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Well im starting this thread now but hopefully someone will see the movie andpost before saturday, i really was looking forward to this movie but the more i hear, the more i dont like.  as in pq-13 and all that, does anyone know of any redeeming qualities this movie might have?

It has an expeditionary force that thought ahead and brough fully automatic weapons and tons of ammo on an archaeological find in arntartica.  Isn't that enough internal logic to reccomend the movie?

The movie will probably suck huge amounts of ass.  I will also probably see it as a matinee this weekend.  God save me.

Then again maybe everything will be flooded here in Florieda and god WILL save me.

Aliens. And Predators.

I predict it will make it's Sci Fi channel debut this fall.

(http://www.eonline.com/Features/Features/Schwarzenegger/Strongman/Images/aw.batman.jpg)

Arntartica ees going to go crrrazy because dey know I am herrre to keek some serious butt. Ven dey start trying to poosh me around I vill poosh bahck.

I've seen a lot bad reviews, and the only good one I saw said it was basically shit too.

That would have to be my favorite quote from early views of AVP.

The fact that Preditors are hunting in Antarctica pisses me off.  Not to complain about 'canon' or anything, but all the movies specify how they always hunt where it's hot.

If you offer a clip of your movie I would think it would be because you thought it made it look cool.  Is this clip as stupid looking as it appears to be?  Looks like a bad Saturday morning cartoon.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/clips/clips_fight_large.html

Ok, I just got out of a screening of the movie.  In all honesty, I liked it.  Sure, I went in expecting an acton packed slug fest between Big Ugly Predators (and FUCK are they big), and Big Ugly Aliens, and thats what I got.

Having seen two Predators movies, and at the first two Aliens movies, I would say it was better then both sequels, but probably not as good as either origional.

(and for GODS sakes, what is it with you people and expecitng something like this to have some kind of oscar winning plot?  Shit is supposed to go BOOM and fucking worms with teath are supposed to bust out of peoples chests, you arent supposed to argue semantics about how a team of 8 explorers manage to provied enough body mass to grow a fucking ARMY of giant space monsters that are each two times their body mass in under 6 hours)

And what the HELL gives you the idea that Preadators always fight where its hot?!  They are galactic sports hunters....they hunt ANYWHERE they can find good prey (point in fact, wasnt the second movie staged in a city like L.A.?), or in this case, in a facility of their own making DESIGNED to breed Xenomorphs when they want something nasty to shoot.



They never really do explain why the exploration team had weapons, but rest assured, it isnt quite as bad you make it out to sound.  Besides, the humans need SOMETHING to at least make us think they stand a chance when the main players show up (what, you thought this movie was about the Exploration team?!) (and for all the good it does them, they might as well have had pellet guns)

I'm thinking that with a name like "Alien vs Predator" the one entity guaranteed *not* to win is "viewer". I could be wrong.

Better than Aliens?  Wha?


I'll just back away from the potential nerd fight.

Err, sorry, my bad (I meant to include Alien and Aliens as being better, it is the third one (aliens II? the name escapes me) that I was thinking about (I wrote that at like 2 am after biking home, so I was somewhat tired))

That's why the predator heals in a meat locker in Predator 2 - because it's hot, am i rite?

Oh I am very afraid but I plan to see this at a an early showing tomorrow afternoon. It probably sucks but many people hated predator 2 and frankly I kinda liked it.

Then again I chose to go see house of the dead of my own free will so I am a sick sick man.

kaid

Oh on the heat thing. The reason why people mention that is in the first and second predator movie it mentiones that the predators mainly due their hunts during extremly hot times. Its not that they can't handle cold but it just appears they prefer it to be a bit on the toasty side.


kaid

Eats in the meat locker.  That's why Gary Busey's character was trying to kill it using that stupid fog machine.

I'm gonna dig up the movie and watch it again. I'm 100% sure Busey says they track him back there every night because he rests and has his meals there.

Call me crazy, but if I had the ability to see people using their heat signature, I'd probably try to avoid fighting in hot areas. Fighting in the cold = a greater contrast between your prey and the suurounding area.

Maybe they only hunt humans in warm weather, because they are trying to give themselves a bit of a challenge. If the films are any indication, it would seem that the Aliens are a better adversary for them than b-movie actors and future governors (i.e. Ventura and Schwarzenegger).

Bring the noise.
Cheers............

Or the LAPD for that matter.

I want to see this movie purely as a popcorn flick, but damn, that did look like shit. The Predator was fucking HUGE in that clip, and I've never really seen them as being that big. Something about that whole fight seemed totally wrong to me.

It gets worse (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/clips/clips_faceoff_large.html). New clip just released called "Face Off" where the Predators face off against the humans.

Ugggh.

Fuck, and I was about to say - at least the original clip didn't have any humans in it. Meh.

