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As published on the official forums by one of the devs (can't remember the name, can't access it now and copypasted the list from somewhere else).



Satisfying?

I don't see "Memory Leak" or even "Improving General Performance" on there, and that worries me.

Other than that, its good to see they know at least some of whats wrong.

Memory leaks falls under Bugs in #1.

Also, I believe them on the landscape thing, all they have to do is make the textures. I hear their content creation tools are the bee's knees.

I'm hoping they'll pull through on the landscape thingy, too.  People have been screaming for things like new tile sets on CoH for ages and it's mostly got them nowhere.  I don't know what happened with this company to force them to release a product that wasn't ready but now I guess they're under pressure to fix and add things in record time... especially since it seems a lot of very special people bought into that lifetime scheme.  Or maybe the opposite happens.  Dunno.  Never played a game for a lifetime and I don't intend to.  I'm sure it causes way too much pressure to stay alive.

I've actually stopped playing HGL until the bugs are worked out. It's 11/07, why deal with this buggyass dogshit when I could be playing the Witcher, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, Crysis, etc?

Well that's the nice thing about this season. The memory leak had gotten too bad for me to play, thankfully, it's not March or April and I can be playing other shit for the next few weeks while they fix that horrible bug.

I guess you missed M.U.L.E. back in the days, then.

I'm also taking a break, once I finish Act V normal. That way once everything works I can start right in on either Elite or Nightmare.

Saw this also:

Kaiser Hwang, Senior Community Manager, posted a message on the official forums yesterday, in which he makes a list of the team’s current priorities regarding several issues, which most of you already encountered in the game.
We realize many of you are experiencing a variety of problems. We at Flagship and Ping0 are working hard to address these issues.Our current top priorities are:

* Resolving any remaining problems related to billing and subscriptions.
* Fixing two known bugs which cause players to sometimes lose items (one related to dual focus/dual melee, and one related to loading issues).
* Making improvements to memory usage in order to reduce “Memory Exhausted” crashes.
* Fixing a known issue with the user interface which causes the application to lock up intermittently.
* An issue which occasionally prevents characters from being able to load or switch instances.
* General chat interface improvements. (Many improvements are in the works).
* Random disconnects and lag.
* Allowing higher resolution textures and models for other players.
* Various known problems with being able to continue interrupted side quests.
* Remnant quest items not getting destroyed and “clogging” up inventory.
* Continued problems with saving / loading Engineer Drone items.
* Invisible party members.
* The nanoforge not correctly improving rare and better armors.
* Getting stuck on collision.

Some of these are issues which will be fixed as soon as possible and go live in upcoming patches, some will be in our upcoming content patch, and others are issues on which we will make gradual improvements to on a continuous basis.

Of course we also have a more extensive bug list as well as lot of general improvements and new content in the works. Everyone here is working full-time to support Hellgate. We appreciate your patience.

You know, at least they know nearly all the problems they have.

Hopefully they know how to fix them too.

Or Chess...


It's nice, when playing with friends, to be able to throw loot at each other so everyone can check it out and keep it if they need it.

Used to do the Diablo 2 pinata-man all the time. *throw throw throw*  "Keep what you want and sell the rest, man..."

I can see this causing a problem in Stations, but why in instances?  The loot is already on the ground to begin with. As Ratmant_tf sums up, it's pretty obvious why people want to do this.

Since though,  the loot in the instances is generated uniquely for each person when playing multi maybe that would cause the problem?? Who knows.

#8 is a pretty important one to cap.  Right now they've got it set up so the contact you have with other players is likely to be with people several levels out of your league.

No offense, but of course they fucking know. All these problems where posted over and over and over and over in beta. What pisses me off is that many people posted about this shit. The horribly broken shit, and they never responded to any of it except to say "Well, our internal client is several weeks ahead of yours". Hey guess what all this shit made it to release, and they act all supprised when it shows up and people start complaining about it.

The way they ran the beta was a huge clusterfuck. They could have gotten so much shit fixed or changed, but they didnt.

This list makes me more hopeful. More features are good, but get the damn game working first.

The flip side of that is, did the way they ran the beta and handle bugs affect their sales in a negative way at all?  Granted that's hard to quantify but outside looking in it doesn't appear to have.

I think so. If they had handled the beta better and actually made more use of the tester feedback, the game would have come out in much better shape, and not had a bunch of mediocre reviews. I know myself and at least 3 other people decided not to subscribe at release due to the shitty way beta went.

6.8 on IGN must not be really good for sales.

They're probably not hurting for sales because 75% of the total gamer population of the world went out and bought a copy the minute the game went retail.

Hype > Reviews

I don't know why they're rushing it out, Holiday sales? If they do a good beta, I'm sure many people would've pre-ordered instead of waiting for 1-2 weeks for 'retail players impressions' (which is a mixed bag, some has problem some don't) and then there's billing issue, a server wipe in S.E Asia (2 weeks into the retail too).

Finally, some people who were remotely interested or participated in the beta probably decided not to bother after reading the above average game reviews. Scores like 6-8s out of 10 are hardly going to impress fence sitters. Especially when you have to deal with being 'second class netizen' till you pay the 'optional sub'.

Source?

I'm sorry, I've yet to find a compelling source for gross exaggerations.

I loled

you'll get used to it after a while.  :oh_i_see:

"Landscape variety" is a huge undertaking. You need to add new textures, new geometry and new level-building rules. World content is a large part of overall game content, greatly increasing the amount of world content is a ton of new development effort.

you win this round  8-)

ROFLMAO


Obviously us testers are doing something right.

I don't understand what's funny there. What prompted the ROFLMAO? Launch was a mess, they gave people another week. Seems like standard procedure for the whole industry.

I'm on the last quest chain for Act4, I intend to beat Act5 come hell or highwater but after that its seeming like a nice long break.  Need to pick up that UT preorder since the deal is so fly.

Heh, I'm just a little further ahead.  Actually, on my way to Hell to finish tonight.

Um...99% of the beta crowd they are talking about had pre-orderd the game.  I would venture a guess that a very, teeny tiny amount of those canceled their order or returned the box.  Their extension sounds good on the surface but I can't see the amount of beta testers that don't actually own the game being more than say..... 3. 

Wait a sec.  I just read that again.  You have to enter your box code to continue ergo you are still out 50 bucks if you decide not to subscribe?  What's so frickin special about that??

So now I'm trying to figure out why I paid money for the box when I could still be doing the free beta thing...  :|

What just happened?

Ratman had a Ping0 moment.

I lol'd.

 :awesome_for_real:

My friend has the BEST email ever from FSS. He had some problems with his account and they continued to send him the same form email and he got very frustrated and got quite angry. The FSS people sent him back an email saying "this could fix your problem" and they linked him to some other mmo. Classic.

He is sending me the email, so I will post it here.

Is this the thread which will contain the alert that the Magic Patch has been applied?  I keep reading these HGL threads and feeling like I wasted my time.

Patch 0.5 (http://www.hellgatelondon.com/underground/new-update-coming) sounds pretty good.

This is the sixth patch in a row claiming to fix this bug.

Some stuff in the patch that caught my eye


That will make the subscribers happy


New Ads are a feature?


Thanks be to Heaven!

Yeah. Being a subscriber is becoming more and more a waste of money. We'll see if the game lasts long enough to see those "added content" patches roll out.

durrrrrrrrr what?

This patch eats my ass. Memory leak you motherfuckers. THat should be the ONLY thing they're working on. It's like there's an elephant in the room and they are IGNORING IT BY CHOICE. Fuck that is ingratiating. I'm one patch away from tearing them an absolute asshole on the frontpage and gaming Digg show it shows up EVERYWHERE.

So the only point in paying ten dollars a month now is for a larger stash and hardcore (permadeath) mode?

Wow.

Elite mode.

Non-subs can do that. :grin:

WTF?!

Still no fix for the problem where your groupmates disappear when they zone into an instance before you? Bah. That's the biggest annoyance for my playgroups right now.

Subscription canceled. Was a waste in the first place and now they're making it worse. What the hell are they doing?

That's right, feel the power of the dark side flow through you.  Let go.  Let the power of the dark side consume you.

Or something like that.    :grin:

What are they doing? They're doing the right thing. I know it's hard to recognize, being so goddamn rare these days. The subscription should allow you to play the new content; everything else should be included with the original purchase.

Of course there is no new content yet and the game crashes every 12 minutes so yeah, don't subscribe.

(Source) (http://forums.hellgatelondon.com/showthread.php?p=402890#post402890)

(Excessive emphasis added for your amusement convenience.)

The code being unknown to him isn't a shock since he probably didn't write it. Not everyone knows all of the code in every game they've worked on, Geldon, shock as it may be.

Odd about the item inspection thing. Whenever I was in town and started doing such, things got laggier and laggier and laggier on the menus. So I'm not entirely shocked.

I did not even realize we could inspect players.  When was that implemented?

The thing that bugged me wasn't that he didn't write the code so much as the guy who wrote the code was apparently not there.  Are developers jumping ship already?  In retrospect, this was jumping to the conclusion that the code referred to was developed in-house.

It feels like I'm in a train wreck, still enjoying the ride.

Weird.

Well, the mini-game should reset, shouldn't 't it?  Otherwise it's just something to ignore and you'll eventually get a prise no matter what.  That doesn't sound very exciting.

Mmmmm, I could take that but... 15 minutes?!

Plus, in a game where you are definitely entitled to uber-loot without a sweat, I don't understand the logic behind forcing anxiety on players as they face the minigame 15 minutes timer running out while sprinting toward their hard earned last spectral kill.

% FTW.  Canceled sub.  Will check back in a couple of months.  Really want to like this game but damn they are making it tough.

I'm going back to DS.

I wonder if they'll refund lifetime subs in the first month considering they extended the offer.

You actually can't inspect other characters, and I'm pretty sure that a part of the memory leak involves the mouse over hovering description panels... In terms of adding to the memory leak, I've found (and submitted) numerous different ways that I was able to get the memory crash, and one of the ways was by inspecting things with the mouse over. Some things I also let them know about (Memory ++) were the fact that all mods added to weapons display on every single character in the same zone as you, numerous different weapon effects being used, and the item/palladium boxes displaying inside instances. All of these can (and will) lead to a memory exhasution error. 

Not much I can say about most of the patch stuff except the decision to reset the mini-game is because of the locking error (a stupid decision), the 24 characters is only for the test server (AFAIK + I hope) and that most of the major things they are patching have been known issues that I saw on the beta boards like day 1 I was able to join. All the chat changes sound like ass though.

You are a fucking moron and a very good example as to what is wrong with Americans.

Shit, you do not know this mans job at all,  no matter what you read on the intardnet.
Christ I hate you.  This is not to troll you, I am begging you not to respond.  I just needed to vent because I hate you.  Hate.

 :popcorn:

(Seriously, I never assumed I did know his job.  I just underlined that to point out why it's taking so long with the memory leak fix.  I see somebody's carrying a chip on his shoulder.)

(http://www.democraticwarrior.com/forum/images/smilies/duke.gif)

That would be nice to know, wouldn't it?

We're gonna find out. I already emailed support.

It's official. Ping0 is full of gibbering retards.

Here's the response. This is soooooooooooooooo getting a frontpage article. The lack of COMMON SENSE is astouuuuuunding:


That doesn't explain shit. How is that logical? AT ALL?

I'm going to write again saying:
OK, CAN YOU ALL CANCEL MY ACCOUNT AND ISSUE A REFUND?

Typo.

It appears the 24 character slots is a permanent live change for non subs..

http://forums.hellgatelondon.com/showthread.php?t=44691

Thing is, I don't want to unsubscribe, but paying what, $200 for a game that won't run despite me blasting their minimum settings into oblivion is a customer service maelstrom. They need to either start delivering super fast or they're going to be in for hell. I'm going to start a frontpage story after I get my new ticket answered.

I didn't lol.

They just sent me the same response again. It's hammering time.

These people have to be fucking Russian or Indian.

I also received a form response for my $10 sub refund inquiry (it's only $10, but at this point I want FSS to burn), that in no way acknowledged my reasons for wanting a refund (fawkes fires made game unplayable).

Rail on them, man.

That is the last ticket. We'll see what happens. I thought a warning was in order.

I'm hoping I get the same canned response again.

The thing that really burns my ass about this whole debacle is that this is not some rookie start up dev house with no experience. This is a group of guys who's entire top management has been in the games industry for 10+ years and have shipped numerous AAA titles. They know better. They had more than ample development time, funding and creative freedom. It's a damn shame really.

For the records, here's the reponse I had received to my own inquiry:

"we don't have the provision..." = 'eat our collective dicks, sucker.'  Fuck them.

Haha.

The test server for the 0.5 patch was brought up and then down, hours later, today.  That build introduced a bug that causes anyone whose chat window displays "%" to crash immediately.

Sure, it's the test server, but still - what a great bug.

Also, there's a new bug introduced by the patch involving engineers.  When an Engi brings up their drone's equipment screen, that screen appears for all party members also.  I wonder if those party members can then loot the drone...

Done.

http://www.f13.net/index.php?itemid=620#more