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Title: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: LanTheWarder on March 05, 2007, 06:06:11 PM
I have had Netflix for about 4 years now and I have honestly reached a point where I am having a hard time finding movies that I haven't seen that look good.

Does anyone have any good recommendations.


I mean I rented The Marine I need help people.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Sauced on March 05, 2007, 06:33:16 PM
Seen all of these (including honorable mentions) (http://www.dvdjournal.com/extra/top25.html)?


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 05, 2007, 07:12:56 PM
Can't argue with that list.


As for fairly new stuff (say, last 2 years), I'd recommend:

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
The Prestige
Clerks II
Motorcycle Diaries
A History of Violence
The Merchant of Venice

(By no means a definitive list, just saying...)


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Lt.Dan on March 05, 2007, 07:14:17 PM
I've watched several enjoyable movies recently.  Chinatown, Akira, and The Ring (ok, so I'm 5 years late on that one, but it still scared the bejeebus out of me).

And, I think I speak for all of us here when I say: please, for the love of God will you stop your women friends from continually pulling on their hair.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 05, 2007, 07:47:22 PM
The last two good movies I saw were:

Boondock Saints (Yeah I'm behind)
and Stranger than Fiction.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Evil Elvis on March 05, 2007, 08:26:04 PM
No Barbarella?  Here are some good movies that are fairly new, or don't get mentioned too often.

Camp/Gore:
Feast
Slither

Action:
Casino Royal
Zatoichi (probably shouldn't be in action, but whatever)

Drama:
American History X

Suspense:

Session 9 (David Caruso Alert)

Comedy:
Bubba Ho-Tep
Ali G - In Da House
Waiting...

Anime:

Clone Wars (season 1&2)



Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: schild on March 05, 2007, 09:50:20 PM
Infernal Affairs. At least it's topical.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Sir Fodder on March 05, 2007, 10:04:09 PM
Looking for particular movie types? What have you liked in the past?

A few random classics:

Double Indemnity
North By Northwest
Red River

A random brutal "supermarionation" space show from the 60s:

Thunderbirds Are Go!


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 05, 2007, 10:33:52 PM
Double Indemnity is the shit.

All great choices here, and this thread has barely started.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: pxib on March 06, 2007, 12:18:49 AM
Hmm... a few movies not enough people saw:

Lone Star (the John Sayles one)
Below (creepy little movie about a ghost on a submarine during WWII)
A Very Long Engagement (gorgeous French love story about the first World War)

...and it's almost a classic in some circles, but I could watch The Fisher King five times back to back and love it more when I finished than I do already.



Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 06, 2007, 12:50:08 AM
Parts of Lone Star were filmed not far from where I live.  :-)

Great movie.

On that note, I'd recommend anything with Chris Cooper in it.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Trippy on March 06, 2007, 02:29:48 AM
Hard Boiled
God of Gamblers
Iron Monkey (1993)
The Legend of Drunken Master
Police Story
The Big Hit
Wonderfalls (TV show)


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Signe on March 06, 2007, 05:36:23 AM
I know how LanTheWarder feels.  Sometimes I get so out of touch with film that I have no idea what I'm going to see.  My first question when Righ and I sit down to watch a new-ish film is, "It's not Uwe Boll, is it?"  Usually I make him look it up online before I'll watch.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Baldrake on March 06, 2007, 09:36:33 AM
I agree with Stray on Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, A History of Violence and The Merchant of Venice. All were really, really good. My favourite of the three was History of Violence, which got largely overlooked due to an inexplicable NC17 rating.

We recently saw The Last King of Scotland, which was brilliant. I highly recommend it.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: HaemishM on March 06, 2007, 10:03:49 AM
Thank You For Smoking
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Inside Man

That's the 3 I can think of off the top of my head. I've been grabbing old Doctor Who episodes off of Gameznflix myself.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Bunk on March 06, 2007, 10:11:39 AM
Try foreign:

Delicatessen (it's finally available)
Yojimbo or Ran or pretty much any Kurosawa
Run Lola Run
Le Pacte des Loups (if you're in a popcorn mood)


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Lt.Dan on March 06, 2007, 02:38:15 PM
My favourite of the three was History of Violence, which got largely overlooked due to an inexplicable NC17 rating.

I saw History of Violence on a plane  :-o


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Krakrok on March 06, 2007, 03:53:03 PM

PM me your netflix email address and I'll add you to my friends list. I have about 1300 movies rated. The friends list exposes your name though (changed my last name on it to one character).

On the other hand I'm running out of stuff to watch as well. Stuck with 80s and 90s TV series'.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Big Gulp on March 06, 2007, 04:20:07 PM
"Old" movies:

The Lion in Winter
Day of the Jackal
Once Upon a Time in the West
The Wild Bunch
Paths of Glory
The Bicycle Thief
The Caine Mutiny
Casablanca
Chinatown
Dog Day Afternoon
Good Bye Lenin! (Okay, not old, but most people haven't heard of it)
Lolita (Kubrick version)
The Magnificent Seven
The Searchers

ETA:  The Man Who Would Be King


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Bunk on March 06, 2007, 04:24:11 PM


On the other hand I'm running out of stuff to watch as well. Stuck with 80s and 90s TV series'.

I know how you feel, I'm half way through Buffy and Farscape right now...


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: schild on March 06, 2007, 08:02:47 PM
What the fuck is up with Gulps sig?

