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Inspired by the BB multispec thread!

Armor-tanking Drake (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=675)

Ushra'Khan pilot decided to come rat deep in providence and did it wrong.  Those WCS in his cargo hold might have saved his ass, too.

This one was funny.

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/223325/fitting#items

Very clear lesson: don't rush to the hull unless you can fit the fittings too.

WTF, 3 railguns on a vaga?

I was on six kills in that one and a half minute fight, and three of them were serious candidates for this thread.

That almost seems like a desperation fit, trying to make a ship out of hangar scrapings.  T1 guns (and the wrong kind) in the highs with T2 on the mids and lows is a classic sign of a logistical breakdown.  Roadkill got their back to the wall?

--Dave

You could say that. We busted their jumpbridge so now they have no route to empire or refitting. We've taken 3 major systems from them and are about to get a foodhold in a 4th.

If we get this foodhold tonight, it's effectively over.

WTF is a foodhold?

They have a PoS in every moon in the system; we attacked them on friday night and one of the PoSes comes out of reinforced in about 10 minutes - If we destroy that, and put our own up, then we have a safe place to stage our capitals and our titan(s) to destroy the other PoSes in the system. Since the cynojammer gets incapped and repaired, incapped and repaired, being able to log out capitals somewhere is pretty critical to taking a system as we can't reliably bridge them in.

Not to mention, refocusing their assault on a (soon to be heavily defended) friendly PoS instead of trying to take back or harass other systems. There are a lot of other reasons, but it boils down to the first step in taking a well defended system is to get a foothold PoS in it.

... and I would say that we will, since (live updates here) the tower is at 90% hull, we have 250 in system and 7 are hostile.  Their break-in attempt went south.  i wish they would jump in in force though :(

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/215294

I thought that too at first, but I dunno: a couple of weeks ago he was already showing this nascent talent for fitting ships:

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/215294

On the other hand, people used to laugh at the huge amounts of T1 cruisers with T1 fittings FIX would lose when we were under siege (we were sometimes called "BoB's goons, but without the numbers").  What the failed to notice was that we *had* such a shitload of them present all the time, in an extended battle our people weren't going back to Empire to kit out, they were going to non-hostile stations and POS and grabbing "cannon fodder" ships, usually pre-fitted.  We had an explicit doctrine of only bringing out the good stuff for critical strategic fights, we cussed people out for bringing T2 fitted battleships on raid or counter-raid gangs, or fitting high-grade faction/officer stuff on anything but a capital (if you want to throw away money, we always need more POS in the reserves).  I personally had about 40 dictors and a dozen Covert Ops salted away at POS all over the region.  I lost 10 dictors at the second Battle of the Egg in ED-, I literally never got more than 2 bubbles off per ship but between me and the other guy who had stockpiled dictors we had bubbles on every assault.  I lost a half-billion isk worth of coverts on another day, when I was trying to slow down a reinforcement fleet by presenting them with a target.

If the odds aren't good, don't reinforce failure and throw away strength that might be decisive later.  That being said, although a lot of the "Fortress Querious" doctrine got copied, Roadkill never was a quick study.

--Dave

You can't beat BRUCE for institutionalised bad fittings.  They had a reimbursement system for PVP losses but you'd only get cash if you used pre-approved setups.  Unfortunately whoever designed the standard fits wasn't very good so you'd have long range fleets BS fleets that couldn't hit past 140Km and so forth.  Everyone who actually PVPed knew these setups were terrible but they wanted reimbursements anyway so you'd have fail fleet after fail fleet getting wiped out with ease and everyone getting progressively more pissed off.  Through sheer inertia I guess they never started using decent fits.

That's a big part of why they got kicked out of Fountain so easily.

Yeah, when the PL guys (and primarily girl) started leaking the Bruce "mark three" battleship fits to us it became horribly apparent why they were in a death spiral.  Even for our (Bat/AM's) BRUCE pos-killing op I was able to ask for fits that would let us pick them off even if they engaged with superior numbers, especially since I knew where to set up a ton of bookmarks in advance, inside our range but beyond theirs.

Noticed this one on Dwindlehop's blog:   http://www.blackguardcoalition.org/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=691 (http://www.blackguardcoalition.org/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=691)

What a weird fitting... I bet he could spin on a dime, but instead of a MWD he has a named afterburner? And he was carrying a lot of loot in that tissue paper Rifter.

You could have refined them and put the minerals to good use, like buying t2 fit battleships. Having cheap replacement ships is all fine and good, but you will lose more isk by keeping your gang using lower quality gear over the course of a number of engagements than you will by fitting quality gear. You lose it in potential profits against gangs you cannot kill, and the lost friendly and hostile wrecks you will not have access to.

Re: Bruce MK3.

The problem was not bruce fitting 140km snipers. 140km is plenty of sniping range, if you are doing the dictating and are moving around. It keeps an enemy fleet from warping in on you to short range, but if they are longer range than you, you can still warp in to your optimal on them.

The problem was that Bruce didn't have any snipers, they had 70-100km remote rep battleship gangs with no to few damage mods and 100k+ EHP. Remote rep just doesn't work like that. The only RR ships that should be getting close to those numbers are Geddons, Domis, and Phoons(drones, pulse lasers, and drones/cruise missiles respectively) and even they are usually shy of the mark. Yea, range is very important, but you just don't have the resources to tackle anything out there and when you do its either not going to do you any good because its a sniper gang setting up a warp in, or its a nano-gang kiting your tacklers and killing them.

If you warped a BS sniping gang right on top of them they did alright. If you warped a proper RR BS gang on top of them they got slaughtered. If you weren't on top of them you could kite their tacklers and kill stuff that wandered away from the RR blob

A T1 support cruiser you have in the battle is infinitely more firepower than a T2 sniping BS you don't because the pilot is broke, or back in Empire fitting.  The vast majority of PvP encounters have little strategic significance, if you can force the enemy to behave like they're facing hostiles, and bleed them at 3 to 1 or more on actual isk loss, and you can keep that up for months, you can stand off almost any invasion.  But you need to preserve your high priced ships for when it counts.

Yes, there's no substitute for range in a sniping BS, and you need a useful minimum range for "long lance" tactics.  But for that, you need to have them available.  Beyond that, in a sustained battle (6 hours or more), the first side to run out of reinforcements has to leave the field, and we never ran out of reinforcements.  Over the course of a long campaign, the first side to run out of money loses, and that's not just POS and other major strategic supplies, but the individual wallets of the pilots.  Invasions against FIX always went the same way: In the small battles, we got our butts kicked at first on kill rates while coming out hugely ahead on isk (even after factoring for loot, because our wrecks weren't worth much).  But as things went on, as the enemy started running out of funds and either showing up in lower-grade ships or going home to rat and earn isk, we did successively better.  And through the whole process, when we needed top-tier ships for a decisive battle, we put out the call and we got them, frequently inflicting huge defeats because the enemy had come to underestimate our capabilities based on our small-gang performance.

If you don't try to get people to hold back on their isk commitment, they'll sap their own ability to continue, and you'll be reduced to bitching about how everyone's fit sucks, and you aren't getting enough sniper BS when you really need them, because people simply won't have it to give.  On offensives, you want quick resolution, on defense you want to wear the enemy down while avoiding a resolution, then take the counter-offensive with the capability you banked.

--Dave

Gou, Fix fought a series of defensive campaigns and survived all but the last.  We've fought only one since we started fighting LV, against Bob at the Detorid border.  We won that one, and although we won it for a variety of reasons we had relatively few T2 snipers throughout (although there were usually quite a few of us in Rokhs doing ghetto imitations, I admit).  Once we reached RISE, I remember the FC on one op - I'm pretty sure it was suas but it could have been scavok - saying "look at all those fuckin T2 snipers" when someone posted a killmail.

The fact is that the tactics Mahrin describes are the ones we succeeded with for a long time.  By way of contrast, last night 70-odd of us in euro time sat in a system with three hostiles and sieged dreads to reinforce their towers.  If we had had 80 smash in local, even if they were in cheap, disposable cruisers in the main, we'd never have entered siege mode and very possibly not hit the towers.  At the worst for Smash, they'd have neutralised our activity for a full timezone. If they had been aggressive with such a nominal capital investment, they could conceivably have done even more.

