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Title: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: rk47 on March 20, 2008, 12:50:44 AM http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/warhammer40kmmo/news.html?sid=6166560&om_act=convert&om_clk=newsfeatures&tag=newsfeatures;title;1
I'm quite happy about this. Very very happy. Any reason why I shouldn't? Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Trippy on March 20, 2008, 01:55:42 AM Because it's being done by a studio co-founded by a comic book artist and an ex-NCsoft person whose credits are so vague he doesn't have a single listing in Moby Games and they don't mention what he's worked on anywhere on their site?
Edit: by, more typos I shouldn't eat and type at the same time Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: rk47 on March 20, 2008, 01:56:51 AM Because it's been done by a studio co-founded a comic book artist and a ex-NCsoft person whose credits are so vague he doesn't have a single listing in Moby Games and they don't mention what he's worked on anywhere on their site? :uhrr: Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: schild on March 20, 2008, 02:00:38 AM We went over this in the Vajuras thread.
If you want to see the caliber of people working on the game, do a search on that name. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Lt.Dan on March 20, 2008, 02:02:30 AM How did they secure the license. IP owners must be so desparate to create a MMO they'll take a pitch from practically anyone
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Trippy on March 20, 2008, 02:07:25 AM THQ already had the non-MMO WH40K license (i.e. the Relic Dawn of War games) so it was a natural extension for GW to grant THQ the MMO license as well.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Ratman_tf on March 20, 2008, 07:43:51 AM [Chaos-McBolter] LFM Emporor group! ONly needz helar then we ready 2 go!
[Chaos-Drizzit] STFU NOOB Emp wuz nurfed last patch! Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Flinky on March 20, 2008, 07:48:14 AM [Chaos-McBolter] LFM Emporor group! ONly needz helar then we ready 2 go! [Chaos-Drizzit] STFU NOOB Emp wuz nurfed last patch! On the plus side, people like that will actually help with immersion when playing as Greenskins :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Arrrgh on March 20, 2008, 08:39:44 AM Since most MMOs suck is not having MMO experience really such a drawback?
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Murgos on March 20, 2008, 08:45:24 AM Since most MMOs suck is not having MMO experience really such a drawback? Yes, because that make the same mistakes that were made 10 years ago rather than all new mistakes. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Venkman on March 20, 2008, 08:58:57 AM Very true, unless it's something like Dofus going for a completely different audience.
In this case though, WH40k is definitely the existing audience unless they cobble together some xtrans-based browser RTS game ;) So yea on the one hand they risk repeating mistakes only other people have learned from. But on the other, you first need confidence in the game actually ever launching to be concerned by that :oh_i_see: How many 40k MMOs have been announced in the last 10 years? I can think of two off the top of my head but am pretty sure there were two other times too. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Arrrgh on March 20, 2008, 09:04:25 AM Since most MMOs suck is not having MMO experience really such a drawback? Yes, because that make the same mistakes that were made 10 years ago rather than all new mistakes. The way Vanguard avoided all the mistakes of EQ? Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Murgos on March 20, 2008, 09:26:47 AM The way Vanguard avoided all the mistakes of EQ? I refuse to be drawn into a debate on why the insane do irrational things. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: naum on March 20, 2008, 09:41:26 AM What does any of this have to do with Lejendary Adventure Online (http://www.rpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10075&games=724)?
