also been around for, what, 3 or 4 years now?  I mean, there might be a zergrushkekekekekeekeke on their servers tomorrow, but I'd be surprised, given how niche of a game this is.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Lantyssa on September 08, 2009, 08:32:36 PM
Keeping mind 'old' means level 3 and going to be deleted for the character she is supposed to be once I have the favor.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 08, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
Mine was only level 4, but on Ghallandra, not Sarlona where I thought.  Couldn't remember for sure where they got server merged to.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 08, 2009, 11:55:31 PM
I found a  price list (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=185996) from june. Couldn't find an undated list.

EDIT: This looks more recent price list (http://ddowiki.com/page/DDO_Store)


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Cheddar on September 09, 2009, 08:04:59 AM
OK, got my dude made (I finally remembered my account info).  He is on the new server, named Cheddar, went with Wizard for me class.

Now, this free to play.  That does not mean the entire game, correct?  Looks like its all about the micro transaction.  Or am I misreading?  What has changed since 9/1?


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Cheddar on September 09, 2009, 09:02:02 AM
ok. sorry about the back to back posting, but wanted to note a couple things.

1. Hard mode is HARD.  HARD.  HARD.  Its much more dificult then normal.  Its HARD.

2. You need to double click shit a lot, not just single click.  Example= Spending AP.  When talking to the NPC dude you need to double click the ability you want, then ok.

3.  Ultra High Ress Super Duper HD mode sucks.  Just do High, you are not missing anything.

4.  Turn off General Conversation before finishing first noob part.  It sucks.  Imagine every MMO you have ever played at launch.  Multiply that by a factor of 5.  Yeah.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 09, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
1. Hard mode is HARD.  HARD.  HARD.  Its much more dificult then normal.  Its HARD.

To address this, Hard mode is basically supposed to be level +1 and Elite is level +2.  Elite is also not supposed to scale to group size (although it currently does in a really wrong way where you start taking more damage than you're supposed to).  You gain 25% xp bonus for completing a quest on every difficulty level the first time you do it.  You also gain an increasing number of favor points for the highest difficulty you've beaten it at.  I believe you also get better/higher level loots on the upper difficulty levels potentially, but it's been a while since I've read up on how all this works.

edit:

The game is now microtransaction based, but there's also still a subscription option that unlocks everything and gives you a point stipend per month.  Someone did the math during the closed beta and it's more reasonable to pay the subscription than to unlock as you go if you're playing more than like a day a week.  You need to pay to uncap your level every 4 levels without a subscription, but you can potentially find the level unlock tokens as quest rewards.  I ended up finding my 5-8 one by level 3.  There are also a bunch of microtransaction related quest packs you don't have access to without paying unless you're a subscriber.  They more or less lifted the subscription model from Wizard 101 if you ever looked at that.

Also, all the races and classes aside from the Warforged unlock in game via favor points, if you don't want to spend the money.  You'll need to play a  potentially throwaway character first anyhow to get enough favor for a 32 point build character (either 400 for a drow, or I think 1500 for any other race).


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Xilren's Twin on September 09, 2009, 07:17:00 PM
To address this, Hard mode is basically supposed to be level +1 and Elite is level +2.  Elite is also not supposed to scale to group size (although it currently does in a really wrong way where you start taking more damage than you're supposed to).  You gain 25% xp bonus for completing a quest on every difficulty level the first time you do it.  You also gain an increasing number of favor points for the highest difficulty you've beaten it at.  I believe you also get better/higher level loots on the upper difficulty levels potentially, but it's been a while since I've read up on how all this works.

Yep; each quest completed grants a certain amount of favor points with greater rewards for Hard and Elite.  I.e.  a low level quest might give 1 favor for solo, 2 for normal, 4 for hard and 6 for elite.  You can get favor points even if you are too high a level to gain XP from a quest, which is why you'll see some groups form for "favor runs".