Edit: Also, Legend of 1900. It's a movie. A good one.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 06, 2007, 09:36:38 PM
That sig is so ugly not even mentioning Dog Day, OUaTitW, and Bicycle Thief makes up for it.  :-P


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Big Gulp on March 07, 2007, 06:03:11 AM
What the fuck is up with Gulps sig?

I've been playing with the format.  Not happy with it yet.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Yegolev on March 07, 2007, 08:44:06 AM
Old Boy
Undead
The Eye


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: ahoythematey on March 07, 2007, 09:20:35 AM
The Razor's Edge
Legend of 1900
Salvador

I'll throw in my Al Pacino love with And Justice For All.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Furiously on March 07, 2007, 09:42:34 AM
Wages of Fear (then watch)
Sorcerer



Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Morfiend on March 07, 2007, 10:23:43 AM
A History of Violence

WTF is wrong with you?


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 07, 2007, 10:40:50 AM
A History of Violence

WTF is wrong with you?

I thought it was decent. It would have been much better without William Hurt wolfing down ever bit of scenery he could get his hands on, but other than that, solid.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Rasix on March 07, 2007, 10:41:28 AM
A History of Violence

WTF is wrong with you?

I dunno, must have drank the same Cronenberg flavored Kool Aid everyone else did.  I thought the movie was pretty meh. Decent, just not worthy of the heaps of praise it gets.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 07, 2007, 10:43:10 AM
A History of Violence

WTF is wrong with you?

Nothing. Cronenberg kicks your ass.

[EDIT]

Yeah, fuck you too, Rasix.



Oh...What? Is there where I'm supposed to defend myself or something? Pfft.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Morfiend on March 07, 2007, 10:50:45 AM
That movie sucked so fucking badly. Oh my god. It was pure shit. The story was meh. The acting was meh. The only decent part of the movie was how they would just randomly throw in sex scenes. The bad guy at the end was laughable. The entire movie... could... have... taken... about... an... hour.... less.... if.... every.... one... didn't.... talk... like.... this.

Seriously, tell me what was good, or even decent in this movie?


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 07, 2007, 10:53:31 AM
Thank you.

It's what you should have said at first. Instead of making this about me.


I'll just cut it short. My reasons for liking it are for the exact opposite reasons that you said. Pretty simple.


And I thought William Hurt was great -- In an otherwise long string of meh performances.

[EDIT] Also, if you're looking for a story or something in a Cronenberg film, then you missed the point. He just makes portrait pieces.



Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Yegolev on March 07, 2007, 12:58:25 PM
El Espinazo del Diablo


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Fargull on March 07, 2007, 05:32:34 PM
If you have not seen Bound, get thy ass to the store and rent it.  Great mob flick.
Ray and Walk the Line were probably the last two great movies I have seen.  I am itching to go see Zodiac though.

If you can find it, this is one of the best and yet most overlooked horror flicks.
Scarecrows (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096046/)
Just really really fucking good.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Merusk on March 07, 2007, 07:51:09 PM
That movie sucked so fucking badly. Oh my god. It was pure shit. The story was meh. The acting was meh. The only decent part of the movie was how they would just randomly throw in sex scenes. The bad guy at the end was laughable. The entire movie... could... have... taken... about... an... hour.... less.... if.... every.... one... didn't.... talk... like.... this.

Seriously, tell me what was good, or even decent in this movie?

A movie is bad when you can't stop lauging at the "hero kicks ass" ending sequence.  It made a mediocre comedy, too.


I second Trippy's suggestions of Iron Monkey and Drunken Master, they were fun.

As to movies, I can make some decent family suggestions, but I cherry pick the stuff netflix and the guys here suggest.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Paelos on March 07, 2007, 09:57:22 PM
Yep, Cronenberg is a psycho. I've watched about 4 of his movies and they all have come off like he's trying to make an artistic point, but it's fails to achieve any sort of real poignancy. That, and some of movies just show how messed up his mind is, but not in a good way like Kubrick. He's basically trying too hard to be Kubrick.

ExistenZ was probably his best, imo. It was about games though so it sort of made more sense to me.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Dundee on March 07, 2007, 10:34:57 PM
Amelie (2001)
American Beauty (1999)
Blood Simple (1984)
The Boondock Saints (1999)
Bound (1996)
Crime Spree (2003)
The Devil's Backbone (2001)
Equilibrium (2002)
The Fisher King (1991)
Freeway (1996)
Go (1999)
In America (2002)
LA Story (1991)
Lawn Dogs (1997)
The Man Who Wasn't There (2001)
May (2003)
Memento (2000)
Miranda (2002)
The Salton Sea (2002)
Secretary (2002)
Sexy Beast (2001)
Snatch (2000)
The Station Agent (2003)
Suicide Kings (1997)
Swimming with Sharks (1994)

Also watch Unforgiven again, since it is the best movie ever made.



Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 07, 2007, 11:31:39 PM
He's basically trying too hard to be Kubrick.

Hate Cronenberg all you want, but at least say something that makes sense. Kubrick made two thriller and/or horror films that were nothing like Cronenberg films either in content or just sense of cinematographic scope. One was a Stephen King book and the other a study in dystopia and delinquency (which was a Burgess story, not Kubrick's).

Kubrick is also the guy who gave us Spartacus, Paths of Glory, 2001, and Barry Lyndon. A string of epic or period films that outnumber anything that dabbled with horror or psychosis. Cronenberg hasn't done anything resembling an epic.

