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Shitty game

Shitty, shitty commercials.  Even Budweiser failed to produce.

And constantly reminded / beaten over the head with the fact it was two black head coaches.  You know what would be remarkable about that?  If noone fucking talked about it.  If noone cared.  Why does it have to be black coaches?  Why can't it just be....coaches.  The Colts aren't Tony Dungy.  The Bears aren't Lovie Smith. 

I wonder what is more racist:  Not caring that they are black, or beating it into everyone's heads that they ARE black.  Until the day noone cares about race or gender, anyone that talks about how big a deal it is is nothing more than a blatant racist, chauvinistic hypocrite.

Fuck YOU, Coca Cola...You just made a Pepsi drinker out of me.

I didn't watch it (my girlfriend was still pissed about the Saints not making it so we did other things) but the feedback I got from people at work was that it sucked, especially the commercials.

Who the fuck cares about this shit? Why? Nevermind, I didn't mean to bring the hate. It's a monday morning.

Lots of people.  And apparently you since you posted.

It matters less to me than if someone created a thread about how they had just clipped their toenails.

I thought it had some interesting moments.  Rhodes and Jones ran the ball well, Devin Hester's kickoff return, Hayden's interception return, and the slop created by the weather. It's pretty tough to have an entertaining Super Bowl when one of the teams is decidedly one-dimensional.  

Edit: I do agree that the black coach thing was overblown.  Both men are good coaches, why bring their race into it? 

The Blockbuster mouse ad was chuckle-worthy. The Bud Lite ones as a series were decent. I don't even remember the Coca-Cola one though my current favorite Coke ad is the one where that guy gives a bottle of Coke to that girl on the bench. The game itself was like Indy's previous two games where they basically played keep away from the opposing team's offensive chewing up huge chunks of time with long defense-sapping drives.

The first half was entertaining as hell to me.  Like playing a game of NFL Blitz.

As for commercials, fuck!  Only one I thought was good was the office supplies death match one in the Promotion Pit.  Don't even remember the company though, so failure as an ad.

Youtube has all of the superbowl ads HERE. (http://youtube.com/superbowl)

I laughed at the Sierra Mist one.

I think they brought race into it because it was a first.  Things like that are considered important milestones.  The football was okay but I didn't really watch the adverts much.  I do enjoy watching Peyton Manning play.  It's mostly good fun.  Prince, as expected, was a dramatic spectacle.  He can't do anything subtle, ever.  He'll never top Purple Rain, either.  Hate when he wears a do-rag, too.  It gives him weeble hair.

I liked the Ultraman ad and the Robert Goulet ad.

The race angle is newsworthy, but to use it to sell products (particularly ads that compare two black coaches in the SB to the Tuskegee Airmen, Rosa Parks and MLK, jr.) is disgusting.

That GM ad about the suicidal robot HAD to have been designed by Toyota or Ford.

As for the game, sloppy as hell.  But without the Pee-Wee league comedy it would have been something like 47-10, so I'll take sloppy and close for the SB.

I paused the DVR and played about a half hour of Thief 3 to let it queue up...so I could skip the commercials :)

I thought it was a good three quarters of football, and even the fourth started out decent. Rex had to start throwing long balls, and had the chance to be the comeback kid. Didn't, sealed the game, boring fourth quarter. I enjoyed the rest of the game, though as mentioned, it was Indy playing Indyball. Some great subtle Adai moves, Freeney unfortunately kept out of the game by being double-teamed.

I thought Prince was great. I really think he could've been the next Hendrix if he weren't so wrapped up in the pop stuff. He's got a better voice by far than Hendrix, and has great guitar chops when he actually plays. His guitars were /cranked/, you could hear his fingers sliding on the strings. Great stuff. I don't know if he was trying to play with a 'muscular' tone for the testosterone-friendly venue or if he was pissed playing in the rain, but it was great. That's the Prince I've been waiting to see for a long time, just cutting loose, playing easy and LOUD.

I did catch this ad earlier in the day...was that Grim Reaper playing at the end?

I don't know what crack pipe you haters picked up off the sidewalk, but the game was more exciting than most Superbowls and a lot of regular season games, too. Lots of turnovers makes for good football TV. Unlike in past years, there were no bad calls either. Sure, it was effectively over by the middle of the third quarter in hindsight, but it wasn't inconceivable that the Bears could score 14 points quickly given how they performed in the regular season. Indy's D was just on fire.  I was half-heartedly rooting for the Bears, if ti matters.