That girl would be so dead from being Predator punted.  Oh and why must they insist on including that stupid tongue with the mouth on it?

Because it was one of the signature sights and sounds of the Alien franchise, perhaps?

Kind of like asking why they have to give all those predators dreadlocks, and the ability to turn invisible and stuff. Or for that matter, why Freddy always has those knife-fingers, why Jason always wears that hockey mask, or why all those Jedi have to use lightsabers.

Bring the noise.
Cheers.............

I just saw it, but only because somebody paid my way in. I think I got my money's worth :) It wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be (Not great or anything, on par with Alien 3 but not 4, and definitely better than Freddy vs Jason. Of course, none of that is saying much).

The storyline and time/setting should have been different, but it was a decent way to include humans into the mix. I would have preferred something more futuristic. The fights were entertaining enough, and I learned a few new things about Predators. The sad thing is, there's only one small factor that makes Aliens vs Predators an even fight, but I won't spell it out. Though it's pretty obvious if you think about it.

Rental worthy.

That stupid tongue didn't show up until movie 2 or 3.  It was stupid then, and it's stupid now.  Unless the Aliens reproduce by fission that begins in the tongue, which we know they don't, then it's fucking stupid and should have been ignored.

Kevin Hall, the actor who played the original Predator was 7'2" (I'm sure this is old news, but he was also "Harry" from "Harry and the Hendersons" too). They're pretty much the same size in this one, give or take. I suppose that most of the guys in the original were at least 6' and pretty big themselves, most of the shots were stealth or fast paced action, so it may not have been as noticable.

What surprised me was how big an Alien Queen can be (25'-30' feet maybe).



It was in 2. Stupid maybe. Signature, yes.

The tongue was in the first movie.   As I recall it wasn't as obvious as they made it later but it was there.  Seems like there is a shot in there of the alien bashing through the top of someone's skull with it.  It was yet another reason the first movie freaked me out so much.  I kept wondering if that was what I had seen but wasn't sure until I saw a model in the local gaming store and it had the tongue.

Yes, the inner mouth is in the first movie. Not only during a kill, but when it "wakes up" in the escape shuttle. It's a very obvious part of the Aliens in ALL the movies.

Ah, the inner mouth.  I wondered what the fuck this 'tongue' thing was you were talking about.

So, are you saying it is better than Aliens 4, or worse. Cause if its any thing like that steaming pile. Count me out. I enjoyed Preditor 2, a lot. Maybe it was that I was young.

On the heat thing:

In the second Preditor, they should a little bit of the preditors hunting history on earth, and they say that historically they only come to earth during a heatwave.

Predators only hunt in hot climates. That's why they're allready legendary in the southamerican jungle in the first movie and why the second movie spends time in the beginning showing us LA sweltering in a record breaking heatwave in the second (which I actually preferred story- and settingwise... it had other flaws though).

The "stupid" inner mouth was a H.R. Giger invention from the original design from the first movie. And he was always about phallic and scary over 'making biological sense'.

And the movie Aliens as well as some of the Dark Horse Aliens/Predator/AvP comics proved that it was possible to make something more than just action/horror/slugfest with the premise. Afterall both original movies was just clever takes on old clichés (Alien was a haunted house in space with the gothic mansion replaces by an - implausible - gothic spaceship and the ghost/stalker replaced with a clever xenomorph.)

Aliens was the pinnacle and this looks like it will make Alien 4 look clever. Sad really.

Alien was a haunted house movie in space.

Aliens kicked ass.

Alien 3 tried too hard.

Alien 4 was one of the most dissapointing movies I've seen. (Horrible direction, stick to your French faux art stuff thanks)
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Anyone read the AvP Darkhorse comics? I have the first issue in a box someplace at home.

No better or worse, I guess. AvP's plot isn't as ridiculous, so in some ways it was better. I happen to think Alien 3 is the really bad one, worst than 4 (but that could also be because I can sit through just about anything with Winona Ryder in it).

Alien 3 is just boring, and lacks much of the suspence or fun that could at the very least make it a good, mindless, action film. Alien 4 has Ron Perlman.

Also, I haven't had high expectations for these films since Alien 3, I'm not a big fan of the franchises or anything, so take that as you will. AvP is entertaining, but that's about it.

Good stuff.  Predators drop some eggs on a planet that has xenocattle for them to incubate in.  Sadly the planet has been colonized by humans and what should have been an isolated Alien infestation grows when the infected herd is taken to a central town and a few thousand xenocattle get infected.

Nice story, well drawn.

I wasn't thinking he was tall so much as the one in the clip I linked was THICK. He was built like a brick shithouse, whereas my memory of the first Predator movie was that the Predator was more wiry; muscular, but not bulky muscular.

Well, they are an ENTIRE RACE of galactic sports hunters.  Wouldnt be terribly surprising if some of them are built like Bruce Lee, and some like Ahnold.