Quote
The game is now microtransaction based, but there's also still a subscription option that unlocks everything and gives you a point stipend per month.  Someone did the math during the closed beta and it's more reasonable to pay the subscription than to unlock as you go if you're playing more than like a day a week.  You need to pay to uncap your level every 4 levels without a subscription, but you can potentially find the level unlock tokens as quest rewards.  I ended up finding my 5-8 one by level 3.  There are also a bunch of microtransaction related quest packs you don't have access to without paying unless you're a subscriber.  They more or less lifted the subscription model from Wizard 101 if you ever looked at that.

Also, all the races and classes aside from the Warforged unlock in game via favor points, if you don't want to spend the money.  You'll need to play a  potentially throwaway character first anyhow to get enough favor for a 32 point build character (either 400 for a drow, or I think 1500 for any other race).

400 Drow race
1750 for 32 point characters (and you get a +2 stat tome of your choice)
2500 for Favored Soul

Also, they added some neat low level quests with this version.  Make sure you visit the Cerulean hills in the harbor (outdoor explorer area that now has 2 quests in it), and when you make it to the marketplace, do the Sharn syndicate series for some nice potential low level loot (elemental weapons).  I have no idea if those things are free straight out or not, but i enjoyed them when i started my Favored Soul a few days ago.

Also, with the new dungeon scaling, soloing seems easier than before, plus with addition of two new XP bonuses (10% Flawless Victory bonus if no one dies during the quest, plus another 10% if no one has to re-enter) and being able to buy bonus XP potions from the DDO store, leveling also seems faster.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 09, 2009, 07:36:04 PM
Yeah, I ducked into the Cerulean Hills last night.  That area is neat, although I find the large proliferation of bugbear bards greatly worrisome.  The great hippie drum circle of annihilation can only be days away.

Pretty much everything I've run into so far is soloable for a melee character with a cleric henchman, far as I've seen up through level 3 so far.  I haven't mucked around as a caster at all this time around yet.

edit:  note, when I say soloable, I don't necessarily mean easily, some of them are still pretty rough.  The Butcher's Path is still one long tunnel of never-ending rape.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 09, 2009, 07:43:15 PM
Well, I am going to hold off joining.  I am not making a second turbine account.  


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 09, 2009, 08:03:17 PM
Eh, so how long might it take one to get 1750 points?


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 09, 2009, 08:22:43 PM
I'm at something like 250-300 at around level 3 having done almost all the level 1-2 quests on normal, no hard or elite.  Would probably be around 600 if  I had done them on elite and had to guess.  So I'd guess not too terribly long if you had other people to play with, at least a group of 3 and henchmen to handle elites.

edit: Okay, I was smoking some pretty serious crack here.  I only have 84 favor at this point.  My other rogue I rerolled this one from might have had more.  I'm pretty confused now.  My old level 4, nearly 5 paladin is sitting just shy of 300.

edit: okay, I'm posting WAY too much.  I've been far too bored the last few days.  Xilren can probably answer this question better than I can.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 10, 2009, 01:14:21 AM
Ok, so need you have bought the box to get in on this?


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 10, 2009, 02:01:21 AM
No.  Just start here if you don't already have a DDO account:
https://trial.turbine.com/ddo.php

If you do already have one, just get the Turbine downloader and pull down DDO.  It's an incremental downloader, so you can start about 5 minutes after you begin. 

http://www.ddo.com/ddosupport/download-ddo


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Cheddar on September 10, 2009, 03:12:58 AM
fyi - Server crashed and has been unstable.  Web server also.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Cheddar on September 10, 2009, 09:18:22 AM
2 Questions.

1.  Does strength affect how much you can carry (ie. is there a weight limit?  And what are the repercussions of holding too much)?

2.  I do not remember hating the client this much.  Has anyone compared the super duper HD client verse the old client?  It just doesn't feel.... right.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 10, 2009, 11:26:20 AM
2 Questions.

1.  Does strength affect how much you can carry (ie. is there a weight limit?  And what are the repercussions of holding too much)?

2.  I do not remember hating the client this much.  Has anyone compared the super duper HD client verse the old client?  It just doesn't feel.... right.

1.  Far as I remember, yes.  There is an encumbrance stat right under your money in your inventory.  I believe your walking speed drops to a crawl if you hit heavy load, but I can't remember for sure.

