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Title: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 21, 2007, 07:42:48 AM
Schild got me thinking about soon to be released titles for all platforms. I think we should also talk about this for 2007 as a whole, and see what the year (potentially) has in store for us (I'm not going to list multiplatform or older console titles though...If someone wants to, then feel free):


XBox 360

Blue Dragon (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2302) (Japanese trailer)


Halo 3 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15442&type=mov&pl=game) (Superbowl trailer..)


Mass Effect (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15084&type=mov&pl=game)


Alan Wake (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=6557&type=mov&pl=game)


BioShock (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15683&type=mov&pl=game)


Huxley (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14911&type=mov&pl=game)


Shadowrun (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=11716&type=mov&pl=game) (Ahem..)


Forza Motorsports 2 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=12821&type=mov&pl=game) (Excellent! I'm jealous)


Culdept Saga (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10853&type=mov&pl=game)


Lost Odyssey (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13688&type=mov&pl=game) (gameplay demo)


Tenchu: Senran (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14500&type=mov&pl=game) (assassination gameplay)


Command and Conquer: Tiberian Wars (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15733&type=mov&pl=game) (Global Defense and Nod battle footage)


Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16136&type=mov&pl=game) (recent CES trailer)


Two Worlds (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=9743&type=mov&pl=game) (just brief gameplay footage. Looks like a Morrowind clone..../meh)


Opinion: Forza 2 (there's a big drought in racing sims atm), Blue Dragon, and of course, Halo 3 will be the killer titles this year. Not Huxley (lol) or Shadowrun (hell no). Mass Effect and Bioshock will be respectable titles, but probably in the same sense as Jade Empire, KotoR, Gears of War, or the first Splinter Cell were...I.e. Great, but not enough to draw lots of outsiders). Alan Wake will be criminally ignored.

All in all though, it's a nice lineup.



PS3


White Knight Story (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13331&type=mov&pl=game) (Sony Japan RPG....great scripting, enviroments, animations.....).


Devil May Cry 4 Trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14162&type=mov&pl=game) (YES!)

Capcom gameplay demo (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15104&type=mov&pl=game)


Eight Days Trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10428&type=mov&pl=game) (Sony London action title)

Also, an Eight Days Cell physics demo (http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=9039) (kind of old, but still impressive)


MGS4 Trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13275&type=mov&pl=game) (Warning: Kojima silliness inside).


Lost in Paradise (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10433&type=mov&pl=game) (another good looking Sony title..)


Afrika trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13319&type=mov&pl=game) (looks great, but I don't know what the hell it is....Or if it's even a game.....But I put it here anyways).


Heavenly Sword trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13315&type=mov&pl=game) (I can only hope those moves manually controlled, like DMC..). I'm pretty undecided on this one. Could be Femme God of War/DMC, or..... Bloodrayne.


Ninja Gaiden Sigma (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14477&type=mov&pl=game) (this will be my third purchase of the SAME game. Damn you Team Ninja)


Eye of Judgement (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2643) (Eyetoy based card game....Not really my thing)


Lair (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14206&type=mov&pl=game) (Trailer)

Gameplay interview (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13777&type=mov&pl=game) (Better than the trailer)


Motorstorm (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16065&type=mov&pl=game) (this trailer is just goofy as hell....But I like it)


UT2K7 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=12572&type=mov&pl=game) (yeah, it's on the PC as well...No word yet on a 360 version though...Despite the abundance of UE3 titles on the 360).


Final Fantasy XIII (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10420&type=mov&pl=game) (It's a Finaly Fantasy trailer. Ho hum).


Opinion: DMC, Final Fantasy, and MGS will own. White Knight might be a sleeper hit. The rest of the titles have some potential, but the best thing they'll do is help put faith in the PS3. Enough people will buy the titles. After that, Sony will be on equal footing with MS in 2008.

 
Wii


Super Mario Galaxy (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10455&type=mov&pl=game)


Pokemon Battle Revolution (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15812&type=mov&pl=game) (battle gameplay)


Fire Emblem (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14693&type=mov&pl=game)


Super Smash Bros. Brawl (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10593&type=mov&pl=game)


Dragon Quest: Swords (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16049&type=mov&pl=game)


Mario Party 8 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14671&type=mov&pl=game)


Project Hammer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=11376&type=mov&pl=game) (that's pisspoor game footage, but that's all that's available atm)


No More Heroes (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13332&type=mov&pl=game) (even if it was all cutscenes, I'd still still dig it)


Battalion Wars (http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=11918)


Disaster: Day of Crisis (http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=35157) (another game begging for real footage)


Opinion: Holy First Party Titles Batman!

It'll be enough to keep the kids happy though. Third party devs will come next year. No one knew it was going to be the smash hit that it is.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on January 21, 2007, 09:23:53 AM
You left Crackdown off the 360 list.  It looks pretty cool from what I've seen so far, but even if it ends up completely sucking it's going to sell a fuckton of copies thanks to the Halo 3 multi-player demo.