Cronenberg has cited Samuel Beckett and William Burroughs as his main influences, and if you had firsthand familiarity with them, you would see that he's robbing them. Not Kubrick.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: ahoythematey on March 08, 2007, 02:22:07 AM
Eh...every aspiring and existing filmmaker would be wise to rob from the cinematic touches of Kubrick and Kurosawa.  Where they get the written material is a different matter.  Great artists steal and all that...

Fargull: Zodiac kind of bothered me, as it had a habit of setting up a laugh and then turning point and becoming very grisly.  Probably more of an aside about how disturbed I am or something, but all the same it affected me.  I enjoyed it regardless, but damn did it seem lengthy, and I love slow movies most times(4hour cuts get my rocks off).


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 08, 2007, 06:33:01 AM
Yep, Cronenberg is a psycho. I've watched about 4 of his movies and they all have come off like he's trying to make an artistic point, but it's fails to achieve any sort of real poignancy. That, and some of movies just show how messed up his mind is, but not in a good way like Kubrick. He's basically trying too hard to be Kubrick.

ExistenZ was probably his best, imo. It was about games though so it sort of made more sense to me.

You're shitting me right?

The Fly is a classic horror movie and like John Carpenter's The Thing, is a case of a remake that is far superior to the original.
Videodrome is almost prophetic in its underlying message and was way ahead of its time.
ExistenZ is basically Videodrome 2 and has a very similiar underlying message.
Scanners at least is a great guilty pleasure movie.
The Dead Zone is one of the better Stephen King adaptions out there.
Now through in Dead Ringers, Crash (for some people), and Spider and you have a man whose work is 100X more interesting and subversive than most film makers out there.

A History of Violence was ok. I found the story simplistic but that wasn't his fault. I also feel it was a commercial movie he made to finance more pet projects. I consider it disappointing by Cronenberg standards.

But seriously dude, if you don't recognize good film making when you see it just shut the fuck up and don't spout from your ass.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Ironwood on March 08, 2007, 06:35:48 AM
I liked A History of Violence.  Until this thread I neither knew nor cared that it was Cronenberg, a guy who's work gets a distinct 'meh' from me.

It was a good film which I really enjoyed.  Anything else is just dick-waving on teh net.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 08, 2007, 07:59:51 AM
Besides all this, some of you guys are treating this like I said the History of Violence was teh greatest movie ever or something. That original list I made (4 movies) were just a few recent films that I thought were good and that came off the top of my head. It wasn't my definitive best of list for all time or anything. So just chill out. Be happy that we're not all clones, and move on.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Paelos on March 08, 2007, 09:11:32 AM
Yep, Cronenberg is a psycho. I've watched about 4 of his movies and they all have come off like he's trying to make an artistic point, but it's fails to achieve any sort of real poignancy. That, and some of movies just show how messed up his mind is, but not in a good way like Kubrick. He's basically trying too hard to be Kubrick.

ExistenZ was probably his best, imo. It was about games though so it sort of made more sense to me.

You're shitting me right?

The Fly is a classic horror movie and like John Carpenter's The Thing, is a case of a remake that is far superior to the original.
Videodrome is almost prophetic in its underlying message and was way ahead of its time.
ExistenZ is basically Videodrome 2 and has a very similiar underlying message.
Scanners at least is a great guilty pleasure movie.
The Dead Zone is one of the better Stephen King adaptions out there.
Now through in Dead Ringers, Crash (for some people), and Spider and you have a man whose work is 100X more interesting and subversive than most film makers out there.

A History of Violence was ok. I found the story simplistic but that wasn't his fault. I also feel it was a commercial movie he made to finance more pet projects. I consider it disappointing by Cronenberg standards.

But seriously dude, if you don't recognize good film making when you see it just shut the fuck up and don't spout from your ass.

Never saw Videodrome, so I can't speak to it. I've seen Dead Zone, ExistenZ, Naked Lunch, and the Fly. You make a good point about the Fly, and I didn't really think about that at the time, but it is his most acclaimed film and won an Oscar for makeup or effects or something. I don't have the affinity for the film that some do, but that's a personal taste in genres.

Naked Lunch is ridiculously bizarre, and hardly anyone could argue that it's pretty perverted. I walked away thinking that the director was a sicko. It's that kind of stuff where I take the "he's a psycho" thing. Having read the Dead Zone by King, I absolutely hated what Cronenberg did with the adaptation, so we differ hugely there. It's like Cronenberg wanted to suck all the life out of the characters and leave a cold shell on the screen. It was terrible. Out of those 4, ExistenZ was the one I personally liked the best, and the one that sort of had me thinking about the movie later because I could actually relate to the material as a roleplaying gamer, and it made a decent point about virtual existances with newer technology.

Some people don't like certain styles, and I'm not really impressed with his pacing or his ability to tell a story. And before you get all hissyfit about stories, that's what a movie is to me. I don't go to the movies to see a fucking "portrait piece" or whatever artistic label they put on things that don't have descernable plotlines. I'm not an "art student" or even a cinema buff. Nor is the majority of the movie-going population. We simply like what we like and hate what we hate. I don't like weird for the sake of weird, and that was what I pulled from a few of his later films.

Anyway, he's a volatile guy as a director. There are few who are lukewarm on his work. He's either a complete genius or a complete nutball. To you, genius. To me, nutball.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: HaemishM on March 08, 2007, 09:19:10 AM
Naked Lunch is ridiculously bizarre, and hardly anyone could argue that it's pretty perverted. I walked away thinking that the director was a sicko.

