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Title: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: tazelbain on August 20, 2008, 11:31:00 AM Please if you don't want to join Bat Country in WAR or aren't even going to play WAR, use option 3.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Rasix on August 20, 2008, 11:34:32 AM So, we're going to try this again. I expect awesome results this time!
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Mrbloodworth on August 20, 2008, 11:36:04 AM Its a PvP game....
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: tazelbain on August 20, 2008, 12:26:22 PM Well, I don't see the harm in trying. It's either you guys or the mouth-breathing masses.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nebu on August 20, 2008, 12:45:34 PM I will only play if Rasix and Hat agree to carry me on their backs again.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: trias_e on August 20, 2008, 01:06:11 PM Myself and 2-3 friends are going to be playing order somewhere. If bat country decides to play order, we would definitely be up for joining you guys.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: MuffinMan on August 20, 2008, 01:10:59 PM Haven't given it much thought on which side I would play and there's no apathy choice. So much pressure for a fence sitter, I need a nap.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Kail on August 20, 2008, 01:37:20 PM Voting Order, because I expect that way it'll be a target rich environment. I didn't play DAoC or anything, and I'm not in the beta, though, so I'm a bit fuzzy on what the impact of being on the smaller faction would entail. Though if there's anything done to try to compensate for population imbalance, I suspect it would be better to be on the underrepresented side.
Plus, I'm hearing discouraging things about Squig Herders and Shamans, which are the main Destruction classes which appeal to me. But, whichever is fine with me, really. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Fraeg on August 20, 2008, 02:48:44 PM squig herders have issues, my 2cp is that shamans especially at higher lvls are :drill:
my favorite class to play so far has been the squig herder, but it got to the point that i needed to wear Depends due to my loose sphincter from all the anal rape i received in pvp on him. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: murdoc on August 20, 2008, 03:03:23 PM I have two friends that will be rolling Shamans at release even though they are playing them as mains in beta. They love their Shamans.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 20, 2008, 03:07:30 PM Since I get to start at level 1, as long as I can get my collector's box (DAMN YOU GAMESTOP!) I will be playing.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: K9 on August 20, 2008, 03:08:10 PM Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 20, 2008, 03:08:34 PM Ignore me. It's not interesting.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Rasix on August 20, 2008, 03:10:06 PM I will only play if Rasix and Hat agree to carry me on their backs again. You think I'd remember this. Anyhow, I'm about 50/50 for playing right now. I'd vote destro just because it'd take two people I know playing order to get over there. Good elves and humans. :uhrr: Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nebu on August 20, 2008, 03:55:46 PM You think I'd remember this. It was Righ, not you. You "R" name people all look the same to me anyway. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: amiable on August 20, 2008, 04:11:16 PM Do you all think Order will be underpopulated? I remember the WoW beta was similar, with all the beta testers playing horde but when live came everyone rolled alliance... I would prefer to play on the underdog side.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 20, 2008, 04:17:00 PM Do you all think Order will be underpopulated? I remember the WoW beta was similar, with all the beta testers playing horde but when live came everyone rolled alliance... I would prefer to play on the underdog side. This. I also prefer to play a gimp class. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Rasix on August 20, 2008, 04:19:47 PM Horseshit.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Lt.Dan on August 20, 2008, 04:22:54 PM So, we're going to try this again. I expect awesome results this time! It's fitting since it is the definition of insanity: repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome.Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Lantyssa on August 20, 2008, 04:26:18 PM Can I vote to skew the results even if I'm not gonna play?
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: tazelbain on August 20, 2008, 04:44:36 PM Then you have no interest in Bat Country. You are on the internet; you have to tell the truth. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nebu on August 20, 2008, 04:49:31 PM You are on the internet; you have to tell the truth. ... and never be wrong. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Lantyssa on August 20, 2008, 05:01:37 PM Then you have no interest in Bat Country. You are on the internet; you have to tell the truth. It doesn't say Bat Country in which game...I'm on the internet. I have to skew the truth to validate my point and mock my enemies. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: trias_e on August 20, 2008, 05:12:56 PM Quote Do you all think Order will be underpopulated? I remember the WoW beta was similar, with all the beta testers playing horde but when live came everyone rolled alliance... I would prefer to play on the underdog side. Certainly Order is clearly outnumbered in the beta and in large forum polls I've seen. I think this will continue until release. WAR is clearly a PvP/RvR focused game, and destruction will likely attract more of that crowd. The alliance/horde discrepency in WoW has alot to do with most PvE carebears playing alliance. That said, if Order is overpopulated on whatever serve I'm on when I start playing, I will switch sides early on. I refuse to play on Albion again. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Fordel on August 20, 2008, 06:29:17 PM The alliance/horde imbalance has everything to do with Elves, Paladins and 'ugly'.