Also don't count on FFXIII coming out in 2007, especially in the U.S. which tends to get FF games about 5-7 months later.  White Knight Story also seems very unlikely for a 2007 release


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 21, 2007, 09:28:07 AM
Could be right. I think a Shin Megami title is planned for 2008 as well. That might be the real year for JRPG's.

Though I wouldn't doubt FF and White Knight being available in Japan by year's end.

[EDIT]

Here's the Crackdown trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15237&type=mov&pl=game) for anyone interested (I don't mean to shoot you down Vel, but I think it looks weak. It's 3rd person action, but with 1st person animation and movement. Cityscape, and general artwork look bad too. This comes as a surprise to me since it's virtually a first party title).

Here's Bullet Witch (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16348&type=mov&pl=game) as well (pretty hilarious imho.....but good physics).

Earth Defense Force X (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15410&type=mov&pl=game) (I'm with Schild on this one.....But I bet it gets canned and/or ignored like Lost Planet)

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Formula 1 Trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13311&type=mov&pl=game) (PS3).

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Imagine Cooking Mama and Bust-A-Move trailers here.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on January 21, 2007, 09:45:07 AM
Even with the small lineup, I like what the Wii has coming.

Especially the new Smash Bros. and Fire Emblem games.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on January 21, 2007, 10:02:03 AM
STRAY, SUH, YOU ARE MISSING TOO MANY X360 TITLES. ON TOP OF THAT SHIROKISHI (WHITE KNIGHT) WILL BE A HIT, AND I WANT TO THROTTLE YOU FOR NOT INVESTIGATING MORE AND COMING UP WITH NAMES LIKE DIARIO: REBIRTH MOON ON THE 360 AND THE ENTIRE LINEUP FOR THE PS2 (ARGUABLY BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER SYSTEM). ALSO, DON'T KNOCK EDFX. THAT WILL NOT GET CANNED OR IGNORED. D3P ARE GOOD PEOPLE. I EXPECT THEM TO BRING US ONEECHANBARA X AS WELL (WANNA BLOW YOUR MIND, DO A SEARCH FOR THAT). TIME FOR WORK.

This message brought to you by the letter "awesome."

Edit: Disaster, FFXIII, Project Hammer, Devil May Cry 4, 8 Days, and probably Afrika will get delayed until 08. Mario Galaxy might slip in at the end of the year. Mario Party doesn't have internet multiplayer. Ninja Gaiden Sigma might get ported to the 360. No More Heroes isn't licensed yet. I don't know if Capcom is touching Grasshopper stuff anymore. Atlus might - would be a good pickup for them. White Knight will get delayed. Culdcept Saga doesn't have a firm release date (am cry). Huxley will get delayed. Bioshock might slip to Q1 08. Alan Wake might (will?) also. If Age of Conan isn't in full-on beta by June, expect Q1 08.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Big Gulp on January 21, 2007, 10:03:05 AM
Mass Effect and Bioshock will be respectable titles, but probably in the same sense as Jade Empire, KotoR, Gears of War, or the first Splinter Cell were...I.e. Great, but not enough to draw lots of outsiders).

Gears of War didn't draw in lots of outsiders?  I know 4 people who've never owned an original XBox who bought a 360 just for that game alone.  Stay off the drugs, son.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on January 21, 2007, 10:06:08 AM
Big Gulps right - Gears is a stronger and faster seller than Zelda.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Moaner on January 21, 2007, 10:07:33 AM
The 360 also has Indiana Jones, Overlord, KUF: Circle of Doom, Banjo Threeie, and Too Human scheduled for 07.  Indiana Jones may be multiplatform but I'm not sure.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 21, 2007, 10:21:02 AM
Gears of War didn't draw in lots of outsiders?  I know 4 people who've never owned an original XBox who bought a 360 just for that game alone.  Stay off the drugs, son.

Umm, I'm talking HUGE numbers. Mass conversion numbers. Gears of War is a much better game than Halo will ever be, but Halo 2 pulled in over a million units on the first day. It created a whole new breed of wretched fanboi. GoW hasn't. It's that very effect of Halo 2 that has contributed to the 360's success as well (even though it isn't a 360 game, it won a lot of new people over to the XBox brand).

Gran Turismo titles pull in almost as much (think GT3 was the most popular though, but all have pulled over a million or more on the first week). Hence, why I say Forza could be attractive.

Gears of War is successful, but there's a difference. I'm not taking anything away from it, but it's been out for almost 4 months now, and it hasn't hit 3 million yet. It's a success, but it isn't the great white hope. That's all I meant.

[EDIT] Typo.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on January 21, 2007, 10:25:19 AM
I also don't expect Lost Odyssey to make it (to the U.S. at least) in 2007.