Just a quibble, but Naked Lunch was based off of the book of the same name by William Burroughs. If you haven't read it, you should. The movie actually took maybe 15 or 20 pages from the book, and wrote a story around that, and if you read the book (or even a few pieces) you'll understand why. The book is written by a drug-addled dope fiend, writing while smashed, taking all the pieces and pages and tossing them in the air. Whatever way they land, that's how they got put together as a book. I thought the movie did quite well making a cogent story out of it, especially with the additional of biographical stuff put in to mirror the Beat Generation writers Burroughs, Kerouac and Ginsberg.

Yes, Cronenberg is sick and twisted, but not because of that movie. That's all Burroughs there, Cronenberg just gave it cinematic form. I'm not a huge fan of his stuff, but what he did with that work was pretty good.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Paelos on March 08, 2007, 09:22:38 AM
He's basically trying too hard to be Kubrick.

Hate Cronenberg all you want, but at least say something that makes sense. Kubrick made two thriller and/or horror films that were nothing like Cronenberg films either in content or just sense of cinematographic scope. One was a Stephen King book and the other a study in dystopia and delinquency (which was a Burgess story, not Kubrick's).

Kubrick is also the guy who gave us Spartacus, Paths of Glory, 2001, and Barry Lyndon. A string of epic or period films that outnumber anything that dabbled with horror or psychosis. Cronenberg hasn't done anything resembling an epic.

Cronenberg has cited Samuel Beckett and William Burroughs as his main influences, and if you had firsthand familiarity with them, you would see that he's robbing them. Not Kubrick.

All good points. I made the reference as an offhand remark and it's a stretch I admit. It's not a direct comparison of their work, just how one director has a bizarre vision and pulls it off, while another's vision falls flat on the screen. However, they do have a common link in that they both did King adaptations. Kubrick did The Shining. Cronenberg did The Dead Zone. One is considered to be among the best horror films of all-time. The other is The Dead Zone.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Paelos on March 08, 2007, 09:25:26 AM
Yes, Cronenberg is sick and twisted, but not because of that movie. That's all Burroughs there, Cronenberg just gave it cinematic form. I'm not a huge fan of his stuff, but what he did with that work was pretty good.

Yeah, I haven't read the book and it would probably give some perspective on the movie. But you still have to ask yourself why a director would choose such material in the first place?


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: HaemishM on March 08, 2007, 09:38:48 AM
Because he is a huge fan of William Burroughs.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 08, 2007, 09:47:29 AM
One is considered to be among the best horror films of all-time. The other is The Dead Zone.

Heh. Fair enough. Dead Zone isn't on my list of Cronenberg favorites.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 08, 2007, 12:02:50 PM
One is considered to be among the best horror films of all-time. The other is The Dead Zone.

Heh. Fair enough. Dead Zone isn't on my list of Cronenberg favorites.

Christopher Walken.

 I *pause* rest *pause* my *pause* case.

Damn his voice is impossible to do in text.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 08, 2007, 12:19:54 PM
Yeah, Chris Walken is a badass and all that, but that movie hasn't held up well for me. Besides that, it's just nothing typical of Cronenberg really.

[EDIT] Y'know, I'm wrong about that. It's actually very typical. He made the Dead Zone story touch upon all his usual themes (i.e. "body horror" -- metamorphosis, mutation, existentialism, struggling with identity/inner demons, etc..).

So I'll just say that I don't like it that much...Just because.  :-P I used to though.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Zetleft on March 08, 2007, 03:11:55 PM
In no particular order:
Jacbos Ladder
They Live - Get your bubblegum ready, its a damn classic
In The Mouth of Madness
The Madness of King George
Leon The Professional
Hard Boiled  /  The Killers  (John Woo at his best, before Hollywood got their hands on him)
True Romance
Night Watch (1st part of a Russian Trilogy, the next 2 are not available yet)
Once Upon a Time in the West
Better Off Dead
Dark City
Immortal Beloved
Chinatown
Brazil
Time Bandits
Evil Dead II
Highlander (there were no sequels in my mind)


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Furiously on March 08, 2007, 03:37:35 PM
Highlander (there were no sequels in my mind)

The version with the WWII flashbacks is such a more touching film.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Engels on March 08, 2007, 03:44:05 PM
El Espinazo del Diablo

Good flick. Its commonly called Devil's Backbone. Its Guillermo Del Toro's first really sucessful flick. He also wrote the screenplay for Hellboy and his latest directorial hit is Pan's Laberynth. He's sorta a latter day Cronenberg, but with talent.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 08, 2007, 03:52:30 PM
Huh? He's never done one thing that has touched upon Cronenberg's themes. If anything, Tsukamoto is the latter day Cronenberg.



Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 08, 2007, 03:58:00 PM
Huh? He's never done one thing that has touched upon Cronenberg's themes. If anything, Tsukamoto is the latter day Cronenberg.



I've noticed that people who don't like Cronenberg usually don't "get" his themes. His movies are his philosophy IMO.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 08, 2007, 04:11:38 PM
I don't even care if someone likes him or not. To each his own. I just wish they'd provide some better reasons. Saying Del Toro is Cronenberg with more talent doesn't even make sense. Del Toro is not body horror. Comparing him with Kubrick doesn't make sense either (at least not in any particular sense, even though Kubrick is very influential to everyone).

Want a post-Cronenberg film that outdoes Cronenberg himself? It's called Tetsuo.

Want a pre-Cronenberg film that outdoes Cronenberg himself? It's called Rosemary's Baby.