I also liked Prince's halftime show and I have channel-surfed away from that part for most of my adult life.

As for the ads, I didn't pay attention to most of them but the Snickers and rock-paper-scissors ads were funny.

Terrist!

I know jack about guitars, but it looked to me like Prince wasn't playing what I was hearing- as in, there'd be several new notes but he wouldn't strum or move his hands at all. 

The game was too damn sloppy.

This was the closest I have ever come to caring about football. The Bears totally shit the bed (sorry, Sauced, dear husband, but it's true). Well, Benson getting checked in the hip flexor wasn't his fault, but wtf was up with Grossman. Doughy little skinny-armed bitch fucked up not one, but two basic-est of basic pass-thingies because his widdle fingers was all wet! Oh, gosh it's all wainy and the ball is swippery! :cry: Go in a corner and cry more n00b. If I ever see that guy I'm finnuh kick him in the dick and throw him off a cliff for fucking my husband's dream.

btw ever hear of feedback.

I bolded that for you as it's the key reason this game sucked. Chicago showed absolutely no signs whatsoever of coming back in this game once they went into the locker room at the half.

Drive 1 - 5 plays: The first drive in the second half, after making two solid passes, Grossman runs backwards and falls over his own feet to lose 11 yards, and then proceeds to screw up the snap on the next play insuring a punt.
Drive 2 - 6 plays: They get the ball at the Indy 40, and they can barely go 15 yards in 6 plays after Rex tosses two incomplete passes. So they kick the FG.
Drive 3 - 4 plays: One good deep pass for 22 by Grossman to pick up a long first down, then on that first down play he throws one of the most horrible passes I've seen in a superbowl that floats up, gets intercepted, and gets run into the end zone for a TD.
Drive 4 - 4 plays: Two completions by Grossman to get a first down, and AGAIN he throws the interception on first down trying to force the ball.
Drive 5 - 8 plays started at the CHI 8: Terrible field position, but this was the most solid drive of the day, and it didn't even get past midfield. Grossman went 5/7 but they were mostly short dump passes for running gains. They still couldn't pick up a first down when they needed it. Game over.

There's nothing in there that showed any spark or chance on offense. The defense had the best shot to score some points, but they couldn't make up for Grossman's mistakes in their own territory. Hell they couldn't even run effectively against the worst running defense in the league when it mattered. It was a bad game where the competition folded up after Prince took the stage.

This was art. Well played, my lady.


I actually enjoyed this Superbowl more than most. The first quarter was an entertaining a quarter as I can remember, and the game was good until Grossman wrapped both hands around his throat (to the surprise of exactly no one). Prince's show was fantastic; first SB halftime show I have sat through and watched in literally decades. The ads were meh, but I did enjoy the office workers in the jungle and Connectile Dysfunction.

All in all, not a bad show. No more football until August. Fuck.

It was a good first half.  Grossman choked bad, but Chicago's D was flat.  If either of Rex or the D had played up to the game they had vs the Saints, the Bears could have won it.  Oh well, at least Hester got a good run in before Indy realized it couldn't kick to him.

February is Black History Month, you know.  Also, my wife once again missed out on placing a bet on the winner during the pre-season.

The first quarter and a half was exciting and fun to watch.  After that, when the Colts finally remembered they were at a football game and not a Manning dick-sucking contest the game wasn't entertaining anymore.

I liked the Bud Light "Rock-Paper-Scissors" ad and the Doritos contest winner and the Office-Jungle (was for Carreer Builder.com).  The rest were kind of "meh" but Goulet and Ultraman did give me a chuckle.   


Even if he wasn't playing live (which I think he was) he still put on a good show.   Not being a fan of Water+Electricity myself, I wouldn't blame him if he WASN'T playing in that mess.

The best part of Ultraman:

The wife and guests: "What is this supposed to be?"

Me: "Ultraman."

Them: "Who?"

Me: "Ultraman!"

*crickets*

Annual pointer to debunk the Super Bowl audience myth: article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/steve_rushin/02/03/rushin0206/).

In the UK and Australia it's a blip on the radar - one of those final-item-on-the-news "and we leave you tonight with ..." curiosities to say "those crazy Americans have gone nuts again over some weak sport where they use pads and helmets". Super Bowl is to the USA what Lineage is to Korea :)

keke

At least we didn't riot and kill any cops.