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Lantyssa on March 20, 2008, 09:59:23 AM The way Vanguard avoided all the mistakes of EQ? If there is much truth to that one tell-all post, Vanguard was put out by newbies, too. It rather reinforces Murgos' point.Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: HaemishM on March 20, 2008, 10:50:19 AM I cannot see how a 40k MMO would be worth anything unless it was either an MMOFPS that didn't suck (like Battlefield 2 rather than Planetside) or was a turn-based strategy game that was nothing more than a translation of the tabletop to persistant campaign status. I'd play those. If it's just DIKU with 40k Skins, shove it right back up your sunshine hole.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: WayAbvPar on March 20, 2008, 10:56:34 AM What does any of this have to do with Lejendary Adventure Online (http://www.rpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10075&games=724)? Quote Release date: Cancelled :sad_panda: Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: angry.bob on March 20, 2008, 11:02:27 AM Eh, they could make a MMORPG based on that Dark Whateverthefuckangstynerds RPG game they just released but only printed about 500 copies of. It'll suck cockass though unless you can play other races than human, and that brings up some pretty giant balance issues if they stick to the source material.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Surlyboi on March 20, 2008, 11:55:06 AM Getcher boltas, boyz, it's time ferra waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: naum on March 20, 2008, 12:47:14 PM …a turn-based strategy game that was nothing more than a translation of the tabletop to persistant campaign status… Why hasn't there been any of these? Oh, I forgot, that would jeopardize RL properties… Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: WayAbvPar on March 20, 2008, 01:11:37 PM …a turn-based strategy game that was nothing more than a translation of the tabletop to persistant campaign status… Why hasn't there been any of these? Oh, I forgot, that would jeopardize RL properties… Pretty much the same reason that WotC insists on selling virtual MtG cards for the same price as real ones. To roll around in cash and fuck the customer twice. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Trippy on March 20, 2008, 05:17:59 PM Since most MMOs suck is not having MMO experience really such a drawback? No it's not. It's still the case that the best MMORPGs developed here in NA were done by teams new to the MMO development process. With experienced teams you end up with things like AC2, SWG, TR, EQ II, and AA. Vanguard was something of a special case in that it was designed by vets but mostly implemented by newbies so it doubly sucked. Of course first time efforts can be stinkers as well.What matters is that the team understands what makes a game fun, cares about quality and knows how to and has the time to polish the game. Relic is such a studio, IMO. Unfortunately they aren't doing the MMO. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Venkman on March 20, 2008, 05:39:10 PM I cannot see how a 40k MMO would be worth anything unless it was either an MMOFPS that didn't suck (like Battlefield 2 rather than Planetside) or was a turn-based strategy game that was nothing more than a translation of the tabletop to persistant campaign status. I'd play those. Either one of those would be awesome, and the latter is a microtrans' fan's wet dream. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: HaemishM on March 20, 2008, 08:07:07 PM I cannot see how a 40k MMO would be worth anything unless it was either an MMOFPS that didn't suck (like Battlefield 2 rather than Planetside) or was a turn-based strategy game that was nothing more than a translation of the tabletop to persistant campaign status. I'd play those. Either one of those would be awesome, and the latter is a microtrans' fan's wet dream. Oh, I'd be SO DOWN for a TBS translation of the tabletop game. Hell, I'd probably even spend money on the armies, so long as they didn't try to charge RL prices for virtual armies and shit. Of course, knowing GW, they'd probably make it so that you paid like $20 for the basic army and any of the overpowered special units/characters you'd have to buy separately for $10 a pop, making those who spent more much more powerful than those who didn't. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: WindupAtheist on March 20, 2008, 08:43:28 PM What's the point of getting excited about some "in the works" MMO? They take years to actually come out, are frequently shitty, and by the end they resemble nothing like what you expected anyway. Getting excited about an MMO that may or may not be in development is stupid. Unless it's KOTOR Online.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/GrimDysart/sig4.jpg) anakin'd Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Ratman_tf on March 20, 2008, 11:01:39 PM (http://www.angelfire.com/ak4/ratman/jarsig.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Megrim on March 20, 2008, 11:18:21 PM Oh you didn't...