Everybody survives everything but the last one.  But yeah, for the two years I was with FIX, we were under defensive siege for 15 months.  And I mean *active* siege, with enemy fleets in our space almost every day.  Never outnumbered by less than 2 to 1 in raw membership, and sometimes as much as 5 to 1.
That was our doctrine.  *Never* let the enemy get anything for free.  Just being there, even understrength, constricts his options and slows his offensive tempo.  And often, they get sloppy and you can jump on a sub-section of them or some stragglers.

Every single time we threw an invader out, their rank and file were confused as hell.  It always seemed like they were winning, but somehow they never actually won.  When anybody else would have been demoralized, broke, and basically broken, we were still fighting back as hard as ever.  IAAAC and D2 were both completely shocked that the alliance they had been cutting through in most of the fights like a scythe through wheat had not only held the ground, but counter-attacked as if the whole campaign had never happened and we were fresh as daisies.  For the last month or so of both of those sieges, we were actually holding back, letting them keep thinking victory was almost in their reach, so we could keep bleeding them.  When we finally did push back, D2 went into failure cascade and IAC came close.

--Dave

EDIT: Gou, look at it this way: If there's a skirmish, and Side A loses 1 T2-fitted sniper BS, and Side B loses 10 T1 cruisers, who won?  Side A will certainly *feel* like they did, after all they see all those enemy wrecks.  But they lost 120M, and the "losers" lost maybe 30M.  Repeat that 10 times a day for a few weeks, and Side A is going to lose half their guys to go earn isk, and the other half aren't aren't going to be riding much better ships than Side B.  Then Side B provokes a major battle, breaks out the good stuff, and calls in the allies, giving them a qualitative advantage and near numeric parity.  You only have to win the battles that *count* strategically, other than that it's a matter of attrition.  You just need your people not to invest too much ego in their kill ratios.

In what wacky world does a t2 fit sniping battleship cost 120m?

 :evil:  :roflcopter: CHATPORN LEAK FROM GOONFLEET  :roflcopter:  :evil:

Thread names:

"[Discuss] Amarr Buff Dev Blog *** NO GOUMINDONG ZONE ***"
"[SPEC] Amarr Buff Speculation/Hope Thread ***NO Goumindong ZONE***"

And searching for Goumindong in the Pve/PvP forum returns these as the most recent results (I did not select or miss out any... this is unedited):

• "god damn it goumindong why do I have to spell this out for you"
• "Here's some advice, never listen to anything Goumindong says even if it sounds right."
• "Edit: I just realized I am arguing with goumindong. It would be a more productive use of my time to repeatedly bash my head against a brick wall covered in broken glass. Probably a good deal less painful as well. Carry on with your thread, gentlemen."
• "Why is Goum posting I have him on ignore jesus but I hit view post and oh god he is just retarded. Also BS's cost 2-4 times as much as a BC while CS's cost only like 1.5-2 as HACS as much tops."
• "we need to make a word filter for pvp/pve for goumindong => http://goonfleet.com/profile.php?do=...ignore&u=17016"
• "goumindong get THE FUCK out "
• "please stop quoting Goumindong tia"
• "You need to stop posting. Do you want to be the next Goumindong?"

It just goes on like this.  Again, I don't want anyone to think that I'm editing, picking and choosing or otherwise making the poor chap look bad.  I didn't stop because the next one was complimentary (it was worse).  Don't take advice on fittings or tactics from Goumindong.

Edit: Gou is a keen and conscientious attendee of operations with, I suspect, possibly one of the highest rates of attendance in the alliance.  He is just an awful poster/theorycrafter.

Gou, he's saying it costs roughly 120 million in losses after the insurance payout of roughly 100 million.

Gou actually sent me a fairly useful PM w/ thoughts on skill training and t1 ships.  I dont think he quite understands that each alliance/region/warfare type/opponent creates a different reality of eve pvp to some degree.  So just because GS did it/does it this way doesn't mean that is "the way".

And I am saying that he is getting a really shitty deal on his modules. T2 fittings haven't been expensive enough to not use since invention came out. Cost after insurance is roughly 20-40m and the difference in loss between a t2 fit cruiser and t2 fit BS is nearly entirely in the hull and covered by insurance. Yea, go ahead and throw away cruisers while letting your enemy loot and salvage the wrecks. If you can't get the forces mustered then don't fight.

Every time you fly something that is of less quality t2 you are costing your alliance money. Its a very simple collective action problem. Why do you think that BoB don't use frigates? Because they collectively lose less in isk when everyone is flying the efficient and high quality ships.

Re: Endie, its actually that pretty much everyone else is worse, a whole lot worse.

We killed a couple of Smash capitals yesterday, and the one I got in on was a testament to why you shouldn't rush to get into a capital before you can fit it out: http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/224204

Yes, that is a genuine, change-from-20,000-ISK-even-at-0.0-prices Damage Control I.  I find it funnier, however, that a carrier pilot has quite so many T1 drones in his bay.  He's not fitting smartbombs, after all, so it's not to cut the cost of popping them.  And 13 mining drone I's?!?

Large reps on a capital aka "Remedial fit"  :awesome_for_real:

http://kb.eve-gods.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14715

That's not a bad fit for easy high sec pve stuff, is it?

First: battleship mods on a capital ship?  I think he doesn't know the difference.

Second: A carrier is killed by a pair of T2 cruisers?  Aahahahaha.

According to the comments it was a guy and his alt, double-boxing I presume.

I don't know anything about flying carriers so how was this possible?
How can the dps of two hacs kill his tank?
Can't his fighters take out two hacs?

Most of the damage was done by an NPC. I guess they stumbled across him while he was getting AFK faceraped and joined in the fun.

I've heard of carriers being lost while AFK and this guy had exactly 1 tanking module on.  The Curse probably wrecked his capacitor and let the rats do the work.

I feel bad for killing this guy. (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=704)

But that's what he gets for trying to gank miners in Kheram.

Looks like he was ratting, mining and PvPing... all with the same fit.  Does he not know you can leave your spare items in a station?

Bear in mind that I believe that for example, if he was ratting, in no danger of being popped by the rats but then got popped by a player all the tanked NPC damage will show on the killmail. So despite having the larger % of the damage the rat may have been no where near capable of killing him, just ineffectively wailing on him for along time

Raven (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2591)

Yeah cause there is nothing better to put in the mids of a raven than 3 Sensor Boosters!

Don't forget hauling. That WCS gimping his sensors is full of win.

That raven isn't as awful a fit as you think it is; it looks like it's the DPS part of a plex running team.

Actually, I think it was going to help rep a POS in 25S that was coming out of reinforced in an hour.  But the sensor boosters just don't make much sense.

So far, I think this one is a winner! It hits ALL the high notes.

http://www.vendetta-alliance.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2528

Oh man, battleship-class laser...

Thats just wrong on sooo many levels.

That is almost painfull to look at. 

take it away!!! It is burning my eyes!

Maybe he had an unfitted dread and a random bunch of modules in a station which he needed to move. I've done similar things, thinking I hope I won't get popped, it would make one hell of a comedy killmail.

I think that he just finished learning the skills for dreadnaughts (and Citadel torps) and was impatient to take one out for a spin.

Or maybe had no money left over after buying the dread?  T1 modules all over   :ye_gods:

Please tell me why he brought a blackbird!

http://eve-vanguard.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5825

http://kb.hydra-alliance.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28236%00

Somebody didn't get 'use your lows for tanking' :grin:

I actually plugged that into EFT it was so bad.  His laser ranges are 5, 9, 11, 17, 19, 21 and 44 km.  If he manages to get targets at those varied ranges, his dps is a stunning 112.  He's getting 165 armor repped per cycle - roughly a quarter what he would get from a single T1 large.  There is absolutely nothing correct on that rig.

Can you run two shield boosters at once?  That's the second time I've seen that fitted and I daren't try it out myself by undocking for thirty seconds, for fear of being ganked in the process and having to post the lossmail.