2.  Far as I remember, the HD client only adds the Very High textures setting, same as lotro.  I haven't had any issues with the client itself.  It's always seemed extremely similar to lotro to me in looks.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Lantyssa on September 10, 2009, 12:24:49 PM
Well, I am going to hold off joining.  I am not making a second turbine account. 
Why make a second account?  Use your existing one.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 10, 2009, 12:30:33 PM
I would love to know how to do that.  If try to log into DDOU with the account I use for LotRO, it says I need a key.  If I follow the "play DDOU" from DDO.com, it tries to get me to make a new account.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 10, 2009, 12:39:09 PM
I somehow put my DDOU account into my generic Turbine account (myaccount.turbine.com), and since I never bought DDO I assume I must have obtained a key somewhere.  Probably in email but I can't get to my personal email right now.  DDO is not present in the online store (store.turbine.com) anymore.

EDIT: this doesn't mean my DDOU and LotRO game accounts are linked, just that they are both manageable from myaccount.turbine.com.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 10, 2009, 12:45:30 PM
Here's the info you need Taz, unfortunately you need to contact support for a key.  This seems like a pretty significant oversight.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=199261 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=199261)


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 10, 2009, 04:01:24 PM
A queue for Cannith, awesome. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 10, 2009, 04:51:18 PM
Seriously?  :ye_gods:

We can always pick another server.  I didn't expect there to be this much of a pick up in popularity even with the game going free.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 10, 2009, 05:13:30 PM
Eh, whatever, it's all new so I'm not surprised.  So far less than three minutes wait, most I have been was 72 in line.  This afternoon is full of interruptions and the DDO client times out like a motherfucker so I keep having to log in again.  I managed to get to the treasure chest at the end of the newbie dungeon, though.  Clangus Anvildodger, dwarf fighter.

Also, is there a wiki or something I can read to explain these stats, modifiers and such?  It's complicated!


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 10, 2009, 05:24:46 PM
Oh, hey, one thing I forgot from the closed beta.  If you've never given turbine money at any point for DDO, you only have like a 5 minute inactivity window before it logs you out.  If you have given them money, but aren't a subscriber, your account gets flagged as premium, and your window goes up to like 15 minutes.  If you are a subscriber, it goes up higher, or just flat out doesn't log you out, I can't remember.  Pretty sure you also bypass the login queue.  I can't find the info in a relatively quick manner though.

edit:  google appears to work better than their own forum search feature, go figure, looks like it's 10/20/60:
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2241564&postcount=14 (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2241564&postcount=14)

As far as explaining how everything works, just hit me up on AIM and I'll walk you through whatever you're missing.

Here are some links of dubious use though:

DDO Compendium, similar to lotro's Lorebook
http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Compendium_Home (http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Compendium_Home)

New player forum:
http://forums.ddo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=81 (http://forums.ddo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=81)

Character builds forum:
http://forums.ddo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=175 (http://forums.ddo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=175)

Dungeons and Dragons 3.0 basic rules set (note that DDO uses a heavily modified version of this though)
http://www.d20srd.org/  (http://www.d20srd.org/)

edit: more links, now that I'm out of the meeting from hell:

DDO wiki
http://ddowiki.com/ (http://ddowiki.com/)

Helpful Player Resources forum link
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=152234 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=152234)


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 11, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
 :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Cheddar on September 12, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
OK, just got to Stormreach and the Graphics are different.  I like them.  I cannot pinpoint what the difference is, but I just... like them better.

Its like the difference between NWN and NWN2 - the second one drove me up the wall.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 12, 2009, 10:49:48 PM
Korthos was put in relatively recently.  It replaced the old newbie area, which was in my opinion, horrifically worse.   I think Korthos was mostly put in to address the two complaints of no dragons in dnd and everything being dark and dank indoors, by forcing exposure to an outdoors open adventure area.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 15, 2009, 10:46:20 AM
They finally sent me a key late last night.  I only had enough time to run the tutorial.

EDIT:

My first evening playing was a very favorable experience tooling around with a pre-made barbarian.  I need to try out some other classes.  I can see myself spending money on this.

If the instances were randomized like Hellgate, it'd be the best game ever. 

I got some Turbine points for favor, any ideas on how often this happens?