Any other suggestions are superficial at best (though another director who's hitting Cronenberg territory is Christophe Gans).

[EDIT]

I think the best example to illustrate the difference between him and Del Toro is.....Hellboy.

Decent flick and all, but the fact that he even picked a character like Hellboy for a comic based feature is something Cronenberg would never do. If Cronenberg made a superhero or comic based flick, he'd deal with someone who got their powers by mutation, debilitation, or invasion. And most especially, someone who's running away from those manifestations. Something along those lines. Say, Jesse Custer or the Hulk -- Those are Cronenberg heroes right there.

Hellboy, otoh, was born a demon. His story has nothing to do with metamorphosis, transformation, mind-against-body-body-against-mind, self inflicted turmoil, disease, or the like.

As for other things, Del Toro is only similar to Cronenberg in his ultra-realistic depiction of violence and mutiliation -- but that's only half of what Cronenberg is about.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Dundee on March 10, 2007, 03:11:25 AM
I have had Netflix for about 4 years now and I have honestly reached a point where I am having a hard time finding movies that I haven't seen that look good.

Does anyone have any good recommendations.


I mean I rented The Marine I need help people.

So I'm curious... assuming you're omitting the movies you've already seen, what's the final list of movies you took away from this thread?

Also, what have you learned about Cronenberg?



Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: schild on March 10, 2007, 05:52:26 AM
This thread needs more Neil LaBute.

Specifically:
In the Company of Men
The Shape of Things
Your Friends & Neighbors
Nurse Betty

In that order, ignore the rest of his work. It's total dick.

Jesus guys. Cronenberg and Kubrick in the same thread? Really? I'm surprised a wormhole didn't open and eat every last one of you. BTW, Stephen King adaptations? Stand by Me and Shawshank Redemption are better than The Shining. Also, when you talk about great Horror adaptations, you talk about Silence of the Lambs and Exorcist, and Ringu. It's hard to even put The Shining in there.

I'd like to add that Kubrick is my favorite director and Clockwork Orange is, in a vacuum, my favorite movie of all time. That's not to say I could watch it a thousand times (like The Rock or Shawshank), but it is my favorite movie. It pains me to say it, but The Shining is overrated. Way overrated. I think we should compare Paul Verhoeven to Kubrick now. Oh oh, and then we can do Wim Wenders.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 10, 2007, 08:07:10 AM
Just to mention, Cronenberg isn't even on my top 20 list of directors. He probably barely makes it at 50 even.

I was just trying to make sense out of the weird Kubrick and Del Toro comparisons.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Llava on March 10, 2007, 09:55:45 AM
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Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Sairon on March 11, 2007, 05:54:56 PM
I'l add a bunch I can think of from the top of my head.

Twin Warriors
The Shawshank Redemption
Matchstick Men
The Green Mile
Ben Hur
K-PAX
Roger Dodger
Lord of War


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: schild on March 11, 2007, 06:09:42 PM
K-PAX is a stretch. I put it in the same sort of schlocky guilty pleasure bin as Hearts in Atlantis.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Ironwood on March 12, 2007, 04:42:23 AM
K-Pax is wondrous.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Baldrake on March 12, 2007, 05:18:28 AM
I just remembered another "must see": Walk on Water (http://imdb.com/title/tt0352994/). It's an Israeli movie about a Mossad agent dealing with the inconsistencies of his hatred of Germans vs his own attitudes towards Palestinians. Very highly recommended. Just remember that I was one of the guys who loved "History of Violence."


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: schild on March 12, 2007, 05:39:56 AM
Speaking of Jews....

Everything is Illuminated was great.

I can't believe I didn't mention Walk on Water. Well played, Baldrake, well played.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Merusk on March 12, 2007, 10:06:08 AM
I tossed Invader Zim on my list and just got done watching the last disc.  Goddamn funny and bizarre cartoon.  I'll recommend that if you're man enough to admit to watching 'kiddie stuff.'


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Murgos on March 12, 2007, 11:23:20 AM
I saw The Salton Sea mentioned above.  It's a good choice for an overlooked movie that's worth watching.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Lt.Dan on March 12, 2007, 03:45:44 PM
K-PAX is a stretch. I put it in the same sort of schlocky guilty pleasure bin as Hearts in Atlantis.
When I read Hearts in Atlantis I was afeared that the old man was going to be a child molester.  I'd vacillate between "they'd never publish it if it was" and "welllll, it is Stephen King".


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Llava on March 12, 2007, 09:57:29 PM
I tossed Invader Zim on my list and just got done watching the last disc.  Goddamn funny and bizarre cartoon.  I'll recommend that if you're man enough to admit to watching 'kiddie stuff.'

I went to a meet and greet thing with Jhonen Vasquez where he was talking about his experience working on Zim, and a lot of the bizarre stuff makes sense when you understand the circumstances through which they arose.

For instance, if you remember the episode with Iggins, the kid who stole the last game console from Gaz, you may recall that he is defeated at the end of the episode when Gaz disconnects his elevator and causes it to crash.  At the very end, the camera returns to the pile of wreckage that buried Iggins, when he busts out and flies into the sky, accompanied by wailing guitar and a singer screaming "IGGIIIIINS!"

The reason for that last shot was that Nickelodeon demanded that they show that Iggins was alright.  It was a kids' show, they couldn't kill a character like that.  So they added that.  Jhonen's logic was, "He's better than okay.  He's superhuman!"

