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Title: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Trippy on February 01, 2009, 03:35:24 PM
Nice challenge.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Venkman on February 01, 2009, 04:37:29 PM
Is it just me, or are there actually fewer commercial breaks this year?

Yea, I can totally see why, but I'm just not sure if that's the case.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Trippy on February 01, 2009, 04:44:35 PM
Well NBC set a record for most revenue from Super Bowl ad slots sold so if there are fewer this year it's can't be by much.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Trippy on February 01, 2009, 04:46:03 PM
Fuck. Well that's why Harrison was Defensive Player of the Year.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Merusk on February 01, 2009, 04:47:25 PM
Jesus christ that sucked.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Montague on February 01, 2009, 04:47:50 PM
Wow, touchdown stands


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Ozzu on February 01, 2009, 04:49:43 PM
That's disappointing. The Cardinals are getting the ball first in the 2nd half too. They could have put some distance between then and the Steelers and they end up down double-digits. Ouch.  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Falconeer on February 01, 2009, 04:54:39 PM
Am I the only one to think that int return fell 1 inch short of the endzone?


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Ozzu on February 01, 2009, 04:55:51 PM
Am I the only one to think that int return fell 1 inch short of the endzone?


It looked like he got in to me. It was really close though and probably not conclusive enough in replay to overturn it.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Abagadro on February 01, 2009, 05:00:50 PM
Time for the second half of the Puppy Bowl after getting rid of those lame cats.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Phildo on February 01, 2009, 05:05:52 PM
Watched much of the first half on a Canadian stream.  The commercials are so inferior, how do you people stand it?


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: tazelbain on February 01, 2009, 05:47:14 PM
Refs have already decided who should win.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Abagadro on February 01, 2009, 06:04:52 PM
Other than a marginal roughing call I haven't seen anything that wasn't a legit call.  Warner just looks like the old man that he is.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Trippy on February 01, 2009, 06:18:33 PM
Comeback time!


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Triforcer on February 01, 2009, 06:20:27 PM
This one just got interesting.  But Roethlisberger eats the clock, they kick a FG with about 3 minutes to go, and game is over.

EDIT:  Arizona forced the punt.  Magic time.  Also, watching the Super Bowl (and by "watching" I mean "looking at CNNSI play by play updates") at 11:30 AM in the morning in a Tokyo office is the least fun viewing experience ever.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Trippy on February 01, 2009, 06:42:19 PM
Fuck ya!


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Triforcer on February 01, 2009, 06:42:41 PM
FITZGERALD!!!

The ONE Super Bowl in the last decade I can't watch...is the one serving up the Epic.  We may see OT yet, with a three point game.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Abagadro on February 01, 2009, 06:43:38 PM
Crazy game.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Triforcer on February 01, 2009, 06:50:06 PM
And Roethlisberger proves he still has a bit of magic too.  Driving, driving, driving...


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Trippy on February 01, 2009, 06:52:07 PM
FFFFUUUCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Trippy on February 01, 2009, 07:05:19 PM
Ah well. I actually don't mind the Steelers and they were my favorite team in the 70s but I wanted to postpone them breaking the tie with the Niners (and Cowboys) for most Super Bowl wins for as long as possible.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Triforcer on February 01, 2009, 07:08:15 PM
Tough call on who to give the MVP too...probably Holmes.  That 40 yarder and the 6 yarder were both incredible (or so I've read).


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Phildo on February 01, 2009, 07:08:25 PM
 :drill:


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: K9 on February 01, 2009, 07:23:47 PM
Tough call on who to give the MVP too...probably Holmes.  That 40 yarder and the 6 yarder were both incredible (or so I've read).

Holmes

Overall an exciting game to watch.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Special J on February 01, 2009, 07:38:55 PM
Refs have already decided who should win.

Yes. It's always the ref's fault.

That was a good football game.  I wanted the Cards to win it but didn't think they would.  They didn't, but wow, how close can you get?


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Merusk on February 01, 2009, 07:42:24 PM
Well, at least they didn't beat the spread.  Hahaha.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: K9 on February 01, 2009, 07:45:11 PM
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Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Malakili on February 01, 2009, 08:29:51 PM
(http://img.skitch.com/20090202-jwd7trkh6rw61puicrsdu5kjgh.jpg)

Referees were absolutely awful the entire game, on both sides.  The Cardinals got it a little worse.  Also, I can't believe the last play of the game wasn't reviewed.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Hoax on February 01, 2009, 08:34:33 PM
Ref's were horrible, way too many penalties called and some of the shit was very weak.