All the 'hardcore' people will roll up on the same server (which will be declared the only server that matters) and be destruction. Every other server will be filled to the brim with Warrior Priests and Witch Hunters. The only hope for balance is the Slutty Elves on the Destruction side, but those could turn away nearly as many as they bring in. If there is a Paladin, or Paladin Like class, people WILL roll it up, by the Truck Load. It's virtually MMO Law. If there are Elves, especially Pretty Elves, people WILL roll those up by bushel as well. If one side is 'rough' or 'ugly' or 'uncivilized' people WILL shun it, in favor of either of the above. Who knows, maybe THIS time it'll be different... but my money is on Order = Alliance = Albion Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Venkman on August 20, 2008, 06:32:01 PM Order. Solely for Bright Wizards. So I can bitch loud when they get the nerf they've needed for months. :grin:
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Trippy on August 20, 2008, 06:56:41 PM If there is a Paladin, or Paladin Like class, people WILL roll it up, by the Truck Load. It's virtually MMO Law. Both sides have a Paladin-like class.Quote If there are Elves, especially Pretty Elves, people WILL roll those up by bushel as well. Both sides have Elves and the "ugly" side has half-nekkid Elves.Quote If one side is 'rough' or 'ugly' or 'uncivilized' people WILL shun it, in favor of either of the above. Did I mention the ugly side has half-nekkid elves?Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: rattran on August 20, 2008, 07:15:35 PM Having played through both sides to ~30 in a couple classes, Destro is more finished, and more fun. I'm not decided if I'll play, I got a preorder ($0.99 at Target!) so I don't need to decide yet. But Zealot/Shaman are nifty, and as has been pointed out in another thread, useful for fucking with order 'tards.
Plus, dwarves are even more gay than elves. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Fordel on August 20, 2008, 07:21:20 PM What is the Paladin Like class on the Destruction side? All I see are Mutants, Orcs and Slutty Elves.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: stu on August 20, 2008, 07:48:30 PM Disciple of Khaine?
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Trippy on August 20, 2008, 07:49:41 PM Yes.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Fordel on August 20, 2008, 08:16:32 PM That isn't Paladin like.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Trippy on August 20, 2008, 08:24:09 PM That isn't Paladin like. DoK is exactly like a Warrior Priest. So if you consider a Warrior Priest "Paladin-like" then DoK is one too.Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Fordel on August 20, 2008, 08:47:56 PM How they actually PLAY is irrelevant. Just how they appear/feel.
Shining Warrior in Armor? Smiting the Wicked? Defending the Weak? General Anti Undead/Demon shenanigans? People play Paladins or the nearest Paladin class in spite of mechanics, not because of them. They're attracted to : "Where is your faith on this dark day? Chaos rides against you – will you let these beasts destroy your hearths and homes, or will you trust in Sigmar and fight? Forward men, and drive back this Chaos rabble! For the Empire! For Sigmar!" The Myth and the Ideal. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Trippy on August 20, 2008, 09:11:43 PM How they actually PLAY is irrelevant. Just how they appear/feel. Smiting the wicked also means smiting your own people in the Warhammer universe (think Witch Hunter). I.e. the concept of "lawful good" doesn't really apply in the WH world. At best you have people that are "lawful neutral". E.g. the Bretonnians aka your "knights in shining armor" use their slaves as cannon fodder. That's hardly "Paladin-like" behavior.Shining Warrior in Armor? Smiting the Wicked? Defending the Weak? General Anti Undead/Demon shenanigans? People play Paladins or the nearest Paladin class in spite of mechanics, not because of them. They're attracted to : "Where is your faith on this dark day? Chaos rides against you – will you let these beasts destroy your hearths and homes, or will you trust in Sigmar and fight? Forward men, and drive back this Chaos rabble! For the Empire! For Sigmar!" The Myth and the Ideal. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 20, 2008, 11:39:22 PM How they actually PLAY is irrelevant. Just how they appear/feel. Smiting the wicked also means smiting your own people in the Warhammer universe (think Witch Hunter). I.e. the concept of "lawful good" doesn't really apply in the WH world. At best you have people that are "lawful neutral". E.g. the Bretonnians aka your "knights in shining armor" use their slaves as cannon fodder. That's hardly "Paladin-like" behavior.Shining Warrior in Armor? Smiting the Wicked? Defending the Weak? General Anti Undead/Demon shenanigans? People play Paladins or the nearest Paladin class in spite of mechanics, not because of them. They're attracted to : "Where is your faith on this dark day? Chaos rides against you – will you let these beasts destroy your hearths and homes, or will you trust in Sigmar and fight? Forward men, and drive back this Chaos rabble! For the Empire! For Sigmar!" The Myth and the Ideal. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Fordel on August 21, 2008, 12:21:02 AM Sigmar is there God Emperor dude. Roughly the same deal as the 40k Emperor.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Trippy on August 21, 2008, 12:21:59 AM WH40K it would be for the Emperor (assuming you are talking about humans). In WH there are a bunch of different Empire gods but Sigmar would be predominate in the era WHO, I mean WAR, is set.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 21, 2008, 01:21:34 AM I may bail on my standard MMO crowd to play this, but I wanna play Order. I change my vote!
Order's classes look much more interesting. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Typhon on August 21, 2008, 02:53:40 AM Are you going to play Sigfried? or Roy? ... pansy.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: LC on August 21, 2008, 03:51:00 AM Where is option 4?
