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Title: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Signe on May 09, 2008, 11:51:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0SeAniI7Cg

Looks fun.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Mrbloodworth on May 09, 2008, 11:58:18 AM
Player made buildings. (http://community.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&func_id=1096&table=PUBLISH&template=news_features_game&selected=1096&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=online&utm_campaign=Clan_of_Conan&utm_content=issue16)

Building a city (http://community.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&template=content&func_id=2438&table=CONTENT&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=online&utm_campaign=Clan_of_Conan&utm_content=issue16)


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: K9 on May 10, 2008, 06:53:33 AM
Looks good.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: TripleDES on May 11, 2008, 03:08:51 PM
You know that the MMO business is in a shit shape if of all people Funcom releases something looking cooler than what the rest is churning out.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Stormwaltz on May 12, 2008, 09:12:12 AM
Interesting. Sounds like cities "opt in" to PvP by building a battlekeep? That might go a ways towards drawing in those who wanted to build cities in SB, but didn't want to deal with losing them.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Mrbloodworth on May 12, 2008, 10:42:33 AM
Interesting. Sounds like cities "opt in" to PvP by building a battlekeep? That might go a ways towards drawing in those who wanted to build cities in SB, but didn't want to deal with losing them.

Negative. you have to build a keep first. From what i understand. there are only like 6 spots for this to happen in. Don't confuse the Towns, with the battle keeps, there more more towns from what i understand.

So it goes. guild (gets 25+ members) > Makes town in resource area (PvP) > Claims a battle keep, and makes a city (massive PvP).

I could be horribly wrong.



More reading on the Subject. (http://community.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=online&utm_campaign=Clan_of_Conan&utm_content=Issue_10&func=publish.show&table=CONTENT&func_id=1923)

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One's victory is another's defeat, and so the wheel of time continues to spin violently for the guilds braving the frontiers of the Border Kingdom. And if your guild fails to capture a battlekeep, there are always the smaller forts to be captured – or even the ever valuable resource nodes!


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: stray on May 13, 2008, 02:19:24 AM
I will play this if we could actually get at least 25 people together -- and you let me build things. :oh_i_see:

I'd like to be able to judge the game for everything it has to offer, and not end up having judgements based on solo play.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Signe on May 13, 2008, 05:32:17 AM
There's probably not enough of us.  And those of us there is have a distinct lack of stick-with-it-ness sometimes.  I don't think we're going to be able to have only f13 members for this one.  Several people from here have offered their guilds, which would probably be more practical.  I'd like a guild that will get to sieging and city building.  If I can't do that, I don't really care if I have a guild or not.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: waylander on May 13, 2008, 05:50:51 AM
You have to have a Tier 3 city to be able to claim a PVP battle keep. The estimates I've seen for getting to T3 are anywhere from 1-2 months depending on how hardcore your group is.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: tazelbain on May 13, 2008, 06:01:15 AM
How is it going to work with these unattackable player cities?   Is it instatized so everyone gets one?  Or is it first come first serve like the housing debacle in UO?


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Mrbloodworth on May 13, 2008, 06:14:44 AM
How is it going to work with these unattackable player cities?   Is it instatized so everyone gets one?  Or is it first come first serve like the housing debacle in UO?

I don't know that any city is unattackable, from what i read, when your guild gets to this level, the first building you make is a battlekeep. I do know that the larger-end Keeps will be few in number on each server. But there are also resource nodes to capture (like smaller territory's and towns), and anyone can participate in the "massive" battles using the mercenary system.

The whole end game is somewhat like an RTS, your guild has to take territory, hold it, and then build a keep, while other guilds try to take your terrtory ,
(such as resource areas that you need to sustain your keeps) and kill your battle keeps.

Honestly, people talk about PvP with meaning, this sounds like it to me.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: WindupAtheist on May 13, 2008, 06:18:48 AM
This all sounds overcomplicated and shitty.

Can I even have a house if it's not part of some pseudo-Shadowbane guild grind?  If not, forget this game.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Miasma on May 13, 2008, 06:19:56 AM
The PvE city zone is instanced, I've heard some say that you might be sharing that instance with two other cities though.  But anyone who wants to build a PvE city can so long as you have enough resources.  The PvE city can not be attacked (by players) on PvE servers.

More info. (http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ/City_Building_and_Defense)


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Mrbloodworth on May 13, 2008, 06:20:25 AM
Edit: Miasma's post and link are much better, and have corrected me in my thinking on how the system works. Thanks man.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: schild on May 13, 2008, 11:03:36 AM
I fully plan on starting Bat Country. I do not give 2 shits if we have a small hamlet village or a battlekeep though. YMMV, if you want to play with the catasses, I won't stop you, catass.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: SnakeCharmer on May 13, 2008, 11:07:50 AM
PVPee server?  Or PVE?


