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Title: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Ookii on June 23, 2008, 09:00:36 AM
And when will you start?

I notice that lately BC consists of:

Rattran
Schild
Muffin
Furio
Gauloc
Nalas

and a couple other people I probably missed.

So where are the rest of you fuckers?  Have you stopped playing entirely or are you waiting for some sort of miracle patch?  This of course applies to Zug and not Cimmeria or whatever the SoTM happens to be.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Bunk on June 23, 2008, 09:05:37 AM
Re-rolls, figuring out what class I like. Didn't help that the server crash Sunday morning ate one of my rerolls. Won't invite them in to the guild until I've played them a little first.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Nebu on June 23, 2008, 09:07:32 AM
Is anyone going to be left when I get around to actually playing this game?

 :tantrum:


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Viin on June 23, 2008, 09:13:31 AM
See what happens when you take to long to get into a game? Shees.

I'm actually play on the PVP-RP server. (And EVE).


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Venkman on June 23, 2008, 09:17:39 AM
I moved over to Cimmerian. I'm playing nightly, and just stuffed the beast onto my work laptop, so during lunch too.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Rasix on June 23, 2008, 09:34:45 AM
Cancelled (1 day before being charged, woot)

1.  I will not grind for advancement.  According to everything I've read, there are still gaping holes in the quest based progression.
2.  Let's be honest here, the game still runs like a fucking pig.  WoW does not suffer from these peformance issues even remotely.  Yes, I know, you can make the game "playable", but this type of performance in a MMO is not acceptable.  :nda: doesn't have this sort of problem either.  They may look terrible in comparison, but beauty only gets you so far.
3.  Game's not finished.  I see little reason to play this game at max level.  See 1, 4.
4.  Bat Country has no stickiness for me. Parallel play.  :|
5.  I'm not going to PVP in order to make a game interesting.  I'm going to avoid insulting anyone here.

I like the game.  The combat mechanics are great, the world is well done, the audio and visual aspects are fantastic, but ultimately, it fails as a MMO for me.  I may still be subbed if two of my friends hadn't resubbed to WoW, but I have a soft rule about not having 2 MMO subs going at the same time.  AoC would have still likely lost in the end.

I can see myself giving this another shot.. in like.. a while. WoLK will make giving this another shot in 6 months not feasible.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Mrbloodworth on June 23, 2008, 09:55:58 AM
I'm on a RP-PvP server.

Still paying when i get the time, however, i knew going in that the game would need some more time to shape up. Again, they got fun right, just needs more fixes and content. You cant really patch in Fun.  :grin:


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: cevik on June 23, 2008, 09:57:10 AM
Cancelled (1 day before being charged, woot)

1.  I will not grind for advancement.  According to everything I've read, there are still gaping holes in the quest based progression.

I hit 56 last night and took a screenshot of my quest log (though I'm at work so I can't post it) because it's full.

Granted 2 or so of the quests are green, but the rest are yellow orange or red.  A few are group quests for the cistern, which I probably won't do.  I'm having a very hard time so far finding the "gaping holes" in the quest based progression.  Maybe it's just me.

I do the villas occasionally when I get bored of regular advancement.  Mostly because I've now gotten about 5 gold from selling various blue drops from the villas on the AH.  I usually get at least 1 and sometimes 2 blues per villa.  So perhaps that's giving simply a HUGE advantage over everyone else.  Or maybe the gaping hole will be in the 60s (thus far I was told, when I was in the 30s "just wait until you're 40".. then when I hit 40 I was told "just wait till 50", so I assume now that I'm nearing 60 it will be "just wait till 60").


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Jamiko on June 23, 2008, 10:08:08 AM
I play almost every night but nobody else is ever on.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Nonentity on June 23, 2008, 10:16:27 AM
I'm playing DotA again.

Then again, I'm on another server, so... yeah.

 :uhrr:


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Morfiend on June 23, 2008, 10:27:18 AM
F13 Guild Syndrome strikes again.

:ye_gods:


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: schild on June 23, 2008, 10:28:24 AM
I'm still playing. And leveling pretty fucking quickly. I had to stall to let Ookii catch up.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Special J on June 23, 2008, 10:49:05 AM
Not gone, just not able to play much of anything for a little while.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Soukyan on June 23, 2008, 11:18:44 AM
Is anyone going to be left when I get around to actually playing this game?

 :tantrum:

I'm not playing until I upgrade my computer, which will not be until September at the earliest. So, I will be around in the winter if that's when you get around to playing.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Brogarn on June 23, 2008, 11:29:59 AM
Loved the classes, the look of the game, the feel of the quests, all that. I canceled for two reasons, though:

Got way too absorbed and spent far more time in game than I did with my fiance. That's just not good. And no, she didn't bring it up, I just realized it one evening when I looked over and saw how absolutely bored she was watching TV.

The road ahead of questing and grinding kind of turned me off anyways. Think my break from this genre needs to be for a little longer, possibly permanently.

In the meantime, I finally picked up Mass Effect for the PC. Good game and being able to pause to talk with the woman or do whatever is double plus good. Also picking up a D&D style board game called Runebound that takes 4-5 hours to complete and playing it with her has for some reason, put me in the most highest of graces. It's not even a genre she likes. I guess she just likes spending time with me. Go figure.

So, ya, real life had me quit.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: rattran on June 23, 2008, 11:57:32 AM
I haven't played for the last few days due to nasty, nasty allergies. I don't know what's blooming around here, but it needs to die.
I'm feeling slightly more human at this point, and will probably log in to see all the changes.

And Cevik: Put some money in the guild bank! We need MOAR BILDINS!


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: cevik on June 23, 2008, 11:58:09 AM
I haven't played for the last few days due to nasty, nasty allergies. I don't know what's blooming around here, but it needs to die.
I'm feeling slightly more human at this point, and will probably log in to see all the changes.

And Cevik: Put some money in the guild bank! We need MOAR BILDINS!

I'm on a different server and in a different guild! :)


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: NiX on June 23, 2008, 12:14:18 PM
When I realized the quest grind was the same old thing, I canceled.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cyrrex on June 23, 2008, 12:33:37 PM
I'm trying to put a couple hours in a day, but I'm currently allergic to not playing MGS4 right now.  Too many games, so little fucking time.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Simond on June 23, 2008, 01:06:10 PM
F13 Guild Syndrome strikes again.

:ye_gods:

Nah, I've seen versions of this thread on other boards. Don't hate the playa etc.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: bhodikhan on June 23, 2008, 01:09:11 PM
I got tired of running all over and watching that damn loading screen.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Tebonas on June 23, 2008, 01:33:31 PM
Once you get past the novelty of the three attack buttons, the game is actually just as boring as any other MMOG.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: schild on June 23, 2008, 01:34:49 PM
After you get past the novelty of 3 attack buttons you start playing a PoM or ToS ^_^


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: rattran on June 23, 2008, 01:42:27 PM
5 attack buttons, and there's a pair of lines in the prefs file you can use to cut 7 secs off the loading screens. For some reason it defaults to 2 sec fade in, and 5 sec fade out.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: ShenMolo on June 23, 2008, 01:56:24 PM
1. Got to 40 with a toon and got bored with it. Looking towards endgame and seeing nothing killed my buzz for leveling. Which led to:
2. Alts get old after the 4th or 5th time. I should have skipped the beta. A wider selection of starting areas and more zones to explore in each level range would help.
3. The fact that crafting, massive PvP, & city building are all broken or useless killed my motivation. Even raiding is supposedly a mess.

My mojo for new games is short lived unless they are truly amazing (and how many MMO's have been truly amazing in the last 8 years?). I think it's because I'm getting old.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Ookii on June 23, 2008, 02:17:53 PM
What's lovely is that when all of this crap is fixed you guys will still be level 40, what's the point of waiting for Massive PvP if everyone attacking you is going to be 80.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Rasix on June 23, 2008, 02:24:23 PM
What's lovely is that when all of this crap is fixed you guys will still be level 40, what's the point of waiting for Massive PvP if everyone attacking you is going to be 80.

:roll:

Edit: Keep trying to come up with more to say.  But that'll have to suffice.  Just too many things wrong with that statement. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Slyfeind on June 23, 2008, 02:41:05 PM
I like to wait 6 months to a year after an MMO launches. If people are still excited about it, then I am too.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Morfiend on June 23, 2008, 02:42:09 PM
What's lovely is that when all of this crap is fixed you guys will still be level 40, what's the point of waiting for Massive PvP if everyone attacking you is going to be 80.

:roll:

Edit: Keep trying to come up with more to say.  But that'll have to suffice.  Just too many things wrong with that statement. 

No no. He is saying its a good idea. Cause they will be 40 and have a bunch of cool quests to do, and lots of content. Right? Right?


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Tarami on June 23, 2008, 03:12:39 PM
Well... I'm not playing with you guys, but thought I would share my reasons anyways;

1) Several core gameplay decisions that makes it play un-massively.

2) Quest grind. Actually I could live with that if I knew something really great was ahead, but currently there is naught and I'm not going to suffer through it hoping in promises. I've done that too many times before, only to receive zilch.