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: NiX on March 21, 2008, 12:19:03 AM He did and it was funny :drill:
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Morfiend on March 21, 2008, 03:04:56 PM (http://www.angelfire.com/ak4/ratman/jarsig.jpg) :hello_thar: Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Nonentity on March 21, 2008, 07:05:37 PM what
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: rk47 on March 21, 2008, 07:22:52 PM wouldn't be so bad if it's MMO'ish with squad gameplay like Granado Espada / Sword of the New World. You're a squad, and you command it. Upgrade gears with requisition points ,participate in battle etc etc.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: WindupAtheist on March 22, 2008, 01:08:56 AM (http://www.angelfire.com/ak4/ratman/jarsig.jpg) Made of win. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: UnSub on March 23, 2008, 08:11:05 PM wouldn't be so bad if it's MMO'ish with squad gameplay like Granado Espada / Sword of the New World. You're a squad, and you command it. Upgrade gears with requisition points ,participate in battle etc etc. I was thinking the same thing: every player has a team of pets they control and command. That would be able to work real time and still have lots of flexibility. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Aez on March 24, 2008, 06:07:35 AM Game designer 1 : wouldn't be so bad if it's MMO'ish with squad gameplay like Granado Espada / Sword of the New World. You're a squad, and you command it. Upgrade gears with requisition points ,participate in battle etc etc. I was thinking the same thing: every player has a team of pets they control and command. That would be able to work real time and still have lots of flexibility. Producer 1 : interesting, will it make the game looks like teh WoW? Game designer 1 : no. Producer 1 : what's the point then? Game designer 1 : We have a fraction of WoW development budget AND they have an 8 year advance on us for development time. It's better to find a niche and get a 150k stable subscription than fighting an unbeatable war. Producer 1 : :uhrr: Game designer 2 : I can deliver teh WoW in 18 months for 8 millions. Producer 1 : ahhhh, take my money. Game designer 1 : WTF??? Everybody know this guy is completely insane and addicted to crack! Producer 1 : What's your point, don't you have a niche to take care of. Game designer 2 : LOL Game designer 1 : :uhrr: Game designer 2 : You like boose? Producer 1 : :drill: Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Jimbo on March 24, 2008, 06:22:38 AM OMG Aez that was too funny! :rofl: Way too true, but way too funny!
Are there any MMOG's that let you command like a squad? Not the RTSmmogs, but say a game where you can have a team of four characters you control (or more?), and level them up and have fun building a team. I allways loved The Temple of Elemental Evil turn based system it had (even if it was a buggy, the way it played was more a thinking rpg), and a mmog where you have it more turn based with a squad would be pretty fun. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Trippy on March 24, 2008, 06:40:23 AM Granado Espada, mentioned above, allows you to control a team of 3.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Ratman_tf on March 24, 2008, 07:54:34 AM OMG Aez that was too funny! :rofl: Way too true, but way too funny! Are there any MMOG's that let you command like a squad? Not the RTSmmogs, but say a game where you can have a team of four characters you control (or more?), and level them up and have fun building a team. I allways loved The Temple of Elemental Evil turn based system it had (even if it was a buggy, the way it played was more a thinking rpg), and a mmog where you have it more turn based with a squad would be pretty fun. It's on the list for Tabula Rasa, but they had to make unicorn helmets first. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 24, 2008, 10:05:35 AM Granado Espada, mentioned above, allows you to control a team of 3. Very cool game, great game play, great art, grind kills it all. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: UnSub on March 24, 2008, 06:33:25 PM Granado Espada, mentioned above, allows you to control a team of 3. The stillborn Gods and Heroes let you control a number of squad members as you went up in level. I think you could control up to 8 members at a time in the end game. For a Warhammer 40k game, I could certainly see potential in player rank (i.e. level) giving the player a number of requisition points that they could then spend on squad configurations. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Trippy on March 24, 2008, 08:37:30 PM G&H was different though -- you only had limited control over them and limited customization (e.g. the equipment that you could put on them). The Mastermind's henchmen in CoV are basically the same thing. In Granado Espada your team are full blown characters.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Venkman on April 08, 2008, 09:34:59 AM Not a big necro, but here's some new information from Vigil Games (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=186373). This is a brief CVG writeup of info provided by PC Gamer UK.