Fucks sake.

All you have to do to make an alien or predator film is put an alien or a predator in an enclosed location with some soldiers who are not each dressed in a different primary colour for easy identification. Hire a half decent writer, and make it night time.

Why these fuckers insist on overreaching with some unecessary dumbass concept I'll never know.

Bastards.

"Aliens 6 - This time it's in the Epsilon Quadrant, we have really big guns, and it doesn't feature any Weaver females or video game crossover directors - also we promise not to use that crappy blue straight-to-video specular lighting designed to hide cheap sets"

Would get my entrance money every time.

Thought it was a decent flick.  The whole temple thing was too childish for me.  Like something a 12 year old would write into his 'waycool' story.  I would have preferred a more believable setting.  I thought the movie was fun though.  Worth the ticket to get in.  As mentioned in another thread my appreciation could be tied to not having any power due to hurricane charlie so the alternative was to bake inside my apartment and generally despise life.

Well, I just saw it tonight.  It wasn't a bad movie per se... I mean, it wasn't Alien 3 bad... but it was,  for lack of a better word, boring.  It had none of the dramatic tension of the other movies, and the pulse-pounding action gave me more of a headache than a heart attack.

There are only three big action sequences (with a few other minor and brief ones), and of those only the first one is really "cool".  The plot was fine but rather haphazardly executed, with a big infodump in the middle of the movie to catch any of the stupid memebers of the audience up to speed.

There are several logical questions/inconsistencies that are evident, but they are all relatively minor to the central theme of the piece.  Ultimately I think AvP is worthy of a place in Aliens cannon (as opposed to, say, 3 and maybe 4), but it just didn't make a very good movie.  The script had some very bad dialogue; thankfully there wasn't much of it.  Their are several "homages" to the Alien (and Predator) movies, which are cool.  And the ending makes more sense when you consider that such a possibility was originally envisioned as a possible explanation for how an alien got on board the dropshop in-between Aliens and Alien 3.

Bruce

 They do. The old guy (played by Lance Henriksen) is the first one to notice the heat signatures given off by the place in the Antartic. He was concerned about other expeditions coming after him, and taking the glory from him and his expedition. He 100% formed, and funded, and prepared the entire expedition. It was him who thought up bringing the light weapons, and heavy weapons. The Black British guy turned out to be a special military ops guy. Remember when he said "Time to drop the ruse"? And then he and the other guys whip out their big heavy guns? It just ended up that they found out they had to use the guns on something else instead of other human expeditions trying to steal their glory.


 There were roughly 50 Humans total. Did the Predators bring down the shipmen and Drillers, the humans they slaughtered on the surface? (Maybe off camera?) It is possible. The first 2 Predators calmly walk by the 1 surviving human shipman from the surface.

 I am sure there were more than 8 humans in the expedition that went into the temple. (I saw AvP twice, for free each time. But never took time to count how many were in the expedition.)

 The storyline in the movie makes it plain that the entire reason for the Aliens being there was intentional to the point that they were throughly tampered with. The Queen being forced to make eggs. The Queen being strapped in, and hooked up, 100% perfectly according to a strict design by the Predators. It is also made plain she was very genetically enhanced - she is far, far, far, bigger than the Queens in the past Alien movies. Her offspring could likely be genetically enhanced to grow super-quick. Producing an Alien in a few hours after a Human gets infested.



 In this new movie, AvP, it shows that the Predators have multiple levels of vision. Infared, X-Ray, blue light, gama-ray, and more. One scene shows a Predator cycling through the different viewfinders he has.

 And yes, the Aliens are an ultimate prey compared to the pesky Humans. Watch AvP to see what the Humans originally were reguarded as to the Predators. Theoretically, in a fight of an Alien vs a Predator, and Alien will win. They are faster, have acid that goes through even Predator armor instantly, and are just a physically strong ... possibly even stronger since an Alien can lift up a huge Predator with just its tale, using no effort. Without their nuke-plasma-shoulder launcher a Predator is helpless vs an Alien. Which the movie showed when the Predators were chasing the Humans to get their shoulder launchers.

 Queen Alien wins vs everyone in a fight. The movie would have been 100 times better if the Queen showed up after the head Predator and his followers came outside the ship. The Queen vs 10 Predators at the same time! That would have been some action! She's trying to get off Antartica, they spot her, and then try to kill her to stop her. ALL the humans are dead. The Predators ignore Sanaa Lathan as she freezes to death in 10 seconds after she takes off her jacket and is in her T-Shirt.


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 Overall AvP was an OK movie. Better than the last Alien Resurrection movie, but not better than the first Predator movie, nor the first two Alien movies. The F/X were nice. The plot was nice. The storyline was nice.