3) Character attributes, mob abilities and the general power curve just feels wonky. Aside moving its shields, it doesn't feel like I'm interacting with hand-tuned mobs when I'm out bashing things. Somehow it's like they added half a dozen attack buttons but forgot what makes combat interesting in all the dikus that don't got those attack buttons. I can't discern the difference between a boar and a highwayman except for furriness. Highwaymen rarely shave.

4) This is going to sound ungrateful, but the "mature" content. It's not mature at all, it's juvanile. The tenth wench/character of questionable sexual standards I met made me go "Oh fuck it" and just skip all quest text henceforth. I'm sure there's plenty of good quest "dialogue" past the point I played, but large parts of the game script took the scenic route through Titsville and got drooled all over.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 23, 2008, 03:18:16 PM
Oh come on! you can totally cut motherfuckers heads off and be a wicked barbarian! and tits! my god dude it's got tits, of course it's ADULTS ONLY. it is clear they made this game mature and FOR an adult and mature audience, clearly. When that whore mentions her quivering thighs you know that no one under 18 will appreciate it.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Bunk on June 23, 2008, 05:42:55 PM
But, but... tits!?

I just find it funny that half the complaints are related to the game being, well, an MMoG. I mean really, what is it you are expecting if you don't want Quest Grind or PVP. Pointless Mob grind? It's an MMoG for fuck's sake.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Signe on June 23, 2008, 05:59:26 PM
I had to choose pay and crash or bugger off and keep my money so I buggered off.  I never got better after that Monday patch that gave me crashitis.  Oh well.  I wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway.  I know me.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cheddar on June 23, 2008, 06:19:18 PM
I am playing - but had to upgrade first, and was busy the last few days.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: d4rkj3di on June 23, 2008, 06:21:37 PM
5 attack buttons, and there's a pair of lines in the prefs file you can use to cut 7 secs off the loading screens. For some reason it defaults to 2 sec fade in, and 5 sec fade out.
Found it

http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/Remove_Fading_Load_Screens


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: UnSub on June 23, 2008, 07:30:01 PM
I've got friends who are looking to sign up. Once they do, I'll join as well.

But it's been worth my time looking at these forums go from "AoC: It's really fun!" to "AoC: Meh".


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: squirrel on June 23, 2008, 07:31:45 PM
I've got friends who are looking to sign up. Once they do, I'll join as well.

But it's been worth my time looking at these forums go from "AoC: It's really fun!" to "AoC: Meh".

How's "AoC - Meh, it's really fun."

Me, I read the class forums. My bad. I'm letting that fade for a bit.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Lt.Dan on June 23, 2008, 07:46:49 PM
I've been playing on another server but I got distracted by watching 'Studio 60' on DVD.  If you like West Wing it's pretty entertaining.

Oh, and innovative combat my arse.  It's three auto-attack buttons instead of one.  The nice touch is being the hero and being able to take on 2-3 mobs at the same time. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Velorath on June 23, 2008, 08:17:41 PM
I picked up the game, played for a few weeks, and then stopped when I wasn't finding it fun anymore.  Can't really give much more of an explanation than that.  Just not looking to make a long term commitment to a video game.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on June 23, 2008, 10:44:10 PM
Edited off because I am tired.

Lt. Dan. you are wrong. That's it.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: lamaros on June 23, 2008, 10:52:22 PM
So how's the whole "telling other people what they're allowed to think" thing working out for you Falconeer? Do you die a little every time someone decides that they don't like AoC? Are you worried that your catass to 80 will be wasted if no one else cares about the game?

How about you go and enjoy the game you enjoy and stop telling everyone else they're not allowed to feel differently about it.

Edit: I see you've edited your post.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on June 23, 2008, 10:57:35 PM
Heh, Lamaros. It's just that saying "It's three auto-attack buttons instead of one." sounded unbearable.
Then you have your breakfast and everything looks different.
Still silly, but not unbearable anymore.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: lamaros on June 23, 2008, 11:03:22 PM
Heh, Lamaros. It's just that saying "It's three auto-attack buttons instead of one." sounded unbearable.
Then you have your breakfast and everything looks different.
Still silly, but not unbearable anymore.

I read it as "it's still repetitive and eh once you get past the novelty", not so literal.

People can read your comments about how it's good, and schild's, and slayer's, and so forth, and we can read comments from other people who think differently and make up our own minds. it doesn't require someone comming going "fuck off for not liking it, it rocks!" every time they do in order for us to have a balanced perspective. It just means we're less likely to give weight to the opinions of the people banging on about how you must love the game or else.

You like the game, some others not so much, but if you want to advertise it stop going on about how anyone who doesn't like it is broken and wrong and etc and just talk about why you do like it.

The reason I havn't given it a go is because I don't have a PC good enough to run it, btw. Though many aspects I've heard about indicate that I'd find it frustrating and quit once the novelty wore off.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Tebonas on June 23, 2008, 11:33:59 PM
I just find it funny that half the complaints are related to the game being, well, an MMoG. I mean really, what is it you are expecting if you don't want Quest Grind or PVP. Pointless Mob grind? It's an MMoG for fuck's sake.

I play all MMOGS I play until they bore me. I get about as much gameplay out of them as I do with an equally priced single player game (I barely go beyond the initial month). Works for me, because I avoid the grind by stopping to play once it starts.

So I got what I expected, thankyouverymuch.

Also, I'm not complaining. Somebody asks a question and I answered it.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on June 24, 2008, 12:00:53 AM
I am liking the game and I don't mind people don't liking it.

While I take so many chances to praise it, there's a difference between don't liking it and saying "It's three auto-attack buttons instead of one" or "content stops at 40". Lies, horrible misinformation. That is when you see me jump.

But hey, nothing a good breakfast or a nice PvP evening in the Border Kingdoms can't solve.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xerapis on June 24, 2008, 12:28:20 AM
I'd play if their support staff answered emails and fixed my fucking problem.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Tebonas on June 24, 2008, 12:50:15 AM
Obviously for you liking a game means playing it until the sun grows cold.

Me, I can like something for a few weeks and be done with it. Still liking the experience I had.

And "three attack buttons" is not the same as "three auto-attack buttons". So where did you come up with your version of the truth?


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on June 24, 2008, 01:20:10 AM
Are you talking to me Tebonas?
Because I wasn't talking to you. Three auto-attack buttons is something Lt. Dan said, not you.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Tebonas on June 24, 2008, 01:52:21 AM
Ah, what an unfortunate coincidence.

I browsed if everybody said that and read over it. Must be the Studio 60 reference that fried my brain.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Surlyboi on June 24, 2008, 03:41:04 AM
I like how the WoW fanboys hopped on this thread like vultures on a corpse. Only one we're missing now is jpark. But then, this isn't a "why aren't you playing EQ2 thread, so hey. That said, I'm still playing and I've got about six other people with me looking for an entre into the BC.

I'll be on today (Though, I have been slacking a bit due to GTA4.)




Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Brogarn on June 24, 2008, 03:46:59 AM
I never stopped liking the combat system. I never thought it got old. Sure, I only played for a month, but I still put in a lot of hours and most of that as some sort of melee. It was just plain fun and gave you feedback from your weapon swinging.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: lamaros on June 24, 2008, 04:01:42 AM
I like how the WoW fanboys hopped on this thread like vultures on a corpse.

That's an unfortunate metaphor.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: slog on June 24, 2008, 04:49:06 AM
I like how the WoW fanboys hopped on this thread like vultures on a corpse.

That's an unfortunate metaphor.

Made me laugh. 


on the 3 button thing,

From what I have read, it seems that most folks are just making macros for the 3 button auto attack.  It sort of reminds me of the WWII online combat system at release, where complexity to create an illusion of depth.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Dren on June 24, 2008, 05:11:02 AM
I like how the WoW fanboys hopped on this thread like vultures on a corpse.

That's an unfortunate metaphor.

I read the entire thread and still don't see where the WoW fanboyism comment came from.  I see people saying:

1.) It is great.  I'm still playing.
2.) It is a MMOG and I don't like MMOGs so I quit.
3.) I didn't like the game so I quit and went back to the other game I play.  (I believe Rasix was the only one that actually mentioned WoW)
4.) Loved the game, but I quit anyway.

You crazy WoW-heads!  Get off the lawn!

Me?  I don't have the system for it and won't for a very long time.  So, I continue to play, *gasp*, WoW.

I keep coming to these threads to see if they somehow made it so average computers can play the game.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Tarami on June 24, 2008, 05:22:49 AM
Atleast my intention was never to start a flamefest. I merely deviated a little from the exact purpose of the thread, from why people have stopped playing with BC to why people have stopped playing at all. Trust me, I really did want to like this game.