Summary:
The rest is fluff stuff not worth commenting until they actually have it playable. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Kirth on April 08, 2008, 12:41:34 PM On a related note, an interview by eurogamer with a THQ Exec. He comments on WoW's impact in the market and how he feels it has peeked and makes a reference to the "Warcraft ripping off Warhammer" debate, not I'm not suggesting the above is true just relaying.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=130974 Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: HaemishM on April 08, 2008, 01:33:16 PM
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Simond on April 08, 2008, 02:28:05 PM On a related note, an interview by eurogamer with a THQ Exec. He comments on WoW's impact in the market and how he feels it has peeked and makes a reference to the "Warcraft ripping off Warhammer" debate, not I'm not suggesting the above is true just relaying. Everybody remember to quote this when WoW hits 12 million post-WotLK. :grin:http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=130974 Also, he seems to think that WoW is it for Blizzard MMOGs - anyone care to fill him in about the (inevitable) Starcraft one under development? Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: kaid on April 09, 2008, 07:29:03 AM If a starcraft mmo gets made it would be like printing money even if it sucked donkey balls for blizzard. I cannot imagine them leaving that mound of cash on the table and not trying to go get it.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Hutch on April 09, 2008, 07:38:21 AM Once the Starcraft MMO tops 20 million subs (in Korea alone!) and Blizzard has started printing their own currency, the players will need somewhere to spend it. One solution: Diablo MMO.
I can see it now. The first major quest hub will have an npc who says "London? I've heard of it. A group of travellers set out for London some years back. Never heard from them again." Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: DarkSign on April 09, 2008, 08:08:18 AM Darkfall (muahahahahahahahah *cough vaporware*) said it was going to allow you to control a squad for both battle and healing.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Chenghiz on April 11, 2008, 02:09:36 PM honestly, although I can't really see 40k proper turned into a MMO, Dark Heresy would make a pretty good setting for one.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Azazel on April 12, 2008, 08:19:13 PM On a related note, an interview by eurogamer with a THQ Exec. He comments on WoW's impact in the market and how he feels it has peeked and makes a reference to the "Warcraft ripping off Warhammer" debate, not I'm not suggesting the above is true just relaying. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=130974 The guy is a badly-briefed idiot. Well, either that or is trying to put a crazy spin on things. Warcraft ripped off Warhammer Fantasy, not 40k. But then, Fantasy is EA's game.. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Aez on April 13, 2008, 07:38:03 AM On a related note, an interview by eurogamer with a THQ Exec. He comments on WoW's impact in the market and how he feels it has peeked and makes a reference to the "Warcraft ripping off Warhammer" debate, not I'm not suggesting the above is true just relaying. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=130974 The guy is a badly-briefed idiot. Well, either that or is trying to put a crazy spin on things. Warcraft ripped off Warhammer Fantasy, not 40k. But then, Fantasy is EA's game.. I haven't read everything so I might be misunderstanding you. Don't forget that Starcraft is a 40k ripoff. I got the feeling he was talking about the ruleset though, not the setting. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: gryeyes on May 04, 2008, 04:37:19 PM On a related note, an interview by eurogamer with a THQ Exec. He comments on WoW's impact in the market and how he feels it has peeked and makes a reference to the "Warcraft ripping off Warhammer" debate, not I'm not suggesting the above is true just relaying. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=130974 The guy is a badly-briefed idiot. Well, either that or is trying to put a crazy spin on things. Warcraft ripped off Warhammer Fantasy, not 40k. But then, Fantasy is EA's game.. Starcraft? Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Aez on May 04, 2008, 07:24:48 PM Starcraft? No green so I'll try an honest awnser. n00b!1! http://benoliverisalive.blogspot.com/2007/08/starcraft-warhammer-40k-and-starship.html (http://benoliverisalive.blogspot.com/2007/08/starcraft-warhammer-40k-and-starship.html) Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: 5150 on May 28, 2008, 06:25:16 AM Getcher boltas, boyz, it's time ferra waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! Orks don't use Bolters anymore - when did you last play dude! :-) /me had his uber Harlequin squad wiped out by Warboss command squad and their 50-odd attacks at the weekend :-( /edit - the only way I think a MMORPG of 40k would work would be to set it up like the Necromunda game, otherwise you just head back into SWG territory where