"Warhammer Online will be a boring pile of shit. I'm not shelling out $50 for another coaster." Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: tazelbain on August 21, 2008, 06:40:08 AM Where is option 4? Then use option 3. There are plenty of other threads where you can piss and moan about WAR."Warhammer Online will be a boring pile of shit. I'm not shelling out $50 for another coaster." Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 21, 2008, 10:29:49 AM Are you going to play Sigfried? or Roy? ... pansy. I'm disappointed with all the healers on the Destruction side. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Pennilenko on August 21, 2008, 10:40:42 AM You guys are mean, first you reccomended AoC to me......................
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 21, 2008, 10:53:00 AM We play everything. What do you expect?
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 21, 2008, 10:56:41 AM I like the idea of a White Lion as a melee DPS class with a pet.
I like the idea of the Warrior Priest as what a healing Paladin in WoW was trying to be. I love Engineers - turrets are rad. Rune Priests are amazing, and I love throwing down giant runes on the ground that give buffs to everyone standing on them. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Triforcer on August 21, 2008, 11:17:10 AM My heart wants me to play a Squig Herder, but my ass wants a class that isn't getting it utterly owned in PvP. So I'm torn, although ultimately Destruction looks much cooler.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 21, 2008, 11:21:00 AM Squig Herders, while cool in concept, just don't seem that great. I clunked around with a Squig Herder for a bit.
The turret-style creatures (Magus demons, Engineer pets) seem a lot more useful than the go git 'em style pets. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: rattran on August 21, 2008, 12:20:50 PM My heart wants me to play a Squig Herder, but my ass wants a class that isn't getting it utterly owned in PvP. So I'm torn, although ultimately Destruction looks much cooler. Pairing a squig herder with a zealot seems to work okay. I kept him healed, he kept sending out explody things and shooting. Much joy was had, many BWs fell down. After playing a DoK and a Zealot, I'm not sure why any group would want the DoK. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: amiable on August 21, 2008, 12:27:43 PM After playing a DoK and a Zealot, I'm not sure why any group would want the DoK. Yeah, I kind of noticed this as well... DoK and WP are the stereotypical "terrific soloers, but we don't want you in a group kthxbai" classes. They remind me a lot of Ret pallies. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 21, 2008, 02:06:30 PM I'm rallying behind the Order cause. Vote Order™ in '08.
I've actually found the Melee healers (Disciple, WP) to be pretty powerful, because they heal out of an entirely separate pool then their action points. They get an interruptable channel that funnels AP into their healing pool (as well as the standard abilities that fill it up), and they can take quite a beating on the front lines. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 21, 2008, 04:04:54 PM I don't know whether this is a deciding factor for you guys, but the mounts for dwarves are personal gyrocopters.
Just throwing that out there. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Morfiend on August 21, 2008, 04:06:54 PM If anyone is interested, I am bringing a bunch of the guys from my WoW guild over to WAR. Hat and Jayce where both in it, so they know some of the people. It is looking like we are playing Order.
If anyone is interested shoot me a PM. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Triforcer on August 21, 2008, 04:30:49 PM If anyone is interested, I am bringing a bunch of the guys from my WoW guild over to WAR. Hat and Jayce where both in it, so they know some of the people. It is looking like we are playing Order. If anyone is interested shoot me a PM. If I was in an order guild, I'd want to play a witch hunter- but that class will be filled with 100s of twelve year olds, along with the Bright Wizards. And I pretty much hate all other Order classes. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Rasix on August 21, 2008, 04:38:19 PM If anyone is interested, I am bringing a bunch of the guys from my WoW guild over to WAR. Hat and Jayce where both in it, so they know some of the people. It is looking like we are playing Order. If anyone is interested shoot me a PM. Tempting. But Order? Gyah. ELF LIONS. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Morfiend on August 21, 2008, 04:39:28 PM I am predicting that the majority of "those kinds" of players will go Marauder and Dark Elf, and the ones that are left will be White Lions and Shadow Warriors.
Personally I am planning on playing a Warrior Priest. I will also end up making an alt on another server for Destruction and playing Zealot I think. Just cause I have had a mancrush on Chaos ever since I was a kid playing the Tabletop Warhammer. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Morfiend on August 21, 2008, 04:40:38 PM If anyone is interested, I am bringing a bunch of the guys from my WoW guild over to WAR. Hat and Jayce where both in it, so they know some of the people. It is looking like we are playing Order. If anyone is interested shoot me a PM. Tempting. But Order? Gyah. ELF LIONS. I agree about Elf Lions, but I am more BURN, PURGE CLEANSE. Bring Truth to the Heretic With Fire And Steel! Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Morfiend on August 21, 2008, 04:42:36 PM Oh yeah, and the fact that in every poll and server population so far has had at best 60:40 Destruction:Order population imbalance. Do you really want to play in the "OMG EVIL!!! SPIKES AND SKULLZ WE ARE EVIL!!! LOLZ DEATHZOR!!!" zerg? Thats my main motivation for going Order.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Fordel on August 21, 2008, 04:43:54 PM If I pick it up, I'll probably be an Archmage or a Runepriest. Someone has to rez all the Witch hunters and White lions. :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: rattran on August 21, 2008, 06:14:40 PM They need Skaven. I mean, it'd be no worse shitting on the lore than having Greenskins and Dark Elves teaming up together.