But: The directional attacks are to me just broken up hotkey combat. I still don't really get away from the feeling of chucking specific abilities at the mobs, beyond playing a little bit of whack'a'mole. The other issue is that the pure casters play identically to every caster in every diku ever. The evolution of combat was exclusive to meleers only. Which is funny considering there are atleast 3 classes completely without melee capabilities. (PoM, ToS, Dem, any more?) Having "Casting Concentration" as a incrementable skill was just a band-aid to fix a much vaster issue with the classes.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Sky on June 24, 2008, 05:34:56 AM
I had to choose pay and crash or bugger off and keep my money so I buggered off.  I never got better after that Monday patch that gave me crashitis.  Oh well.  I wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway.  I know me.
Doesn't every game make your pc crash these days? Must be saving a lot of money.  :drill:


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on June 24, 2008, 05:58:37 AM
More big differences in combat (at least PvP combat) are the sidesteps/backsteps, active parry and collision detection. That means a lot for casters too. Maybe not at level 40 when you are whacking foozles but they are there for so many situational reasons, not necessarily apparent during your ordinary grind-job.

I don't know if some people received a free blindfold instead of the rhino mount with their purchases or it's just me and the other lots who's still playing that feel the combat so different and refreshing from ANY other MMORPG so far.

Autoattack? There is none.
Not different from other MMORPG combats? Whatever dude. Who am I to judge?


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 24, 2008, 06:03:24 AM
More big differences in combat (at least PvP combat) are the sidesteps/backsteps, active parry and collision detection. That means a lot for casters too. Maybe not at level 40 when you are whacking foozles but they are there for so many situational reasons, not necessarily apparent during your ordinary grind-job.

I don't know if some people received a free blindfold instead of the rhino mount with their purchases or it's just me and the other lots who's still playing that feel the combat so different and refreshing from ANY other MMORPG so far.

Autoattack? There is none.
Not different from other MMORPG combats? Whatever dude. Who am I to judge?

For clarification. How does sidestepping/backstepping help? and what is 'active parry'?


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Brogarn on June 24, 2008, 06:08:26 AM
Double tapping in any direction gets you a short term buff. IIRC the left and right ones add to your magic resists (I think anyways), the back one gives you a guaranteed (or close to) parry or block and the forward one gives you a chance to stun.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: cevik on June 24, 2008, 06:11:51 AM
and what is 'active parry'?

Hold down X and you go into active block mode, you can't perform any abilities or attack, but you take significantly less damage per hit (but you also lose stamina while in active block mode).


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on June 24, 2008, 06:12:27 AM
Double tapping the movement keys you can get a side/back/forward step, which use stamina but gives you a 5 secs HUGE buff/debuff.
For example, forward step gives you a big chance of stunning your enemy with your next regular melee attack.
Sidestep gives you HUGE magical avoidance for 5 secs and finally backstep gives you huge Evade bonus (not being hit) while hindering your attack and magic capabilities for duration.

Active parry means you keep X pressed down and your char ducks trying to protect.
Again, huge bonus at defense but drains stamina and prevents you from moving and attacking.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: photek on June 24, 2008, 06:44:30 AM
Double tapping the movement keys you can get a side/back/forward step, which use stamina but gives you a 5 secs HUGE buff/debuff.
For example, forward step gives you a big chance of stunning your enemy with your next regular melee attack.
Sidestep gives you HUGE magical avoidance for 5 secs and finally backstep gives you huge Evade bonus (not being hit) while hindering your attack and magic capabilities for duration.

Active parry means you keep X pressed down and your char ducks trying to protect.
Again, huge bonus at defense but drains stamina and prevents you from moving and attacking.

Sidestep gives you a 10% immunity which is hardly huge. Backwards step gives you a 50% chance of avoiding attacks. Forward step stun works on combos also.

PS: The way the game is done it seems these bonuses / avoidances aren't in effect while the enemy is casting spells / preforming a combo. If I click my lightning strike, it calculates the resistance on start casting, not on impact. So if you try to gain some avoidance while somebody is doing a huge spell on you, it doesn't work. I will test this further, but this is the impression I have for now.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on June 24, 2008, 06:46:47 AM
Only 10 percent? that comes as a surprise. It gives the impression of working much more than that, and clearly I overwrote the correct info with field experience.  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: photek on June 24, 2008, 06:48:05 AM
Only 10 percent? that comes as a surprise. It gives the impression of working much more than that, and clearly I overridden the correct info with field experience.  :uhrr:

It was a "high chance of resisting magical attacks" and a few patches ago it got changed to 10% immunity.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on June 24, 2008, 06:50:11 AM
I know you know it. Sucks when they resist you in PVP.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Signe on June 24, 2008, 06:54:54 AM
I had to choose pay and crash or bugger off and keep my money so I buggered off.  I never got better after that Monday patch that gave me crashitis.  Oh well.  I wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway.  I know me.
Doesn't every game make your pc crash these days? Must be saving a lot of money.  :drill:

I don't think so.  Just this one at the moment.  You've made me confused!


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: AcidCat on June 24, 2008, 06:57:36 AM
I picked up the game, played for a few weeks, and then stopped when I wasn't finding it fun anymore.  Can't really give much more of an explanation than that.  Just not looking to make a long term commitment to a video game.

Same here, uninstalled last week. Though I don't mind making a long term commitment to a game - AoC just isn't that game.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: raydeen on June 24, 2008, 07:22:51 AM
I'm playing and liking it, just haven't poked my head into the BC crowd until I've got the playstyle and classes down. It's different enough from other MMO's that I'm still getting the hang of it.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: shiznitz on June 24, 2008, 01:10:08 PM
Cannot play two MMOs (EQ2 is still the primary) and move houses at the same time. I will be back in AoC off and on again.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: photek on June 24, 2008, 01:38:56 PM
I'm not sure. I got tons of classes, one past 60, one past 50, two past 40, rest in their 30s, and my last project is an Assassin so obviously I have played a lot the first month, but I don't know what I'm playing for currently (high level / endgame) so I'm just ending up rolling alts and trying classes instead. Classes are fun to play to mostly and a month ago we discussed the combat system and it seems I was right in what I said : The directional combat system is a great thing, however it doesn't make the combat particularly more advanced than auto swinging + abilities. The game seems to lack depth after many hours spent, it seems that the directional combos and attacks were prioritized over a very deep and advanced combat system which allows for long battles with lots of ability usage instead of main 3-4 with some additional abilities. Although very few MMO's have this depth it, it seems more and more needed. Also grinding is very boring.

The game also focuses a bit too much on raids / grouping power and I wish it was a bit more rewarding for solo / smalls group players especially towards and at endgame PvP as World of Warcraft allows (BG's / Arenas) which now is very lacking. However I have heard that it is several small-sized epic instances at 80, so this is positive. Lately when I think of logging on I have mixed feelings, so I think I might take a little break and enjoy casual playing.

EDIT: Spelling.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Kirth on June 24, 2008, 01:46:28 PM
Cancelled (1 day before being charged, woot)

1.  I will not grind for advancement.  According to everything I've read, there are still gaping holes in the quest based progression.
2.  Let's be honest here, the game still runs like a fucking pig.  WoW does not suffer from these peformance issues even remotely.  Yes, I know, you can make the game "playable", but this type of performance in a MMO is not acceptable.  :nda: doesn't have this sort of problem either.  They may look terrible in comparison, but beauty only gets you so far.
3.  Game's not finished.  I see little reason to play this game at max level.  See 1, 4.
4.  Bat Country has no stickiness for me. Parallel play.  :|
5.  I'm not going to PVP in order to make a game interesting.  I'm going to avoid insulting anyone here.

I like the game.  The combat mechanics are great, the world is well done, the audio and visual aspects are fantastic, but ultimately, it fails as a MMO for me.  I may still be subbed if two of my friends hadn't resubbed to WoW, but I have a soft rule about not having 2 MMO subs going at the same time.  AoC would have still likely lost in the end.

I can see myself giving this another shot.. in like.. a while. WoLK will make giving this another shot in 6 months not feasible.


Summed it up nicely for me, so ditto.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Tmon on June 24, 2008, 01:58:42 PM
I'll probably start in October once the weather is too reliably bad to hike.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: UnSub on June 24, 2008, 07:03:21 PM
I've got friends who are looking to sign up. Once they do, I'll join as well.

But it's been worth my time looking at these forums go from "AoC: It's really fun!" to "AoC: Meh".

How's "AoC - Meh, it's really fun."


The 'really fun' big didn't last a full month, or apparently long enough for anyone to pay for a sub. So 'meh' it is for now.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Slayerik on June 25, 2008, 05:17:09 AM
I've got friends who are looking to sign up. Once they do, I'll join as well.

But it's been worth my time looking at these forums go from "AoC: It's really fun!" to "AoC: Meh".

How's "AoC - Meh, it's really fun."


The 'really fun' big didn't last a full month, or apparently long enough for anyone to pay for a sub. So 'meh' it is for now.

Though this is coming from a guy with the handle 'Unsub' :)

I'm still playing, but this isn't the "who is still playing' thread' ...


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: cevik on June 25, 2008, 06:21:22 AM
The 'really fun' big didn't last a full month, or apparently long enough for anyone to pay for a sub. So 'meh' it is for now.

I paid for 2 subs!


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cheddar on June 25, 2008, 08:44:55 AM
Other night I rerolled Cheddar into a Necro.  I was inebriated and rolled on the wrong server - just figured it out last night.  I am back in the guild!  WOOT.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Nija on June 25, 2008, 08:58:41 AM
They should have struck a deal with MS and packaged this game with an xbox 360 controller ( You can use these on PCs in case you don't follow consoles ) and then they could have spent much more time refining the UI and the controls to fit an actual action game.  Which is what they really wanted it to be, I think.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Signe on June 25, 2008, 11:38:17 AM
Someone I chat to on another board said his pre-order for the 360 version was canceled by Gamestop (I think it was Gamestop) and that when he tried to pre-order it from someplace else, he couldn't find one anywhere.  Has the 360 version been ditched?