Also Half-Life 2 Orange Box (for PS3 and 360) will be good for people who have shit computers I suppose, so it's worth listing.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on January 21, 2007, 10:39:36 AM
Umm, I'm talking HUGE numbers. Mass conversion numbers. Gears of War is a much better game than Halo will ever be, but Halo 2 pulled in over a million units on the first day. It created a whole need breed of wretched fanboi. GoW hasn't.

Gran Turismo titles pull in almost as much (think GT3 was the most popular though, but all have pulled over a million or more on the first week). Hence, why I say Forza could be attractive.

Gears of War is successful, but there's a difference. I'm not taking anything away from it, but it's been out for almost 4 months now, and it hasn't hit 3 million yet. It's a success, but it isn't the great white hope. That's all I meant.

Gears of War just recently hit 3 million (that's not all that far off from FFXII's numbers, nor MGS3 for that matter).  Halo 2 had sold about 9.2 million as of last June which was the most recent sales number I could find.  GT3 was the best selling game of the GT series at 11mil, with GT4 at 8mil.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 21, 2007, 11:22:13 AM
Hey, I could be wrong. Maybe it'll keep escalating at the same pace, but I think it's more like one of those titles that 1) justifies early adopters' hopes and 2) something that will pick up again a bit from late 360 buyers, to compliment other purchases. Not exactly must have in and of itself, but must have as a part of their eventual 360 collection. Or in other words, I think it more in common with KoToR than it does Halo.

Does that makes sense?

Anyways, let me set something else straight. Perhaps it'll help me avoid the bullshit in the future:

I tried to be fair in that original post. Preemptive "Fuck You" to anyone who disagrees. If I was really "sucking Sony's cock", or here to wave a fanboi flag, I wouldn't have posted Wii or 360 games at all (let alone said anything good about them). The only reason I talk about the PS3 is because that's what I have right now, and my PS2 broke. Big fucking surprise. *slurp, slurp, slurp*

I'm not prejudice against any console, and never have been. Further, I'd be surprised if I haven't bought more of them and more types of them than almost anyone here. Or at least, as much as the usual suspects. I bought obscure SMS card games, and a copy of fucking Gyromite back in the day. I had a 5200 and an Intellivision. I've had Sega products, Ninty products, Sony products, Atari, Microsoft, a variety of computer platforms, and a childhood wasted in arcades. Last gen, I did my best to buy whatever good Xbox games were available. Probably bought more XBox games than anyone here besides Schild and Yeg -- and I didn't even like the Xbox that much.

I might poke a little fun (though you guys are too serious to participate it seems), but don't expect anything different from me now.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on January 21, 2007, 11:24:56 AM
Stray, your freak flag only makes me like you more. Don't let any of the fanboi shit bother you.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Morfiend on January 21, 2007, 11:33:57 AM
Two Worlds (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=9743&type=mov&pl=game) (just brief gameplay footage. Looks like a Morrowind clone..../meh)

Im amped on this game. If its close to Oblivion quality. Think. Oblivion with 2-8 player co-op. *drool*


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 21, 2007, 12:44:39 PM
More 360 stuff (I'm careless):

Kane and Lynch (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13510&type=mov&pl=game) (looking great)


Time Shift (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=9514&type=mov&pl=game) (yawn...MS needs to crackdown on these type of action games).


Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13403&type=mov&pl=game) (since when did KUF become action RPG's? I only played the first one. It was a sucky Japanese Strat ripoff, with a Nu Metal soundtrack at that).


Trusty Bell (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13568&type=mov&pl=game) (gameplay footage)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on January 21, 2007, 02:46:27 PM
Yea Trusty Bell! Chopin's Dreams for the motherfucking win.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: voodoolily on January 21, 2007, 02:57:26 PM
Rare is the only reason I would have any inkiling toward a 360.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Kageru on January 21, 2007, 03:21:40 PM
I think that's a pretty minimal wii list;

http://au.wii.ign.com/index/release.html

Not that I track future games, I'm only really interested once the game is out and has some reviews.

Koroinpa looks like it could be fun though, and seeing "Penny Arcade adventures" makes the mind fairly boggle.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 21, 2007, 03:35:50 PM
I think that's a pretty minimal wii list;

http://au.wii.ign.com/index/release.html

Not that I track future games, I'm only really interested once the game is out and has some reviews.

Koroinpa looks like it could be fun though, and seeing "Penny Arcade adventures" makes the mind fairly boggle.


Now take the ones that'll make it to the US and Europe, and aren't VC games. That would pretty much sum up my list. Besides DQ, Nintendo is basically taking on the world alone in 2007.

Also, remember that I only wanted to list exclusives. This thread would be way too long if I listed everything else (even just potentially good stuff).

Of course, I've left out some things though. THQ exclusives and "Bob Ross: The Joy of Painting". For good reason.