I don't think Australia has much football violence.  (although it pains me to say football and Australia in the same sentence  :-P)

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6394628,00.html

Another season ends and I'm mildly depressed and wondering why I give a shit.  So, all is back to normal in the universe. 

ps Fuck Rex Grossman.

You didn't lose money too, did you?

Nah.  Having money involved would have provided a valid reason to care!  I think when Voodoo sees me getting really upset, somewhere inside she's thinking maybe I just lost a lot of money.

(http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/hug.gif)  Don't be depressed.  You live in a pretty part of the country.  You just bought a house.  You have an awesomely cool wife who has kick ass feet and at least one incredible arm who can cook like a gourmet chef.  And you're as adorable as can be! 

I didn't watch the Superbowl. At all.

But thanks for the Youtube link; that's all I care about in the SB, and even then, these commercials sucked.

Awww, thanks.  I'll get over it.  Right, Way?

Sure. I should be done steaming any ice age now.

I'm glad to see others validating my view of the ads.  I was afraid my disappointment over the Bears poor play was coloring my view of the ads.

How did these guys not realize the ads sucked?

Too many "Yes Men"?

Being a Bears fan, I decided I wanted to put some money on the game. As I am not a regular sports better, I just went with our local lotto's sports betting thing. The simplest one they have requires you pick the winner of a minimum of two games. So, I figured I'd find a sure fire winner to go along with my pick of the bears.

I put $30 on the Bears winning, and the Pheonix Suns winning over Utah in Pheonix. I'm mean really, Pheonix won something like 17 out of thier last 18, right?

Sigh...

As an aside to you Pheonix guys - the Suns are the only team anyone in western Canada follows, thanks to Nash. He should grow back his hockey hair though.

Oh, and Robert Goulet spidermanning accross the ceiling nearly made pulled pork come out my nose.

THe wrong guy won in the promotion pit, I guess.

Prince used his left hand to hammer some notes (or whatever you call hammering on a guitar as opposed to a bass) so that is why you didn't see his right hand moving. Not sure if he was really playing or not, I'm sure there was at least a backup track they could patch in if trouble hit.

First half of the game was good. Game went as expected.

I hear that the NFL has black players now as well...

Superbowl ads peaked with cat herding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SmgLtg1Izw).  Since then, it's hard to care.

The game was fun until you realized there was no way in hell Rex could win it. Down one score, sure!  Down two.. umm.. no. 

I'm glad Peyton has a Superbowl ring now.  Having him on my Fantasy Football team for his 49 touchdown season was special.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMFHXcd0yQ

Well, that's not football and I  :heart: :heart: :heart: rugby.  My favourite team for ANYTHING is the All Blacks.  That might have something to do with the  HAKA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2HyZPuvD-A&mode=related&search=), though. 

The only serious sports violence Australia gets is when Croatian and Serbian teams play soccor against eachother.

Also, most of those tackles in that "Rugby" youtube were actually from LEAGUE. Get it right people.

Yeah, yeah, I know (being a NZer living in Australia - I should!) but there's a certain amount of spine-tingling that comes from watching big hits in Rugby League.  Plus it proves a point - pads are for marshmallows.

And just for Signe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD1_puuceg0

(music most definitely NSFW)

I watched it in an Irish Pub in Osaka at 8:30 in the fricken morning.  Watching the Superbowl with Japanese announcers made it a hell of a lot more humorous I must say ("Dan Marino San").  Especially when they would cut to their nerdy looking sideline guy to explain some aspect about the sport during lulls.  At first I was kind of let down they had no commercials at all (Not even Japanese commercials.  They just played the entire thing with no break at all, except for a news break during halftime before Prince came on), but after looking at youtube, looks like I didn’t miss much.  Game was lackluster, but it was still enjoyable, and we had that Pub completely packed with energetic fans wearing what ever Jerseys they had.  So it was a good atmosphere, especially when they started fumbling the ball left and right.

Listening to the Irish pub owner trying to explain in his very thick accent how football worked to one of his Japanese bartenders (who had an amazing rack for a Japanese chick I will add) was also a highlight.

Seriously, how many games does an average pro Rugby player play throughout their career?

The English rugby union league season runs for 22 matches, plus some number of knockout cup matches.

I'd guess over 12-15 seasons you could get up to somewhere north of 300 matches for a decent career without too many injuries.

Plus up to maybe 50 internationals if you are good enough.