I was pretty sure that the int wasn't returned all the way.  I felt that the one angle showed the elbow of the arm that wasn't holding the  ball go down barely in the endzone.  With the other arm far enough back it seemed like it wasn't in.  However nobody else of our 8 saw it that way so I accept that was probably wishful.  OTOH there were some weak calls in the Steelers favor and though it wouldn't have meant much I can't believe they ruled that last play a fumble.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: murdoc on February 01, 2009, 08:51:01 PM
That was a pretty darn entertaining Super Bowl, and really, that's all I ask.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Signe on February 02, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
That was a pretty darn entertaining Super Bowl, and really, that's all I ask.

I agree.  I thought it was great fun.  Of course, I was cheering for Pittsburgh after I was forced to stop cheering for Philadelphia.  Dammit.  So much chatter about the losers though, not enough about the winners.  I bet the Cardinals were all in the locker room singing "We Aren't the Champions". 

Anyway - that 3D stuff looks so different than the older 3D stuff!  It's actually watchable without special glasses!  (well, if you discount awkward posing and strange close-ups)  I rented a film (I forget what it was but I remember it wasn't good)  that had 3D on one side and normal on the other side of the DvD.  I put the 3D side on first by mistake and it wasn't watchable at all.  I thought the 3D adverts were pretty amazing in comparison.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: HaemishM on February 02, 2009, 09:44:27 AM
That was a damn good Super Bowl game. Even when it was 20-7, it was still close. Hell, Arizona got within one good defensive play of being up 14-10.

I thought the refs did a great job with the game. None of the replay calls were wrong - and the ones that were in question really could have gone either way but just weren't conclusive. They actually DID review that last play by Warner and called it a fumble, and again, I could have seen that one go either way as well.

Apparently, Arizona is $40 million UNDER the salary cap, and you can bet some of those guys will get a pay raise. But even then, they'll still have money to spend next season. I think they are going to keep Warner another year and try to swing Leinart in when they can, but with guys like Fitzgerald and Boldin, this team could be good for a while - if the Cardinals' curse doesn't kill them next year.

Santonio Holmes is finally stepping up to be the guy I thought he'd be when they drafted him. And Big Ben - he just wins games. At least his performance was decent, unlike his last Super Bowl win. He now has more Super Bowl rings that Peyton Manning AND Brett Favre.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: shiznitz on February 02, 2009, 02:47:46 PM
This game played like the Arizona Philly game, except Arizona was Philly this time. Great game. I was hoping the Cards would win but the Steelers earned it.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Triforcer on February 02, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
I think Big Ben is still vaguely dissatisfied about things in general.  People still perceive him as more of a "he was there on a team with an awesome defense and didn't make mistakes" type of QB, not a Manning or Brady type.  He's the best scrambling QB in football, bar none, but I still can't help but feel he will never get the adulation that those two get.   


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: stu on February 02, 2009, 08:40:06 PM
What happened to be a fantastic game may have been even better for some standard definition viewers in Arizona.

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Comcast apologizes for Ariz. porn interruption during Super Bowl

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) -- A cable television provider apologized Monday to Tucson-area customers over a 30-second porn interruption during the Super Bowl.

Philadelphia-based Comcast said it was conducting a thorough investigation "and will aggressively pursue all leads until we come to resolution." In separate statements, the company said it was "mortified" and "appalled" by the interruption.

"Our initial investigation suggests this was an isolated malicious act," Jennifer Khoury, Comcast's vice president for corporate communications, said.

The company said only customers in the Tucson area receiving the standard definition feed -- not high definition -- were affected.

Comcast has some 80,000 customers in unincorporated portions of Pima County, Marana and Oro Valley, but a company spokeswoman, Kelle Maslyn, declined to say how many standard definition customers there are or how many of those customers may have been watching the game.

Late Monday, Khoury said Comcast had decided to offer any Tucson customer who gets the standard definition service a $10 credit. The affected customers can receive the credit by calling a special telephone number or a Comcast call center, and are entitled to the money whether or not they watched the Super Bowl.

"The Super bowl is a family viewing event ... We can't undo what happened, but we remain deeply sorry for the impact this situation has had on our customers," Khoury said.

She said the credit was intended to "demonstrate to our customers, and to the Tucson community, how seriously we take this situation."

Tucson media outlets reported that they received calls from irate viewers about the pornographic material, which aired just after the Arizona Cardinals' Larry Fitzgerald scored on a long touchdown reception during the final minutes of the game.

In Washington, Federal Communications Commission spokesman David Fiske said he was not aware of any complaints having been filed with the FCC as of Monday afternoon.

"At this point we just have no information," he said. If the agency receives complaints, review procedures will be followed.

"Every case concerning enforcement or indecency is fact-specific," he said, and added, "we can't ever speculate."