Give me a Jezzail or Warpfire Thrower and I'll be happy, no matter how dull the game is. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Ingmar on August 21, 2008, 06:16:56 PM Oh yeah, and the fact that in every poll and server population so far has had at best 60:40 Destruction:Order population imbalance. Do you really want to play in the "OMG EVIL!!! SPIKES AND SKULLZ WE ARE EVIL!!! LOLZ DEATHZOR!!!" zerg? Thats my main motivation for going Order. This won't stop me from rolling Order (I go where dwarves are, period) but these polls don't matter much. It was the same thing with WoW - website polls were all ORCS UNDEAD RAWR CRUSH and then the game released and everyone made night elf hunters. Order will have generally more people for the same reason the Alb zerg was huge in DAOC and the same reason Alliance has more people in WoW. Heck in a sense its why PotBS was overrun with British Navy and Pirates. People are attracted to the 'hero of the story' types more than they are anything else. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 21, 2008, 09:29:21 PM Oh yeah, and the fact that in every poll and server population so far has had at best 60:40 Destruction:Order population imbalance. Do you really want to play in the "OMG EVIL!!! SPIKES AND SKULLZ WE ARE EVIL!!! LOLZ DEATHZOR!!!" zerg? Thats my main motivation for going Order. This. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Calantus on August 21, 2008, 10:25:35 PM Oh yeah, and the fact that in every poll and server population so far has had at best 60:40 Destruction:Order population imbalance. Do you really want to play in the "OMG EVIL!!! SPIKES AND SKULLZ WE ARE EVIL!!! LOLZ DEATHZOR!!!" zerg? Thats my main motivation for going Order. This won't stop me from rolling Order (I go where dwarves are, period) but these polls don't matter much. It was the same thing with WoW - website polls were all ORCS UNDEAD RAWR CRUSH and then the game released and everyone made night elf hunters. Order will have generally more people for the same reason the Alb zerg was huge in DAOC and the same reason Alliance has more people in WoW. Heck in a sense its why PotBS was overrun with British Navy and Pirates. People are attracted to the 'hero of the story' types more than they are anything else. But most PVP servers are horde-heavy or balanced. It's the PVEers that roll alliance much more often, and I doubt WAR is going to have a whole lot of PVE only players. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Fordel on August 21, 2008, 10:39:56 PM There's nothing PvE only about the PvE servers in WoW though. Tons and Tons of people on PvE servers will engage in WoW's PvP. As evidenced by the pre BG-Clustering Queue times :ye_gods:
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Calantus on August 21, 2008, 10:43:01 PM 0 battlegrounds at release. For a long time the only PVP outside of duels and the occasional flagged guy was to be had on the PVP servers.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Fordel on August 21, 2008, 10:51:14 PM Or the massive TM Zergs going back and forth.
Those happened on PvE servers too :grin: Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: UnSub on August 21, 2008, 11:21:52 PM How they actually PLAY is irrelevant. Just how they appear/feel. Smiting the wicked also means smiting your own people in the Warhammer universe (think Witch Hunter). I.e. the concept of "lawful good" doesn't really apply in the WH world. At best you have people that are "lawful neutral". E.g. the Bretonnians aka your "knights in shining armor" use their slaves as cannon fodder. That's hardly "Paladin-like" behavior.Shining Warrior in Armor? Smiting the Wicked? Defending the Weak? General Anti Undead/Demon shenanigans? People play Paladins or the nearest Paladin class in spite of mechanics, not because of them. They're attracted to : "Where is your faith on this dark day? Chaos rides against you – will you let these beasts destroy your hearths and homes, or will you trust in Sigmar and fight? Forward men, and drive back this Chaos rabble! For the Empire! For Sigmar!" The Myth and the Ideal. As Trippy said, in WH smiting the wicked might mean burning down an entire village of otherwise innocent people - you wouldn't want the taint of Chaos to spread, would you? I picked Destruction - that is such a better fit for F13. However, if Order was the way to go... Witch Hunter. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: stu on August 21, 2008, 11:25:52 PM Oh yeah, and the fact that in every poll and server population so far has had at best 60:40 Destruction:Order population imbalance. Do you really want to play in the "OMG EVIL!!! SPIKES AND SKULLZ WE ARE EVIL!!! LOLZ DEATHZOR!!!" zerg? Thats my main motivation for going Order. This. Seconded. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Rasix on August 22, 2008, 12:23:48 AM I have great faith in the gibbering, mouth breathing public to flock to humans and sissy elves. I suppose the dark elves provide some sort of Drizzt counterbalance. Dwarves are universally unpopular by most standards. Evil in PVP is a draw, but then all cream puff pvers and role play gimplets will flock to their white lions.
Like the subscription numbers (I'm not a big fan and even I have some moderate expectation this game will do well), I'm kind of at loss as to what will occur here. I've been on huge underpopulated horde realms most of my time in WoW and my short time in DAoC was on Mid when they were the bitch realm. :| Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: caladein on August 22, 2008, 01:17:41 AM Horde balance issues on PvP servers basically disappeared with Blood Elves.