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: schild on May 13, 2008, 11:12:29 AM
I don't REALLY want to be on a PVP server, but you know what, I'd be up for whatever.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Signe on May 13, 2008, 11:14:54 AM
I don't want a PvP server either, and I'll always join a Bat Country guild for however long it lasts.  I might go PvP server after I play the game for a time, dunno.  Depends on how they handle it all.  As long as I get a chance at a siege somewhere along the way.  I'm sure even if we aren't huge, we'll be able to build some stuff.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: SnakeCharmer on May 13, 2008, 11:18:20 AM
I really don't care either, to be honest.  The PvE servers still have PvP to them, so that suits me just fine.

My pre-order should have finished downloading this morning, so I'll be good to go on the 14th 17th.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: schild on May 13, 2008, 11:19:40 AM
If the PvE servers have PVP, we'll do that.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: schild on May 13, 2008, 11:36:44 AM
I just got a preorder key from Gamestop and it doesn't work.

Am I doing it wrong?

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Age Of Conan
Service    Points cost
Age of Conan Preview
Service    Points cost
Age of Conan Open Beta
Service    Points cost

That's in my Subscriptions area. Did I already enter a code and am retarded?


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Viin on May 13, 2008, 11:46:00 AM
I preordered from Amazon and didn't get jack crap (no key, no nothing).

Tried again from GoGamer (I hate gamestop) but haven't gotten anything yet ..


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: SnakeCharmer on May 13, 2008, 11:48:03 AM
@ Schild:  They should have sent you a key you would enter in your Funcom registration page.  There was also an option you could buy for 5 bucks to start downloading before the 14th.  If you didn't purchase that option, then you have to wait until the 14th to start downloading, then play on the 17th.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Signe on May 13, 2008, 11:51:39 AM
Did you go here, Schildy?  https://register.ageofconan.com/account

From Amazon, I think you have to go to your "media library" or some such nonsense.

Also - I posted a link to start downloading regardless of whether you have your key or not yet.  It's around here somewhere.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Miasma on May 13, 2008, 11:54:12 AM
Yeah it's a pretty clunky site, I think you have to go to signe's address for this particular key, entering it in the "enter a key here" slot at the normal funcom.com site doesn't work.  IIRC.

I don't have the words "Points cost" anywhere on my account page though.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Signe on May 13, 2008, 11:56:49 AM
I know the points place he ended up and it's not the right place.  Funcom really needs to sort out their account pages.  I don't even know how many accounts I have there now and they're all in different places.  AoC, AoC beta, AO, blah, blah, blah, so on and so forth, ad nauseum....


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Mrbloodworth on May 13, 2008, 11:59:33 AM
If the PvE servers have PVP, we'll do that.

Yeah, they do, in fact check this out. lol. Friendly fire (http://forums.tentonhammer.com/showpost.php?p=218547&postcount=2).


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Viin on May 13, 2008, 12:31:17 PM
From Amazon, I think you have to go to your "media library" or some such nonsense.

Thanks, I found it. Talk about buried. And no where does it tell you to find this one link on your home page all the way at the bottom to find your code. :P


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: schild on May 13, 2008, 12:48:05 PM
Logging into Age of Conan is too fucking complicated. It is to a Konami PlayID as Civilization is to Tic Tac Toe.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: schild on May 13, 2008, 12:56:59 PM
Someone c&p what it says on their account pages so I can see whta the fuck it's SUPPOSED to say. Because I'm a gimp.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Miasma on May 13, 2008, 01:07:10 PM
I simply never got my email telling me to download the client either, I had to use that public link.  I also tried to get a password reset because I had it written down at home but wanted to access it at work, none of those emails ever got to my hotmail account either.  It went to my yahoo account fine once I logged in at home.  Instead of assigning me a temporary password and having me change it you know what they did?  They emailed me my password unencrypted.  I don't like that for two reasons, one is that my password was bounced all around the internet until it got to my email box, and two it means they don't encrypt the password on their end in their databases.  They shouldn't be able to tell me what my password is, it should have gone through a one way hash.

At least their account management page is an actual ssl site though, unlike when AO launched and we had to enter our CC info without a condom...