Khoury also said it was too soon to discuss a number of unanswered issues, ranging from how and why the incident occurred to what the source was and how the company's security system was breached.

Other questions include whether the interruption could have emanated from any broadcast provided for on-demand customers and whether any employees of the company might face discipline, depending on the investigation's outcome.

Fiske could not say whether the FCC potentially could impose a fine or other disciplinary action. "It depends on what the facts are," he said.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/super-bowl/02/02/porn.cable.superbowl.ap/index.html


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: WayAbvPar on February 03, 2009, 12:27:37 PM
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Referees were absolutely awful the entire game, on both sides.  The Cardinals got it a little worse.  Also, I can't believe the last play of the game wasn't reviewed.

Amen. Biggest game of the year and the refs were just bumbling idiots.

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I thought the refs did a great job with the game. None of the replay calls were wrong - and the ones that were in question really could have gone either way but just weren't conclusive. They actually DID review that last play by Warner and called it a fumble, and again, I could have seen that one go either way as well.

My problem with them was that they had to be reviewed so many times on obvious calls. It seemed that whatever the correct call was, they defaulted the other direction and waited for replay to fix it.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Nebu on February 03, 2009, 01:56:49 PM
My opinion is going to be very unpopular here...

Football at the NFL level is a game that moves REALLY FUCKING FAST.  The fact that these refs make the correct call even half of the time is a pretty amazing example of their ability.  So... take a fast game, add a bajillion viewers second guessing you under an electron microscope, and you'll have barely a glimpse at what it's like to do the job of a ref. 

If you want to eliminate the role of the refs, do what my old coach always told us in college: Play well enough to take the refs out of the equation. 


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: schild on February 03, 2009, 02:01:31 PM
We apologize for interrupting your sports porn with real porn.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: HaemishM on February 03, 2009, 02:11:01 PM
My opinion is going to be very unpopular here...

Football at the NFL level is a game that moves REALLY FUCKING FAST.  The fact that these refs make the correct call even half of the time is a pretty amazing example of their ability.  So... take a fast game, add a bajillion viewers second guessing you under an electron microscope, and you'll have barely a glimpse at what it's like to do the job of a ref. 

If you want to eliminate the role of the refs, do what my old coach always told us in college: Play well enough to take the refs out of the equation. 

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It seems logical that professional referees would be paid as well as professional sport players. This is not the case. A typical referee makes between $2,000-4,000 per NFL game. Remember that this is a seasonal sport that is only played from September to December. Many referees officiate as a part-time job. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median salary for a referee was $29,850 in 2007.

Refs make shit for money, and it's not even their main profession. We essentially have highly trained amateurs in charge of these games. You get what you pay for.

Of course, the fact that the NFL will not install and use their OWN cameras for instant replay instead of relying on the TV broadcast cameras is also ridonkulus.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Rasix on February 03, 2009, 03:19:22 PM

If you want to eliminate the role of the refs, do what my old coach always told us in college: Play well enough to take the refs out of the equation. 

Was that before or after he told you about the new fangled "forward pass"?


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: WayAbvPar on February 03, 2009, 03:54:34 PM
The refs do get quite a bit right, but forcing coaches to use challenges on plays that everyone in the stadium, tv audience, and inner solar system see one way, but the 7 guys in charge see another (or don't see at all and guess) drives me up the fucking wall. Good example of the good is the last TD- I was not too sure Holmes got both feet inbounds, but the refs made the right call. The Warner fumble at the end, otoh, they missed the call. No way you can tell me they did a thorough review before they let Pittsburgh snap the ball either. Basic easy reviews take 5 minutes at least, but they can bang out a change of possession call with 30 seconds left in a 4 point Super Bowl in 40 seconds? Bullshit.

Another problem with the replay system is they are only as good as A) the replay angles and B) th call made on the field. Add more cameras, have an extra live ref on the sidelines watching the live TV feed, whatever. Make it better. Be seamless and invisible, not part of the story.

Don't even get me started on basketball refs. They make even Pac-10 football officials look positively competent.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: El Gallo on February 03, 2009, 04:38:48 PM
The Warner fumble at the end, otoh, they missed the call. No way you can tell me they did a thorough review before they let Pittsburgh snap the ball either. Basic easy reviews take 5 minutes at least, but they can bang out a change of possession call with 30 seconds left in a 4 point Super Bowl in 40 seconds? Bullshit.

Well, most of the time it takes to review a play is the ref seeing the flag, talking to the coach, moseying over to the screen, and moseying back to the center of the field to make the call.  The actual review of the play does not last very long (I think there is a rule capping the time "under the hood" at a minute or so).