everyone will want/expect to be a) A Space Marine (or other hard combat class) b) the/a hero in a universe [unlike Starwars] where the [few] heroes don't actually get to make a huge difference Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Xeyi on May 28, 2008, 07:30:14 AM /edit - the only way I think a MMORPG of 40k would work would be to set it up like the Necromunda game, otherwise you just head back into SWG territory where everyone will want/expect to be a) A Space Marine (or other hard combat class) b) the/a hero in a universe [unlike Starwars] where the [few] heroes don't actually get to make a huge difference I'm holding out hope the game will be more like that as well. Dark, gritty, mutants abound and territory to fight over gang warfare style would probably work pretty well as a concept. Problem is I can't imagine there would be much market for a 40k game that didnt include space marines in some shape or other. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: 5150 on May 28, 2008, 08:12:20 AM /edit - the only way I think a MMORPG of 40k would work would be to set it up like the Necromunda game, otherwise you just head back into SWG territory where everyone will want/expect to be a) A Space Marine (or other hard combat class) b) the/a hero in a universe [unlike Starwars] where the [few] heroes don't actually get to make a huge difference I'm holding out hope the game will be more like that as well. Dark, gritty, mutants abound and territory to fight over gang warfare style would probably work pretty well as a concept. Problem is I can't imagine there would be much market for a 40k game that didnt include space marines in some shape or other. Yep the SWG/Jedi problem all over again! Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: eldaec on May 28, 2008, 10:55:45 AM Sounds to me like they are shooting for Space Hulk or Rebelstar/Laser Squad in real time and with the dinggratz added.
Or in other words, Hellgate, only slower, more tactical, and hopefully not shit. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: rk47 on May 28, 2008, 07:46:46 PM When an mmorpg opens a class that is supposed to be a stronger class in the universe yet its faction does not dominance by its lesser number...it will ultimately prove to be too popular; rendering its the weakness of its faction somewhat irrelevant.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Azazel on May 28, 2008, 11:33:59 PM I haven't read everything so I might be misunderstanding you. Don't forget that Starcraft is a 40k ripoff. I got the feeling he was talking about the ruleset though, not the setting. Didn't look at this thread again till today. But here's the quote where he's clearly talking about both WoW and 40k. Ruleset wise, 40k was a rules-splinoff of WFB, and has evolved in a different direction. Very little in common with WoW. Quote from: THQ executive Jack Sorenson Sorenson commented: "However long it takes World of Warcraft to go through its cycle there will always be people on it, probably always be millions of people on it, but does it keep at that peak? "Blizzard based a lot of their, let's say, RPG characteristics on 40k, which was the original," he continued. "There's a lot of commonality there that just comes right out of what Games Workshop has developed - the fiction, and the rest of it is incredibly deep. I think if we're true to that and do it at a high quality, then people will come. And they can certainly co-exist." Starcraft? See above. I could go a well-done MMO-style Space Hulk/Necromunda. As long as its not shit. With devs like Vaginass onboard though, I'm not holding a huge amount of hope.. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: rk47 on May 29, 2008, 12:36:26 AM ...vaginas? :uhrr:
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Surlyboi on May 29, 2008, 04:29:20 AM Getcher boltas, boyz, it's time ferra waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! Orks don't use Bolters anymore - when did you last play dude! :-) /me had his uber Harlequin squad wiped out by Warboss command squad and their 50-odd attacks at the weekend :-( Last time I played was when the Harlequins were made of lead. =) Still got my badass squad of them splayed under one of my monitors. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: 5150 on May 29, 2008, 04:37:44 AM Last time I played was when the Harlequins were made of lead. =) Still got my badass squad of them splayed under one of my monitors. I believe the new 'Quin models are still lead, I'm using the 'old skool' ones however. They are still pretty impressive combat-wise (no Solitaire and only 1 Death Jester now though) as long as they get to charge but they are unfortunately very points heavy and quite squishy (especially when charged by a ~400 point Ork command unit <sob>) Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: WindupAtheist on May 29, 2008, 04:52:44 AM I still think everyone spewing "Blizzard ripped off Warhammer!" should be strangled by Zombie Gygax, who would in turn be ripped apart by the ghost of Tolkien.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Aez on May 29, 2008, 06:01:20 PM Lets face it, this is a sad debate to have.