What no thief henchman? WTF


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 16, 2009, 02:47:09 PM
Post your name so we can find you.  Assuming you want to be found. 

The lack of thief henchman is to keep the thief class from being trivialized out of the game.  They're extremely squishy, and their dps is kinda weak and dangerous to use, so if you no longer had to bring a player along to take care of traps, literally no one would play them anymore for the most part.  Except for me, but I'd like to think I've long since proven I was a tard.

You get turbine points at certain thresholds of overall favor.  I can't remember what they are.   I can try to dig up a post though.  I wouldn't count on being able to use those points for much though.

And yeah, I was bitching about the lack of randomized instances when it came out.  If they'd just overloaded the dungeons with traps and monsters and rolled to see which were active, that would have been awesome.  You do get rare spawn bosses from time to time, so I know they at least have some of the tech in place for that.

Also, one thing I don't think I ever explained.  As a f2p player, you only have two character accounts.  If you ever subscribe, then unsubscribe, you go up to 4 for free.  So if you EVER consider buying more character slots, just subscribe for a month and be done with it.  It'll also let you uncap any characters you make in that period in the 4 level increments for free, and give you access to all content for long enough to get through a large chunk of it, and you'll also get 500 points at the end of the month.  Subscribing for a month is really not that bad a deal in the scheme of things.

Another thing is, subscribers can buy guest passes for pay to play content (you won't really start seeing this until level 4) that last like an hour and a half or so, and cost less than buying the actual dungeon.  I'd have to check my account tonight.  I subscribed a few days ago, but screwed it up and added it to my defunct beta account and not my real one.  They fixed it today and moved over all my beta turbine points also, so I've got a bunch to play around with.

edit:  okay, bonus, I found a thread that not only listed the favor point gains, but also listed alot of other stuff applying to f2p players. 

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=198865 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=198865)


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Cheddar on September 16, 2009, 07:21:34 PM
I am tempted to reroll Cheddar as a dual wield fighter.  Currently I have a great axe dude, but from random noob chatter it seems 2 handed is more fun.  Any thoughts?

Also, should I pick up 1 level of Ranger to get the dual wield free?  Or is there some armor penalty in DDO?  I want 2 swords and plate mail, bitches!


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 16, 2009, 08:15:06 PM
After rewriting this post twice, I don't know how to answer your question.  There's too many weird things involved.  Here's the crib notes to work from though, to come to your own conclusion.

  • Two weapon fighting from ranger is not tied to your armor like it is in pen and paper as far as I remember.
  • Two weapon fighting for non-rangers takes a hideous amount of dex (15 to 17 for the higher ones).
  • Rangers can't wear heavy armor however and need dex to supplement the AC.
  • You don't get two weapon fighting until level 2 of ranger, so you can't just splash one level. 
  • Two weapon fighting without the rest of the higher level two weapon fighting feats kinda sucks.
  • Getting two weapon fighting either way pretty much guarentees platemail isn't your best armor option due to dex bonus caps on armor, unless you are primarily a fighter with a low dex.  However, this means you'll never have any of the two weapon fighting upgrade feats without adding alot more than 2 ranger levels..
  • Rangers can use healing wands however.  This is a pretty significant bonus.
  • Warriors have more health, and a lot more feats though.
  • You gain 1.5* your strength bonus to damage with a two hander.  This helps bypass damage reduction.
  • Rangers get a prestige class enhancement line starting at level 6 that affects two weapon fighting called Tempest


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 16, 2009, 10:43:29 PM
I think there is an enhancement warriors get that increases your str bonus to two handed weapons, as well but I could be off.

Would a dwarf ranger that goes for a str build and medium and heavy armour feats be feasible? You could also get oversized two weapon fighting in order to use 2x dwarven war axes.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Cheddar on September 16, 2009, 10:59:58 PM
I think there is an enhancement warriors get that increases your str bonus to two handed weapons, as well but I could be off.

Would a dwarf ranger that goes for a str build and medium and heavy armour feats be feasible? You could also get oversized two weapon fighting in order to use 2x dwarven war axes.