I asked him why the hell Nickelodeon thought, after reading Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, that he'd make a great children's cartoon.  He said it was very illustrative of the the entire ordeal.

Also, if you saw the Christmas episode, you might remember one of the kids asking the snowman a question like "What is Zim's motivation anyways?  Why does he want to conquer the world so badly?  What does he have to gain, or to lose?"  The snowman lifts the kid by the head and slides him underneath the bed.  That question was, word for word, what a Nickelodeon exec asked during one of the passes on that episode.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 13, 2007, 08:42:56 AM
Also, if you saw the Christmas episode, you might remember one of the kids asking the snowman a question like "What is Zim's motivation anyways?  Why does he want to conquer the world so badly?  What does he have to gain, or to lose?"  The snowman lifts the kid by the head and slides him underneath the bed.  That question was, word for word, what a Nickelodeon exec asked during one of the passes on that episode.

I'm not familiar with Invader Zim so ummm..why is this a bad question to ask?


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Llava on March 13, 2007, 09:14:14 AM
Because it's like asking what the Coyote's motivation is in trying to catch the Roadrunner.  What does he have to gain or to lose?


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Yegolev on March 13, 2007, 09:16:55 AM
It would suck out a lot of humor because, really, anyone other than Zim would have given up on the second episode.  Or the answer is a deep-seated inadequacy problem and an overpowering need for acceptance, but that doesn't usually make good comedy.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Ironwood on March 13, 2007, 09:26:01 AM
It's the same question as : The Brain wishes to take over the world.  Why ?

It's pointless.  The answer's 'because'.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Ironwood on March 13, 2007, 09:26:28 AM
Because it's like asking what the Coyote's motivation is in trying to catch the Roadrunner.  What does he have to gain or to lose?

What ?  It's not like that at all.  The Coyote is thin as hell :  He wants a meal.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: HaemishM on March 13, 2007, 09:27:26 AM
If you haven't watched Invader Zim, you should. It's really good.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Llava on March 13, 2007, 09:33:00 AM
Because it's like asking what the Coyote's motivation is in trying to catch the Roadrunner.  What does he have to gain or to lose?

What ?  It's not like that at all.  The Coyote is thin as hell :  He wants a meal.


There's an obvious answer for Zim, too.  He wants prestige in the Irkin army, he thinks that's the way to get it.  He doesn't know he's  a joke.  But he lives in a society where rank is determined by height, and he's shorter than everyone.

But you really don't have to keep hitting on that, it's simple enough that "because" is a suitable answer.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 13, 2007, 09:35:21 AM
It's the same question as : The Brain wishes to take over the world.  Why ?

It's pointless.  The answer's 'because'.

Cool enough. I didn't know how tongue in cheek the show was. This explains it. :)


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Sairon on March 23, 2007, 03:56:34 PM
Watched C.R.A.Z.Y (http://imdb.com/title/tt0401085/) the other day and thought it was a really good movie. Don't know exactly why though since I usualy don't like dramas of this kind.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: pxib on March 25, 2007, 12:37:39 PM
Somebody mentioned Night Watch (http://imdb.com/title/tt0403358/) already.

The trailer for Day Watch (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/daywatch/trailera/) is out.  :-D


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: HaemishM on March 26, 2007, 09:27:23 AM
Recently watched a movie that surprised the shit out of me. It was directed by Mario Van Peebles, which would normally relegate it to the shitheap. It's called BAAAADDAAAAAASSSSS!!! and it's about his dad trying to get his indy film produced and distributed. It's a shitton better than it has any right to be.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Bunk on March 26, 2007, 10:42:02 AM
So Rotten Tomatoes recently ran a special on the Top 100 worst rated movies of all time. Its kind of entertaining to see how many of them I actually bought the dvd for (three). Some things were obvious, like Uwe Boll having three movies in the top 35, but there were a few suprises, like having around ten movies rated lower than Battlefield Earth (one of the ones I own).

I'm sure Uwe considers it a victory that he didn't get first place (he got second).

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/features/special/2007/wotw/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/features/special/2007/wotw/)


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: HaemishM on March 26, 2007, 11:30:00 AM
Now see, I'd agree with them that Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever was the worst film ever made, but I'd actually rate Alone in the Dark better than both Bloodrayne and House of the Dead. For about 10-15 minutes, Boll had the beginnings of an almost mediocre movie. Then Tara Reid started talking and Steven Dorff showed up, and the vaccuous suck of Boll came to the fore. Neither Bloodrayne nor House had even 15-seconds of enjoyable or competent filmmaking.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 26, 2007, 11:33:59 AM
So Rotten Tomatoes recently ran a special on the Top 100 worst rated movies of all time. Its kind of entertaining to see how many of them I actually bought the dvd for (three). Some things were obvious, like Uwe Boll having three movies in the top 35, but there were a few suprises, like having around ten movies rated lower than Battlefield Earth (one of the ones I own).

I'm sure Uwe considers it a victory that he didn't get first place (he got second).

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/features/special/2007/wotw/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/features/special/2007/wotw/)


Whew...I have only seen The Whole Ten Yards, and was only tempted to see one or two others on that list. It seems that if your movie stars more than 1 of the following folks, it is probably doomed-

Freddie Prinze Jr
Heather Graham
Piper Perabo
Cedric The Entertainer
Selma Blair
Stephen Dorff
Stephen Rea
Cuba Gooding Jr.
Eddie Griffin
Tara Reid
Christopher Walken
Matthew Perry

All of the above were listed at least twice in the headliner credits. Not many surprises there other than the bottom two (who are generally regarded as decent actors).