Still... Gygax was inspired by Tolkien. Games Workshop's devs were inspired by Gygax and Tolkien. But there is a difference between the IP, a noticebale evolution. Warhammer is a different world than Middle earth and there's no spacemarines in Tolkien's universe. Warcraft and Starcraft however... it's almost a direct copy & paste from Warhammer. It's like they started to do a Warhammer game but lost the IP when they were 80% done. In fact, I vaguely remember ready a story like that. I can't remember if the story was bogus but it was definitely plausible. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: rk47 on May 29, 2008, 06:48:06 PM there's no issue until the two gamers claim their universe is better or some shit. I definitely dig W40K more since it's full of outrageous shit like Angels with burning sword surrounded with laser toting all-girl choir squad worshippers.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Chenghiz on May 29, 2008, 06:55:45 PM Warcraft and Starcraft however... it's almost a direct copy & paste from Warhammer. It's like they started to do a Warhammer game but lost the IP when they were 80% done. In fact, I vaguely remember ready a story like that. I can't remember if the story was bogus but it was definitely plausible. I heard that as well, concerning the development of the first Warcraft game. But let's face it, while Warhammer was clearly an inspiration for Warcraft, Blizzard has largely gone their own way since then. At the heart, Protoss are vastly different than Eldar, the noble-savage Warcraft Orcs are vastly different than the gleefully destructive Orks, and the hillbilly Terrans are nothing like the proto-Roman Imperium of Man. They're both richly realised universes at this point, though Warhammer 40k is quite a bit more fleshed out than Starcraft and Warcraft seems deeper than Warhammer Fantasy (though I admit I'm not by any means knowledgeable on Warhammer Fantasy). Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: rk47 on May 29, 2008, 10:13:08 PM i don't like warcraft plot at all. it reads like some amateur hour medieval plot rehash. 10x worse when you follow the Wc3 Campaign.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: WindupAtheist on May 29, 2008, 11:56:19 PM The sort of fanboy who really cares about such things is going to cry when it all ends up yet another "Nope, nobody else can even top prime EQ1 yet!" Blizzard speedbump.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: lamaros on May 30, 2008, 12:47:55 AM The sort of fanboy who really cares about such things is going to cry when it all ends up yet another "Nope, nobody else can even top prime EQ1 yet!" Blizzard speedbump. Just to be clear: Are you hopping on the WoW bandwagon after all this time WUA? Your anti-pathy seems to have gone. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Merusk on May 30, 2008, 03:22:20 AM He played the game.
Not only that but he played and ENJOYED the game. That's world-shattering in and of itself. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: WindupAtheist on May 30, 2008, 04:13:48 AM I muck around in WoW a bit. It's very slick and competent, in comparison to the tottering shitpile of spaghetti code which is UO on it's best day. I mean if I'm going to play something else, it may as well be this. But I think the reason I've finally become something of a mild WoW booster was best summed up by El Gallo in the SWG 'twitch' thread a couple years ago.