In the last 2 minutes, every play is reviewed by officials in the booth as they happen.  I'm not sure if the rule is that the booth official buzzes down when he thinks it is conceivable that a coach might have thrown a challenge flag or if he thinks there is some reason to think that the play should be overturned or what.  Looking at the slow motion replay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2cQnytZ90 it looks to me that they got it right (qb lost control of ball before throw started) and certainly don't see indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field.

However, I do think that this is a rule that causes too much fucking grief, and should've been changed to a bright-line rule after the tuck rule debacle.  I propose this: if the ball doesn't pass the line of scrimmage (or touch a legal receiver before hitting the ground), it's a fumble.  Sure it makes wildly misthrown screen passes more dangerous, but the "was it going forward? was it re-tucked? oh may god it looks like one pixel may have moved slightly parallel to the line of scrimmage before coming completely out? but did he have full control of the ball at that point blah blah blah" nonsense that seems to happen way too often.

The only obvious bad call I remember was the incomplete pass incorrectly ruled as a fumble by warner early in the 3rd, which cost Arizona a challenge (they still had one left, but would have had either one or two left depending on whether the hypothetical "next challenge" by the Cards would have been successful or not).   The touchdown that was overturned on the steelers' first drive turned out to be an incorrect call, but I would not call it a bad call because it was pretty close (the kind of play replay is designed/needed to get right consistently).


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: naum on February 04, 2009, 08:33:19 AM
On the ref calls:

According to NFL officials head, who was on NFL network to explain the calls and non-calls, said this…

* …on the 1st half TD run, officials made correct call but even if Harrison was tackled before end zone, Steelers would have gotten another play since there was a offensive penalty on the play. No mention was made, however, that Fitzgerald ran out of bounds 20-30 yards before making tackle — don't know what throwing that into the mix would result in…'

*…officials simply didn't see Holmes "using the ball as a prop" since it happened so long after the TD catch but they should have flagged him for that, according to the rules.

* …the Warner fumble at the end of the game was booth reviewed. Don't know if the NFL officials guy is just covering up, but he said it was indeed looked at upstairs w/enough time to judge…


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Paelos on February 04, 2009, 10:00:13 AM
I don't get why people think the fumble at the end was a pass. Arm goes back, arm gets hit, ball goes forward because of hit.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: WayAbvPar on February 05, 2009, 10:11:33 AM
I have seen almost identical plays called forward passes more times than I can count.

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  I propose this: if the ball doesn't pass the line of scrimmage (or touch a legal receiver before hitting the ground), it's a fumble.  Sure it makes wildly misthrown screen passes more dangerous, but the "was it going forward? was it re-tucked? oh may god it looks like one pixel may have moved slightly parallel to the line of scrimmage before coming completely out? but did he have full control of the ball at that point blah blah blah" nonsense that seems to happen way too often.

I think that is a fantastic idea. Takes the guesswork out of it, and makes for a more exciting game.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: cmlancas on February 16, 2009, 04:46:49 AM
I know I'm necroposting a bit here, but I'm glad there's a little love for the referees in this thread.  I used to think baseball and football refereeing was cake and give shit to refs every chance I got, but really, there's way more to it than just calling balls/strikes/penalties/downs.  Ever since I've started reffing, I've understood just how difficult it is, and what a PITA coaches/fans/et al can be.  I know I've blown my share of calls, and it's been in games for ages eight to fourteen.  Fuck if I could make a call for grown men running 4.2 40s.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Mandrel on February 21, 2009, 07:32:32 PM
This is a Billion dollar industry, and they can't bother to have full time, committed referees?  Bullshit.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Paelos on February 22, 2009, 10:09:57 AM
This is a Billion dollar industry, and they can't bother to have full time, committed referees?  Bullshit.

They could, but I don't think they believe the extra money would be worth the return. Would they be THAT much better if they were full-time? Maybe some, but I still think there are too many bang-bang plays in the NFL to expect them to get everything right on the field.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: HaemishM on February 22, 2009, 10:57:49 AM
Maybe some, but I still think there are too many bang-bang plays in the NFL to expect them to get everything right on the field.

Which is what replay is supposed to help, getting it right. The NFL seriously needs professional refs.


Title: Re: Super Bowl XLIII
Post by: Paelos on February 22, 2009, 12:22:57 PM
Maybe some, but I still think there are too many bang-bang plays in the NFL to expect them to get everything right on the field.

Which is what replay is supposed to help, getting it right. The NFL seriously needs professional refs.

I think they just need to change the "debatable = call on the field" rule. The reason being is that refs often let plays go that might or might not be fumbles because they know once they blow the whistle, review is not an option anymore. That means that if it's remotely questionable, the 50/50 is always going to be fumble, which skews the game.