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Yegolev on March 26, 2007, 01:17:24 PM
I'd toss in Tim Allen and his satanic cohort Martin Short, but yeah.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: HaemishM on March 26, 2007, 01:27:25 PM
Tim Allen was in Galaxy Quest. He may not be a great actor, but that was a great movie.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 26, 2007, 01:30:49 PM
I'd toss in Tim Allen and his satanic cohort Martin Short, but yeah.

I mistakenly deleted my post twice before finally getting a draft to work; Tim Allen was on the list and I omitted him. He is an assclown, and Galaxy Quest succeeded despite him, not because of him.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Johny Cee on March 26, 2007, 02:52:27 PM
Taken from the entry on "Zoom":

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Whatever the terms of the Faustian bargain Tim Allen seems to have made with the forces of darkness, they must have been satisfied with the release of "Zoom." Imagine, if you will, a "comedy" about youthful superheroes whose training is shepherded by a washed-up old character named Captain Zoom (played, with an appropriate lack of conviction, by Allen). Courteney Cox, who must have been tricked into the role, and Chevy Chase, who must have some horrendous gambling debts, are also inexplicably involved; the whole thing is set to grueling new songs from Smash Mouth, who had to have taken at least six days away from playing bar mitzvahs and supermarket grand openings to record the soundtrack.

I cracked up.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Paelos on March 26, 2007, 10:09:34 PM
Well, I just watched "Glory" from Netflix. How that didn't win Best Picture I'll never know. Hearts of stone.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: bhodi on March 27, 2007, 09:46:21 AM
What the fuck? I have a single movie page containing a two inch square piece of info that actually gets cut off on a x1600 display, with no skip functionality, so even if I didn't want to click the mouse button a hundred fucking times, I'd still have to travel through NINE GOD DAMNED PAGES to get to the top 10. Sorry, if you scroll ALL the way down, in small font at the bottom you can skip to the top 10. Christ.

(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6741/wtfmoviemo2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: HaemishM on March 27, 2007, 09:52:52 AM
Good web design is hard to find.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Ironwood on March 27, 2007, 10:01:44 AM
I'd toss in Tim Allen and his satanic cohort Martin Short, but yeah.

I mistakenly deleted my post twice before finally getting a draft to work; Tim Allen was on the list and I omitted him. He is an assclown, and Galaxy Quest succeeded despite him, not because of him.


Galaxy Quest succeeded due to Alan Rickman and Sigourney's Surprising Tits.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Bunk on March 27, 2007, 10:37:40 AM
Alan Rickman, Tony Shaloub, and the only performance outside of the Alien series by Weaver that didn't make me want to kill myself.

Saw Stanger than Fiction on the weekend. Quite suprising for a Ferrel movie, it was actually well acted and very entertaining. Top notch casting really helped, and even though it's a little bit chick flicky, Maggie Gylenhal's smile makes it worth while.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Yegolev on March 28, 2007, 10:15:16 AM
Tim Allen was in Galaxy Quest. He may not be a great actor, but that was a great movie.

Yeah, and Robin Williams was in The Fisher King.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on March 28, 2007, 11:42:44 AM
Somebody mentioned Night Watch (http://imdb.com/title/tt0403358/) already.

The trailer for Day Watch (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/daywatch/trailera/) is out.  :-D

Holy fuck, I want to see that!  I have to get Night Watch as well.  Yet another movie to help convince the husband I'm no where near normal, only socially functional.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Sky on March 28, 2007, 01:01:55 PM
Anyone mention Snatch yet? I like that one. Seen Blazing Saddles? Excalibur? How about Bikini Cavegirl? Ok, maybe not that last one. I don't watch many movies.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Murgos on March 28, 2007, 02:11:21 PM
In order of title length I recommend:

The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension.
Big trouble in Little China.
Flash Gordon.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 28, 2007, 02:24:56 PM
Heh. You should add Cherry 2000 and Superfuzz to that list (since you're going for corny 80's movies and all).  :-)


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 28, 2007, 02:59:18 PM
Hmmm...there were maybe 5 or 6 movies on that list I saw and kinda enjoyed. I guess that counters the film snob accusation tossed at me in the 300 thread.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 28, 2007, 03:28:21 PM
Hey, if you're a film snob, then be proud of it. Fuck 'em.
 


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Evil Elvis on March 28, 2007, 04:18:52 PM
Flash Gordon.

Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiivvveeee!


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Velorath on March 28, 2007, 06:12:20 PM
Somebody mentioned Night Watch (http://imdb.com/title/tt0403358/) already.

The trailer for Day Watch (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/daywatch/trailera/) is out.  :-D

As long as we're mentioning trailers here, the trailer for 28 Weeks Later (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_atomic/28weekslater/) has been out for a few days (my theater is showing it on all prints of The Hills Have Eyes 2).  I think the producers are the only ones returning from 28 Days Later.  Neither Danny Boyle nor any of the cast from the first movie are back for this one.  It does have Robert Carlyle in it though, which is a plus.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: schild on March 28, 2007, 09:30:46 PM
I think using different actors is the right move since the movie didn't need to be made.

Boyle is listed as executive producer. Meh. Glamour title.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: schild on March 28, 2007, 09:39:42 PM
http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony/paprika/trailer/

Goddddddddddddamn, he's getting better. This is a long way from Milennium Actress.

