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You guys have room for a newb once i figure out what i want to play?

Any class recommendations if i like artillery style play?

Bright Wiz or Shadow Hunter.

Thanks

Play an engineer, guns, turrets and grenades.

No play an Archmage :awesome_for_real:

Bright Wizard is the ultimate glass cannon. You WILL kill yourself, or you're doing it wrong. Shadow Warriors are more survivable but put out less DPS. Engineers have good DPS too but are more twiddly (no autoshot that I could tell) and I personally think the turrets are pretty meh.

So far I dont like my shadow warrior much. Im not really concerned with dying that much though.

Trying BW now, I can see clearly that im gonna have to try out all of order classes before i make my final decision.

Archmage was looking fun. I enjoy healing a good deal, do archmages have reasonable damage for healers?

You should try Witch Hunter, execute people with a pistol to the head or set them on fire with a torch, plus you get a cool hat.

Not sure of the archmage- but Shamans certainly do.

Arch Mages have fine damage for a priest.

I'm planning on rolling an archmage this evening. My chaos guild is hopeless--largest guild on the server and we have no alliances and can't field a scenario group.

Haha. That's because all destruction guilds are a mess. ^_^

If you are rolling for Bat Country you may want to consider a Tank.  They are awesome and we really could use a few more.  WE already have quite a few healers (although as an RP I may have sample bias).

There are 3-4 more healers being leveled as alts atm. We definitely need more tanks and DPS at this point.

Well one of the other things that's pissed me off is there are no female tanks in Destruction. (Really bad idea btw Mark.) Any real differences between them? I was thinking of the dwarf one.

Girls can't take hits, duh. Ask Sjofn about her take on this, it's a fun hour of frothing <3

I say this safely from the opposite coast of sjofn, as she could likely kick my scrawny ass.

General impressions:  Ironbreaker is the best straight up tanker/guarder.  Swordmaster AOE is pretty shiznit though, and works terrific in both PVP and PvE.

I made a Witch Hunter on Ulthuan named Cromwell. I like the pistol.

This one wasn't Mark's call, I'm more than willing to bet.  Kick GW in the nads. (Though some people feel that the DoK is a "tank" of sorts. I think they're horribly mistaken.)

My understanding is the chaos tank can be female, but they didn't think they could make it look right. Given that it was the only lore possibility, they should have put in the time simply because there aren't other options.

And looking at tanks, I think I'll be rolling as an archmage. I don't think PVP tank is for me.

After playing both a warrior priest and an ironbreaker, i've already decided to switch my main over to the ironbreaker.  I'll work with who ever is on tonight (that can invite) to get the two characters switched out.  planning on only keeping my main in the guild to help out with guild level.  assuming more people = harder to lvl.

Guess i need to make a tank LOL, hehe I like the BW alot though, I keep torching myself though in the lowbie scenarios.

Im super confused about how the scenarios work, I get stomped alot by higher ranks. Also the first round of scenarios ive tried were mass chaos on order side.

HIgh elf Sword thingy, or Ironbreaker?

Actually female chosen is A-OK lore-wise. This one was a stupid Mythic art decision. The no female greenskins is the lore one.

Lowbies can contribute, but honestly you do better as you level up.  First of all, you get more abilities and your character is fleshed out more.  A character with a root/snare/instacast is a lot more effective than one without. Plus, before level 8 you're not going to have any morale abilities.

Levels and RR also provide you access to better gear and it does matter.  I was hitting signficantly harder once I upgraded my rifle to the rank 8, rr 6 gun.

You can pretty much look at the lineup at the start and see who will win.  The side sporting the most low levels is going to have it rough.  Also it's not uncommon I've seen to have order with no healers and/or no tanks.  I'm not quite sure what the hell warrior priests fall under yet.

My shadow warrior sees Warrior Priests/Zealots as Soft Tissue. My Arch Mage files them under "The Fear."

I figure i need to really play a bunch of characters up a decent bit before i figure out what im gonna be good at.