I went dwarf - didn't wanna do DRIZZT OMG!!!  Evidently there are some nice builds where you include a level of monk and get decent AC without needing armor.  I cannot understand 85% of what the forums are saying, they devolve into gibberish acronyms, grammar/spelling, and pasting tons of numbers.

So yeah, Cheddar is gonna be a Ranger dude with some zen.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 17, 2009, 10:05:07 AM
I figured out how to get to Level 2.  No, I don't understand it, I just did quests until I had enough pink balls and the fighter trainer let me do it.  My tack with Clangus is to just play and not hurt my head with min/max bullshit, or even caring a lot about the numbers. :awesome_for_real:

I posted my name already but I don't seem to have gotten my reward!


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 17, 2009, 11:04:27 AM
Are collectibles ever worth anything? So far its just vendor trash.

I opened a chest then was hit by Dungeon Alert Green and was raped by a huge pack kobolds.  I don't know which one caused the other.

I wish there was some sort of indicator weather some an instance can be done at a greater difficulty or not.  If there are no other options but solo for an instances then the other boxes should not be there.

I was under the impression that spending any amount of money on TP would also turn account premium as well.

I am having problems meshing the 'clicky' nature of combat with the need to trigger skills.



Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 17, 2009, 11:35:28 AM
I am having problems meshing the 'clicky' nature of combat with the need to trigger skills.

I am having a similar issue and it is coupled with the fact that in every other game I press Rmouse+Lmouse to move.  Lots of people are doing this, actually, from what I see in the newbie town.  So I have to press W all the time to run and then I need to press some number keys; I'd rather use only the mouse to drive and the left hand for hotkeys.  It's not like I am ever NOT holding down the left mouse button when in combat, so for a fighter I'd like to see some sort of automated attack.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 17, 2009, 12:46:59 PM
Are collectibles ever worth anything? So far its just vendor trash.

Short version, yes.
Long version, hold onto mushrooms for healing pots, and anything that says you only need to turn in one of.  A lot of the harbor turn ins are indeed trash though, but the single turn ins usually get you some really nice weapons or armor.  Things pick up a bit around level 4 when you start getting the market collectible drops instead.  Look out for the Icon of Khyber specifically.  You turn it into the religious kobold dude near the shops.  Those get turned in for reptile-bane weapons which you'll be using to kill kobolds and trogs for quite a while.

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I opened a chest then was hit by Dungeon Alert Green and was raped by a huge pack kobolds.  I don't know which one caused the other.

This happens when you activate too many mobs in the dungeon.  It was to stop people who were exploiting to just zerg to the end of the dungeon, activating damn near every mob in the process,  and fast complete ignoring them all.  It was supposedly causing havoc with their instance servers.  So now they just all activate pre-emptively and come rape you.

Yes, this is a ham handed solution.

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I wish there was some sort of indicator weather some an instance can be done at a greater difficulty or not.  If there are no other options but solo for an instances then the other boxes should not be there.

All instances that are not strictly solo start with solo and normal unlocked.  After you do normal, hard unlocks.  After hard, elite unlocks.  However, if you're with someone else who already has the upper difficulties unlocked, they can create the dungeon and you can jump ahead that way.

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I was under the impression that spending any amount of money on TP would also turn account premium as well.

I'd thought that was the case.  If I was wrong, I apologize.
http://www.ddo.com/vip (http://www.ddo.com/vip)
This says any purchase of points however.  You may need to log out and back in if you haven't.


Yegolev, I haven't seen either you or Cheddar on at the same time as me.  If I do, I'll buy you some ham (or at least give you the extra full plate+1 sitting in my bank).  FatuousTwat seems to be on more than me though.  I'll get a guild made tonight and get him invite privleges though, if he isn't already in one, so it'll at least be easier to find people and their alts.

Also, there is an auto-attack.  You have three options.  One is a sword looking icon on your character sheet somewhere, think in your feats.  The other is double click to auto attack.  This might not be on by default in the options though.    The last is the sword icon in your healthbar.  The downside to autoattacking is that it only targets the mob you're highlighting for the most part.  Some of the bastards like jumping back and running away, and I usually just turn to smack the thing next to me instead of following.