That's Ghibli-level awesome... with better character art.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: stray on March 29, 2007, 04:53:34 AM
I don't know about better character art, but that does look great.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: bhodi on April 04, 2007, 10:42:41 AM
Hey, a new Logan's Run (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070403/ennew_afp/entertainmentusfilm_070403202832).


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: HaemishM on April 04, 2007, 11:07:28 AM
Fuck. Logan's Run WAS silly, that was its charm. And we already had a remake, it was called the Island and it fucking sucked.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Numtini on April 04, 2007, 06:54:22 PM
Supposedly the Logans Run film is going to more closely follow the original novel, which I'm very fond of. It's not War and Peace, but it's a competent dystopian novel.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Ironwood on April 05, 2007, 01:23:32 AM
Fuck. Logan's Run WAS silly, that was its charm. And we already had a remake, it was called the Island and it fucking sucked.

You're not wrong.  However, perhaps the remake could have a digital young Jenny Agutter and Scarlet battling it out using only the power of teh hawt bods ?

No ?  Ok.


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: HaemishM on April 05, 2007, 07:50:52 AM
I'D BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!


Title: Re: A plea for Good Movies to watch.
Post by: Falconeer on April 05, 2007, 08:10:11 AM
Funny. I stumbled upon this about Logan's Run (http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/essays/logan.htm) just 30 minutes ago.

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Ah, I can't even remember the last time I did a kickarse article, but having watched 'Logan's Run' again last weekend, I felt I had to do one. If you're unfamiliar with the film, it's an unappreciated 1976 classic of science fiction starring Michael York and Jenny Agutter. I'll just translate that for the youth of today; It stars the bloke who plays 'Basil Exposition' in the Austin Powers films and some boobs.

So, why would living in the fictional society of Logan's Run kick fucking arse?

1. Hedonistic lifestyle

"Mankind lives only for pleasure," reads the little blurb at the beginning. "The only drawback is that you have to die at 30."

Suits me! Think about this, people. We're constantly told in boring women's magazines and Pepsi adverts that the average person spends 99.9% of their life doing stuff they hate, and only some really small amount of time having fun. So tell me, would you rather be bored for 80 years or having endless fun for 30? Let's face it, your life would have made exactly the same impact on the world either way, bitch bitch. But imagine being on holiday for your whole life! On holiday in some combination shopping mall / theme park / whore pit! Any time you feel like a good shag, just press a button and out pops a willing partner! The only drawback I can see with that is that you'll only be of the heterosexual age of consent for 14 of your thirty years, but then again, they probably don't police that sort of thing much.

2. No-one over thirty

Yeah, who needs a bunch of miserable old scrotes whining about their arthritis and how much their menopause hurts? At a stroke this society has eliminated undue expense on the care of the elderly and the universal embarrassment that comes out of the male mid-life crisis. Of course, you could argue that they'd be missing out on the wisdom and intelligence that comes with age, but who needs that when all you do all day is waste time, eat and fuck? Leave the young hipsters to their fun, oldies! Your place is at that weird ceremony where everyone wears Jason masks and gets randomly blown to bits. But if you really do selfishly think that you deserve to be inflicted on later generations, you could always make a run for it.

3. You could always make a run for it

One wonders why those future policeman are so successful in killing 'runners', when they collectively have the marksmanship of an avocado. With a little avocado hat. At the beginning of the film when Basil Exposition and his psycho mate are chasing that bloke, they keep missing and shooting the floor, before cornering the poor sod and shooting the wall behind him about six times before the guy dies of exasperation. Then, of course, when you're on the run, you have to throw in your lot with the Resistance, who will probably threaten you with long penis-shaped spears which spunk little puffs of smoke in your face. Then you have to get past that robot fuckwit... you know, perhaps death would be whole lot less complicated. More restful, too.

4. Everyone has to wear the same thing

At last! No more hours spent in front of the wardrobe trying to decide whether or not to go out in my trenchcoat! Everyone just wears the same fruity brightly-coloured garment depending on how old you are. Fashion arseholes would no longer exist! Fashion shows in which empty-headed blank-faced plastic-skinned models strut up and down wearing bits of cellophane and fur stapled together will be no more! And Calvin Klein! Calvin Klein will have to eat shit pie and like it! Any world in which shit pie passes the lips of Calvin Klein gets a thumbs up in my book.

5. No families

The concept of 'family' is eradicated; all children are raised by the state. What does this mean? Well, it means you have to cook your own turkey on Christmas day, but on the other hand, you don't have to buy anyone any presents.

6. Jenny Agutter's tits

Or as I like to call them, 'Percy' and 'Horace'.

WHY IT WOULDN'T KICK ARSE TO BE A CHARACTER IN THE FILM 'LOGAN'S RUN'

1. Dodgy programming

So, the master computer that runs the city assigns Basil Exposition to track down this 'sanctuary' place where all the over-30s have been running off to, then he comes back at the end and tells the computer that no such place exists, whereupon the computer crashes and the entire city explodes violently. You know, my old C64 used to do exactly the same thing, except it used the phrase 'Syntax Error' and DIDN'T cause any explosions whatsoever. You'd have thought by the year 2247 that computer programmers would have been able to faze out the 'blow up the world' error. Hey, maybe Bill Gates was the founder of this new society (nerd humour). Makes a change from the blue screen of death, I suppose (more nerd humour).

The article's author, by the way, is that Ben "Yathzee" Croshaw responsible for some of the best graphical Lucasfilm-like adventures (http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/games.htm) of the last 5 years (and they are all free).