I made an Ironbreaker named "Heck", if it's ok I'll join the guild later.

It's not OK. You're fucking crazy.

Yes, but we let you in.

No one "let" me do anything hombre. ^_^

Don't you have a Google Android to drool over? Look, shiiiiiiny

Man, that totally pissed me off too. No female chosen in particular made me angry.

You should give the ironbreaker a whirl just for the heck of it, because they are surprisingly fun in the PvP, but archmages are really fun too, so ... yeah, I'm not being useful. Woo!

Even if I change the name to "Lamentable"?

 :grin:

I beta'ed with HRose in a couple of games.  He's a lot of fun to game with and I found him very different from his forum personna. 

Of course, it's your party...

I picked WAR up today on the   :heart: that everyone here has been giving it and rolled a White Lion on the BC server. Did some PvE (not bad) and quite a bit of scenario PvP (was fun).  Order got rolled every time. I decided to try a different server (don't' recall the exact name offhand but it's RP/RVR) and went Destruction. Picked a Magus and in the PvP scenarios I played Destruction got rolled once. From my limited perspective, it appears that Destruction way out-powers Order. There was one instance where we were down by 150 points and came from behind to win it by a landslide. Granted, it was two different scenarios but it seems, just like WoW, that the evil side has some sort of weird intangible advantage when it comes to objective based PvP. Just about every time I've played BG's in WoW on my lock, the Horde just pwns us. I'm finding the same thing here. Anyone else notice this? I'm a relative PvP noobler so my observations as I said are limited.

Anyway, it's way fun and it's forcing me to spend 40 bucks on a RAM upgrade. 1 GB isn't cutting it.

I play on a RP server and most of the time, Order is dominating scenarios [sometimes even 500-20 or something silly like that] in tier1 and tier2. Whether that's due to better teamwork, class composition, or level/gear advantage, I can't tell...


-- Z.

Or people who like playing as "good" elves like to RP!  :grin:

Order Tier 1 Classes are quite strong especially when you consider Warpriests and Bright Wizard combinations in Empire vs Chaos Tier 1 scenario. It's not uncommon to see a class make up of 4 BW and 4 WP, that's when I know no matter what you just can't win at tier 1 against that sort of combo.

One thing about Chaos vs. Order, in the tier 1 stuff, the chaos tanks are plentiful. Since people in t1 usually haven't identified who to kill yet, they tend to fight the guy in front of them, who happens to be a tank. If your team doesn't have dwarves or elves on it, you're screwed because those Chosen will just soak all kinds of damage.

Playing a healer in the first tier was a joke.  I could stand in the back and be left untouched.  By tiers 2 and 3 my life is spent running away from stealthers. 

I take back my earlier post. Played on my magus yesterday and didn't win one scenario. Guess it just depends on who's playing when.

Depends on a) communication and b) levels.  In the first tier, having level 10 gear and abilities makes a HUGE difference. 

I try to do some limited visual analysis of the score sheet after each battle, as I'm sure most do.

In blow-out scores (like a Destro 500 Order 9 we did at Ekrund Gate last night), a quick check showed we had six level 11s and they had one. They also never bothered to work together as a group and always attacked us in splintered groups of 2 or 3. So it's pretty easy to conclude that if you dominate in levels you will usually win the scenario, and dominate if your tactics are decent and theirs suck.

Most of the time I notice whichever side I'm playing wins/loses based on more consistent capturing/maintaining objectives. We did a come-from-behind (ahem!) in Nordenwatch yesterday by keeping the tank-heavy Order groups off-balance between the captures of the lighthouse and barracks until we finally took the fort and won the battle 500 to 489. It was the best nail-biter I've played so far and it actually felt like we were having to outsmart a stronger force rather than just cherry-pick targets.

I have never enjoyed PvP more in an online game than I do in WAR. First time I actually look forward to it in a game.

Yeah, it is surprisingly fun.  I looked at my kill stats and was surprised to see I have more player kills than monster kills.