Destruction's Elves aren't as well rounded as Blood Elves are (no tank, and lol DoK as a healer), but this is also a much more PvP-marketed game and they're in from the start. Also, they're half-naked which is a boon. I :heart: Rune Priest though, so what the hell do I know? Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: amiable on August 22, 2008, 04:55:50 AM Yeah sign me up for a runepriest or zealot as well (preferably runepriest). I had a terriic time on mine...
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Oz on August 22, 2008, 07:00:53 AM I don't care which side I play. both sides have a decent melee/healer option. which, if i'm going to be a healer, is what i want. Fuck healing in tissue paper. Wow taught me to hate that when it comes to pvp.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 22, 2008, 09:44:13 AM I'm here to wave around the Order flag some more.
Who has questions about Order? I will answer them. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Triforcer on August 22, 2008, 10:36:31 AM I'm here to wave around the Order flag some more. Who has questions about Order? I will answer them. I've heard there is a serious, serious lack of tanks on order side (I've just played destro in beta). And it seems like half the BGs I am in are 50% BW, 30% WP, and the rest are mostly witch hunters. Is Ironbreaker really that bad? Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: amiable on August 22, 2008, 10:40:34 AM I'm here to wave around the Order flag some more. Who has questions about Order? I will answer them. I've heard there is a serious, serious lack of tanks on order side (I've just played destro in beta). And it seems like half the BGs I am in are 50% BW, 30% WP, and the rest are mostly witch hunters. Is Ironbreaker really that bad? I think part of it is they look like a barrell with legs. The destruction side tanks meanwhile look badass. Their "oath-friend" mechanic is also rather meh, and requires an annoyingly high amount of micromanagement to be really useful. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: rattran on August 22, 2008, 10:44:40 AM Don't forget the High Elf tank, with the pain-in-the-ass 'Sword Dance' stuff. Whatever instant effect you need in pvp is guaranteed to not be available in the stance you're in currently. And at least up to level 24 (when I tried something else) you're wearing a dress.
Neat idea, stupid execution. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 22, 2008, 10:55:16 AM I'm here to wave around the Order flag some more. Who has questions about Order? I will answer them. I've heard there is a serious, serious lack of tanks on order side (I've just played destro in beta). And it seems like half the BGs I am in are 50% BW, 30% WP, and the rest are mostly witch hunters. Is Ironbreaker really that bad? The High Elf 'balance' stuff is the EXACT same mechanic as the Black Orc 'plans'. Ironbreakers are the counterpart to the Chosen - Ironbreakers are tanks with defensive support, Chosen are tanks with offensive support. I honestly don't think a lack of tanks will be an issue on Order. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Ingmar on August 22, 2008, 11:07:30 AM Oh yeah, and the fact that in every poll and server population so far has had at best 60:40 Destruction:Order population imbalance. Do you really want to play in the "OMG EVIL!!! SPIKES AND SKULLZ WE ARE EVIL!!! LOLZ DEATHZOR!!!" zerg? Thats my main motivation for going Order. This won't stop me from rolling Order (I go where dwarves are, period) but these polls don't matter much. It was the same thing with WoW - website polls were all ORCS UNDEAD RAWR CRUSH and then the game released and everyone made night elf hunters. Order will have generally more people for the same reason the Alb zerg was huge in DAOC and the same reason Alliance has more people in WoW. Heck in a sense its why PotBS was overrun with British Navy and Pirates. People are attracted to the 'hero of the story' types more than they are anything else. But most PVP servers are horde-heavy or balanced. It's the PVEers that roll alliance much more often, and I doubt WAR is going to have a whole lot of PVE only players. That doesn't explain the Albion problem (or the British Navy problem.) *Every* server in DAOC was a PVP server, and everyone still flocked to the paladins. You may very well see an imbalance in favor of Destruction on open servers, much like you get more Horde on PVP servers, but I'm still betting on Order for core. I'm also betting few people by comparison are attracted to the open ruleset, since it kinda sucks. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: gehrig38 on August 22, 2008, 11:09:59 AM Was hoping you guys were going order, destruction seems to be getting the liions share...