Should have mentioned:

Necro-Nesia (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15355&type=mov&pl=game) (US title: "Escape from Bug Island". Heh)

Sadness (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10856&type=mov&pl=game) (OK, shouldn't have mentioned it...)

GT Pro Series (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15438&type=mov&pl=game)

The Rapala games


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on January 21, 2007, 03:39:13 PM
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January 2007        Bio-Hazard Battle (Virtual Console)        SEGA       Action Adventure

What the hell is that?

Necro-nesia will be the trashiest game I buy all year. Sadness will rock my ass. GT and Rapala won't/don't count.



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 21, 2007, 04:57:57 PM
The trashiest game I buy this year will probably be Age of Conan.


OK, PS3 additions:

Monster Kingdom (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2645)

Hot Shots Golf 5 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13306&type=mov&pl=game)

Getaway 3 (http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=724) (GDC cam vid). Meh. I'm not sure if I even care about GTA anymore, let alone this.

Heavy Rain (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10757&type=mov&pl=game) (What? Quantic Dream exclusive on the PS3? Where have I been?)

Warhawk (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13317&type=mov&pl=game)

Fifth Phantom Saga (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=5840&type=mov&pl=game)

Tekken 6 and Killzone 2 (not going to even show the trailers)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on January 21, 2007, 05:11:31 PM
Heavy Rain will land on the 360 also methinks. Fifth Phantom Saga probably won't get an American Release. Getaway will suck. Clap Hanz will deliver again with Hot Shots. Monster Kingdom will rock my SOCKS off.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on January 21, 2007, 07:43:56 PM
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January 2007        Bio-Hazard Battle (Virtual Console)        SEGA       Action Adventure

What the hell is that?

An old Genesis game.

Edit:   
Hey, I could be wrong. Maybe it'll keep escalating at the same pace, but I think it's more like one of those titles that 1) justifies early adopters' hopes and 2) something that will pick up again a bit from late 360 buyers, to compliment other purchases. Not exactly must have in and of itself, but must have as a part of their eventual 360 collection. Or in other words, I think it more in common with KoToR than it does Halo.

At 3 million copies sold, around one-third of the people who own a 360 have picked up this game.  I'm not sure what the hell that proves exactly, but it's still impressive.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on January 21, 2007, 10:27:25 PM
I'm not prejudice against any console, and never have been. Further, I'd be surprised if I haven't bought more of them and more types of them than almost anyone here. Or at least, as much as the usual suspects. I bought obscure SMS card games, and a copy of fucking Gyromite back in the day. I had a 5200 and an Intellivision. I've had Sega products, Ninty products, Sony products, Atari, Microsoft, a variety of computer platforms, and a childhood wasted in arcades. Last gen, I did my best to buy whatever good Xbox games were available. Probably bought more XBox games than anyone here besides Schild and Yeg -- and I didn't even like the Xbox that much.

This almost requires a topic of its own.

I had an Intellivision.  I still have a ColecoVision (although the controllers have long since ceased to function) with the Atari 2600 adapter.  Also had a 5200.  My first Nintendo came with the Light Gun and R.O.B., I went through two SMS's (Spy vs. Spy was my favorite of the card games).  I fucking loved my TG-16 (5 fucking player goodness back when 2 was standard for pretty much everything else).  I was one of the suckers that bought the Sega-CD attachment for the Genesis.  My game buying habits have dropped off in recent years, but I probably have more games from the Intellivision/Atari era to the Nintendo/SMS era than most people here.

Crap like the Jaguar, CD-i, 3D0, and Neo-Geo (ok maybe that one wasn't crap exactly, but too expensive to justify the purchase) aside, the XBox is the only system I didn't own, which makes my current love of the 360 surpising even to me.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 22, 2007, 02:11:54 AM
Yeah, I fell for the Sega CD as well. And the 32X. And the Saturn. And the DC (though the DC was great. I wish I still had one.....In fact, that's what I almost bought recently over the PS3 heh).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 22, 2007, 02:39:48 AM
To rerail back to the original topic:

My potential end-of-year 360 wishlist would look something like:

Blue Dragon
Alan Wake
Forza 2
Lost Odyssey
Eternal Sonata/Trusty Bell
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Dead Rising
Lost Planet
EDFX
GoW
Kane and Lynch
Mass Effect, Halo 3, and Bioshock out of curiosity, nostalgia, and pity


That second tier of games might be Robot Jesus to most here, but they're exactly the type of games I could wait for (though I am kind of jonesin' for those Capcom games). When I buy an XBox, the main things I'd want to pop in are something from the first tier. Hence, why I'm not a 360 fan yet (maybe will be in the summer).