You can't. You need to run amps for extra effect.

Indeed.  I know you can stack amps, as well, which would probably be a neat trick with a T2 XL Booster if you were playing undock games.

I don't know, it looks to me like the lows are all set for tanking.  All Civilian Armor reppers and one Small (!).  On a battleship.

Then he has structure covered with the meds.  Structure tanking ftw! 

I think we have a new thread winner.

When I was flying the newbie missions I fitted 2 civilian sheild boosters on my noobship. Made me invulnerable against the tutorial level rats. Huge use of cap though.

What the... WHA?

Never question a Hydra fit, just assume it sucks. This one, moreso, but still standard Hydra lawls.

Even assuming the reppers were just a  :ye_gods:

What is with the completely random crystal selection in the guns?!

I remember just starting out and flying with assorted guns too.  If no one tells you otherwise, you can go a long time with some really bad ideas.

I just looked back at my earliest PvP losses and yeah, I had a hull repper fitted too.  And I didn't know that a damage control needed to be activated, oops.

Structure tanking. Its for real men.

 :drill:

Awesome Megathron fit (http://www.wearrsoyarr.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=241772) and a Rokh setup (http://www.wearrsoyarr.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=241949) I'll definitely be copying]

Standard Missiles Curse (http://gallente.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16604)

That Curse can neut at 75km if he had tanked it better he could have pwned his mids are awful.

The mega mail is bugged, like it didn't display destroyed fittings (missiles, but no launcher)

Either way, the fit is  :ye_gods: Light missiles, medium guns, and a salvager on a BS? I mean sure, my mission running domi has a tiny gun, but he's got drones, man!

Since I can't sleep, for your enjoyment:

The world's worst Rattlesnake fit (http://eve-vanguard.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6000)

if you cant sleep log in and help shoot the POS

Phoenix (http://eve-vanguard.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6239)

Hull tanked, Lasertix (http://www.unseen.pl/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2153), Navy Minerthron (http://popit.10100.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2178) (fun game with this one, play 'Spot the tank!'), a Mega that thinks it's a destroyer (http://voodookills.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=843) and a Marauder pilot who never wants to lock anyone ever (http://roadkill.igs-corp.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=78466).

With TWO t2 salvaging rigs to boot.  :ye_gods:

Look at his cargo - I doubt he wanted to lock anyone.

Navy Issue Minerthron... words fail...

And as people mentioned in the comments, those rocks weren't warping anywhere with him having a scram fitted...

It is obvious the marauder dude was travel fit (though too dumb to scout with an alt as well), and ran into a sabre bubble.

I was reading an entertaining blog written by a well spoken low-sec pirate and came across a link to one of the worst fits I've ever seen.  Behold, the tri-tanked laser Myrmidon! (http://mod.inholdgroup.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1803)

I could excuse the lasers.  When I played I did L3 missions in a passive shield tanked Myrmidon fitted with small lasers (to pop frigates while the Medium T2 drones took out the cruisers and battlecruisers).  But a shield booster, armor repper *and* hull repper?  :ye_gods:

Lasers are fine, he probably wants to save on ammo and the ship doesn't get any gunnery bonuses so the type doesn't matter.  The tanking is the weird thing... REALLY weird.

Small armor repper, medium hull repper.  Two shield boosters.

If you think about it as a shield tanked ship with a mini-repair facility onboard, it makes sense.  He basically never has to dock.  No repairs or ammo needed.

Teh uber deepspace ratter build!!!111!!!

Instead of wasting valuable slots though, you could tank right and never worry about getting into structure :)

So I'm poking around for ideas on how to fit a Mega for PvP as I can fly one, but never have yet.  Was looking over killboards to see what fittings people had used and came across this -

Mixing Guns 101
 (http://eve-vanguard.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7887)

Maybe he didn't have guns available and was just fitting them as he looted them?  :uhrr:

I'll see your mixed gun mega and raise you an artillery/autocannon/cruise/torpedo Typhoon (http://eve-vanguard.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7486)

Any thing with a dual railgun is by default a scavenge fit as no one would buy a dual railgun.

Those are all Autocannons.  Sometimes they're called "repeating artillery" just to keep you on your toes.

You're correct on the cruise lauchers though.  "Which one of these modules is doing its own thing?"

Ra...ven? (http://btls.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=328534)

Nice! I'm a-gonna git me one of everthing on mah spaceyship!

At least this guy was getting bonuses from every weapon he used, had some arbys, correct size MWD and everything....even though mixed range this doesn't really deserve to be in awful fittings....triple trimarked, dual plated typhoons are all the rage these days I hear! ;)

 :rofl:

You non Minmatar pilots! He only has close range projectiles on there. And he has mostly close range missiles, he just didn't have the grid for the last siege launcher because of all the plates and armor rep. (Triple plated, btw.) Yeah, he doesn't understand resistances worth a crap, granted, but his highs aren't *crazy* bad. Well, the cloak is pretty sucky. This guy has heard of decent fits, but lost something in the translation...

Edit: His real mistake was fitting out a Minmatar ship with T1 mods.

Oh dear... What do you mean, stacking penalty? (http://bdkb.sgnonline.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6182)

Same guy: http://bdkb.sgnonline.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6183

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/914037/page/1#9 (http://www.eve-search.com/thread/914037/page/1#9)

Carbit character sale thread about a week before both those KM's.  :grin:

GG intarnet detective  :drill:

Yout heard of SHield Tanking

You heard of Armour tanking.

I present to you THE PASSIVE SHIELD TANK PASSIVE ARMOUR PLATE RAVEN!!! (http://a-kills.com/details.php?id=192625)

With a prototype cloak of locking time penalty put in.

For added comedy I flew with this idiot for over a year.

A decent bait fit, I guess.
Whatever damage he absorbed might have saved somebody else...

I imaging set up for doing the classic "Wait at long range with clocaked remore repping Ravens to give illusion that gate is clear, then when something comes through have cloaked dictor drop bubble and have Ravens spam missiles." Battle Angels are famuos for it.

But this was a fleet fight...

Wow, I'd like to know the EHP of that.  Though I can't help but think that a DCU or EANM II might have capped off a bait fit better.

I think the prototype cloak was ok because it's not like that ship will ever break anything's tank.  No real need to lock anything at all.

Edit to include:


One in which it sounds like he was not at all confident of the outcome. And with good reason since he's on a killmail.  For that matter the entire fit's purpose is negated if it ever shows up on a killmail.

I agree with Jayce I've seen these bait ships used a few times now one in Zs- a DCU and EANM would increase your HP and a mix of resists are good in a RR situation. The two carriers that we took down last night neither had a DCU vOv

Posting this because a friend in The Mavericks thought it was funny and I'm too drunk to argue.

[Maelstrom/url] (http://rive-eve.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3023)

He must really love that fit because he did it again the next day:

http://astrominia.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11868

It's not the worst Mael fit I've ever seen definitely doesn't belong in this thread could never be categorized as awful.

Are we looking at the maelstrom with SPR's, no damage mods, no invuln fields, 3 shield extenders and a shield booster?

Cause if we are, then yes, it deserves to go in an awful fitting thread.

You are right!
All the poor chap did was mix gun types, mix a passive tank with an active one, fit a cruiser mwd on a battleship and then wasted 3 low slots on stuff that doesn't aid his tank in any meaningful way. :ye_gods:

edit: crap beaten, shouldn't have gone for that coffee :)

Hmm didn't really look at it closely to be honest on second glance you are correct 10mn MWD mixed T1 guns passive and active shield booster mix it's terribad.

http://astrominia.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12029

As bad as GROON is, apparently ANZAC ALLIANCE is worse.

Haulercane (http://bdkb.sgnonline.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8028). Who needs a tank?

What's strange to me is the cap rechargers.  Neither missiles nor artillery (nor cargo extenders  :uhrr:) take any cap.

Is it important to permarun your MWD when driving your haulercane?

Looks like he simply emptied his low slots and kept the rest, his armor tank is in his cargo.

Assuming that's the case (which is likely), his tank consists of a MAR, a couple of active hardeners and a DCU. You shouldn't need 3 cap rechargers to run those in a battlecruiser. Even with an AB going.