Someone c&p what it says on their account pages so I can see whta the fuck it's SUPPOSED to say. Because I'm a gimp.
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5849/image2fr7.jpg)

You might only get that if you pay the five bucks for early access though, I'm not sure.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Comstar on May 13, 2008, 01:25:42 PM
What mechanisms are stopping 1 guild from taking all the cities locations AND all the Battle towers AND all the resource nodes?  Aka, what happened on Shadowbane and the Eve China server?


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Miasma on May 13, 2008, 01:28:39 PM
What mechanisms are stopping 1 guild from taking all the cities locations AND all the Battle towers AND all the resource nodes?  Aka, what happened on Shadowbane and the Eve China server?
Nothing I think, and judging by the size of some of the recruitment threads that will absolutely happen.  Although the resource zones aren't PvP, except on the FFA server.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Threash on May 13, 2008, 01:36:06 PM
What mechanisms are stopping 1 guild from taking all the cities locations AND all the Battle towers AND all the resource nodes?  Aka, what happened on Shadowbane and the Eve China server?

I didnt see anything saying you could have more than one battlekeep.  The guild cities are instanced, so running out of territory is not an issue, also there was nothing that mentioned having more than one.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Tannhauser on May 13, 2008, 01:43:35 PM
Ok I'm in on this.  I think the release will be a trainwreck, but at least FunCom is adding some features not seen in an MMO since UO/SB.  Gotta give 'em props for ambition.  Alchemy sounds cool but so do Rangers, wonder if thats a possible combo.



Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: stray on May 13, 2008, 03:00:13 PM
I will wait until sometime next month (after whatever debacle that is bound to happen is over). Y'all better have my city ready by then.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Lantyssa on May 13, 2008, 04:54:17 PM
No registration key so far.  (I'm thinking Best Buy might have stiffed us.  I'm going to call in a bit.)

I see an option for "Purchase Early Access" in my account page, but clicking on it takes me to an Anarchy Online page and not a spend $5 for early access.  Do I need the key to get that?

Does the early access just let me download the game, or is this a fee on top of the supposed free 3-day early access my pre-order was supposed to give me?


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: SnakeCharmer on May 13, 2008, 05:11:31 PM
The key takes a day or two to get to you via email.  No idea why.  Probably something to do with whatever vendor you bought it from confirming the order to Funcom as an early registration, then Funcom generating a key for you.

I wouldn't worry about Purchase Early Access.  All it does is allow you to start downloading the 20GB client now, rather than the 14th, even though the early access doesn't begin on the 17th. 

I did, and it's a phenomenal waste of money.  Trust me.  PM incoming.



Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Lantyssa on May 13, 2008, 05:35:04 PM
Thanks.  I'll give that a try.

I'm partially worried about getting the key because I pre-ordered from Best Buy when they were still getting details up.  They didn't have a bonus pack available at the time.  We put in an e-mail to customer service to make sure it was added.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Signe on May 13, 2008, 05:39:09 PM
You can download it now, if you like, at this link for the US version:  http://funcom.cachefly.net/AoC-US-EarlyAccess.exe  People are reporting times between 5 hours and three weeks.   :ye_gods:  I got it early (before I actually got the email, while my payment was still pending) and it took only about 8 hours.  I'm not sure.  I was asleep most of the time and I'm a firm believer in the whole watched pot thingy.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: schild on May 13, 2008, 06:12:45 PM
I'm getting it at 500-800kbps.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Lantyssa on May 13, 2008, 06:57:20 PM
71 kbps in the event we get codes.  Currently paused since even that is killing my internet connection.  This is one for when I'm sleeping and at work.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: KallDrexx on May 13, 2008, 07:03:18 PM
interesting note.  Funcom can't code a working bittorrent system.

Their docs tell you you can set the max upload speed.  I set mine to 25.  Their downloader kept downloading at 35-40.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Viin on May 13, 2008, 07:19:09 PM
I hate bittorrent. Can't I get a normal download?

I restricted my upload to 25 KB/s but we'll see if that helps - seeing 130 KB/s down right now (should be able to get 300 KB/s or so).

Edit: I love how their help page shows downloading at 1000 KB/s - haha!

(http://funcom.solidstatenetworks.com/about/about.jpg)


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Evildrider on May 13, 2008, 07:41:43 PM
I hate bittorrent. Can't I get a normal download?

I restricted my upload to 25 KB/s but we'll see if that helps - seeing 130 KB/s down right now (should be able to get 300 KB/s or so).

Edit: I love how their help page shows downloading at 1000 KB/s - haha!

(http://funcom.solidstatenetworks.com/about/about.jpg)

i was actually getting those speeds last night.  I got my download done in about 5 hours.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: schild on May 13, 2008, 07:42:35 PM
I'm getting about that speed right now.