Pun intended btw as I can't get past the white lion stuff and think that's going to be the class I start off with. BTW the cinematic was just incredible. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Rasix on August 22, 2008, 11:16:32 AM Quote Pun intended btw as I can't get past the white lion stuff and think that's going to be the class I start off with. Don't be that guy! And yes, that cinematic was very good. Seemed to be a little order slanted. I tried a runepriest today. Almost nice to see a class without some sort of wonky mechanic attached to it. Pretty much your standard healer, but instacast dot + direct heals are great to have in PVP. It's amusing pving with a giant fucking "kill me" sign on your back, but at least as a healer you're productive at any level in the scenarios. Heh, I like playing DPS classes, but for whatever reason I end up being drawn to healers in pvp just because I see the need. Tank is less likely because I hate tanking (well mostly pulling) in PVE. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Triforcer on August 22, 2008, 11:23:17 AM Was hoping you guys were going order, destruction seems to be getting the liions share... Pun intended btw as I can't get past the white lion stuff and think that's going to be the class I start off with. I hope you aren't planning on using your actual lion. Pathing is, to put it mildly, not ideal for either WL or SHs. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Merusk on August 22, 2008, 11:45:57 AM I hope you aren't planning on using your actual lion. Pathing is, to put it mildly, not ideal for either WL or SHs. Wait.. there's Pathing in the game? :awesome_for_real: (I played a WL in beta a few times. They're interesting at high level.) I've heard there is a serious, serious lack of tanks on order side (I've just played destro in beta). And it seems like half the BGs I am in are 50% BW, 30% WP, and the rest are mostly witch hunters. Is Ironbreaker really that bad? The lack of tanks is probably because BWs are still horribly imbalanced and broken. I expect them to remain this way for a long time, as they were throughout beta despite many "hey, wtf" posts. I understand WPs are popular because they hold their own solo very well. I wouldn't know as my one tussle with the melee-helaer was DoK and it sucked being the healer who has to run into not only caster but melee range to have points you can heal with. Hardcore sucked. I've avoided both the classes since then. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 22, 2008, 11:55:33 AM I think if people posted metrics of servers, the server names and which uberguilds are playing where, the poll here would be much different. I'm more of a fan of picking something as a reaction to everyone else playing. Frankly though, Neither order nor destro is good in WH, as in, they're both evil as fuck compared to "good" in any other game. So I don't care.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Sjofn on August 22, 2008, 12:03:18 PM Plus, dwarves are even more gay than elves. That is madness speaking. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: ajax34i on August 22, 2008, 12:05:49 PM BTW the cinematic was just incredible. Cinematic looked good but all the actors in that movie had one script: enter field of view (with a flourish or with humour), perform one ability, then die in some gruesome way. TTL = 20 seconds. The whole movie seemed to illustrate a pointlessness to PVP that goes against the MMO theme of creating a character, building it up, and accomplishing something with it. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Triforcer on August 22, 2008, 12:10:38 PM What, you didn't notice that the Bright Wizard respawned? :awesome_for_real: Seems accurate to me.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: kildorn on August 22, 2008, 12:11:20 PM BTW the cinematic was just incredible. Cinematic looked good but all the actors in that movie had one script: enter field of view (with a flourish or with humour), perform one ability, then die in some gruesome way. TTL = 20 seconds. The whole movie seemed to illustrate a pointlessness to PVP that goes against the MMO theme of creating a character, building it up, and accomplishing something with it. This is GW's world. For the most part, people show up, and promptly get murdered by some unspeakable evil. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 22, 2008, 12:55:20 PM Keep on keepin' on for Order, says I.
4 votes to go! Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Mrbloodworth on August 22, 2008, 12:56:59 PM Just have one guild on each side, and grind each other.
Bat. And. Country. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 22, 2008, 01:01:18 PM I revoted. The order people seem more PASSIONATE.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 22, 2008, 01:01:56 PM I revoted. The order people seem more PASSIONATE. It's the Latin heritage. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: murdoc on August 22, 2008, 01:11:12 PM I think you all should roll Order so I can battle Bat Country for the 2 weeks that's in existance.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: tazelbain on August 22, 2008, 01:11:49 PM Just have one guild on each side, and grind each other. We have a hard enough time keep our numbers up with just one guild. Splitting us up over two is just hurting our selves more.Bat. And. Country. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: tazelbain on August 22, 2008, 02:24:44 PM We should go Destro because:
a) Order is going to be the zerg realm z) tiger-fucking elves are wrong regardless of the propaganda. &) BW, WL, WH are going to attract the most obnoxious players. b) The Raven God is a glorious Being generously bringing Change to the undeserving world. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 22, 2008, 02:30:11 PM We should go Destro because: a) Order is going to be the zerg realm z) tiger-fucking elves are wrong regardless of the propaganda. &) BW, WL, WH are going to attract the most obnoxious players. I think it depends on the server. Quote b) The Raven God is a glorious Being generously bringing Change to the undeserving world. This is reasoning I can agree with.Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 22, 2008, 02:49:59 PM One thing to note is that the mechanics between the two sides share similarities.
There's no crazy unique mechanic that one side has that the other does not. The Rune Priest and Zealot are the same. The Warrior Priest and the Disciple are the same. The Black Orc and the Swordmaster are the same. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 22, 2008, 02:52:21 PM We should go Destro because: a) Order is going to be the zerg realm Not in beta, it's not. WoW has made the bad guys cool in a lot of people's eyes. Quote z) tiger-fucking elves are wrong regardless of the propaganda. Eh. Quote &) BW, WL, WH are going to attract the most obnoxious players. And Marauder, Witch Elf, and Sorceress won't? Quote b) The Raven God is a glorious Being generously bringing Change to the undeserving world. Burn, heretic. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Morfiend on August 22, 2008, 03:06:51 PM I predicted that White Lion would be the most populated class. So far in all of beta it is the class I have seen the least of. Marauder is probably leading my personal most played class list.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Sjofn on August 22, 2008, 03:09:06 PM See, to me, skanky dark elves are far more obnoxious by merely existing than any goofy white lion-ish class.
I also almost hope Order IS the zerg realm. On my Dark Age server (Igraine), Midgard never really got a zerg going. I LONG TO JOIN ONE. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Tannhauser on August 22, 2008, 03:21:20 PM No preference here. I'm going to be Priest/Disciple depending on which side we are on.