Also, Taz, is your character Drees or Dree?  I tried to add Drees to my friends list last night and it didn't exist, but there was a Dree.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Yegolev on September 17, 2009, 01:22:36 PM
Hmm, maybe I'll stick to the hold-down-left-mouse method.  I might be imagining it, but I think I can hit more than one target at a time.

If I skip a difficulty, say if I do Normal and not Solo, do I miss out on some XP or something?  Maybe a checkmark in a book somewhere?  Would I want to do the Solo version for any reason?


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 17, 2009, 01:26:52 PM
If I skip a difficulty, say if I do Normal and not Solo, do I miss out on some XP or something?  Maybe a checkmark in a book somewhere?  Would I want to do the Solo version for any reason?

The first time you do any given difficulty level you gain a 25% xp bonus.  That's the only real bonus you're missing.  You also only gain favor from the highest difficulty level you've completed, it's not cumulative in that regard.  There's really no reason not to jump straight to elite if you're with a group that can beat it though.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 17, 2009, 02:26:05 PM
Pretty sure it's Drees. It's a common character name I use.  I logged off 10:30 central yesterday.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 17, 2009, 07:35:00 PM
Ah, I didn't know you were planning on making a guild. I joined one last night right before downtime. I haven't even grouped with them, so I'll see how it goes.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Cheddar on September 17, 2009, 07:48:24 PM
f13 guild sounds good - sign me up!


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 17, 2009, 07:57:35 PM
Lol, stick with that one for now.  I just forgot I actually COULD make a guild last night after they fixed my account.  I doubt this one will have any more persistence than any other f13 guild has.  But who knows!

edit:  or hell, if they don't suck, get us invites  :awesome_for_real:

I'm still at least going to try to make a holding guild tonight.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 17, 2009, 08:25:39 PM
Damn it is Dree.



Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 21, 2009, 11:00:24 AM
I put some serious time into DDOU this weekend.  I enjoy the core game very much.  I don't mind that people have the maps memorized, but the people run ahead and die.  But there are groups were the people work together and that's very fun.  Excellent duo game.  The whole favor system brings out the OCD in me.  Love the henchies.

What is not so good about DDOU is the things around the core game: guild system, quest journal, collectibles, auction house are mediocre to poor.  This distracts from an otherwise well done game.  I hope this move to free-wtih-store allows them to put more resources into improving these systems.

I wonder about how the purchasable content is going to work over time since it erects walls all over the place.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: taolurker on September 21, 2009, 06:37:06 PM
Was actually thinking that myself, about the walls and Freeplay restrictions, and honestly I can't see any reason to continue much to the point where I would subscribe. I downloaded this, and it is much improved from beta, but I still didn't really move past the tutorial.. and 2 characters? WTF I damn well am not buying a slot, and can still try playing on different servers.

With a good duo, or solo character, I probably could cringe through a month of bad voiceovers yelling when I complete quests and some really bad overall decisions menu wise... but honestly I really don't feel that sticky about this unless I had a group of my old friends together to cause chaos.

Two questions I had are:

Are there Roleplay servers?

and

Does anyone even type anymore?

I think this is what makes every MMO I play lately into a vapid gaping chasm, is that no one even types anymore, and it's like a solo game. BTW The chat interface on this has many bugs, that I am typing bug reports for like this was beta. A good RMT idea would be rewarding for submitting bug reports with "points", because honestly I think 10% of beta testers are actually submitting bugs because of previous mentioned typing issue.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 21, 2009, 07:01:06 PM
Does anyone even type anymore?

I think this is what makes every MMO I play lately into a vapid gaping chasm, is that no one even types anymore, and it's like a solo game.

I personally mostly only type in guild only.  More often than not if I want to talk to someone in DDO, I form a party with them and just use the in game voice chat.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Tarami on September 21, 2009, 07:28:24 PM
I like typing. I hate voice chat. It keeps me from listening to music or just enjoying the silence of my flat. Text is easy to ignore (for everyone involved) and overall results in less mental fatigue than having people blab into my ear all night.

Sadly few people nowadays seem to share my opinion. :sad:


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 21, 2009, 07:59:41 PM
I'm the same. I only use voice in vent with people I know. The DM voice is loud enough to interrupt voice chat, as is combat. Just to add to that, the voice chat quality in DDO is horrendous. Few people seem to use voice chat in groups, so it's all good for me.