The Super Bowl confuses me. Seriously any sporting event where people spend as much time looking forward to and discussing the adverts almost as much as the actual game is lack something of sporting appeal.

That said I don't begrudge people watching and enjoying it but I wonder how many people actually watch it because they enjoy it and how many watch it just because it's the 'Super Bowl'.

I don’t know, I think World Cup would be about 100 times more entertaining if they played hilarious commercials during the long sessions of grab ass in the middle of the field, and then just cut back in when they actually are doing something important near the goal.  :-P

But yeah, Super bowl gets a lot of views just for being the media extravaganza it is I think.  Football is insanely popular in America though, so much of it is genuinly warranted.  However, I’m sure it gets a lot of people like me that enjoy the sport, but don’t actually sit down to watch games that often unless they are important (Key playoff games for teams I like, or Super bowl).

I need to get myself transfered to Japan.

I need to get myself transferred to Japan.

What the hell.  I am a Bears Season Ticket Holder and I took it better than some of you.  It was a good game until the interception that was returned for a score.

I thought it was a decent, but not spectacular game. It played out EXACTLY as I expected, just like any other Indy victory this year. The Bears really shit the bed early though, and it started with coaching decisions. For some reason, on 2 straight 3 and out drives, they ran on first down, threw on second down and then with 3rd and long, they ran on 3rd down. Why? Had they just not watched Indy during the playoffs at ALL? Indy with Bob Sanders can stop the run. What it did was not only give Indy the ball back, adding more wear to the defense, but it kept Grossman from getting into any kind of rhythm. Even more, it made sure that Grossman knew his coaches had no confidence in him. So by the time he really has to make throws, he's shot. His head is fucked, his feet get happy and he starts chucking. Grossman didn't execute, but Lovie Smith and his O coordinator gave him no shot to win the game at all. They just decided to put the whole game on the defense. Indy wanted that to happen, because as the Ravens game showed, Indy can beat any defense given the chance. ANY DEFENSE. Chicago's D is not as good as the Ravens was. Their corners can't play physical man to man, and their scheme is not as confusing. Game over, Colts win. YAY!!!!

As for the ads, they were overall lackluster, with a few good ones. Budweiser, Careerbuilder and Coke all had the most memorable set of ads, with FedEx, Doritos and the Robert Goulet Emerald Nuts ads being good too. Nothing standout, though. ETrade had some good ones as well.

Prince kicked ass on the halftime show. It was easily the most entertaining halftime show ever. No sagging boobies needed. I'm pretty sure Prince was both playing and singing live, as there were pauses and guitar sounds that would not be made otherwise. If it wasn't live, it was a fantastic approximation. They should just let him do the show from now on, everyone else before him has sucked monkey ass.

What the hell was that monstrosity running around on stage in white spandex, white tank top, and white top hat???




There is no comparison between the contact in rugby and the contact in football.  None whatsoever.  I've played both (football for 12 years, rugby (http://www.battleshiprugby.com/) for 6 years).  I've never, ever been hit harder in rugby than when I was hit in football.  You don't have guys that weigh 250 lbs that run a 4.6 second 40 yard dash.  You don't have guys that weigh 200 lbs that run a sub 4.5 40.  That kind of mass moving at that rate of speed is going to do some serious damage to whatever it hits.  And that sort of contact happens on EVERY play.  Besides, nowadays, the only real padding the guys have is in their helmets.  Hardly anyone wears thigh pads, knee pads, and there is very little padding in the shoulder pads anymore.

I played football and rugby at the division I level and have to agree with this statement, at least in this country.  American football is significantly more brutal despite the presence of pads.  Stepping on the football field against Nebraska (at home) in the second game of my college career when they were ranked second in the nation was an experience in brutality the likes of which I've never again encountered in my life.   

TV doesn't do the absolute speed of football justice.  You have to see it first hand, ground level to really comprehend it.  It's like watching NASCAR or any other racing on TV; it seems to slow waaaaaay down.

 

I use to go to their matches, I'll have to make time to go again.

I'm not sure I understand the discussion of "rugby" in this thread. Most people seem to be talking about Rugby Union, which is a different game from Rugby League. The video posted was of Rugby League tackles, which tend to be more brutal. Then we have people who have played Rugby Union posting their opinions about "rugby" being not as brutal as American Football.