I'd have to do way more EFTing than I'm likely to, but this could depend on skills.  If he's totally ignored cap recharge skills....   :oh_i_see:

If he'd totally ignored cap recharge skills he'd still be better off with a single booster plus possibly a battery than he would with 3 cap rechargers. The second and third recharger are giving a negligible amount of additional cap regen.

Its a mission fit. AB+perma tank. EM/Kin/Ex..

cap boosters break the point of the perma tank. Cap batteries are not efficient on battlecruisers.

A single LCB II[Large Cap Battery II] gives roughly 25% increase in cap size and recharge for a BC. Since he is perma running that is irrelevant. It also uses 100 cpu and 275 powergrid. An MCB II costs 75 CPU and 75 PG and gives a 14% increase in cap

A CR as he fit gives 18%.

Now, its also unlikely that he could even fit an LCBII since he is using best named CRs. The best named LCB provides a 21.6% increase in cap and recharge.

Now, cap recharge and size is not a stacking penalized attribute. But at perfect skills, to perma run the tank, he needs to fit three cap rehcarges[stable at 49%, 2 will run for 12 minutes]. We can assume slightly less than perfect skills and that he is stable somewhere around 35%. Assuming perfect skills your recharge goes from 15.6 to 18.3 or so with the modules.

In short: Its a mission fit and he put his tank in his cargo to move it and some other stuff.

edit: I am assuming mar+3 hardeners, 5 hardeners he needs perfect skills to stay cap stable. but is probably good enough for missions

This is pretty obviously a low-SP pilot.  He's using named cap rechargers which cost a LOT more than the T2 modules.  In fact, the only mods he has the t2 requirements for are the armor tanking gear.  This is someone who has armor repair IV and hull upgrades V but poor electronics/engineering skills.  Probably.

Hey, now, I can't use cap recharger IIs yet and I'm a mid-SP pilot. I never can seem to justify the time to train the skill when I can pay a little more for F-b10s that are almost as good.

Uberpimped Drake (http://killboard.badwo.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=814). File this under 'more money than sense' I think.

ahahahah he was in S-U.  100% guarantee he was grinding L4s for ED.

A 4.7 Billion ISK drake in 0.0?  What?  Why?

That drake reminds me of this quote in a Wired article (http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-12/ff_ige) on the demise of IGE.

Minerthron (http://403error.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=929) killed by a solo Punisher for added lulz.

This weeks winner is http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5275

I don't even know where to start with that one.  Masterpiece.

That made my head hurt.

Obviously he's going for an unnerfable setup.  Quite clever really.

This is why you shouldn't fly ships just because you have the skill to get behind the wheel.

Lolstarte (http://bloodrose.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=217).

Missing slots (apparently their CEO tells them not to fit points  :uhrr:).
Uber blaster + Heatsink combo
T1 hardeners and shittiest plate possible.

But hey, he can fit T2 medium guns and fly an Astarte so he must be pretty uber amirite?

Also, blasters and a sensor booster?

For killing arazus, clearly.

Could be worse

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/279582/fitting#items

Reeks of just bought on ebay.

For those who don't do capitals, that's a dreadnought that cannot enter siege.

You apparently hadn't seen my recently nerfed nano-Moros!!!

The Drones off a Moros are fucking scary!  :ye_gods:

First winner of the new year No clue what is going on here (http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=sara+shadow&id=5521242&page=1&filter=losses#mail). You need to scroll down to see the failfit - it's the CNR kill in case the page loads weirdly.

W T F

seriously....what

the

fuck

He seems to have been ratting as well, judging from the lowbie loot and crappy salvage...

Loaded him in EFT, and he gets about 50 dps, 412 m/s and has twice the cap regen he needs with all mods active.

Can you even do L2s in this?

Damn son, that fitting is nearly as painful as browsing battleclinic.

Light missiles and a shadow serpentis afterburner....  go back to eBay and choose an easier game?

Is this a carrier with a battleship-sized tank and medium remote reps?  I think it is. (http://a-kills.com/details.php?id=205635)

Look at all that damn T1 gear!

Sidenote:  I really, really, really hate -A-'s killboard.

Yeah we has some ZAF guys on TS last night and even they were laughing out about the shitty setup.

Good job he had plenty of cap recharge to sustain that epic tank.

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/281616

Not a bad setup as such (for ratting), but your eyes will bleed at all the isk lost as you look down the list.

And he went down like a ton of bricks too...

But the worst thing is that I missed being on the mail by 5 seconds :)

Heard this on the warp drive active podcast (FAILMAIL)

Our old alliance, Vanguard, killed a nice one.

I give you - the Heavy Missile Rattlesnake:  http://eve-vanguard.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6000

Aw Sir T, is that the roaming gang I decided to skip because I'd been up for too long already?  God damn you guys!

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5660

Ok I'm not even sure what this guy was trying to do. A drake with just a large shield booster for his tank and yet having shield boost rigs?

Has a pretty heavy damage throw-wieght I guess, but if you want that, fly a Ferox, its cheaper and better.

I don't think that belongs in awful fittings TBH, looks like it could have been a bugged KM or something. People just don't triple rig drakes and forget they have lows and mids. Not like having more mid tank would have saved him from that ass raping anyway. Looks like he was just trying to inch some DPS out of a shitty DPS ship heheh.

I don't know where else to post this. (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/283393)  It's too awesome!

That is fucking epic.

Epic fail. Wow. That's in the 'hey mom, I just made an ice mining alt in just 3 weeks of training' school ...

Since it's come up elsewhere, I thought I'd share my first pvp loss.  I got ganked on a gate in lowsec, of course.

Look how much of a noob I was! (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=158)

Edit: I should mention that I didn't even know damage controls needed to be activated at the time.

This is pretty :shobon:

Love that Domi fit, I might start running it :)

Trojan Horse Badger! OMG that rules.

He probably forgot the skills for the hobgoblins since they were in his drone bay.

Otherwise its very hard to kill a manknaw/hulk like that if they have their drones.

Really?  Even with a civilian shield booster?

My Mackinaw is made out of wet tissue paper, even with a good tank. NPC rats kick the shit out of me regularly and make me warp away- a competent player should be able to do the same. Although I am not sure if the Badger DPS could outshoot my drones, since Badgers have shit for EHP too...

Maybe not with a civvie shield booster, but yea, badgers have very low hit points and less DPS than the maknaw by a good margin

Most likely it was a macrominer or someone who didn't know the first thing about pvp and only had the drones to scare off frigate rats.

On the subject of mining failmails I give you the untanked Rorqual (http://ups.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=440087) fitted for cargo and er.. cap recharge?

You don't fly rorqs, I imagine, but that is an utterly standard low/mid travel fit for a rorq, and there is nothing wrong with it except that he should have swapped his highs out for smartbombs and neuts as a last gamble to get away if he got caught by a solo inty or something: it is intended to get your cap up to jump level up in the shortest possible time, and I'll bet almost every rorq killmail ever has cargo expanders on, since that's what people use them for outside pos shields.

His problem will have been what he did when he got there.  Presumably the system was empty when he lit his cyno.  He should have had the cyno pilot as FC, and with a deep safe set up so that he could fleet-warp to that: even though the cyno pilot doesn't move, the fleet members will warp there, so the rorq could cloak up in complete safety unless the hostile gang jumped in within c.25 seconds minus time to warp to the cyno.  If that happens then a full midslot tank wouldn't have saved him if they had a few points, as they'd just have called for help (as they presumably did with the mega at bottom damage turning up late).

Of course, moving that many blueprints one might have fitted a few stabs instead of cargo expanders in the lows and done it without the bulky stuff.  But I bet he died through not warping out at once or cloaking up at the cyno/a planet at 100km or some other retarded piece of thinking.  Otherwise he was spectacularly unlucky.

In summary, slightly sub-optimal but not terrible at all.

I stand corected then, I was thinking you'd want to tank it at least slightly (DCU II) and possibly fit warp core stabs to it if you were just hauling. Our alliance directors shout at people who get caught in untanked capitals just because they are hauling.