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: fuser on June 25, 2008, 11:40:53 AM
Funcom survey came in today after cancelling a while ago (two + weeks I think siting "gameplay issues").

(http://nerv.tv/files/p1e-thumb.jpg) (http://nerv.tv/files/p1e.jpg)
(http://nerv.tv/files/p2e-thumb.jpg) (http://nerv.tv/files/p2e.jpg)
(http://nerv.tv/files/p3e-thumb.jpg) (http://nerv.tv/files/p3e.jpg)
(http://nerv.tv/files/p4e-thumb.jpg) (http://nerv.tv/files/p4e.jpg)

Read it if you want, some of the questions confuse me....

Edit: and the server's unreachable after filling it out.... sigh!


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Lum on June 25, 2008, 01:03:10 PM
Cancelled (1 day before being charged, woot)

I cancelled as well, but only because my PC is under the minspec and I was seeing at best 15-20fps.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Krakrok on June 25, 2008, 01:14:16 PM

Luckily my resub on the credit card failed which was good because I wasn't playing anyway. It was fun. I got my $40 out of it. Now I'm done.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xerapis on June 25, 2008, 05:17:45 PM
I finally got a response.  Two of them, actually, which was a little strange.

Quote
Greetings!

We apologize for the inconvenience but can you please verify me the
phone number you are registering the account with for the SMS
verification? Please include the area code with the rest of the number.

Thank you!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GM- Lugal

Followed by:

Quote
Greetings,

We have recently updated our SMS verification system. I would like if
you placed your phone number into your account, as well as send it to me
in a reply to this message. I am sorry about this inconveneince, and
hopefully will be getting you into the game very soon! Thank you, and
have a great day!


On Wed Jun 25 10:37:53 2008, geoffh wrote:
> 1) Check and see if the transaction has since gone through. If so, just
> tell them they are all set. 2) If the account is still frozen pending
> verification, check their user details and billing info. If they look
> legit (and they probably are if they are emailing) then 3) CLick the
> VERIFY button next to the "Phone number verified?" entry

--
Regards,

GM Hakatai
Funcom Customer Support Associate

I thought it was really cute how the second guy didn't remember to edit his instructions from his boss out of the email.

I sent them my phone number again and am EAGERLY awaiting their response.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Montague on June 26, 2008, 08:29:19 AM
Cancelled, but not really Funcom's fault on this one.

At this point in time I've decided I really don't want to go back on the MMO treadmill again. I have a WoW sub open which is basically a $15 a month chat room for keeping in touch with old friends. Otherwise I'm stimulating my brain with EUIII and a really buggy Supreme Ruler 2020.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Chinchilla on June 26, 2008, 10:06:18 AM
I'm currently only subscribed to LotR as I have a lifetime sub, but besides that I am having a hard time convincing myself to spend the $$ on this game and plus the fact that I need some computer upgrades so that it would run.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xerapis on June 26, 2008, 01:05:08 PM
Quote
I am happy to inform you that your account is not active and available
for use. You may use it at any time. :)

I added the bold for emphasis.

Best.  CSR.  Typo.  Ever.

Of course, I got this email once I was already in the office this morning (just 5 minutes ago), so I can't get into the broken fun until at least 10 hours from now.  Timing is everything.



Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cheddar on June 26, 2008, 01:42:59 PM
I added the bold for emphasis.

Best.  CSR.  Typo.  Ever.

Of course, I got this email once I was already in the office this morning (just 5 minutes ago), so I can't get into the broken fun until at least 10 hours from now.  Timing is everything.


Yay!  My buddy is coming to the dark side.



edit.  Stupid ass patch.  My fucking DVD rom is stuck for some reason, so cannot fire up Civ 4 to kill time.  Maybe I will fire up Hellgate.  8pm EST is ETR for servers now.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Lt.Dan on June 26, 2008, 03:26:51 PM
More big differences in combat (at least PvP combat) are the sidesteps/backsteps, active parry and collision detection. That means a lot for casters too. Maybe not at level 40 when you are whacking foozles but they are there for so many situational reasons, not necessarily apparent during your ordinary grind-job.

I don't know if some people received a free blindfold instead of the rhino mount with their purchases or it's just me and the other lots who's still playing that feel the combat so different and refreshing from ANY other MMORPG so far.

Autoattack? There is none.
Not different from other MMORPG combats? Whatever dude. Who am I to judge?

You see I rolled a Conqueror.  Combat goes something like this - Lumbering Hulk, line up mobs in front arc if there is more than one, Combo #1 (mash two attacks, mobs take 33% damage), combo #2 (mash two attacks, mobs take 33% damage), Combo #3 (mash two attacks, mobs take 33% damage), mop up remain mobs with normal attacks.  That's it.  Maybe throw in a knockdown attack or drink a potion if I'm really getting wailed on.

Sure it's better than a pile of MMOs but its hardly turning MMO combat on its head in the name of fun. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Hoax on June 26, 2008, 04:00:42 PM
I haven't bought it yet.  I'm going to do a computer upgrade towards the end of July (most likely) and before that it wouldn't even be worth trying.  Also I wanted to see what happened with yall because I only roll one character and only try once so picking a server/guild/class with no information is going to be trouble.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xerapis on June 27, 2008, 12:54:39 AM
Holy 11 hour download, Batfag!

Looks like I won't be playing until after work tomorrow :(


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Nerf on June 27, 2008, 01:08:42 AM
What kind of download speeds are you getting and how big is the download? It shouldn't be more than a gig or so, even with the recent patches.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xerapis on June 27, 2008, 01:15:52 AM
Really?  Cause it looks like around 12 gig from here.  I'm getting 500+ KB/Sec, it says 8 1/2 hours now...maybe it needed time to stabilize...but still.


~sigh~


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Nerf on June 27, 2008, 01:17:29 AM
Your install got fuckod, wipe and reinstall, happened to a few people here on launch day IIRC.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Tarami on June 27, 2008, 02:52:28 AM
You see I rolled a Conqueror.  Combat goes something like this - Lumbering Hulk, line up mobs in front arc if there is more than one, Combo #1 (mash two attacks, mobs take 33% damage), combo #2 (mash two attacks, mobs take 33% damage), Combo #3 (mash two attacks, mobs take 33% damage), mop up remain mobs with normal attacks.  That's it.  Maybe throw in a knockdown attack or drink a potion if I'm really getting wailed on.

Sure it's better than a pile of MMOs but its hardly turning MMO combat on its head in the name of fun. 
Although, Falconeer mostly seems to be referring to the depth it gives to PvP. I can't speak for PvP as I don't PvP on a regular basis in any game except shooters.

I can appriciate that notion, however. Usually PvP games in general work better with fluid combat systems, that is, less paper-rock-scissory while "AI" usually does better with more quantified abilities.

Clunky, quantified abilties combine and mix in a more interesting fashion than fluid numbers when added together from several sources. "Show stoppers" are entirely unfun (for the afflicted) in PvP while they are bread and butter in almost every PvE milleu, regardless of whether it's an MMO or a shooter.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: sam, an eggplant on June 27, 2008, 08:53:01 AM
I got a comped account a week after buying the game and don't want to play through tortage again.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: photek on June 27, 2008, 09:31:23 AM
I got a comped account a week after buying the game and don't want to play through tortage again.

I've done Tortage about 12 times. Fully. And still don't mind it cause its so fast and simple, if Tortage gets to you the rest of the game will rip your soul out.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Hawkbit on June 27, 2008, 10:41:22 AM
My WoW guild was asking how things were going, I told them that it's not.  Essentially, I could make a list of 100 things that I didn't like about the game, but I have no desire to. 

At the end of it all, I simply wasn't having fun enough to keep playing let alone paying for it.  I don't even feel compelled to try to make it a better game by giving them feedback.  It's strange, because it's the only game I've ever felt this way about. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: murdoc on June 27, 2008, 10:48:58 AM
I've done Tortage 5 times now and am sick of it. The last couple of times have been on the pvp server and starting brawls in White Sands made it marginally more interesting, but I am really tired of those quests. I don't have any characters over level 30, so that's really my only complaint, but it's what has kept me from leveling a character on Zug.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Morfiend on June 27, 2008, 11:04:30 AM
I've done Tortage 5 times now and am sick of it. The last couple of times have been on the pvp server and starting brawls in White Sands made it marginally more interesting, but I am really tired of those quests. I don't have any characters over level 30, so that's really my only complaint, but it's what has kept me from leveling a character on Zug.

I have found that Tesso is the best place to start shit. One of my favorite things to do is to run up and attack some one in town, hit them maybe 2 or 3 times, then run over and stand by one of the guards so that when the person hits me they get guard killed. I cant stop laughing when it happens.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: murdoc on June 27, 2008, 11:19:04 AM
Oh man, Tesso is the BEST place to stir up the hornets nest. We (being a 39 Tos/Necro duo and me with my 29 Ranger) managed to kill a 72 that tried to run from us on his horse and a 72/73 combo that the town guards pounded on. How much fun is it to rez camp a level 72 and 73?