Traditionally, Union is known as Rugby and has the favour of upper social classes - private schools, conservatives, etc. League is a hard-hitting working class game, kind of a crash-or-crash-through gladiator contest. League is popular in northern England, eastern Australia and the Pacific islands. It's glitzy, commercial and lucrative at club level. Union is popular in more places, including those where League is played. Union has more amateur players, but its pro international matches are much bigger than League.

Their different rulesets produce totally different approaches to gaining ground and dealing with breaks in play, which produces a more brutal result in League. In League, you're tackling to stop the player, so they are ruled "held", producing a break in play (and if this happens six times, the ball is handed over to the opposing team). In Union, you're tackling to interrupt and delay progress, but there is no break in play from a tackle unless the ball was lost forward, forced out of bounds, or cannot be reached under the bodies. So in the Rugby League video linked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMFHXcd0yQ), you're looking at players trying to take each other out of play, whereas in Rugby Union, less is needed from a tackle. It's still the same physical process, but need not be as brutal.

Having breaks sounds like it'd less brutal not more.

Union is more athletic thanks to less breaks but because the aim is to make the other side lose posession or simply stop progress towards your goal line, the tackles needed are far less hard. You just need to bring the man with the ball to the ground, not pound him into it so tackles aren't aimed at taking them out.

The breaks are what gives the enormous forward players time to catch up with you. And by break, it's basically 2 seconds to get off the floor and pass backward, it's not like the sort of field reset you have between 1st and 2nd down in NFL.

If you are playing as a back you really don't want forwards catching up with you. For one thing, being an ugly fucker might turn out to be contagious.

I'm probably using the wrong terminology, but my feeble attempt to translate to Gridiron Football would be, Forwards = Tackles, Backs = Wide Recievers.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/ap_en_mu/prince_super_bowl

If only.  Le sigh.

It's been too long out of the limelight for these people, they're getting desperate.

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There aren't words for how close I am to snapping after reading that Yahoo thing. How the fuck does the press get off even covering such nonsense. They should be ashamed.

ASHAMED.

"questioning whether a guitar was just a guitar..."

HEY, FUCK YOU.

Things like that make me want to be a 'journalist' and just come up with the most stupid polarizing shit I can conceive to assure I show up in the 'news' often.

Are cats telepathic? Are they beaming your thoughts to Al Kaida RIGHT NOW?! Stay tuned and find out. Now a word from The Gap.

Last year, on another forum,  I think i said something like wtf? dont you switch over or make a cup of tea or something during the ads?  and got shot down as its ingrained in American culture and tradition or something.

Pretty sad when all you can put on a plate with regards to your countries culture and tradition is some adverts. Wordsworth, Shakespeare, Beethoven, Van Gogh and Wagner must be shaking in their boots. 

Marketing types have it so easy in the states, I never seen so many people who get upset when you mention you hate ads and marketing, or a good percentage population so receptive they actually want this shit shovelled down their throats 24/7 and flame the hell out of you when you suggest that perhaps you don't want the hard sell integrated into every aspect of your life (BF2142 for teh win)

(no, the cynics and haters on f13 dont really count in the above statement)

I love Superbowl ads, but they'll never make me buy anything. In fact, if an ad is so good that it makes me want to buy something, I generally say "Oh man, they totally deserve me buying one bottle of Sprite, that was money well spent." This is one of the many reasons ads on websites don't really bother me. I truly, badly want to meet people who are effected by advertisements they see to the point that they change buying habits. I can only assume they're terribly dimwitted.

The US is the land of conspicuous consumption and it's hard to conspicuously consume if we aren't being bombarded with advertising.

Where the fuck did that come from?  That's like me saying soccer hooliganism is the pinnacle of British culture.  Fuck off.   

C'mon, now.

Hey, I can personally list a whole bunch of renowned American artists, authors and composers, as well as the reasons behind Thanksgiving Day and the like, therefore I wouldnt be defending the watching of some adverts as a The Great American Tradition, and a cultural icon.

I'm pretty sure watching adverts and discussing how great they were wasnt a yearly event for the Pilgrim Fathers.

Meh.  You're talking about a distinction between highbrow and lowbrow.  That distinction, IMO, is pretty silly anyway.  In his day, Shakespeare was like George Lucas or John Grisham or [insert popular culture person here].  His work was decidedly lowbrow, to the point of making dick and fart jokes.  It is in the years since he was alive that he has really been canonized and elevated to highbrow status in the eyes of most culture snobs.  Sure, ads aren't Twain or Georgia O'Keefe or Scott Joplin or whatever, but they're certainly art of some kind.  Heck, people (including my mom) collect old-timey ads for all manner of snake oil and products and whatnot.  The packaging on products used to kick ass.  It doesn't preclude enjoyment of other U.S. cultural achievements.  The U.S. is also built on the idea of advertising and products and "Making it" by having a good product and selling it for scads of cash.  Clever adverts may not be the pinnacle of cultural achievement, but I can see why some people would be fond of them.