Then your directors are idiots.  If you're doing capital-based logistics, you want to move as much as possible with as few ships as possible as quickly as possible (with operational realities forcing tradeoffs between those three options).  If you're tanking, you've already fucked up, and getting the op over with before the enemy can crash the party is far better than having a tank (and fitting a tank will mean delays, one way or another).

--Dave

Speaking of capital fits

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/284350/fitting#items

For thos wondering whats so bad about that...

First look at the amount of people on the killmail (A tower. Nothing else)

Next look at the rig slots (none fitted)

Finally look in adoration at the cargo bay (2 Capacitor Control Circuit rigs and a Trimark Armour Pump rig in the cargo bay where they are always useful)

Profit.

Towers, especially faction fit faction towers have no problems killing dreads in siege. Granted, most competent people should by this point be able to not have that happen, but its not that rare(and requires you to know whats going on)

Not deserving of awful fitting TBH. But I'm a hater.

I dunno, carrying your rigs in cargo seems enough to let it squeeze in...

Known bug with killmails (rigs showing up as not fitted when they actually are). More of a case of 'do not enter siege when at 20% cap, particularly when there are still tons of neutralizers on the POS'.

Or don't try soloing a POS just because you have a dread.

Nah he wasn't alone, POS had gunners. Any properly set up POS can kill a dread if there are gunners online and it sieges.

http://morsus-mihi.net/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=156200

Note the pro ecm burst fit... (not remote...)

Dunno, I don't mind the burst, they can be -the- wildcards on slow locking/warp stabbed ships, if all else fails...

(they're even more likely to fail than "all else", though)

Apart from the ECM burst, I'm not seeing the fail? Is it because he's using cheap T2 stuff instead of faction/officer mods?

Also there are 25 hostile caps on that killmail  :ye_gods:

The 25 caps do not tell the full story.

Basically you see the 11 Morsus Mihi subcaps on the killmail? They probed him down when he went afk uncloaked, pointed him and chopped him down to 25% structure all by themselves and sat there asking their allies up to get on the killmail. They sat there with him and the goons basically said thanks but kill him as they were 30 jumps away and would not beat PL there, so PL cynoed in a lot of caps, all locked him up and then they all blew his remaining health apart in one volley. That's why you see a Rapier outdamaging several Dreadnoughts!

But the big thing people were talking about was the lack of officer smartbombs for the extra range, and a basic neutralizer since the neut is to drain down the cap of any heavy dictors and break their point.

But yeah the guy spent 19 billion on a ship and skimped on the gear. One of the things about supercaps is that you are generally fighting the best equipment the game has to offer. He went down like a ton of bricks.

Did someone rename this the "Slightly dubious supercap fit thread" ?

I hold supercaps to a higher standard because hopefully you have a clue and put some thought into it when you're dropping tens of billions on a ship.

You obviously think ISK Quotient is = to IQ.

If anything, isk makes you stupid.

No not intelligent, but I'd expect you've been around long enough to pick up a thing or two.  Unless you straight up bought the isk, which just makes it much funnier.

Truer words have rarely been spoken.

This was linked to me
http://bdkb.sgnonline.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8657

I am not sure what is worse, the fitting or the fact that pirates actually wasted the sec to kill him.

Huh. Perhaps the owner had heard that "nano rules" and didn't really understand ... how modules work?

Posted that one two pages ago (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=13494.msg572053#msg572053). It's my alliance KB.

Bionic Dawn of the Venal area?  Are you still allied with Vanguard? They were looking to buddy up with you guys when we were with them.

We don't currently have standings set with them and we aren't in Venal anymore. We moved to Vale and now we're in Domain/Providence.

http://killboard.heretic-nation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16026 (http://killboard.heretic-nation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16026)

Make sure you read the first comment.

ESL ftl.

I took 10 minutes just to process the utter fail here.  I think we have a new thread winner.

Dominix:
Frigate class GUNS
NO DRONES
BCS Is (no missiles, mind)
Cruiser-class microwarp drive

And he then goes and cries on the enemy's killboard about it.

I put it into EFT because I was that bored and with maxed skills it gets a mighty 64 DPS and 36k EHP - apart from the bonus from the single T1 invulnerability field all the resists are the base ship values.. It also takes 15.7 seconds to lock a Battleship, as he has light ACs and no drones I can't even imagine how painful it must be to try and lock stuff that he can actually kill.

The second and third are pretty funny too I wouldn't be wishing anyone back to war with me with those sorta fits.

Well if he was just belt ratting in lowsec like it appears, that should be more than enough DPS to handle the spawns.

That's why people use frigates for lowsec ratting not 50m worth of uninsured battleship putting out 50 Dps.

See how long it takes you to spot the awful part in this fitting - http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/289220/fitting#items (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/289220/fitting#items)

I've always found it unfair that the Gallente have a missile boat.  Why couldn't the Nemesis be a 425mm railgun platform with huge tracking bonuses instead?  That would be so much more useful than requiring a whole new set of weaponry skills to training.

Heh, THAT would be fun to fly.

Because that would be hideously sick and unbalanced. Cloaking instapopping 150k sniper? Yes please!

How do you make a t2 cruiser loss cost about as much as a carrier these days?

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/289592/fitting#items

2 Dread Gurista invulnerability fields... didn't make him invulnerable.

People actually use F.O.F.?

Vexor that does it all! (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/289670/fitting#items)

Belt ratting carrier! (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/290134)

lol @ FeatherDust using the wrong ECM on that carrier.

Swiss Army Cane (http://www.a-war.fi/exalted/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7026) 

Ok I stole the tagline but I thought it was fitting.

That's a cute fit. It reminds me of my noobie days. If you happen to have the skills and the description seems to be somewhat beneficial: fit it.

A fine example of a glass cannon (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5969), although I wouldn't imagine it would have hit too well either, T1 ballistic controls!

Another run of the mill "ready for anything" awesome battleship setup.  I only post because the wonderfully random Hacking bonus rig and the 1mn afterburner that must've added nearly 10m/s to his speed.  https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=156252

I take your laser/missille Scorpion and raise it with this incredible Drone Scorp Sniper! (http://www.quafeultra.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9245)

Also, Thoraxes woot woot!

Um....http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/292259 (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/292259)

 :hello_thar:

Well, he's certainly getting max use out of that 75 m3 drone bay...

As for Thrawns post, that guy had to be salvage for a gang running a plex or something.  There is no way he was solo ratting in that fit, it doesn't make sense.

Even if that is the case though, why oh why would you use a 750mil isk Marauder hull.  :heartbreak:

I'm trying to figure out how a cruiser or BC rat managed to kill him solo. Was he asleep?

For opsec reasons I'm not going to say much other than that this was part of a system he's been using for a long time.  It works really, really well.

I think your opsec is safe I can't imagine people wanting to know a system which involves losing a marauder to a single cruiser sized rat.

My guess as to the cruiser rat showing up is that it respawned on him but the cruiser was plinking away the whole time so it did most of the DPS.

I wonder where he was going with this.

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/292133 (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/292133)

(LOVEU redemption itt)

Definitely a good trade.

Doesn't Bond rat in work?  Probably just forgot, and wasn't cap stable on his tank.

The point is that it's a SMARTBOMBING Ibis.

Just think of it as a miniature Titan

Awful for different reasons:

Ouch (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=157270)

Err that's a pretty good fit but damn expensive.

Go look at the pilots recent history, he's been causing havoc with that ship.  Don't know if it's worth is ISK wise, but looks like he was having a good time.

If EFT is to be beleived, it tanks 2000 dps actively  :ye_gods:

The only thing awful about this is how awfully expensive it is.

(http://www.goonfleet.com/picture.php?albumid=411&pictureid=1530)

Your mother is so fat her Navy Megathron needs six cargo expanders. (http://www.karma-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3115)

That extra low slot just begs for expanders..

Tanks more actually around 3k with blue pill boosters taken.

That is what I meant, yeah. How many motherships can you buy for those fittings? Your average Titan probably has less expensive modules.

Yeh but it looks like more fun to fly that ship :P

So, err, you can see where this guy was going with the fit ....