PS3 list:

DMC4
Lair
F1
Hot Shots
Heavy Rain
Eight Days
Monster Kingdom
NG Sigma
MotorStorm
UT2K7
White Knight Story (one can hope, right?)
MGS4, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, and FFXIII out of curiosity, nostalgia and pity

It's a long wait for any of this (except F1 and MotorStorm). Even so though, I already prefer the path Sony is carving for themselves over Microsoft. Couple that with PS2 games (especially new titles like God of War 2), and it's enough to not make me feel like a total jackass for getting this system so early.  :-)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on January 22, 2007, 03:52:20 AM
Bioshock out of pity? Nah, I think it'll be just fine. Your 360 list is still missing games. Infinite Undiscovery?  Bullet Witch? You can knock that second one, but from what I've heard from people Playing It, you're off base leaving it off the list. Vampire's Rain? The Darkness? Culdcept Saga?

DMC4 may get rushed out the door in 07 to make room for RE5 in 08. UT2k7 will be better with the 360 controller than the Sixaxis - trust me. That said, Sony might open up the PS3 to keyboard and mouse USB for it.

I could go on, but it's not worth it since this - the final year of the PS2 - will be the best one.

Raw Danger
Red Star
Rogue Galaxy
Yakuza 2 (one can hope)
Ar Tonelico
Romance of the Three Kingdoms 11
Chulip
Lumines Plus
God of War 2
Shining Force Exa
Odin Sphere
Persona 3
Atelier Iris 3 (huh? that hasn't been announced yet!)

Anyway, that's all within the first 6-8 months of the year. This Fall belongs to Halo, even Sony and Nintendo own it. In other words, Ninty and Sony each have something they have to do. Nintendo needs to figure out how to make more than 10 Must Buy games during the life of the console and stop trickling out overpriced bullshit on the VC. Sony needs to fix Backwards Compatibility and make a kickass software upscaler for PS1 and PS2 games. I'm not worried about game volume on the PS3. It's something that simply hasn't crossed my mind.

Also, you left Virtua Fighter 5 off both of those. Not to mention the NISA tactics stuff that's bound to hit the 360.

They're not bad lists... for a noob. I kid, I kid. ^_^


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 22, 2007, 04:27:51 AM
Bioshock out of pity? Nah, I think it'll be just fine. Your 360 list is still missing games. Infinite Undiscovery?  Bullet Witch? You can knock that second one, but from what I've heard from people Playing It, you're off base leaving it off the list. Vampire's Rain? The Darkness? Culdcept Saga?

Culdcept is not my thing (sorry). Darkness is multiplatform, hence I left it off (though I'm struggling to care about it anyhow).

Bioshock. Yes. Out of pity. This is one of those titles where I will simply not torture myself with high hopes. That's not to say I think it'll be bad. I just don't want to build it up too much. The best I can expect at this point is Deus Ex 2 or Thief 3 (preferably Thief 3, rather than Deus Ex 2).

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UT2k7 will be better with the 360 controller than the Sixaxis - trust me. That said, Sony might open up the PS3 to keyboard and mouse USB for it.

Not to mention Epic's liking (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=10974) for PSN over XBL (Microsoft are cockblockers with custom content. Transferring PC created maps and whatnot won't be a problem on the PS3). Or the fact that Epic hasn't even announced a 360 version as of yet.

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I could go on, but it's not worth it since this - the final year of the PS2 - will be the best one.

Best PS2 year ever? Or best console for 2007? If the latter, I agree. God of War 2, Persona and Raw Danger, Rogue Galaxy, and Romance are early pickups. Red Star could be fun. Enough to forget about anything lacking on the PS3 for awhile (though there will be enough of those as well).

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Also, you left Virtua Fighter 5 off both of those. Not to mention the NISA tactics stuff that's bound to hit the 360.

I left it off because it isn't exclusive. I'll definitely get it though.


Holy shit, that's a lot of games for 2007.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Baldrake on January 22, 2007, 06:12:41 AM
The Godfather: Blackhand Edition is due out in March for the Wii. I'm sure everyone's seen the video showing the control scheme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNUBJlnHvQA) by now. If it plays as well as it looks, this one will be pretty cool.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on January 22, 2007, 06:42:59 AM
360: Mass Effect alone is looking likely to make me glad I own a 360. Of course, Mass Effect 2 will be done by Obsidian and end badly. ;)
I will probably pick up the other RPG titles coming out, and of course Halo 3. Though I'd say Rainbow 6: Vegas and Gears of War both have raised the bar on FPS titles for the 360. Alan Wake looks to be potentially awesome.

PS3: White Knight looks quite intriquing, their battle system looks more fluid and dynamic than the typical JRPG. Hell, if it has enough RPGs like that I may break down and buy one. Though so far when I've seen it on shelves I've had zero temptation to pick one up.

Wii: Sorry guys, most of that list looks pretty meh to me.

ETA: I forgot to mention Kane and Lynch for the 360. That game looks pretty interesting.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on January 22, 2007, 06:45:28 AM
Not to mention Epic's liking (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=10974) for PSN over XBL (Microsoft are cockblockers with custom content. Transferring PC created maps and whatnot won't be a problem on the PS3). Or the fact that Epic hasn't even announced a 360 version as of yet.