I'm on my 4th try downloading the preview weekend. sigh... Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Merusk on August 22, 2008, 04:39:14 PM Quote &) BW, WL, WH are going to attract the most obnoxious players. And Marauder, Witch Elf, and Sorceress won't? The devil is in the details here. I don't know specifics on the WH vs the WE, but on Sorc vs BW, the BW had a LOT more instant attacks, letting them spam keys much quicker to do more damage in a shorter time. They also had more synergies than the Sorc. The sorc's big spell, that aoe field, was also nerfed to hell and back at the same time. Granted, this was a few builds ago before I got bored of the game, but if BWs are still so wildly popular, I don't imagine they got a big working-over. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 22, 2008, 04:52:19 PM Quote &) BW, WL, WH are going to attract the most obnoxious players. And Marauder, Witch Elf, and Sorceress won't? The devil is in the details here. I don't know specifics on the WH vs the WE, but on Sorc vs BW, the BW had a LOT more instant attacks, letting them spam keys much quicker to do more damage in a shorter time. They also had more synergies than the Sorc. The sorc's big spell, that aoe field, was also nerfed to hell and back at the same time. Granted, this was a few builds ago before I got bored of the game, but if BWs are still so wildly popular, I don't imagine they got a big working-over. http://www.wardb.com/search.aspx?browse=6.1.11 - Bright Wizard instant cast offensive abilities = 9 http://www.wardb.com/search.aspx?browse=6.1.24 - Sorcerer instant cast offensive abilities = 9 Hm. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Goreschach on August 22, 2008, 05:01:49 PM I throw in my vote for Order. I'm thinking, like others here, that order will have a lower concentration of fuckwits.
On that same note, would it be possible for the guild to be on one of the RP servers? I've found playing on those tends to(slightly) decrease said fuckwits. Or at least make GM's change their names. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Nonentity on August 22, 2008, 05:03:10 PM I throw in my vote for Order. I'm thinking, like others here, that order will have a lower concentration of fuckwits. Thank you. Quote On that same note, would it be possible for the guild to be on one of the RP servers? I've found playing on those tends to(slightly) decrease said fuckwits. Or at least make GM's change their names. However, get out. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 22, 2008, 05:08:25 PM I like Order. Fuck Chaos. Those guys parade around like assholes.
But I don't like white lions. Too many. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 23, 2008, 04:38:11 AM Played a shitload tonight. Order was more organized, destro was more zergy. Almost nobody ever talked, so I can't speak for that, but destro definitely outweighed order and had a ton more keeps. At this point, given the number of people outside f13 that want to play Order and how much more dedicated they are, I'm tempted to just say we're going Order. Also, you see a lot of white lions in the start city, not so bad once you get out. Not as many squig herders on the other side as I suspected, but at low level those goddamn squigs are dangerous. Anyway, just got all my tier 2 stuff. I look like a badass, will clean clocks tomorrow.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Tannhauser on August 23, 2008, 03:34:03 PM Haven't seen many WL on my server Todbringer, lots of SW, which I was playing. Decent class. Order is fine with me, I get to shout about Sigmar and carry a heathen-bashin' hammer.
Yeah not too much talking yet. I played a Chosen to 5th and there was the most talking there, even if most of it was some 9yr old who was upset his mutated arms didn't wtfpwn at lvl 1. Saw lots of Marauders and Magus there, then Chosen and finally a smattering of Zealots. Great starting zone, full of atmosphere. I've never gotten a Warrior in WoW above 12th but I could see me playing the Chosen at release; unlike the skating elves, he feels solid running on the ground and I dig the avatar. I'm still just playing toons up to 5th; so far got SW, Chosen, BW (zomg), DK (hey Disciple of Khaine has the same initials as EQ's Death Knight!) but couldn't stand Shaman past 3rd. I think Healers are gonna be very very rare. Ok back to the game, hmm havent' tried a rogue class yet... Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Wasted on August 23, 2008, 04:08:11 PM I didn't vote because I don't know whether I will join Bat Country or an Aussie guild if I know anyone else that will pick up the game (which it doesn't look like I will).
And as the only person probably who hasn't played a lick of Beta I would probably just choose chaos because I still have some residue teen angst in my system that prefers the aesthetic, but as I have played horde in WoW the last three years I should really challenge myself so would be secretly happy to be forced to play some righteous goody char. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: amiable on August 23, 2008, 07:15:18 PM Are there going to be any qualifications when the game goes live? I would like to bring my wife and two friends over from blood keep...