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/293643

Haa haa. I could have been caught with a similar fit if the mega I had beeen using to transport a ton of ammo up to a warzone a few weeks back had been blown up. But I had my battle fittings in my cargo hold to swap into once I had offloaded the ammo. This guy looks like he was transporting all his worldly goods in a navy mega which is a little silly...

Don't forget to overload, turn the MWD off so you can see how well you actually inject and put faction ammo and drones in it to see how much damage it does. Oh, and turn the cloak off so you know how fast it goes.

I think it's pretty safe to say he was using blue pills considering he had 10 of em in his cargo hold & if you add a crystal set and overheat you're looking at a whopping 6k, but you're probably just trolling so you could probably care less.

I'm not sure he was trolling.  And i think it's safe to assume that he was using a high grade set of some sort.

Oh ok it's hard to tell sounded like one, I wonder how space-rich do you have to be to fly around with one of those setups? I'm guessing Istvaan rich!! If I was that wealthy I would probably squander my ISK in a similar fashion.

Apparently Ephemeron finds officers so reguarly only T20 with a spawn officer button could kill more.

Not an awful fitting, but still a hilarious set of killmails:

http://www.a-war.fi/exalted/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8235

No words can describe this loonacy

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=158621 (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=158621)

How about, sniper tempest.

I am not trolling. You seriously need to do those things to see just how ridiculous that fit is. The booster can overload for like 4 minutes, the MWD and neuts take up a lot of cap which means you can't really tell how well its tanking. The ammo listed does 15% less than the real thing he was probably using and the cloak cuts the speed by a significant amount.

But why the single A/C? That is just clownshoes.

In theory to drive off close-range cruisers or something like that.  Or maybe because he just didn't have the fitting space to put on another artillery.

That is why CCP invented drones! And support frigs  :oh_i_see:

Ah ok apologies then misinterpreted you, you are a goon after all :)

it also only has 5 lows fit...

And no mwd...

And its a sniper tempest, and they suck balls.

Tell me about it. Only fleet fit I can fly atm  :ye_gods:

Yeh its pretty shitty I suppose but at least he was tryin, not very hard though.

Not bad fittings so much as bad pilots:

http://astrominia.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12977

9 of those GROON losses were to 1 rupture and 1 taranis, including the falcon and the faction fit zealot.

wow

Must've been an incredibly well-fit rupture!

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/299135/fitting#items

No guns, no drones, basic Sensor Damps and a 1mn MWD (not to mention a SAR for the tank) make this the perfect cyno Rapier

Fail on multiple levels - I particularly liked the lack of a web :-)

http://killboard.outbreak-eve.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85258

Another for the bad pilots file.  The comments are required reading.

That is the greatest thing I have EVER seen.

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/301236/fitting#items

Armor tanking, 1 pt, 2 pt, 2 damp, laser Arazu...

I missed that killmail by a few seconds  :sad_panda:

Take a look at the top two damages...

1 point :(

Haha, faction cruisers suck!  But seriously, their alliance name is awesome.  Krautbreak!

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/306419/fitting#items

Apoc

Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I      
Large 'Vehemence' I Shockwave Charge      
Large EMP Smartbomb I      
Large Graviton Smartbomb I      
Large Plasma Smartbomb I      
Large Proton Smartbomb I      
Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I      
Large YF-12a Smartbomb      

Cap Recharger II   
Cap Recharger II   
Cap Recharger II   
Cap Recharger II   

Capacitor Power Relay II   
Capacitor Power Relay II   
Co-Processor I   
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II   
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Armor Repairer II

Ok....

Maybe he was trying to make a mini-titan...to get killed in.  :grin:

It's designed to warp to a Goon Titan bridge and kill all the tacklers- one such ship killed my inty a few days ago.

Unfortunately for him we all loaded system fast and were warping to their fleet(when they warped in on us). So he just landed in the middle of a bunch of battleships at an angry gunned POS

Wouldn't a geddon, scorp, or dominix be considerably more effective and 50M isk cheaper?

After insurance its a very small amount of isk. Geddons don't have the CPU to make it fit. Apocs have much more cap to keep firing. Scorps and Domi's don't have 8 high slots.

He might not be able to fly a phoon.

I tried a discogeddon once. You have to fill a couple of lows with coprocessors but its doable

Ok I think this is the first time a shuttle got in but check the cargo...

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/316355

Not so much awful fitting as lack of fitting:

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/314315 (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/314315)

... on such an expensive ship too!

As I recall that one died incredibly quickly!

..and I got the killmail.  Allll righht.  I looked him up on I think battleclinic.com when I saw his fitting and he had just lost another carrier recently as well that was a bit better fit.  Maybe he was just too broke to buy proper fittings.  :uhrr:

Was he trying to evac?  When I was moving spare carriers around, I sometimes didn't bother to fit them or had only half the fittings (because I'd already brought in capital-grade fittings in the freighter).  If I had gotten caught on a cyno beacon or at the station, I would have looked pretty stupid.  And my standard fits might have earned me a place in a thread like this if I had ever lost one (they were built around Cap Injectors).

If I had ever lost one.  Cap Injector carriers are nearly impossible to kill as long as the charges last (you lose the ability to support logistics if you don't pre-cache a few GSC's full of charges).

--Dave

He and 6 friends were scammed into jumping into a hostile bubble in PR- covered by lots and lots of bored Goons with guns.

I simply don't understand this one.

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/316535

Fit a cloak.  Some stabs and inertial stabs.  A MWD and some sort of token shield mods.

Or even just fit something.  Pretend like you care about the BPCs for a JF, carrier and dread you're carrying afk on autopilot in your comedy fucking probe.

Take a look at the security ratings on the raw killmail.  Something doesn't look right to me.

It's a suicide gank kill, what do you expect? Intelligence?  Good fits?  No, it will almost always be an idiot with more money then common sense. "Hey, I can afford these billions of capital mods, but a nanofiber/cloak/WCS/whatever will break my bank!"

That guy was most likely autopiloting and thinking to himself noone will bother scanning a probe, usually they would use shuttles.

While there is partially an awful fitting here, what is funny is not how it was fit.

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/323610

haha omg how did the rev kill the falcon. Lag? afk?

They just stayed on grid and shot at us, probably trying to jam all the remote repping carriers.  I had one locked myself that I put into armor before he warped out.  :oh_i_see:

http://kb.morsus-mihi.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=175453\

[Hyperion, savageinc's Hyperion]
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array

350mm Carbide Railgun I,Plutonium Charge L
350mm Carbide Railgun I,Antimatter Charge L
350mm Compressed Coil Gun I,Plutonium Charge L
425mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon,Plutonium Charge L
Dual 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I,Antimatter Charge L
Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun,Plutonium Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Egress Port Maximizer I

Hobgoblin I x1

-V- is still around?  They shouldn't be, if they all fit their ships like that.

They died, and then they were reborn.

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/324837 (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/324837)

What's wrong with a triple repped, no hardener, medium drone snipah?  With Gallante BS V he's probably able to tank 2 or 3 hundred omni-DPS...

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6984

Hey, lets put 2 absurdly expensive polycarbs on a vaga with 3 OD II's.  Only 74 million ISK for + 20m/s after stacking penalties!

Pre nerf setup, though the cap charger is a bit meh.

Faction fitted smartbombing blaster PvP Oneiros.

http://theaduroprotocol.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2420

Same person who lost the T3 ship. Some people need to lay off the eBay.

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/336475

Not really a bad fit, but I find it curious that SirMolle's alt doesn't bother to put anything else in the empty slots. He warped to one of our POS's in 49- and stayed uncloaked while some interceptors and tech 1 frig's MWD'd out to him. Unfortunately the POD escaped. Note the 2 rifters and a vigil on the kill mail of a ship worth 12 million ISK.

Its the fit of a lazy person the overdrives are there for speed, but he obviously clueless about the value of agility in a covert. I've seen him uncloak himself at random positions all the time, so god knows what he doing. I think he uncloaks to fire the mwd to get into a better position, be he obviously does not know you can recloak right after, which is the first thing I figured out 3 years ago when I first stepped into a covert.

Later he moved to the guns on the pos to give a warpin for caps and didn't even seem to realize he was uncloaked.