A LOT.

We had some fake [Undead Lords] guild chase us away though, but usually when we want to stir things up, we head to Tesso. That town turns into a battlezone very quickly.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xerapis on June 28, 2008, 03:41:48 AM
~sigh~

My password won't work.  Yes, I'm using the correct client.  No, it's not a typo.  No, it's not caps lock. 

I don't think it has ever been this difficult to TRY to play a game before.

I sent another wonderful email to CS.  Let's see how many days it takes this time.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Sparky on June 28, 2008, 09:46:47 AM
I'd just got to 30 and was looking forward to the Black Castle for some easy casual AOE leveling.  But the July 26th patch pulled the rug out on that and make it a group only dungeon.  Kind of killed my enthusiasm, especially reading how the 70+ grind was also worsened.  Hey Funcom I don't want to grind, just want to casually level some characters then go PVP.  :cry:


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: cevik on June 28, 2008, 10:50:01 AM
I'd just got to 30 and was looking forward to the Black Castle for some easy casual AOE leveling.  But the July 26th patch pulled the rug out on that and make it a group only dungeon.  Kind of killed my enthusiasm, especially reading how the 70+ grind was also worsened.  Hey Funcom I don't want to grind, just want to casually level some characters then go PVP.  :cry:

Just for the record, I wouldn't put too much faith in the "zomg you have to grind zomg zomg zomg" doomsaying.

I hit level 61 last night and I've never done anything but quests the whole time.  My quest log was full at 55, 58 and last night at 60 it is back to full again.  There are plenty of quests, despite what message board trolls say. ;)

In fact, I'd say the number 1 thing they did wrong with the quest part of the game was there are sometimes as few as 1 quest to bring you to the next quest hub.  So if you skip that 1 quest you miss the whole hub.  For instance, at 58 I decided to do a quest that took me out looking for a scout in the E mountains.  If I had chosen not to do that, I'd have missed 5 quests that were all given out around that corpse.  The only thing guiding me there was one quest that didn't really seem to indicate that it would be giving me a quest.  I suspect that's what a lot of the whining is really stemming from.

EDIT:  And if you just *have* to AE grind, then Border Ranges and Outflow Tunnels are private instances at the same level as Black Castle that you can ae.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Miasma on June 28, 2008, 12:53:27 PM
Well now you can get half a level every five hours doing villas in Noble District so you don't have to grind out camps in the public areas, that's made things easier.  The only way you could get into the sixties without grinding is if you have a very set group and do all the group quests, including the ones in the resource areas.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xerapis on June 28, 2008, 10:38:47 PM
Fascinating...the AOC launcher now has a statement up about authentication failure.

But it seems to be indicating that the failure is the fault of the player.

Now...if there are enough instances of this issue that they need to make a statement...how the fuck is it PEBKAC?



Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Murgos on June 29, 2008, 06:26:59 AM
Well now you can get half a level every five hours doing villas in Noble District so you don't have to grind out camps in the public areas, that's made things easier.  The only way you could get into the sixties without grinding is if you have a very set group and do all the group quests, including the ones in the resource areas.

Why does what your saying and what Cevik is saying seem diametrically opposed?  One of you is wrong.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: sinij on June 29, 2008, 06:52:51 AM
5.  I'm not going to PVP in order to make a game interesting.

I think you picked up wrong game.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: rattran on June 29, 2008, 08:17:57 AM
I ground for level 59, and a bit of 62. I probably didn't need to, but hadn't discovered all the places to quest. I have not ground since, and just dinged 71 last night. Without doing any group quests except a few Sanctum and a few Cistern/Mainline


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Miasma on June 29, 2008, 08:23:37 AM
Well now you can get half a level every five hours doing villas in Noble District so you don't have to grind out camps in the public areas, that's made things easier.  The only way you could get into the sixties without grinding is if you have a very set group and do all the group quests, including the ones in the resource areas.

Why does what your saying and what Cevik is saying seem diametrically opposed?  One of you is wrong.
I was disagreeing with him for the most part.  The vast majority of people will have to grind, be it the repeatable villa quests or out in the public zones.  I consider the villas grinding-light, if you are above level 45 and still in the villas you are grinding.

There is a very low chance of not grinding and to do it you would need access to another five people whenever you want to do the group only quests.  You could also get some xp if you take two professions and do the crafting quests, I haven't taken any since they are all so buggy.

I did almost every single solo quest I could (unless they were very low gray) and had to grind:
- Two levels in the Cannibal Caves.
- One level on the boars in Thundering River.
- One level on the troglodytes in Atzel's.
- Two levels on Humanoids at the Prison in Atzel's.
- One level on Mammoths in Atzel's.
- Two levels on Apes and Undead in Atzel's.

Then, thankfully, the villas became repeatable and I mainly just do those.  I'll get level 80 in about five hours when they become available again.  If they hadn't done that to the villas I would be knocking my head against the wall trying to xp in one of the two very small camps in the one high level zone the game has.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: vex on June 29, 2008, 09:30:14 AM
I ground for level 59, and a bit of 62. I probably didn't need to, but hadn't discovered all the places to quest. I have not ground since, and just dinged 71 last night. Without doing any group quests except a few Sanctum and a few Cistern/Mainline

I'm defiantly missing something then.  I'm 66 (?) and don't think I have enough quests left in Atzels and Thunder river to get me to 67 without doing the group quests which I almost never do.  I haven't been to Atzels in a couple of levels though so maybe something new popped up.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xerapis on June 30, 2008, 02:04:57 AM
Dear Funcom:

You still suck.  I still can't play.  I'm bitter and hateful.

Still eagerly awaiting response from CS.  When a customer has a problem which completely prevents any form of gameplay, there should really be a faster response time.  DAYS is unacceptable.

As of tomorrow, it will be the one week anniversary of having purchased the product but still being unable to play it.  On that day, you better have my account fixed, or I will begin my refund demands.



Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cheddar on June 30, 2008, 05:00:24 AM
Dear Funcom:

You still suck.  I still can't play.  I'm bitter and hateful.

Still eagerly awaiting response from CS.  When a customer has a problem which completely prevents any form of gameplay, there should really be a faster response time.  DAYS is unacceptable.

As of tomorrow, it will be the one week anniversary of having purchased the product but still being unable to play it.  On that day, you better have my account fixed, or I will begin my refund demands.

 :uhrr:  THEY BETTER FIX YOUR ACCOUNT, WE NEED YOU!!!


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: cevik on June 30, 2008, 07:06:55 AM
Why does what your saying and what Cevik is saying seem diametrically opposed?  One of you is wrong.

Probably because I'm out playing the game and not listening to the trolls on the official forums.. ;)

You really don't have to grind.  I have gotten probably about 3 levels off of villas, but I also skipped a bunch of other quests doing it (I've never zoned into main/cistern for example).  The main reason I went through the villas so many times (at the level range I did them, 3 villas was right at a level), was because they were dropping blues like it was going out of style.  I made a bunch of money off those blues and bought myself and my wife a horse.

I haven't done any of the group quests outside of sanctum, which I did with a pug.  Beyond doing the villas a few times for blues and and doing sanctum once, the rest of my 62 levels were completely done on solo questing.  There are plenty of quests to make it through 62 on just quests alone.

As I said in the above post, there are usually at least 3 or 4 quest hubs per zone.  I think a lot of people find 1 or maybe 2 of those quest hubs, do all the quests (or most of the quests) in those hubs and then say "Okay, I'm done with this area" and move to the next zone.  The quest designers biggest problem was that they did not hand hold you into each of the quest hubs.  Most of the time there is only 1 quest in the first hub that leads you to the next hub, if you happen to skip that quest, then you miss out on a ton of quests because you never find the hub.  And in some places this is a cascading failure, i.e. there is one quest to the next hub, which is the only place that leads you to the following hub, etc.  If you skip 1 quest you miss out on 10-15+ quests for the zone, easily 2-3 levels from that zone can get knocked off because of 1 mistake.

I personally think that is the main issue that is causing people to report they can't find enough quests.  It's not that they don't exist, it's that the developers didn't hand hold enough to get people there.  And if there is one thing that the history of mmogs have taught us, it's that players must have their hands held every step of the way.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xanthippe on June 30, 2008, 07:17:33 AM
I don't know what happened.  One day I was playing and the next day I had no desire to log in.  I leveled two toons to 30ish.

What I don't like about it:

It doesn't feel world-y.  Crafting sucks.  Gathering sucks.  The lack of world-y-ness bothers me more than the poorly thought out crafting and gathering.

What I do like about it:

Combat is fun. 

I got my money's worth from it.

(I'm back to WoW, leveling a pally of all things on Venture Co.  again.)



Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on June 30, 2008, 07:19:49 AM

(I'm back to WoW, leveling a pally of all things on Venture Co.  again.)


Of all things, that's the one I won't ever ever ever be able to understand. It has nothing to do with Conan. It has to do with humanity and the concept of fun. I am scared, you bodysnatchers.