 Take out the character of the lead woman and her uber-feminist-feminazi attitude (played by Sanaa Lathan) and the movie goes from OK to being Excellent. Take out the rest of the human characters, except for the old guy, the black British guy (played by Colin Salmon ), and the Italian guy (played by Raoul Bova), and AvP goes from being Excellent to being a CLASSIC Sci-Fi movie.

 The character played by Sanaa Lathan nearly destroys the entire AvP movie. When she started bossing the Predator around I and the audiance groaned. Then they bring AvP down another level by showing a scene straight out of the recent Batman and Robin movie, of them running together side by side... just like in the old 1960's Batman TV show. AvP is not ment to be campy, silly, or for little kids. It's too obvious some Hollywood exec put his out of touch paws on this movie. But like I said, if one can ignore every scene with Sanaa Lathan, then this movie is Nice!

 Some other horrible discrepencies:

 - EVERYONE, the expedition, the shipmen, the drillers, all witness for a fact that some hours earlier the ground was solid ice over 2,000 feet thick. (Close to a half mile thick). Suddently, and instantly, without any major sound, a 2,000 foot deep pit/abyss appears in the ice? Drilled by unknown technology? Instantly drilled in seconds? And they see no sign of whatever machine, person, thing, made it? It's like you walking along looking behind you, you see nothing. You look behind you and suddently see a footprint 10 feet long. You would get the heck out of there, or start being ultra-careful. All the Humans keep on acting like there is nothing to worry about after seeing that impossible thing happen.

 - In real life every goverment on the planet would have noticed the heat signatures from the new place in the antartic. Even if their expediton got there first, other expeditions would have been on their tails, arriving right after them, or same time as them.

 - Sanaa Lathan running around in the Antartic in her T-Shirt.
 
 - The Queen Alien has 4 arms with claws, plus a huge tail with a point on the end, and is roughly 60 feet tall, weighs (15,000lbs?) aka enough to knock over buildings as if they are made of paper.... and LOSES a tug of war vs..... 1 Predator that is roughly 15 feet tall, weights roughly 1,500 lbs, has claws on 2 feet, who is being helped by a human female in her T-Shirt, who weighs roughly 130lbs, and is roughly 5 feet 7 inches tall with no claws. And the tug of war takes place on ice and snow too!

 - Sanaa Lathan running around in the Antartic in her T-Shirt.

 - Sanaa Lathan bosses everyone around. Even after it is obvious the situation for the humans has changed and her expertise is no longer right for the current situation. When Colin Salmon says "Time to DROP the RUSE!" and whips out his huge gun along with all the others whipping out their guns. And Sanna Lathan says one of many of her dumbest lines in the entire movie.

 - Sanaa Lathan running around in the Antartic in her T-Shirt.

  - Sanaa Lathan is suppose to be an expert wilderness survivalists with "7 seasons". 7 years? Any expert would stick to the decision she first made to NOT go. Especially after she learned everyone else had zero experience surviving in the wilderness. And now go into the worse, harshest wilderness on the entire planet, with a bunch of rag-tag, green, zero experienced people?!? She "acts like a sterotypical woman" and falls for the line from the Italian guy "we can't survive without you". LOL!

  - Why the heck did the Queen Alien, after escaping her prision of 1,000 to 2,000 to 5,000 to 10,000 years, decide to go chase after that 1 surviving Predator and 1 surviving little human? Why didn't the Queen, who showed she was very intelligent, instead just run off? (I know, I know... because then everyone else on Earth would have died LOL! Well... if the Queen starts with Hollywood first then maybe that would be ok! Kill the Hollywood exec who tried to mess up AvP by putting in Sanaa Lathan, and her character.


 Sigurney Weaver was not the hero or even star of the first Alien movie. (At that point in time she had virtually no acting career or credits. Compare to Skerrit who had a very long and noteworhty career and credits.) Tom Skerrit was the star and hero. Weaver was the reluctant hero. Her attitude was "Great, this had to happen to me. Why can't I be left alone! Leave me alone!". Sanaa Lathan comes across with the attitude of *screaming* "I'm the big boss woman here! Do the rest of you humans get it! Do you Predators get it! I am the boss! Do as I say! I can't fight. I don't carry a gun. I hate using weapons. I run around the Antartic in my T-Shirt. Nothing can happen to me because I am the boss woman here!"

  Man, when she naggs the Predator it sounds exactly like a wife nagging her husband/boyfriend "Oh no you don't! You're not going anywhere without me! Oh no you don't!" aarrrggghhhh!

 ->> Here's one question for everyone here - IS it possible for 1 person with zero experience operationg a ship to manuver a giant ship the size of a small tanker through the ice of the Antartic? Because how else is Sanaa Lathan suppose to get out of there? LOL! Even the head Preditor didn't want to take her feminist boss woman self aboard their ship. (Maybe give her a lift to the Carribian? Hawaii? South America? LOL!) They left her butt in the Antartic LOL![/i]

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