Turns out Shrike doesn't understand stacking...

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7474

"Back in my day, we didn't have pansy stuff like stacking penalties... " :geezer:

4 EANMs sheesh!

I'm wondering if that dread was so old as to have been setup from before they even had stacking penalties.

It had a damage control II on it. Those were changed from "utter crap" to "fantastic" way after stacking was introduced. And I think EANMs came in a bit after that.

Ahh, I wasn't sure on the time line, well before my time for the most part. He's just a goober then, carry on!   :grin:

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=179753

wat

Ratting setup against Sansha's.

With 3 different types lasers and no multispecs? Besides, you use a Dominix.

Didn't say it was a good one  :grin:

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7749 (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7749)

At first glance..."lol, a target painter".  Then you look a little closer..."Wait, a small shield extender?"  Then you look a little closer..."WTF, Is he running heat sinks with this railguns??"  :ye_gods:

Not to mention, "lol Ferox".  I also think it's sort funny that he was killed by 7 dreads.  You guys must have one-volleyed him.  Overkill much?

http://duty.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=3815

This week on The Awful Fittngs Thread we return to the subject of "How not to fit a Drake."

Sadly I have no awesome killmail to post with this story.  But I'm bumming around empire in my hauler/trader alt over the weekend and reading corp chat since I'm currently in a noob corp and it's good for a laugh usually.  A discussion gets started by someone over how terrible torpedoes look with their very short range.  So lots of back and forth commences of course about dps vs range vs sig radius vs NPC kiting ranges vs blah blah blah.

Most of this is pretty uninteresting until the guy that started the whole discussion makes this comment -

"I just can't decide if I should use torpedo launchers or cruise launchers on my Navy Mega."

Which of course gets even more of a laugh out of me because no one points out the obvious and most people chatting with him seem to notice nothing wrong and continue talking about torps vs cruises for his mission running.  :awesome_for_real:

The nice thing about it is that since it has two launcher hardpoints, you can have both!

Thats the only thing I could think he was maybe doing was filling up those last to slots, but even then...ugh.

Obviously, he should fit Standard launchers so he can kill Frigates.

Wouldn't assault launchers be better for that?

No, the Mega has 125 m3 of drone space.

http://king4.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=details&kill=95

Can't decide on how to tank your raven? Get both!

My preferred drone load for the mega is 5 lights, 5 Meds and 5 Med Armour Rep drones, fyi.

http://a-kills.com/details.php?id=243770

Yes, that's a named LAR on a Thanator with four unnamed EANMs. Who knows why he even needed 4 cap rechargers to run it.

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/357135/fitting#items

I dont what the hell to say about this piece of crap... but for starters the 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launchers on the DREADNOUGHT must really have helped the DPS...

And the XL shield boster would really have helped the tanking...

In general its :ye_gods:

Wow, just wow.

First, it's a Naglfar  :uhrr:
Then it has tech 1 drones  :uhrr:
Named sensor booster  :uhrr:
Named shield booster  :uhrr:
Also a trimark on a shield tanked ship   :ye_gods:


Aside from the Invuln field and the weapon upgrades, nothing Tech 2, deadspace or officer on the entire setup.  :awesome_for_real:

That's the worst cap ship setup I've ever seen.

Aren't those the launchers you put on like, a raven?

And a shield booster you would put on, like, a Raven.

In fact.. see most of the components...

At least he got the artillery and the gyrostabs right.

A shield booster you'd put on a Raven if your shield tanking skills aren't very good (no T2)

Maybe a no-support-skill cap alt?

http://eve.red-squad.com/Killboard1.4/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6022

Bad fit. Bad pilot. Bad everything.

Well, if you're going to use 2 cap boosters feeding 800's, then you should be using your rig slots for better shield resists, shield regen, shield HP bonus, or maybe shield transporter bonuses, not CCC's.  The Cargo Expanders are just  :uhrr:, should be doubling down on the Shield tank and active Cap recharge with 2-3 Shield Power Relays (if you aren't going to wait for Cap regen, then why worry about it?) and a Damage Control and/or WCS.  You can build a really mean shield tank that way, but you've got to *commit*.

--Dave

I wasn't convinced it was worthy of this thread until I noticed the two empty low slots.  :uhrr:

Sticking a faction passive kinetic shield mod on there when you have no invulns, just a single photon and heat active mod, still leaves those two resists waaay below kinetic, which starts off very good anyway.  Also, that single smart bomb won't help him with heavy tacklers: he should have dropped some DCUs and fitted heavy neuts if he really meant to put it in harm's way (which he clearly did).

The faction mod just screams "oh I've got this faction mod from ratting so I'll pimp out my carrier with it."  I sometimes fit a faction passive mod on my carrier, but it sure isn't kinetic, and is intended to help me when I am liable to be neuted all to hell and back myself and have good reason to expect a certain sort of damage.

If you somehow didn't notice he was missioning.

And in our "more money than sense" category

http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3399296

A billion and a half isk worth of Rupture?  Half of that in one very peripheral module that wouldn't even make sense on a missile Dread (Officer BCS)?  Even if he's now broke, he still has more money than sense.

--Dave

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3403022

A surprise appearance made by the Auto Targeting System!

Ishtar (http://www.eve-co2.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17195)

Because 130k drone range means you don't need a tank amirite?

The clue is in the drone bay. He was using sentries to snipe at really long range

That doesn't make it less stupid tbh. Especially as he's either going to lose a lot of sentries or be pretty much immobile.

Indeed: he was trying to replicate a muninn/deimos/eagle with an ishtar.  The difference is that my tankless eagle can align out and keep firing, whereas he is pinned in place.

That said, he probably got caught jumping through a gate, which is hell for eagles, too.

Downtime extended. Bored. Found this.

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/382024/fitting#items

I might forgive the unnamed smartbombs, but if you are going to put rigs on a capital ship try to read the fine print. Aux Nano Pumps don't work on them!

Never stop fitting. Never stop.

http://kb.sc0rched.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20076

Even a single Damage Control could have made this better.

I think I see what he was going for with this one.   :oh_i_see:

His align time must have been on the order of minutes.

They've apparently removed that kill.  Anyone remember who it was or what corp?

You wouldn't credit that you could spend 5 billion or so on a ship and come up with a fit this bad.  I give you, the battle-rorqual...

http://kb.sc0rched.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20874

15 faction items.  But no capital shield repair, just an X-Large shield booster.  And the powerful effect of that bonus to drone damage is limited somewhat by the T1 drones he still uses.  Not to mention that a shield composed entirely of two domi invulnerability fields is little use when so many people do EM damage.

For goons and allies I say: get on GFFL/MM Ghost etc deployment before this sort of stuff dries up.

As I recall, there is an XL shield booster that gives the same shield points per second and capacitor use as the Capital, for a tiny fraction of the powergrid and CPU.  But that one isn't it.  Last I checked, the price of them was passing 1B isk.

--Dave

hmmmm....

http://killboard.atlas-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=91906

Likely a fake.

I'm not going to post the poor bugger's name, but one of the guys in my corp decided to shift a ton of stuff including numerous blueprints, in a Mammoth, with the only fittings being cargo rigs/mods .... while we were war-decced by a small corp. One Myrmidon and he was toasted losing everything - poor bugger.

Even a shield setup in the mids and 3 stabs might have saved him.

RISE!!!!

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/411152

O.M.G

What the fuck was he thinking, a complete slave set (what ~2B?) via hed-gp. Cripes.

And he can afford a Slave set but not a covops to fly it in...

I'd assume he found himself stuck in a station without docking rights or ship and figured he'd give it a go.
At least that's the situation I found myself in when I did pretty much the same thing, albeit in a rifter and with only a couple of 100 mil worth of faction stuff in the cargo. I was lucky enough to make it despite hilarious efforts of a Geminate residents gang.

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12140

I love the drones the most.

That thing is full of stuff to love.

Or the artillery and missile launchers on a ship that has all its bonuses to lasers.

The two Adaptive Nano Plates are also a nice touch, was he really hurting for the CPU to fit EANMs?