P.S (EDIT): This is not in any way judgemental.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 30, 2008, 09:18:52 AM
Really falconeer?

You can accuse wow of a lot of things but people actually do you know, have fun playing it. We get it, you like age of conan, clearly you do because you make sure to repeat it with every post of how great this game everyone quit is. I mean, look at all the people in this thread alone and all their complaints and why they left. Now don't you think that maybe, just maybe this game isn't as good as you personally think it is? yes you love it but for fucks sake take a step back and pull your lips from funcoms teat here (nipplez lawl)

added: yes i know im always ragging on aoc myself but dammit it's more because i can't stand to see this kind of rampant fanboism about anything, at least not on forums i like.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Mrbloodworth on June 30, 2008, 09:27:21 AM
Well, one thing is true, there is a lot of passion about the game. Love it or hate it, and IMHO, i don't think anyone hates it, they are just disappointed in some things, and the fact that the likes are more than dislikes, makes things that you don't like that much worse.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Morfiend on June 30, 2008, 09:47:45 AM
I tried to do Cistern with my guild on Saturday morning, and it totally killed my will to log in. First, getting a group was a pain in the ass. Then we start going, and even though my group was decently over leveled for the place, (Every one was low 50s Apped up to 55, with a 56 as tank. The mobs where level 50 and 51) and this place was ripping us apart. Even with 2 HoX, a Ranger, and Conq, the mobs died really slowly, and just seemed to have way to many HP. Each pull was more boring that doing "Tank and Spank" in WoW. The outside combat is so much more fast paced and fun, bit this "group" stuff is just boring. I was actually relieved when my computer crashed after about 45 minutes.

If this is what the level 80 PVE content is going to be like, then you can count me out.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on June 30, 2008, 10:17:56 AM
No Lakov, you got me wrong (but it's my fault here).

I just can't understand how can people have fun on the same thing for such a long time. That's all.
I wish I could go back to the late 90s when UO took 3 straight years of my life.

Now, I am probably envious of people who can stick with something for that long. Let alone a PvE game with content limited by its own nature.

As I said, it has nothing to do with AoC or even WoW. As much as I am liking it I would be surprised to find myself still hooked with Conan 1 year from today, and if anything like that should happen you can be sure it would be thanks to PvP.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Draegan on June 30, 2008, 10:54:07 AM
I was never in Bat Country but I'm still playing.  I rerolled my 76 Assassin and made a Demonologist.  OOooooohhh BURN BURN I just run around BURNING things and screaming DIE IN A FIRE. 

Literally.

Fun.

I'm surprised Schild isn't a demo.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Lantyssa on June 30, 2008, 11:21:28 AM
Are you Lum's secret account?


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Draegan on June 30, 2008, 11:28:39 AM
He's not the only pyro in the world.

burn?


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Threash on June 30, 2008, 12:17:12 PM
Well now you can get half a level every five hours doing villas in Noble District so you don't have to grind out camps in the public areas, that's made things easier.  The only way you could get into the sixties without grinding is if you have a very set group and do all the group quests, including the ones in the resource areas.

Why does what your saying and what Cevik is saying seem diametrically opposed?  One of you is wrong.

Both sides have it right for the most part.  You CAN level without grinding if you hit every spot at the correct level and do all the quests, but doing higher level content is so easy most people end up skipping/missing large parts of the content.  Someone mentioned having run out of atzels quests at 66, i started doing them at 72 and still have plenty at 76.  The problem with this is also a lot of the quests arent even available at the lower level so not only do you "finish" a zone about ten levels before you were supposed to, but you actually miss parts of it.  The content is there, its just not on rails like it is on wow.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Draegan on June 30, 2008, 12:25:41 PM
If you do all the dungeons completely you can get through quickly as well.  I did Black Castle now finally itemized and complete the other day and got level 37 and 38 out of it.  Last time I played through these levels I skipped dungeons and ran out of quests at level 38 and moved to FoD.



Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Big Gulp on June 30, 2008, 12:47:42 PM
When I realized the quest grind was the same old thing, I canceled.

Bingo.  Slay 50 foozles?  Fuck you, I quit.

I think I'm done with the whole fantasy diku MUD thing.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cheddar on June 30, 2008, 12:53:52 PM
The thing I hate about f13 is I am always behind!  I have not really seen any active members in the last couple days.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xanthippe on June 30, 2008, 02:00:35 PM

(I'm back to WoW, leveling a pally of all things on Venture Co.  again.)


Of all things, that's the one I won't ever ever ever be able to understand. It has nothing to do with Conan. It has to do with humanity and the concept of fun. I am scared, you bodysnatchers.

P.S (EDIT): This is not in any way judgemental.

I don't understand it either.  Especially the having fun leveling a pally part.  But I am, so there you go. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Morfiend on June 30, 2008, 02:02:47 PM
When I realized the quest grind was the same old thing, I canceled.

Bingo.  Slay 50 foozles?  Fuck you, I quit.

I think I'm done with the whole fantasy diku MUD thing.

I don't mind that so much, as long as the combat is fun and fast paced, which it is, even though they are trying to slow it down. But as soon as you start fighting group mobs, holy crap, boring. Its like wow with out the polish and cool dungeon design and balanced classes.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Tarami on June 30, 2008, 04:04:26 PM
Now, I am probably envious of people who can stick with something for that long. Let alone a PvE game with content limited by its own nature.
I think that evolves to half pity, half envy, because many of the people that are doing something that way for that long are no longer really enjoying themselves. Playing X is just what they do, who they are.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Signe on June 30, 2008, 04:16:56 PM
I don't know what happened.  One day I was playing and the next day I had no desire to log in.  I leveled two toons to 30ish.

What I don't like about it:

It doesn't feel world-y.  Crafting sucks.  Gathering sucks.  The lack of world-y-ness bothers me more than the poorly thought out crafting and gathering.

What I do like about it:

Combat is fun. 

I got my money's worth from it.

(I'm back to WoW, leveling a pally of all things on Venture Co.  again.)



If I start playing WoW again, I just know our periods will synchronise.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: trias_e on June 30, 2008, 05:54:53 PM
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I don't know what happened.  One day I was playing and the next day I had no desire to log in.  I leveled two toons to 30ish.

What I don't like about it:

It doesn't feel world-y.  Crafting sucks.  Gathering sucks.  The lack of world-y-ness bothers me more than the poorly thought out crafting and gathering.

What I do like about it:

Combat is fun.

I got my money's worth from it.

(I'm back to WoW, leveling a pally of all things on Venture Co.  again.)

This is pretty much my experience as well.  Minus the going back to WoW part.  *shudders*

This should have just been a single player game.  Everything MMO-y about this game brings it down...while the actual gameplay is refreshingly good.   Anyways, not a hard decision at all to cancel for me at this point, and I highly doubt I'll play it again. 

Perhaps I've just outgrown MMORPGs at this point.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Xerapis on July 01, 2008, 01:10:37 PM
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You were receiving that error because your SMS had yet to be verified. I
have gone and done so. You are all set. Sorry for the inconvenience.


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Best Regards,

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Funcom Support

So, I just received this in my inbox as I got to work this morning.  I'll check during my afternoon break to see if they actually did fix it this time.  Since apparently this was the original problem that I was told was fixed but wasn't.  Shit shit shitty CS.  Not a good beginning. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: photek on July 02, 2008, 12:03:17 PM
Two very interesting surveys that seems more credible than Funcoms latest 700k whatwasitagain and shows the progression from launch to today.

Warning : Pics are HUGE.

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/184/f/6/nvm_by_mrhenrik.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/184/7/b/aoc_stuff_again_by_mrhenrik.jpg


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: rattran on July 02, 2008, 06:35:46 PM
Sadly I think I'm done with AoC. Great potential, but too many bugs, and their patches don't seem to improve the game as much as switch the broken around a bit.

The combat is fun, but that's it. Everything else is pretty standard mmo/done better elsewhere. Clunky chat interface. If all I wanted out of a game was exciting combat I'd play a fps.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Signe on July 03, 2008, 05:49:51 PM
I was never able to resolve my crashing after that one patch and I never received an answer to my petitions or my emails asking them to answer my petition. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cheddar on July 03, 2008, 07:13:59 PM
Sub cancelled.  Too many issues to list here - I challenge someone from Funcom to contact Schild or Trippy to form a focus group to discuss these issues. Won't happen, our corner of the net is stuck with Stormwaltz and Mahrin. 





edit.  This game should have had 500k-1 million subs.  In 2 months it will be lucky to hold 100k or less.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: photek on July 03, 2008, 07:31:24 PM
edit.  This game should have had 500k-1 million subs.  In 2 months it will be lucky to hold 100k or less.

Yes. And this is what I anticipated also unfortunately. Hate when pessimistic goals are met!


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cheddar on July 03, 2008, 07:33:07 PM
edit.  This game should have had 500k-1 million subs.  In 2 months it will be lucky to hold 100k or less.

Yes. And this is what I anticipated also unfortunately. Hate when pessimistic goals are met!