I wonder why MS is a bitch about custom content. I figure it's probably trying to protect the 360 from viruses or something. It's a damn shame because I wish I could download some player-made Oblivion mods.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 22, 2007, 06:56:29 AM
Probably because they think it'd fall on their heads if an add-on/feature isn't a "optimal" for their XBL users. They don't want a lot of sick/demented kids on their support hotline like in that infamous Valve clip.

PSN is a bit more welcoming, but also not so centralized (and thus, Sony themselves can escape any responsibility for support).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on January 22, 2007, 07:25:36 AM
Probably because they think it'd fall on their heads if an add-on/feature isn't a "optimal" for their XBL users. They don't want a lot of sick/demented kids on their support hotline like in that infamous Valve clip.

PSN is a bit more welcoming, but also not so centralized (and thus, Sony themselves can escape any responsibility for support).

Hell, most XBOX-live games say something to the effect of "game experience will change during online play." I figure that's a warning right there, but I guess you're probably right.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on January 22, 2007, 11:42:18 AM
They should all say that if they have a ESRB rating.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 22, 2007, 11:43:56 AM
Now you guys are just being silly. Kids don't read these days.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on January 22, 2007, 10:15:47 PM
Here's the Crackdown trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15237&type=mov&pl=game) for anyone interested (I don't mean to shoot you down Vel, but I think it looks weak. It's 3rd person action, but with 1st person animation and movement. Cityscape, and general artwork look bad too. This comes as a surprise to me since it's virtually a first party title).

The demo should be up for download in a few hours I think (2am PST on the 23rd from what I hear) so I'll be giving it a try soon enough.


Edit:  On another note for 2007 games, Seriously Square, fucking stop it already (http://psp.ign.com/articles/755/755976p1.html).  For those too lazy to click Square is releasing slightly updated versions of FF1 and FF2 for the PSP in celebration of the 20th anniversary of FF in their continued attempt to avoid actually having to create something new.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 23, 2007, 03:11:53 AM
In other news (and this may be old):

Virtua Fighter won't have online capabilities.  :cry: :cry: :cry:

Ever. Not for the PS3. Not for the 360.


I don't see my friends enough these days to enjoy the competitive nature of this game. Online mode would have been the shit (and something I'd be so much better at than FPS's as well).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Sky on January 23, 2007, 02:00:25 PM
Don't forget GTA 2007.

I'll miss Mass Effect, hopefully it gets the Jade Empire treatment at some point. Bioshock I'll play on the pc, Two Worlds, Spore, bunch of good pc titles this year. Gears should hit the pc in the next year or two, and spring 2008 should see GTA 4 on pc. Oh, and mmmmm Dragon Age. Just off the top of my head.

Not to make this a crusade post, either (NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS). Just pointing out it's a great time to be a gamer in general, no matter what platform you favor. Wish I could budget in a 360 for a few things, too.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 23, 2007, 02:04:49 PM
I don't mean to exclude stuff like GTA, it's just that it's multiplatform.

But...

I think I'll take the time to list the multiplatform highlights later (may as well).

Personally, I'm kind of losing interest in GTA. I don't doubt it'll be an incredible and large world, especially without the XBox/PS2/old DVD constraints, but I really want to see them improve upon the gameplay even more. I'm burned out on the old formula.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 23, 2007, 03:26:32 PM
Uh, actually, I'm probably the wrong person to list multiplatform games. I don't care about most of them.

Personally looking forward:

Assassin's Creed
Rainbow 6 Vegas
Splinter Cell Double Agent
 
Sonic
Armored Core 4
Virtua Fighter 5
Virtua Tennis
Sega Rally Revo

Fatal Inertia
Bladestorm

Alone in the Dark 5

Jericho

GTA IV

Strangelhold (Heh...That'd be second trashiest game I get outside Age of Conan).

Spider-Man 3 (unfortunately, it's not Treyarch. Will probably suck)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on January 23, 2007, 03:40:56 PM
Been playin around with the Crackdown demo a little bit.  Nothin great really, but I can see it appealing to GTA fans.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on January 24, 2007, 07:59:34 PM
Related to the Gears of War sales figures we were talking about earlier in here, the game released in Japan last week and reached #7 for the top selling games lof the week with sales of around 33,000.  Not too bad, all things considered.  For the record, #1 was the new .hack game for the PS2, #2 was a new Wario game for the DS, and #3 was Shining Force EXA for the PS2 (which scored a 35 in Famitsu, which is encouraging).  And of course 18 out of the top 30 games were for the DS.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 26, 2007, 01:34:54 PM
So umm...UT2K7 finally announced for the 360 (not sure why it took them this long), and it's not called UT2K7 anymore. It shall now be known as: Unreal Tournament 3.