Also, if you pause and reconnect, it'll grab new clients and shit.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: SnakeCharmer on May 13, 2008, 07:50:01 PM
Also, if you pause and reconnect, it'll grab new clients and shit.

Winnar.

Forgot to mention that  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Signe on May 13, 2008, 08:01:23 PM
I think I averaged around the same as Schildy.  I think you can patch tomorrow.  Patch?  More of this?   :ye_gods:

A curious side note:  Swedes are reporting better times than Norwegians.  Uh oh.  They better gimp Sweden or move their offices!


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Engels on May 13, 2008, 08:58:04 PM
Hmm, pausing and reconnecting is only making my reported download speed slower. From 350 KB/s to 250 KB/s now  :uhrr:


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Xuri on May 13, 2008, 11:20:13 PM
I think I averaged around the same as Schildy.  I think you can patch tomorrow.  Patch?  More of this?   :ye_gods:

A curious side note:  Swedes are reporting better times than Norwegians.  Uh oh.  They better gimp Sweden or move their offices!
The European datasenters for AoC are in Amsterdam, and I'm pretty sure Sweden has a better/faster/shorter/something connection to "mainland"-Europe than we (Norwegians) do. I think. =P


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Draegan on May 14, 2008, 06:55:50 AM
If you have finished the Early Access download, make sure you install it an run the patcher.  Today theres a 700MB patch you can download to the client.

I started up mine before work and I was getting 1.5-2MB/s



Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Viin on May 14, 2008, 07:03:37 AM
Gesus. I can't play EVE while downloading all this stuff for days!


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Signe on May 14, 2008, 07:05:30 AM
I think I averaged around the same as Schildy.  I think you can patch tomorrow.  Patch?  More of this?   :ye_gods:

A curious side note:  Swedes are reporting better times than Norwegians.  Uh oh.  They better gimp Sweden or move their offices!
The European datasenters for AoC are in Amsterdam, and I'm pretty sure Sweden has a better/faster/shorter/something connection to "mainland"-Europe than we (Norwegians) do. I think. =P

But where things are and who has a better backbone or shorter faster pussycats isn't the point, is it?  Norway should DO something to Sweden.  It's Norway v Sweden.  It's ALWAYS Norway v Sweden!  (I bet they house those servers at The Bulldog in Amsterdam.  I would.)


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: grunk on May 15, 2008, 03:51:08 AM
I don't REALLY want to be on a PVP server, but you know what, I'd be up for whatever.


FUCKEN CAREBEAR! I KNEW IT!!!!!


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Venkman on May 15, 2008, 04:48:19 AM
Gesus. I can't play EVE while downloading all this stuff for days!
No? I used to play Eve all the time while patching various beta clients? Connection issue for ya?


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Slayerik on May 15, 2008, 06:08:43 AM
I don't REALLY want to be on a PVP server, but you know what, I'd be up for whatever.


FUCKEN CAREBEAR! I KNEW IT!!!!!

Praise be grunk.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Viin on May 15, 2008, 06:45:03 AM
Gesus. I can't play EVE while downloading all this stuff for days!
No? I used to play Eve all the time while patching various beta clients? Connection issue for ya?

Just depends ... when I was downloading the 12gig install over bittorrent it certainly made the grid load slower in Eve (undocks took 20 secs instead of 5, etc). Patching actually wasn't that bad, as it didn't use bittorrent but had good enough speed.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Lantyssa on May 15, 2008, 07:04:06 AM
No? I used to play Eve all the time while patching various beta clients? Connection issue for ya?
It uses a crappy torrent client that hammers your connection even if it's only getting 1 kbps, and ignores the up/down limits you set.  I got better performance browsing web pages on a 14.4k modem than with this running.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Signe on May 15, 2008, 07:29:47 AM
It is pretty dreadful.  If I hadn't got in so early and downloaded in about 8 hours, I probably would just wait for the box to arrive.  There are quite a lot of people who started the download days ago and are still downloading.  Another thing, it shuts off as soon as it's done.  Usually I leave it on all night to seed.  My download was finished about an hour after I went to bed and it just shut down. 


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Draegan on May 15, 2008, 11:23:22 AM
Mine finished in 5 hours.  Just remember to patch it up.  There are a few patches to get through, I'd say patch it once a day until Saturday, this way there is no undue waitage.


Title: Re: AoC Crafting and City Building Video
Post by: Miasma on May 15, 2008, 12:30:14 PM
It's a good idea to defrag after all the patching too.