My actual prediction was 20k, but I tend to lean towards the positive.  After my few week jaunt my pessimist out look may be more correct, though after playing I honesty hope I was not right.  It (AOC) was close to the win. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: rk47 on July 03, 2008, 09:54:46 PM
too expensive. all imported copies in Singapore. I'm not paying 30% more just to play a diku with tits and ass.
Come to think of it they need a hentai MMO where you collect 10 wolf tails for a nice nookie with cat girls.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on July 03, 2008, 10:45:38 PM
People.
This DIKU has great PvP. It's just that fun to fight people thanks to the quick pace, collision detection, the way heals work and the importance of positioning.
That will be the subscription backbone of AoC and will start the buzz as soon as they start roll out PvP content, levels and experience.
Many of the quitters didn't even like/try PvP at all, which is a waste because there is so much fun to be had there as long as you are into fighting other people, and because Conan is so much about it.

And no Lakov, this is not my "This is great you stoopid can't see the light!". While I agree on the issues, and why there can be so many reasons to not appreciate a game, especially a bugged one, I think there's a strong aspect of the game that is being overlooked by many (many <> all). And that feels like not playing a good portion of what said game is about.
It's not like playing Countr-strike for the PvE element or the quests but that's closer than you think. And It was 100% fail to not have incentives for PvP (especially on PvE servers) at launch.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Oban on July 04, 2008, 06:03:52 AM
...
Come to think of it they need a hentai MMO where you collect 10 wolf tails for a nice nookie with cat girls.

Ah, you were not aware of : http://www.bastard-online.jp/ (http://www.bastard-online.jp/)

(http://www.clisham.com-a.googlepages.com/about2_meta00.jpg)


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Nebu on July 04, 2008, 12:52:35 PM
Two very interesting surveys that seems more credible than Funcoms latest 700k whatwasitagain and shows the progression from launch to today.

Warning : Pics are HUGE.

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/184/f/6/nvm_by_mrhenrik.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/184/7/b/aoc_stuff_again_by_mrhenrik.jpg

Interesting...

Poor itemization, poor performance, poor class balance, and terrible customer support seem to be the major issues.  This mirrors the sentiment in the thread about what's wrong with AoC. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: naum on July 04, 2008, 05:15:33 PM
1. No Mac client. See Blizzard for a company that gets this, and no coincidence is also at the top.

2. Running out of disk space on home mac so boot camp not an option on that machine until I add/upgrade HD.

3. Haven't even logged into WoW for months, although my credit card is getting docked a sub fee.

4. Kind of burnt out on the whole MMwhackaMOleRPG deal, though a fresh wild west / cyberpunk implementation (other than TR which looks like giant suck) could rekindle my interest.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: schild on July 04, 2008, 07:35:03 PM
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1. No Mac client. See Blizzard for a company that gets this, and no coincidence is also at the top.

I guarantee these two things have nearly nothing to do with eachother. Particularly with bootcamp existing.

Blizzard has simply always made PC and MAC compatible games.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Slayerik on July 04, 2008, 07:41:59 PM
So there are a couple gamers in the world that use MACs?

You reap what you sow. Dont bitch when people don't make games for ya :)


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cheddar on July 04, 2008, 08:09:58 PM
Anyone have a stat on the percentage of WoW players that play it with MAC OS? 




Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Abelian75 on July 04, 2008, 08:21:36 PM
I don't know percentages on how many people play WoW on a mac, but I actually don't think it's really a coincidence that Blizzard makes games for both Mac and PC and also has such utter market domination.  Even if, say, 5% of their players play on a mac, that doesn't necessarily mean that making a mac version only gets them 5% more sales.  If you don't have a mac version of your game, then anyone who has a friend who uses a mac can't spread your game to them by word of mouth, which means that that person can't spread your game to his five PC-using friends.  I suspect it would be hard to get the insane, world-dominating market penetration that they managed to get with WoW without both mac and PC versions.

Now, for smaller scale releases, it may well not be worth it to bust out a mac version.  But I suspect if your goal is to hit that critical mass of cultural phenomenon, a mac version helps a fuckload.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Slayerik on July 04, 2008, 08:26:47 PM
It helps when you print your own money :)


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: squirrel on July 04, 2008, 08:48:14 PM
So there are a couple gamers in the world that use MACs?

You reap what you sow. Dont bitch when people don't make games for ya :)

More than a couple thanks. I have a killer gaming PC. But professionally my Mac is my main axe. If you support both (Blizzard, SB) I'm more likely to spend $$. Please to be quoting numbers or shutting the fuck up thanks.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Ozzu on July 04, 2008, 09:18:07 PM
So there are a couple gamers in the world that use MACs?

You reap what you sow. Dont bitch when people don't make games for ya :)

A nice side effect of games being ported to the Mac is that they're going to be that much easier to run in Linux. WoW runs extremely well in Wine since OpenGL is supported, most likely because of the Mac client.

Not that it matters to the vast majority of people out there, but for someone like me that runs Linux a fair bit of the time, it's nice to be able to depend on Blizzard games to work in Linux damn near out of the box.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: naum on July 04, 2008, 11:18:29 PM
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1. No Mac client. See Blizzard for a company that gets this, and no coincidence is also at the top.

I guarantee these two things have nearly nothing to do with eachother. Particularly with bootcamp existing.

Blizzard has simply always made PC and MAC compatible games.

Bullshit. You say no. I say yes. We look at the sales charts, and reality is the final arbiter here - look where Blizzard (and others that offer Mac platform clients).

No Mac version means you don't want to be mass market.

Especially in 2008, when Mac share is ~10% (approaching 30-40% amongst college aged) and that figure really should be raised to reflect that Mac users do more read/write activity on the internet (and more time on the machine period) than Windows users (and they're more likely to be content creators also -- websites, videos, etc.…). You can google it if you want numbers.

But it's more than the numbers. It's also the marketing splash.

Digressing however as the question which was "Why arn't you playing?", not "Why arn't you playing so I can mock your answer"…

And for the record, not really sore about it whatsoever, was just adding my reason… …not that I'm 100% anti-Win evangelist, if there was a great game experience to be had, I would at least load up Boot Camp on my home machine (only have Parallels which did let me run older games OK, including MtG Online (V2, haven't tried V3 yet)). Very few games seem worth the time investment to me, but I've always been picky, even when Windows boxes populated my house…


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: schild on July 05, 2008, 12:21:36 AM
So.... what you're saying is...

90% isn't mass market. Got it.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Tebonas on July 05, 2008, 03:06:42 AM
The real question here is how developing for the Mac as well can be seen as anything other than an advantage. 10% are 10%, but even more so you tend to write better code if you develop for multiple platforms at once.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Trippy on July 05, 2008, 05:17:27 AM
Companies like id and Blizzard develop for the Mac "because they can" not for any expectations of huge revenue generation from that platform. I.e. they develop games on their own schedules so they don't have publishers/owners telling them what they can and can not do (id's totally independent, Blizzard to a lesser extent), they have people there that like developing for the Mac/doing cross-platform development and they can afford to do so.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: trias_e on July 05, 2008, 06:50:10 AM
I would guess that Blizzard has the luxury of making games for the Mac because their games sell so well, not the other way around.

If you sell 100,000 copies of a game, and 10,000 would be mac users, it's likely that going for a simultaneous release or even porting the game is simply not worth the money you would spend on it.

If you sell 2 million copies of a game, 200,000 of which would be mac users, you have a compelling reason to port the game to Mac as it is much more likely to be cost effective.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cheddar on July 05, 2008, 07:01:45 AM
I would guess that Blizzard has the luxury of making games for the Mac because their games sell so well, not the other way around.

If you sell 100,000 copies of a game, and 10,000 would be mac users, it's likely that going for a simultaneous release or even porting the game is simply not worth the money you would spend on it.

If you sell 2 million copies of a game, 200,000 of which would be mac users, you have a compelling reason to port the game to Mac as it is much more likely to be cost effective.

These were my thoughts.  I am curious as to how many subs use Mac, though. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Lantyssa on July 05, 2008, 07:15:32 AM
If your company can spare the efforts to put out versions for multiple OSes, then it probably reflects a superior level of commitment and effort.

Making the game for the mac doesn't bring them a whole lot directly (As if 10% of 10 million isn't a whole lot...), but it does show why things work behind the scenes to bring a better game to everyone.  It's more about a design philosophy and how they "get it".


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Rishathra on July 05, 2008, 09:08:13 AM
1. No Mac client. See Blizzard for a company that gets this, and no coincidence is also at the top.
I am reminded of the bread thread.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Surlyboi on July 07, 2008, 10:11:03 AM
Yeah, I pretty much ignore anyone that spells "Mac" with all caps.

And though I may loathe blizzard for their, "let's take something everyone's done before and polish it 'til it shines" routine and the boring been-there-done-that that is WoW, but their commitment to the Mac has always been solid.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Signe on July 07, 2008, 11:58:35 AM
Is that you in that pic, Shirley Bob?  What are you looking at?  It looks cool!


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Soukyan on July 07, 2008, 12:34:13 PM
Is that you in that pic, Shirley Bob?  What are you looking at?  It looks cool!