Kane and Lynch now coming to PS3.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on January 26, 2007, 02:24:35 PM
Is that the 360 name, or the franchise name?

Also, wouldn't it be more properly named UT 4?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on January 26, 2007, 02:36:46 PM
Is that the 360 name, or the franchise name?

Also, wouldn't it be more properly named UT 4?

Franchise name.

UT4....Hmm...

Well, I guess that maybe they're silently admitting that UT2K3 was shit? /shrug

It did use the same engine as UT2K4 though, so they really aren't seperate UT games per se. UT2K4 is just what 2K3 was supposed to be.

Thirdly, I suppose this makes it convenient for them align their engine name (UE3) with their flagship game name (UT3).

...

Anyways, yeah, it's pretty confusing.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on January 26, 2007, 02:49:41 PM
Shame...I liked the 2Kx naming convention.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 08, 2007, 02:06:39 PM
Umm....Yeah, forget about this "nextgen" shit. PS2 still rocks:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?r=1&type=wmv&id=16885 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?r=1&type=wmv&id=16885)

Pretty great models for a 7 year old console: Pic (http://www.jeux-france.com/images3_4_19126.html)



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on February 08, 2007, 05:24:43 PM
Umm....Yeah, forget about this "nextgen" shit. PS2 still rocks:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?r=1&type=wmv&id=16885 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?r=1&type=wmv&id=16885)

Pretty great models for a 7 year old console: Pic (http://www.jeux-france.com/images3_4_19126.html)
Given the resolution of those images and no obvious signs of image scaling it's highly unlikely that's an in-game real-time rendered frame.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 08, 2007, 05:36:10 PM
They're just blown up, I think.

Here's another: http://media.1up.com/media?id=3188633 (http://media.1up.com/media?id=3188633)

As you can see, the background is nothing to get excited about. So I doubt the scene is prerendered.

Besides, that griffon he's killing doesn't look too different in the pic than it does in the vid.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on February 08, 2007, 05:53:24 PM
They're just blown up, I think.
No.

Original Image (1098 x 960) (http://pandadesigns.com/games/4872520070208_025301_1_big.jpg)

Image scaled down to 549 x 480 using Bicubic Sharper (http://pandadesigns.com/games/4872520070208_025301_1_480_bicubic_sharper.jpg) (original image is not a 4:3 rectangle)

549 x 480 image scaled up to 1098 x 960 using Bicubic Sharper (http://pandadesigns.com/games/4872520070208_025301_1_960_bicubic_sharper.jpg)

Notice the loss of detail on the griffin between the first and third images. Also notice how the sword in the third image in now anti-aliased, which is in fact how Full Scene Anti-Aliasing (FSAA) works -- a larger image is rendered and then shrunk down.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 08, 2007, 06:16:04 PM
Fair enough.

Still looks pretty good though :). Considering what it's running on.

Anyways, here's another: Colossus footage that was gettin' tossed around awhile back (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=16658&type=mov&pl=game).



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on February 09, 2007, 06:48:20 PM
Schild will probably be happy to hear (on the off chance he didn't already know), that yet another PS2 JRPG has been confirmed as coming to the US this year.  Atlus has announced they'll be publishing the Vanillaware developed game Odin Sphere (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/763/763434p1.html).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on February 09, 2007, 06:50:12 PM
Yea, I posted it on a couple sites. Super stoked. I'll post a video tonight methinks.

Edit: And yea, I was one of the press that had to keep my mouth shut after E3. It's not a JRPG. It's a side-scrolling ARPG.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on February 09, 2007, 06:53:40 PM
I used the term JRPG loosely I'll admit.  It's an RPG from Japan, it just happens to be a side-scrolling, action RPG.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on February 09, 2007, 10:07:17 PM
Side scrolling as in some kind of platformer gameplay? Or am I missing something?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 09, 2007, 10:08:40 PM
Probably not platformer so much as brawler. I hear it even has Street Fighter-ish combos. For an RPG, that sounds cool.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on February 12, 2007, 08:56:39 AM
For those interested, both IGN (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/763/763624p1.html) and 1up (http://www.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3148722) already have reviews up for God of War 2.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 12, 2007, 12:07:42 PM
Geez. Almost perfect scores.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on February 12, 2007, 12:13:24 PM
What did you expect?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 12, 2007, 12:19:22 PM
Nothing different from IGN, I guess. But 1UP can actually be overly-critical at times. Didn't expect a 9.5.


Though I don't doubt it'll be a rockin' game.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 23, 2007, 05:44:59 AM
[EDIT] Nevermind. Bad post.

Premature XBLA news (gotta a little two excited about that WC game before reading about it ;) ).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: HaemishM on February 23, 2007, 08:26:00 AM
I thought the Wing Commander game sounded fun.

The Wii Sonic game is supposed to be shipping today, I think.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 23, 2007, 08:58:13 AM
I thought the Wing Commander game sounded fun.