Quote from: El Gallo I remember the great optimism on LtM about the industry's growth in the early EQ days. MMOs were THE thing to make! Once this next group of games hit, wow, this baby is gonna explode. Then those games -- DAoC, AO, AC -- hit with a big ole whimper. Maybe the genre had capped out. Maybe people wouldn't line up around the block to throw millions at Whamdoodles after all. But, never fear, the old guard is coming out with their second round of games. Oops, AC2 is an utter piece of garbage. But wait, we have the first generation winning company (SoE) teaming up with the first generation's runner-up developer (Koster) combined with solid financial backing and the most valuable license this side of Bible Online (Star Wars). Surely, that would be the game that blow open the market....after all, we'd been waiting for ~4 years for that now. Then SWG came out, and it was just an embarrassingly horrid pile of shit. The HAM system is just one of many systems that a moderately intelligent 9 year old would laugh at. It hit the marketplace with a whimper and never came close to EverQuest, which by now was finally beginning its death rattle with PoP to fuck over the casuals and GoD to fuck over the hardcore. All of a sudden, all that optimism from 1999 is starting to look a bit laughable. Then a MMO based on the most successful computer game ever (the Sims) crashes and burns. And now let me engage in a bit of alternate history. Next, the successor to the industry's brightest star -- EQ2 -- hits the shelves. Another crushingly bland game that limps along with sub-EQ1 numbers, mostly cannibalizing them from its predecessor. Turbine vomits out another failure in DDO. Then we get Our Lord and Savior Aradune McQuaid's Vanguard, which reeks more and more of EQ2b every day. Another fizzle. It's now 2007. The high point of Western MMOs commercially is still EverQuest -- its release day now more than 8 years in the rear view mirror. Are you excited to invest in this industry? Is this the wave of the future? It sounds like a dead-end to me. It wasn't only SWG, but SWG was a big part of this dreary picture. MMOs were fucking done, man. Flight simulator-done. Betamax-done. An inbred, backwards shithole in the world of computer gaming, much less video gaming. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: stray on June 02, 2008, 12:28:31 AM i don't like warcraft plot at all. it reads like some amateur hour medieval plot rehash. 10x worse when you follow the Wc3 Campaign. Rehashed plot or not, it's not supposed to be high fantasy or anything. More like... The Saturday Morning Cartoon version of rehashed fantasy plots. That has some appeal, I think. I can appreciate that particular presentation of fantasy, even if the general "plot" isn't all that great. Most fantasy is just way too serious for it's own good. When I think of it, some strange amalgam of Fabio, Brock Lesnar, and Comic Book guy come to mind. Not good. Only Conan gets a pass, as far as serious fantasy goes. Also, there are some original elements to Warcraft. It's not all a rehash. Like Trolls. These guys are not your momma's trolls. They're damn cool. Fuck the rest of Warcraft actually. There should be a jungle platformer game with just a troll in it. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: rk47 on June 02, 2008, 12:33:44 AM Ja man, dis be the hoodooo! :uhrr: Mumba Jamba~
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Azazel on June 02, 2008, 01:11:44 AM (http://whatthecrap.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/jar-jar-binks2.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: stray on June 02, 2008, 01:45:41 AM I'm not sure what's wrong with the Caribbean culture thing. I mean, that's bad how? Most human cultures and accents are represented in fantasy somehow, but that's one of the few that isn't very much. So at the very least, it's not a rehash...Which is what you were complaining about, right?
As for the particular voiceover, you really haven't thought it through. They have the only tolerable grunt in the game. :oh_i_see: Not to mention the strut, the red mohawks, and ability to do a capoeira dance. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Kirth on June 02, 2008, 03:41:01 AM Like Trolls. These guys are not your momma's trolls. They're damn cool. Fuck the rest of Warcraft actually. There should be a jungle platformer game with just a troll in it. given the sheer amount of troll biased instances, this is close to the truth. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: WindupAtheist on June 02, 2008, 02:24:44 PM I also enjoy how if a race is based off a culture that isn't white, it's automatically in the Horde.