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Triforcer on August 23, 2008, 07:23:13 PM I've changed my mind. I want to play the side that doesn't crash me to desktop every 30 minutes. Please to be telling me which side this is.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Hawkbit on August 23, 2008, 08:08:35 PM I've changed my mind. I want to play the side that doesn't crash me to desktop every 30 minutes. Please to be telling me which side this is. I don't get it. I've been playing for 30 hours over the past 10 days and I've yet to ctd. The only 'crash' I had was tonight when my internet went out for 2-3 minutes. Do a full file scan off the first pop-up window, that might help. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Kail on August 23, 2008, 08:10:56 PM On that same note, would it be possible for the guild to be on one of the RP servers? I've found playing on those tends to(slightly) decrease said fuckwits. Or at least make GM's change their names. I like the idea of being on an RP server, even if in practice, most RP is like some ungodly hybrid of the worst elements of Fan Fiction and Cybersex. But if there's any server where Order is going to outnumber Chaos, it's going to be an RP server. And all the "*giggle* oops my dress fell orf mylourde *wiiiiink*" crap is going to be Order side, which means we won't be able to thump them unless we go Chaos. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: UnSub on August 23, 2008, 10:30:25 PM Unless they do it in the name of god. Is it in the name of god? I only know wh40k. And even then, only a little. To go back to this point, in Warhammer the Gods of Order are just as bad as the Gods of Chaos, but in different ways. WARNING: Lore incoming: (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?s=2451d353759586e7b0ea969bff255b5c&t=45615) Quote III. The Gods of Law - Alluminas, Solkan and Arianka The Gods of Law, or Gods of Order, are the antipole to the Chaos Gods in Warhammer lore. Due to their abstract nature and their rigid and merciless views, they do not enjoy great popularity within the human realms. These Gods are: - Alluminas, God and Enlightenment and the Lord of the eternal and unalterable light which separates truth from falsehood, rendering anything it touches unchanging and unmoving. - Arianka, the Goddess of Law, carrying out her sentence with a sword made of Laihtero crystal. This crystal is said to have been created as a reaction to the existence of Warpstone. Legends tell that while this crystal shines on anything in the mortal plane, it will not change in any way. Ironically, when she was defeated by Tzeentch, he imprisoned her in a crystal coffing made of just this material. The coffin is hidden somewhere in the Old World. Legends tell of seven crystal keys able to open her prison, and her remaining followers hunt tirelessly for them. - Solkan, the God of the Sun and God of Vengeance. He is the first Witch Hunters and Inquisitor, never stopping in his hunt to destroy all Chaotic forces with his flaming sword. He is worshipped primarily in Estalia, though he has some fanatical followers among the Witch Hunters in the Empire as well, though they are looked down upon for their radicalness and intransigence. There is only one known Greater Daemon of the Gods of Order: Viydagg, also called the Elemental of Life. She appears as a young woman ten foot tall, with flowing robes and streaming hair, her whole body covered in petals. Daemons of Chaos are said to be shocked when he appears, while other beings are gripped by pure, animalistic fear. She is said to be immune to all non-magical attacks and supposedly, all ethereal beings such as ghosts will be banished when in her presence, as well as every kind of animated dead. A final victory of the Gods of Law over Chaos is as undesirable as a victory of the Chaos Gods, as it would lead to a world without any change, a world standing still in which all life would be suffocated in static, inflexible structures. Solkan is as close as it comes to a Paladin-esque God, but he's still not someone to feel good about following. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 23, 2008, 10:57:41 PM If these splits stay the same at retail, then I think order is the wya to go, but I'm reading about everything before we pick something. The vote is too close to futz around with.
http://www.wardb.com/search.aspx?browse=119#servers:0+4+1+3+2 Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Falwell on August 24, 2008, 12:02:39 AM Our crew is almost definitely going Order. Everything my guys have seen in game and otherwise makes Order the more attractive faction at this point. Much quicker scenario queues, more mature and organized play, many more team oriented players rather than me, myself and I's.
If you gents end up going order as well, I'll see if we can match servers so we have a nice herd to run with most evenings. Then betray you to chaos. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Goreschach on August 24, 2008, 12:07:22 AM On that same note, would it be possible for the guild to be on one of the RP servers? I've found playing on those tends to(slightly) decrease said fuckwits. Or at least make GM's change their names. I like the idea of being on an RP server, even if in practice, most RP is like some ungodly hybrid of the worst elements of Fan Fiction and Cybersex. But if there's any server where Order is going to outnumber Chaos, it's going to be an RP server. And all the "*giggle* oops my dress fell orf mylourde *wiiiiink*" crap is going to be Order side, which means we won't be able to thump them unless we go Chaos. I always play on RP servers, and I can 100% guarantee you that all roleplaying you find on the server is more like a hybrid between Santa Claus and the flat earth. All RP means is that you'll see slightly less bullshit and leet speak in the open channels while you're trying to figure out how to mute those channels, that the guilds will in general be a bit more organized while still somehow managing to suck more in rvr, and that the RP server will absolutely be the only one in the entire game without a warrior priest named 'lovestospooge'. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: Zetor on August 24, 2008, 02:40:25 AM Yeah, my guild's going order too... not because of elves, but because of dwarves (sorry, dwarfs). 'Cos dorfs are awesome. Not gnome awesome, but awesome.
I wish the hammerer wasn't cut... /sadface -- Z. Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 24, 2008, 03:59:28 AM I will be discussing which way Bat Country will go whenever I can get Tazelbain and Nonentity online at the same time.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: tazelbain on August 24, 2008, 10:50:48 AM I looked for you guys in-game last night didn't see ya. Only saw Lum and DQ. I don't have steam. I did group with Sjofn tho.
Title: Re: Bat Country: Order or Destruction? Post by: schild on August 24, 2008, 10:29:24 PM See the new forums.
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