At least he didn't try to shield tank it!  I wonder why he bothered with the cap rechargers since the artillery handles that issue nicely.  Maybe he was cap stable while repping.  Not that it helped.

Feast your eyes on the ul;ultimate abbadon fit

http://zaf.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5151188

http://www.ushrakhan.com/alliance/edk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=89240

Fitted to save a buddy ratter.

More of a retarded killmail than an awful fitting, but still:

https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/436630

The hammerheads in the drone bay are pretty fucking funny.

http://br1ck.podzone.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=130789

Hauler Legion, but without a cloak or bubble-nullifier.

That's seriously dumb.

Ran it through EFT and you get 1643m3 of pure cargo hauling power  :drill:

Totally worth it then.

He just wouldn't have been able to live with himself had he left those 13 Capbooster 800 behind.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5543378
 
:uhrr:

Wow, thats an awesome fit. 110 dps according to EFT  :hulk_rock:

What is it with clowns and ravens, I remember we kept seeing this last year in D2...

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13222

...fleets full of the damn things, not literally the worst fit in the history of eve, but looks like it was put togther with whatever happened to drop off of rats.

In this case, cap boosters and target painters on a mixed ammo armour tanking fleet raven. I thought it might be a ratter who joined up with whatever he could find, till I noticed no armour rep.

Also, oh hey, 2000th battleship kill by f13 posters on behalf of Goonswarm.

Holy shit!


Apart from the cap boosters, which aren't the worst thing you could fit, there's nothing really wrong with this Raven. It's all best named or T2 and the ammo is probably two gun groups, one for shooting structures and the other for shooting ships (faction).

I think found this weeks winner...

http://ragefororder.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7009

I was looking at that trying to figure out what made it so bad. Ok it has cruiser sized guns, no midslots, an empty low and still apparently needs a co-processor for it and then it hit me, he's fitted it to a Hyperion.

Probably a newbie that was on his first PVP excusion.In fact I hope thats what it was...

2 billion is loss (https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/452634)

4 years of PvP mods and ammo in a mastadon. I avoided every other camp on the way to Orvelle and didn't pay attention in the ONE low sec system I had to travel through and died to low sec pirates who weren't even listed as hostile. Between 1 to 2 billion in mods lost, about 500mil to 1billion dropped. Whelp. At least IT didn't get it.

My Pod survived, but the HALO implants hadn't helped much.

Excuse me, good sir, but I believe the thread you were looking for is this way (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=12349.0).

Anyway, I have never flown a T3 ship myself, but it doesn't take much to know that this could have been done better:

http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5697511

https://www.mv-corp.com/kb/index.php?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8705

Heh I saw that in chat the other day. Worst fit ever.

Minmatar and Amarr are officially the foty

http://kb.eve-42.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=127522

Fitting minnie guns to an Abaddon is nothing new and not an awful fitting either.

Yeah, the sad fact is that lasers murder an Abaddon's cap thanks to the lack of an energy turret cap reduction on the hull.  Using capless projectile turrets gets around that.

Your DPS will be gimpy but you still get a nasty alpha. Good bait ship against neuting BS in lowsec.

Autocannons with a massive tank(ideally plated and reps) would be a decent baitship in low-sec. Not to say that the arties are a terribly bad fit, but if you're not going to have anything else on the ship that uses cap you might as well go with lasers, and arties are useless once you're tackled(the point of a baitship) due to their pathetic tracking. What probably happened is that the guy trained up the Abaddon before he got the laser skills and figured his higher projectile skills(still not t2 though) would increase his efficiency.

How does being tackled affect your tracking? that's a new one to me.

It doesn't, but when you're tackled, they're close to you(at least, usually, kinda the point of bait is to web/scram whatever you're baiting in so that it can't get away). And being close affects your tracking.

And that's another advantage of using Minnie guns, you get to drop the cap booster you need to keep the lasers running and fit either multiple webs or multiple scrams. Theorycrafting about tracking in lowsec is dumb as most of the other ships are having similar issues & everybody tends to sit stationary and slug it out.

Large artillery have trouble hitting things at close range even when they're moving very very slow. They're the worst tracking guns in the game and it really shows. You also have the lowest DPS of any guns in the game such that autocannons are going to overtake your high alpha very quickly. No one is saying that there is anything wrong with using Minnie guns on a big fuck off tank bait ship Abaddon. They're saying you don't use Artillery for the job.

Not that this guy was in low-sec anyway, he was in 0.0, and he wasn't baiting, he was sniping(or damage dealing, he had fusion loaded into a standard sniper fit). And in those situations the cap use of beam lasers isn't a big deal, since you aren't using the cap for anything else anyway and lasers have so much more DPS and tracking, especially on an Abaddon.

Meanwhile, if the primary is dying within 1-2 volleys then artillery will always do more damage than beams or railguns.

Only if there is only one target. Otherwise the ships with higher DPS get to bring their DPS to the next target faster since they don't have to wait as long for their guns to cycle before getting to the next target(and the fact that high DPS will out damage high alpha before the second volley, there are steps within each cycle where each has an advantage).

Not saying that volley damage isn't an advantage, but you're better off with the lasers on the Abaddon if you're sniping.

If you're sniping, you're better off docking up, selling the Abaddon, replacing it with an Apoc, and spending the 50 million you have left over on gin and whores.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6306247

Have to love how EVERY Battleship BP dropped and not a single sub BS BP dropped. I get the feeling those are all BPO's as well.

Yup. You can stack un-researched BPOs. Those are in stacks of 20 or so...  :grin:

Ahh, its always a pleasure watching IT find new ways of being stupid.

Holy shit, is that a 1 TRILLION isk loss on their part?

People are seeing what they want to see, there.  We all know that the guy had 143 Rokh BPCs, not BPOs, in his cormorant.  He was that dumb but not that dumb and that rich.

That said they still disabled the kill on their own boards so that it wouldn't appear in their K/D ratio.

Kind of figured it was just bpcs, but can bpcs be stacked like that?

also, "german giggles" at "oh my god our k/d ratio"

BPCs never stack, so the only time a bpc/bpo question arises on a killmail is when there is only 1.

*looks at the value* 1,155,757,099,371.00 isk!!!!  :ye_gods: Sweet mother of holy Jesus.

That's like 10 uber fit Titans. With no insurance return. In a destroyer. In Jita. What level of stupid do you have to have to be in IT?  :uhrr:

Wrong; unresearched BPCs can stack.

I agree with Bhodii, still there must be about 2500 BPCs there could be anywhere between 3-10 billion worth.

http://atlas.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6440867

I bet the lag got him.

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=272440

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7424775

This is hilarious as it is awful.

T1 drones, no heatsinks, smartbombs in high-sec. What did I miss?

Mission fit.

T1 drones are so you can warp out without losing a lot of isk if someone comes into your mission.

No heat sinks are so you can tank the entire thing. Damage is a secondary concern to survival. He possibly has low skills in cap and such needs the recharge despite his massive tank.

Smartbombs are to clear the small enemies. Its a Paladin so he has free high slots for them without sacrificing guns.

A straight up gank set Paladin would probably be more effective unless there is a lot of very small stuff. But its not an entirely stupid idea.

The only reason that he died was because the stealth bomber can cloak. He didn't see the SB enter his mission(or he would have warped out). The bomber then proceeded to get close enough to the target to get hit by one of the smartbombs. This triggers concord...

The cap recharge, no gyro, tech 1 hardeners with X-type and faction double armor repair Macharial that they also got in the same mission is much worse and is what makes both fits really bad... Not because the theory behind either is all that bad, but because the theory behind either assumes you're flying alone. If you're duo-ing a mission then you want specialty ships.

It's a 2003 character.

Smartbombs are stupid in high-sec regardless of people sneaking up on you while using them, since even a cat could get you Concordokken'd.

Wow that Paladin pilot is a complete fucktard.


It was you wasn't it, you're the Paladin pilot.

Nope, not the Paladin pilot.

IIRC there is nothing in missions that you can't shoot(and if there is, its a bug).

Well apparently there is a Nemesis in his mission that you can't shoot.

 :rimshot:

Most asteroids, some buildings, wrecks, containers.