I don't get what you are saying about no one typing tao. I see general chat flooding past all the time when I bother to switch to the tab.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: taolurker on September 21, 2009, 09:17:59 PM
General chat yes, but I wouldn't consider that exactly easy to understand, or is more like a help channel.

I was more referring to walking up to someone and typing to them? I'm talking about local, and whisper, and honestly the tabs are part of why people don't see chat.

I also prefaced the other comment about people typing because I want to roleplay. Typing out a chat response that isn't just numbers or inane discussions of other MMOs. In nearly every MMO or beta, people I did have who typed back would ask me about other games? How do you respond to that in character, roleplaying? If I ever group in DDO, want to bet what gets asked?

I am a different type of MMO gamer, and did MUDs back before there were graphics because of the typing in character chat, that most of the time was much more fun and laughs than just rinse, repeat, grunt, rinse, repeat... I want to like MMOs but they are all making me feel like I'm soloing even when I'm in groups sometimes.

I also was researching and messing with emotes, but barely anyone even uses those.

That's what I mean by typing, and voice chat makes it worse MMO wise. IMO YMMV


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 23, 2009, 05:22:31 AM
Welp.

Whatever the last patch did fucked me over. I think I'm down to about half the fps I was at before the patch (even if I turn absolutely every setting down, I'm still below what I was getting), and I'm rubber-banding all over the place. Bonus: it's hard to find any groups over level 7. Makes me not really want to play. I'll check back in from day to day, but if it doesn't clear up soon, fuck it.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 23, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
If you spend any amount of money on Turbine Points, your account becomes "premium" and two character slot open up.

It's easy to get the first sigil with free points, so level 8 will be wall as far player population goes.   And Canneth doesn't have any legacy characters to group with.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Reg on September 23, 2009, 12:29:06 PM
I got the thing that lets me level to 8 as a quest reward. I was doing the library quest you get on that little island in the harbour.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 23, 2009, 02:37:22 PM
I forgot about that. Were you level 4 at the time?

I wish gold seal henchies would drop every once in a while.



Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Reg on September 23, 2009, 04:22:58 PM
Nope I was level 3.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 28, 2009, 10:52:13 AM
OMG YOU FUCKERS DITCHED ME ALREADY.   :oh_i_see:

This game is hard even when have a good group. Still too much scumming though.  Shrine fights and "revive 'n' runback" is weak even if you don't get the same xp.

Mythril Plate of Speed is love.

I also won a sigil for a lvl 3 cleric.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 28, 2009, 12:49:13 PM
I got distracted by a new shiny. I've been in and out pretty randomly, usually to run a single dungeon and then log out.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Reg on September 28, 2009, 02:21:39 PM
I'm not finding the game to be much fun. I'm completely unsurprised that they couldn't maintain a playerbase of people paying 15 dollars a month.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 28, 2009, 03:35:48 PM
It's fine Ard.  I was complaining for tradition's sake.  I doing pretty good with PUGs and soloing older missions when I can't find a group. 



Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: Ard on September 28, 2009, 05:14:44 PM
Pretty sure I went on record that the Bat Country wasn't the smartest idea  :oh_i_see:, given how most of us are ADD prone these days when it comes to MMOs.  I'll leave it open for anyone that wants though, since I'm going to continue to play it to get my random dungeon crawler fix when my wife is otherwise distracted.  I'll just keep upgrading everyone to officer when I log on.  That said, I might very well start playing again more regularly since she's just started school again in an accelerated program, and fuck if I'm going to play Aion by myself.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on September 29, 2009, 10:41:54 AM
Cannith was full again last night.  No queue, just error and back to desktop.   :drill:  I wonder why a completely instanatized game has pop cap.  Put a few more gerbils on the wheel and lets get this baby moving.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: tazelbain on October 02, 2009, 10:59:37 AM
Patch went out yesterday.  People with technical issues may wish to try again.


Title: Re: Free to Play is sorta live
Post by: FatuousTwat on October 02, 2009, 06:12:01 PM
Will do at some point tonight, thanks for the heads up.