But that's a red herring, really. WoW is the Old West, and we (even the Horde) are all the white man, and the indians are all the murlocs and gnolls and ogres we slaughter. I mean, you know, we have to go to their villages and butcher them in front of their own huts. Because they're totally a threat to the kingdom of Ironforge and it's fucking guns and giant tanks and shit. Right. Now excuse me, I have to go put some smallpox in some kobold blankets to get some XP and a new hat. Apparently the continent-spanning empire which is the Alliance finds their shitty little mining camp a super-serious threat. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: rk47 on June 02, 2008, 03:05:17 PM haha XD you're right i shdn't take the game too seriously, unlike Warhammer which is quite ...'THIS IS SRS BUSINESS' tone emanating everywhere, Warcraft is something else. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Ingmar on June 02, 2008, 03:13:57 PM I also enjoy how if a race is based off a culture that isn't white, it's automatically in the Horde. But that's a red herring, really. WoW is the Old West, and we (even the Horde) are all the white man, and the indians are all the murlocs and gnolls and ogres we slaughter. I mean, you know, we have to go to their villages and butcher them in front of their own huts. Because they're totally a threat to the kingdom of Ironforge and it's fucking guns and giant tanks and shit. Right. Now excuse me, I have to go put some smallpox in some kobold blankets to get some XP and a new hat. Apparently the continent-spanning empire which is the Alliance finds their shitty little mining camp a super-serious threat. :awesome_for_real: If this forum had a karma thing, I would mod you up as far as I possibly could for this post. Then I'd hump your leg. :heart: Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Sjofn on June 02, 2008, 05:20:27 PM Now excuse me, I have to go put some smallpox in some kobold blankets to get some XP and a new hat. Apparently the continent-spanning empire which is the Alliance finds their shitty little mining camp a super-serious threat. Look, we have a severe wax shortage, and those little savages don't understand just how badly we NEED to take candle. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Azazel on June 03, 2008, 01:26:41 AM I'm not sure what's wrong with the Caribbean culture thing. I mean, that's bad how? Most human cultures and accents are represented in fantasy somehow, but that's one of the few that isn't very much. So at the very least, it's not a rehash...Which is what you were complaining about, right? Nope, wrong on oh so many counts. I don't mind trolls. I prefer orcs and tauren, but WoW trolls are ok. My objection is that JJB has tainted all the fun out of the playful caribbean accent. Also, much :heart: for WUA's post. We always talked about genocide whenever we ran back into Nesingwary. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: WindupAtheist on June 03, 2008, 01:50:12 AM Our descendants won't be laughing 200 years from now, when they lose all their GP to some gnoll blackjack dealer at the Riverpaw Tribal Casino.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: stray on June 03, 2008, 02:48:02 AM I'm not sure what's wrong with the Caribbean culture thing. I mean, that's bad how? Most human cultures and accents are represented in fantasy somehow, but that's one of the few that isn't very much. So at the very least, it's not a rehash...Which is what you were complaining about, right? Nope, wrong on oh so many counts. I don't mind trolls. I prefer orcs and tauren, but WoW trolls are ok. My objection is that JJB has tainted all the fun out of the playful caribbean accent. JJB? What's that? Anyways.. I have some love for the Gnomes as well. All that said, I don't even play the damn game! Not sure why I'm talking about any of this :uhrr:. My only high lvl character is a Tauren Druid. No gnomes or trolls. All I know is that both have the slickest hair styles, color pallete, and the best mounts (trolls are cool in other ways as well, as I stated above). And as far as the whole cartoony feel of WoW goes, both of those races play to that strength the most. Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: HaemishM on June 03, 2008, 08:03:45 AM Our descendants won't be laughing 200 years from now, when they lose all their GP to some gnoll blackjack dealer at the Riverpaw Tribal Casino. EPIC WIN X 2. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: 5150 on June 03, 2008, 08:27:54 AM JJB? What's that? (http://whatthecrap.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/jar-jar-binks2.jpg) Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: stray on June 03, 2008, 03:25:44 PM Jar Jar Binks isn't even remotely Carribean.
Title: Re: Is this true? WH40K MMO in the making? Post by: Rasix on June 03, 2008, 03:36:27 PM Of course not, he's Gungan. :awesome_for_real:
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