Something your great-grandfather, grandfather, and possibly father didn't do shouldn't be defined as a tradition nor triumphed as one. That was the point I was trying to make. Judging advertising in a historical context or exploring its merits as a niche artform wasn't the reason I was flamed for saying I don't like or watch adverts (and didn't want them in games). The highbrow-lowbrow thing might have thrown it a bit, I admit.

You definition of "tradition" is extremely narrow, and imo not adequate to capture the essence of what it truly represents. Traditions don't have to cross family lines, and they have to start somewhere.

IMO, the whole highbrow-lowbrow thing is a function of time, too.  That's why I used Shakespeare as an example.  We're a pretty young country.  For us, Friday night high school football is a tradition.  Stuff that's been happening for the last forty years?  Why not?  That's like what...close to twenty percent of the nation's existence? 

I think you mean "your country's culture."

Lets see - all of the examples you gave are European. I'm sure that Mark Twain and Hemmingway are both getting a good laugh however.

When it comes to the Super Bowl from year to year, usually I think that the commercials are much more entertaining than the game itself.  This year was an exception -- I thought it was a really good, exciting, entertaining game... but the commercials sucked balls.

  /shrug

Longfellow, Thoreau, Verne, Gershwin, Kerouac, Pollock, Warhol, Frank Lloyd Wright and etc.  You should work on that Euro-centric myopia.  Something doesn't have to be 300 years old to have affected the culture and traditions of the entire world.

Hemingway, Ansel Adams, Me, Henry James, Robert Maplethorpe...  We got lots!

(did you notice how I sneaked me in there so artfully?)

I met Jordan Mozer in Chicago a couple weeks ago.  I was near a Frank Lloyd Wright display, interestingly enough.

By the way, FLW is as famous as he is mostly due to his self-promotion... you might even say advertising.

Ever see a building described as an Open Plan?  You're probably living in one.  Sure his fame was from self promotion, his ideas are quite widely adopted though.

GIT'R DONE!

I don't care who you are, that's funny.

You are correct, of course, and I probably am.  My wife, who designed our house, is a big fan of Arts and Crafts style and loves a lot of FLW's work, even though she knows he is famous mostly due to shameless self-promotion.  Sort of like Michael Graves.

Wright was a very, very interesting guy.  The building you were living in was his.  It didn't matter that you paid for it, owned the deed and paid the taxes on it.  That fucker was his, and if he came over to find you'd moved something out of place, he'd move it back.  You hung up a picture? It came down.  You're 6'3? Fuck you he's 5'7 and designing around that.

Graves I like simply because of his opinion on his pre-master college. (Which happens to be the same as mine.)  For the longest time he'd actually deny ever having been to DAAP.  I can't say I blame him.   It's funny to watch Ghery in the one Simpsons episode because if I expected anyone would whore himself out like that it would have been Graves.

Have these dumb fuckers NEVER SEEN PRINCE PLAY BEFORE? For fuck's sake is right. The man practically invented the guitar as phallus imagery, and even then, so what? Prince has been known for 20 years to be a "dirty-minded" motherfucker, which is why I was surprised he was playing the Super Bowl. Honestly, if Prince's penis guitar is the worst thing you can say about the show, you need to get over it.

 spelling flames :heart:

I think the Graves industrial design that was all over Target (?) a while back was pretty whorey, so yeah.  I'm not a big fan of everything looking like an egg, either, so maybe I'm biased.  Hell, I'm not attacking these guys, in that line of work you have to whore yourself to rise to that level or spend eternity drawing warehouses.  So good for them.

Hey, maybe we can start talking about Stephen Hawking now, since I'm conversing about overpromoted people in fields that I have only a cursory understanding of.  I'm shocked I have not made a huge ass out of myself by now.  Er, wait... this is the Superbowl thread.

It's like an internet law or something:

It is impossible to correct another persons grammar and/or spelling on the internet without you yourself using incorrect grammar/or spelling.  Usually far more obviously than the original infraction.

I think it is the law of conservation of stupidity  :evil: