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Makes me CRAZY.

Made you vote liberal, didn't it?

*15* whole people were tested?  How titanic!

Interesting aside, this guy is now president of a small company.

I knew a guy in college who made some pot brownies.  He had bought 8 lbs of pot, it came in garbage bags, and striped all the stems and crap out of it.  He boiled those stems in cooking oil and then used the oil to make the brownies.

People complained of hallucinations.

Interesting aside, this guy is now president of a small company.

Prices of marijuana show wide variation by country of origin. Using wholesale prices per pound and mid-1991 prices, the price of marijuana of Mexican origin varied between $350 and $1600. For Colombian marijuana, this figure was $800 to $1,000 and for marijuana from Thailand, the price ranged from $2,000 to $3,000 per pound. Jamaican marijuana brought $1,500 to $2,000 per pound for commercial grade and $2,000-$3,000 for sinsemilla (BJS, 1992, p. 54). It is estimated that United States consumers of marijuana spent $9 billion in 1990 (BJS, 1992, p. 36).

The price of marijuana has been increasing on both a per pound and per ounce basis. During the early 1980s, a pound of commercial grade marijuana sold in the United States for between $350 and $600. Sinsemilla brought a higher price per pound, in the range of $1,000 to $2,000. In 1989 the price of a pound of commercial grade marijuana was between $350 and $2,000. An ounce of the same quality cost between $30 and $250. For sinsemilla, a pound cost between $700 and $3,000 and an ounce sold for between $100 and $300. A pound of commercial grade marijuana, in 1990, sold for between $250 and $3,000 and an ounce sold for between $25 and $300. For sinsemilla, the price ranges were $400 to $4100 for a pound and $80 to $350 for an ounce. The year 1991 saw commercial grade marijuana being sold for between $400 and $3,000 per pound and for between $40 and $550 per ounce. A pound of sinsemilla brought a price range of between $500 and $6,000 and an ounce brought a range of between $100 and $450. In the year 1992, a pound of commercial grade marijuana sold for between $300 and $3,000. An ounce of commercial grade brought between $40 and $450. The sinsemilla, in 1992, brought between $650 and $9,600 per pound and between $125 and $650 per ounce (BJS, 1992, p. 62). Figures on marijuana prices collected by the Community Epidemiology Work Group in June 1994 show essentially the same price structure (NIDA, 1994, p. 48). The range for a pound of sinsemilla in June, 1994 was between $650 and $9,000. For commercial grade marijuana, the range per pound was between $350 and $3,000.

According to a user survey conducted by Chalsma and Boyum (1994) for the ONDCP, the average price of marijuana in the United States was $55 for a quarter ounce. This amounts to about 8 dollars per gram which is very similar to the price charged for marijuana in Dutch coffeeshops.

To state the obvious, the cited prices demonstrate dramatic upsurge and offer tremendous potential for profit to the cultivator/trafficker of marijuana. Using indoor, high grade sinsemilla as an example, the DEA calculates the typical domestic marijuana grower to have approximately 250 plants per growing cycle. Using an estimate (which DEA purports as conservative) of one pound per plant and an average price of $3,000 per pound, the revenue generated would be of the magnitude of $750,000 per quarter (DEA, no date, p. 36).

Using an estimate (which DEA purports as conservative) of one pound per plant and an average price of $3,000 per pound, the revenue generated would be of the magnitude of $750,000 per quarter (DEA, no date, p. 36).

Maybe the researchers were sampling their own wares and just couldn't be arsed to get more volunteers.

Define "minor hallucinations", por favor.

Very slight blurring and shifting.  Like if you focus it goes away.

It turns out beer is a hallucinogen too.

edit: also, Ironwood, sleep deprivation does cause hallucinations.  There's only about 25 jillion studies showing it.

Indeed. Once in my youth I went over 72 hours without sleep and when driving around trees and bushes looked like animals and stuff. It was fascinating since I was still awake enough to recognize what was going on but even though I knew that my mind wouldn't stop making stuff up.

Why are you guys such turds about this?  Am I stepping on your dicks?  Making you feel all defensive because in my experience an extremely strong marijuana high caused some people some slight hallucinations and you just don't anyone actually pointing out to you that fucking with your brains receptors is probably not really a good thing?

Pot, the wonder drug!!!  Or maybe it's just a drug?

edit: also, Ironwood, sleep deprivation does cause hallucinations.  There's only about 25 jillion studies showing it.

It whitens teeth, cures cancer, resurrects your dead childhood pet, and anyone who says otherwise is in the pocket of the producers of non-magical* drugs!

*Everything else.

Haven't you ever seen Pet Cemetery? I don't think that's a good thing :P

Sometimes dead is bettuh.

Well, I'm convinced:  We need a War On Alcohol, Sleep Deprivation, And Guitar Hero ASAP!  Fair's fair.

The costs of banning alcohol or tobacco NOW may be too high, even if we should have banned them from the beginning.  Similarly, the cost of allowing pot NOW may be too high, even if in the first instance we should have allowed it.

I can see where you're coming from with the first part (although I'm not sure I agree with it, at least not at the national level), but not the second.  If we should have allowed pot from the beginning, what's the "cost" of allowing it now?

A simpler way to put it:  Saying pot is "just as bad" as alcohol or tobacco may mean we screwed up on allowing alcohol and tobacco.  But why does that mistake mean we have to throw up our hands now and open the floodgates to all bad things?

Quick Psych 101: Psychology is only useful for broad, sweeping statements and we don't have a true understanding of all aspects of the brain or how they work, let alone how drugs interact with it (note: Not talking out of my ass; I have a Psych degree and recently had a great conversation with a neuroscientist on this exact topic).

From the article: the two main active components of marijuana are cannabidiol (CBD) and tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). CBD produces a calming effect. THC is associated with the paranoia, euphoria.

There are upwards of 300 active compounds in marijuana. This study took the two most abundant (THC and CBD), and looked to see where the brain was affected. Because of anti-drug taboos, these studies are almost always conducted with synthesized THC. And an MRI will give you an image of activity or inactivity, but - as already mentioned - we don't know all the details of activity in certain areas of the brain.

To sum up: Doctors treated patients with a synthesis of a compound known to cause mild paranoia. They then put their patients in this machine [mri imager] and reported that the brain scan showed affected areas related to paranoia. No shit.

I am not trying to slam the study. The media and its fervor, however, can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut on this one. Reuters has this article titled "Brain scans pinpoint cannabis health risk." But they didn't. The brain scans show activity or inactivity of the brain, and and the implications affect mental health outlook, while "health" implies physical health or brain damage. First sentence: "Brain scans showing how cannabis affects brain function...." Hold it right there. Function is not measured but by behavior. See previous explanation of what is being measured.

    "It's no longer a contentious issue. The expert community, by and large, accepts that cannabis contributes to the onset of psychotic symptoms in general and the severe form of psychosis, schizophrenia," [Professor Robin Murray, conference organizer] said.

Wrong. That sounds like the "Weed makes you crazy" defense. Dr. Zerrin Atakan, author of the study, was found to be an astute, reasonable human being completely void of the sensationalism that would follow a story like this. He was quoted in the Telegraph in 2004 as saying:

    Cannabis psychosis is a very vague term. If we ever use the phrase, it is only to describe very short-term effects immediately following smoking, and it certainly doesn't refer to users having a psychotic disorder. People may feel frightened or paranoid, but these feelings pass in a matter of hours or, more rarely, days, and practically never require treatment.

He even laid out some very lucid guidelines in a message to the 2005 Cannabis Education March & Rally, telling everyone to make up their own mind about marijuana, but hitting on some basic facts about smoking before your brain is done growing, smoking if you have mental illness, or smoking every day. Very understanding and well-understood.

This study seems to be saying, "Hay.. pot can do that to some people, too. Interesting."   The article didn't say, "OMG REEFER MADNESS, POT MUST STAY ILLEGAL 4tCHILDRENS"

It's bad science because it tells me things any person even vaguely knowledgeable about pot already knows...

I'm not arguing that as a social utilitarian matter, we are better off with pot illegal than with it legal.  I'm just saying that pot legalization arguments based on alcohol and tobacco are strawmen/logically flawed.  The pot debate should stand on its own merits, not on shrill screeching that "ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO ARE WORSE, YOU ARE THUS HYPROCRITES FOR POINTING OUT WAYS IN WHICH POT IS BAD". 

I think the early parts of this thread deny your statement in full.

We might be treading into the realm of politics here.

Is someone high a danger to themselves and others if they get behind the wheel of a car? Is there a good method for testing if someone is high if they do get behind a wheel of a car?

And invoking propaganda such as Reefer Madness wasn't hyperbolic on your part?  Pot, kettle, and all that.

Enjoy the posts for what they are:  lame jokes and exasperation at decades of blatant misinformation.

For example, admitted pot-heads who refuse to believe that there could possibly be negative effects from inhaling marijuana.

You're anaerobic?