Perhaps I missed the sarcasm, Signe, but I believe that is Will Smith in the picture. It's from his new movie, "Hancock". Some super hero thing.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Sky on July 07, 2008, 12:40:23 PM
I was thinking Lenny Kravitz.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: KallDrexx on July 07, 2008, 01:00:09 PM
most MMO companies can't handle the large amount of QA that is involved just for supporting windows, adding Mac support increases that even more.

There is more to the cost of porting a game then just writing cross-platform code.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Signe on July 07, 2008, 05:05:53 PM
Is that you in that pic, Shirley Bob?  What are you looking at?  It looks cool!

Perhaps I missed the sarcasm, Signe, but I believe that is Will Smith in the picture. It's from his new movie, "Hancock". Some super hero thing.

No, there was no sarcasm, I was really asking.  I haven't seen that film or that pic from the film.  I just thought he was off skiing and something cool got reflected. I guess I'll have to wait ans see the film to find out what Will Smith was looking at. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Sky on July 08, 2008, 06:01:35 AM
most MMO companies can't handle the large amount of QA that is involved just for supporting windows, adding Mac support increases that even more.

There is more to the cost of porting a game then just writing cross-platform code.
The ironic thing is that the mac is now a better gaming platform than windows. The shit code of OS9 is long gone and they finally have decent cpus. But most importantly, it's a specific hardware platform more akin to a console. Windows boxes are a nightmare of incompatibility, comparatively.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Trippy on July 08, 2008, 06:03:44 AM
The ironic thing is that the mac is now a better gaming platform than windows. The shit code of OS9 is long gone and they finally have decent cpus. But most importantly, it's a specific hardware platform more akin to a console. Windows boxes are a nightmare of incompatibility, comparatively.
Except that the most popular laptop and desktop Mac lines have crap GPUs.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Surlyboi on July 08, 2008, 08:43:43 AM
In answer to Feet's inquiry, yeah, that's Hancock. He's looking at Los Angeles.

(http://homepage.mac.com/surlyboi/hancock1.jpg)

As for the crap GPUs, shell out for a Mac pro. I've got a 9800 GTX in mine. Sure it took a little tweaking, but hey, it'll eat all but the most hardcore gamer's machines alive.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Sky on July 08, 2008, 10:21:38 AM
That is not LA. You can see the skyscrapers.

(http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/oceanography-book/Images/LA-smog-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: CharlieMopps on July 08, 2008, 10:22:40 AM
1. No Mac client. See Blizzard for a company that gets this, and no coincidence is also at the top.

Next you'll tell us the reason the second Matrix movie did poorly is because it didn't come out on Laser-Disc.
Failure or success of a product is not necessarily due to its lack of support for some dead media format that a small fraction of the country still clings to.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Oz on July 08, 2008, 11:02:15 AM
I lived in the LA area for 5 years...it wasn't ALWAYS that smoggy.  Probably more like 40% of the time from sept-Feb and 80% the rest of the months.  Inland Empire (slightly east of downtown LA) was way way way way way worse.   

/derail


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Nija on July 08, 2008, 12:03:47 PM
Blizzard has always had Mac clients for their games.

If only 5% of WOW players are on Macs, that's fine. What percentage of Mac gamers play WOW? >>>>> 5%.

If you get a focus group together I'd gladly talk about stuff wrong with the game. We could do it via Vent or TS.  I never wanted to type out a long drawn out "this is why this piece shit isn't worth 2 hours of your time much less fifty of your dollars" post because there were too many people STARSTRUCK by a new MMO release and it would have just been buried by brown nosers or people who eat up shitty games for a side-job.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: UnSub on July 08, 2008, 08:18:59 PM
most MMO companies can't handle the large amount of QA that is involved just for supporting windows, adding Mac support increases that even more.

There is more to the cost of porting a game then just writing cross-platform code.
The ironic thing is that the mac is now a better gaming platform than windows. The shit code of OS9 is long gone and they finally have decent cpus. But most importantly, it's a specific hardware platform more akin to a console. Windows boxes are a nightmare of incompatibility, comparatively.

Windows is consistently a nightmare of compatability, but has lots of people wanting to see that nightmare turned into working shape.

Macs (of which WoW would have launched during what, the beginning of OS9?) turn on the dime of Steve Jobs, who may decide to screw over gamers one day, just for the hell of it.

Of course, consoles are better gaming platforms than PCs and Macs. Does that mean a MMO developed for consoles will be the best of all? :grin:


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Evildrider on July 09, 2008, 05:55:28 AM
We had 95% of my guild from DDO go over and try AOC, we were all back in DDO a week later when the new mod hit there. 

Alot of us were hoping it would be a good game that we could play when DDO was slow, but it just turned out to be the same ole crap.  The combat system was nothing near innovative, not after coming from DDO where the combat is faster and more involved.



Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: squirrel on July 09, 2008, 07:39:27 AM
...of which WoW would have launched during what, the beginning of OS9?

Nope, not even close. OS 9 was launched in Oct. 1999. OS X Launched in 2001. So they both predate WoW by a significant amount of time. Not that it matters at all heh. OS 9 was discontinued in 2002.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Falconeer on July 09, 2008, 09:45:07 AM
not after coming from DDO where the combat is faster and more involved.

...

I quit the internet.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Draegan on July 09, 2008, 09:52:52 AM
not after coming from DDO where the combat is faster and more involved.

...

I quit the internet.

Wow, people play DDO enough to quit and come back to it?  Amazing.  You, sir, should be in a zoo so people can see you.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Miasma on July 09, 2008, 10:33:43 AM
My head is currently spinning at the trifecta of "active DDO guild"(astonished), "when DDO was slow"(unaware of a second option) and "DDO where the combat is faster and more involved"(baffled).

Spinning.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Count Nerfedalot on July 09, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
not after coming from DDO where the combat is faster and more involved.

...

I quit the internet.

kin I have ur stuff?  :grin:


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Evildrider on July 09, 2008, 09:17:49 PM
My head is currently spinning at the trifecta of "active DDO guild"(astonished), "when DDO was slow"(unaware of a second option) and "DDO where the combat is faster and more involved"(baffled).

Spinning.

Must have not played the game.. been playing it since beta.  The server merges a year ago really cleared up the population problems, and I'm on a pretty active server.

If you think that AOC's combat is good.. you must be crazy.  How is it different then WoW's.. oh ya instead of getting one attack off 1 button, you have to hit 4. 

The combat is faster in DDO then AoC.  Sounds like you all couldn't make it off the newbie isle.

DDO has pretty much caused me to hate games like WoW, LOTRO, and AoC.  It's definitely more innovative then all the WoW clones out that keep coming out.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: UnSub on July 09, 2008, 11:22:28 PM
DDO has a very active combat system with a 'live blade' attack, iirc.

Pity the single player game gets dull so quickly.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Evildrider on July 10, 2008, 12:16:37 AM
DDO has a very active combat system with a 'live blade' attack, iirc.

Pity the single player game gets dull so quickly.

Cuz it's not a single player friendly game, it's a group game  ;)


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Nija on July 11, 2008, 09:07:36 AM
Alright fine, link us to a youtube video showcasing how fast and awesome DDO combat is.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Morfiend on July 11, 2008, 09:17:28 AM
I would like to see what the subscriptions look like after the 20th of this month. How much of a drop do you guys think will happen? Personally I am thinking 10 to 15%.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Cheddar on July 11, 2008, 05:35:44 PM
I would like to see what the subscriptions look like after the 20th of this month. How much of a drop do you guys think will happen? Personally I am thinking 10 to 15%.

80%. 


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: tmp on July 11, 2008, 07:58:11 PM
1. No Mac client. See Blizzard for a company that gets this, and no coincidence is also at the top.
I'd say it is largely a coincidence, otherwise one could expect other companies which bother to cater to Mac gamers enjoy similar return of investment and be at the top as well... and it doesn't seem to be universally the case?

From Apple's page on games, these are MMOs with Mac client atm: Dofus, WoW, EVE, Toontown, Pirates of the Carribean, Tale in the Desert 3, Second Life, Lineage, Everquest, Vendetta Online, Shadowbane.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Jamiko on July 16, 2008, 11:08:42 AM
Well, I was having fun but lately I went through a run of bugs that gave me Anarchy Online flashbacks so I canceled and will now give it time to improve or I'll move on to other games.


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: photek on July 17, 2008, 12:25:08 AM
I would like to see what the subscriptions look like after the 20th of this month. How much of a drop do you guys think will happen? Personally I am thinking 10 to 15%.

25-40%


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: PandaSilvia on August 08, 2008, 06:12:30 PM
Is anyone going to be left when I get around to actually playing this game?

 :tantrum:

Yes, the lvl 80 addicts that wait to gank people like you :P and possibly a couple other late-bloomers to AoC...


Title: Re: Why aren't you playing?
Post by: Wasted on August 21, 2008, 10:44:54 PM
I logged in for the first time in close to a month and (predictably) Bat Country was empty, the latest someone else had logged in was 10 days ago.  I checked out my character on the oceanic server and found myself guildless, looks like the guildleaders of that guild had quit and the few remaining people did a springclean.  there are 8 people left in that guild which had close to 40 I think before I stopped playing.

Running around for a few hours doing some quests there was no chat in the general/global channels and I think I saw only 5 other people.