Gamespot preview (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sim/wingcommanderarena/news.html?sid=6166308)

It's not even a first person cockpit game. It's third person, and you can't even attack from the top or bottom. It looks like a multiplayer,  arcade-y version of Star Control or Asteroids.

Not that that couldn't be fun, but that isn't Wing Commander to me. I want space shooter dogfights.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: HaemishM on February 23, 2007, 09:05:52 AM
D'oh. If it's not 3d, it's not Wing Commander. Could still be fun as a Star Control sort of game, but it's not WC.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Sky on February 23, 2007, 09:16:04 AM
Wing Commander was such a great game. Sliding sideways strafing a kilrathi formation while flying through an asteroid field, hoping to take them out before they emerged on your freighter...

What happened to good space sims? XvT, WC, maybe WC2, and ? Freelancer was a mouse-driven dumbed down experience and that's probably the last one I played. Actually, SWG was probably the last 'decent' space sim I played.

I was thinking that when considering Spore. This huge universe, I hope it has a good exploration aspect. I've got X3, not sure how the flying part is, since it's crashing on the intro movie, probably need some codec or something.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 23, 2007, 09:59:22 AM
Even though I like them, I can understand the death of adventure games. But space sims? No. That's a genre that should have never went away.

The closest I've played to that kind of experience is Ace Combat (actual attempts at space sims haven't). It's not space of course, but the dogfighting is similar. Kind of in that sweet spot between arcade/sim.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Zar on February 23, 2007, 10:17:25 AM
Quote
What happened to good space sims? XvT, WC, maybe WC2, and ?

Check out Descent: Freespace and (especially) Descent: Freespace 2.  The last two great space sims made, imo.  They both hearken back to Wing Commander, and by WC I mean good WC, not the long, poorly acted movies the last ones turned into.  They do both have a great story though, and they play like space sims should, not that dumbed down arcadey version you get in games nowadays like Freelancer.  Also, the capital ships are HUUUGE.  They put the capital ships from most other space sims to shame.  Your fighter is a tiny speck next to these gargantuan things.  It's fucking exhilerating to be flying between two behemoths which are literally ripping one another apart with massive beam weapons.

They came out a number of years ago.  I think I can remember seeing them in some sort of bargain space pack collection, but I'm unsure.  You do owe it to yourself to find them if you're a space sim fan though.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 23, 2007, 09:53:10 PM
Freespace is real old (almost as old as the last WC), but I've never played the sequel (or the mods).

DarkStar One is the most recent game to attempt all of this, I think. It's not bad, but it's not WC. More like Freelancer, but improved. Also, like Freelancer or the X series, they're more inspired by Privateer than they are Wing Commander. None of the cool space opera and adventure stuff in them.

Again though, if you like the "chase", and the thrill of dogfighting without too much technical sim shit, then y'all would enjoy an Ace Combat game. Don't let the setting turn you off.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Stormwaltz on February 24, 2007, 11:41:46 AM
Freespace is real old (almost as old as the last WC), but I've never played the sequel (or the mods).

FS2 was '99 (I remember playing it at Turbine the day of release), but it went open source a few years back, and it still under active development. The most recent versions have been updated to include modern video card effects.

http://scp.indiegames.us/news.php


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 25, 2007, 05:19:27 AM
Yea Trusty Bell! Chopin's Dreams for the motherfucking win.

Some new shots. I'm really, really impressed. For this game, and just the future of cel-shading in general:

(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/4965/1099_0025.jpg)

(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/4965/1099_0006.jpg)

(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/4965/1099_0018.jpg)

(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/4965/1099_0030.jpg)

Wow.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Calantus on February 25, 2007, 07:13:33 AM
That does look really nice. Although the first screeny has waaaay too much going on to be anything but painful. Pretty. But painful.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on February 25, 2007, 09:59:55 AM
Freespace is real old (almost as old as the last WC), but I've never played the sequel (or the mods).

FS2 was '99 (I remember playing it at Turbine the day of release), but it went open source a few years back, and it still under active development. The most recent versions have been updated to include modern video card effects.

http://scp.indiegames.us/news.php

*sighs* This conversation makes me pine for Wing Commander again. I was more pissed about it going away than Ultima when Origins became nothing but UO.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Moaner on February 25, 2007, 10:14:51 AM
Those Trusy Bell shots look great.  The story sounds pretty compelling too.  I'm really looking forward to it and Blue Dragon. 

I hope these games catch on in Japan so we get more JRPG love on the 360.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on February 25, 2007, 10:38:33 AM
Doesn't matter. Blue Dragon and Trusty Bell are already getting released here. Trusty Bell is coming out here as Eternal Sonata. Big JRPGs are pretty much a lock for this generation.It's one of the categories that Microsoft and Ninty lagged in, as such, they're going to fight the real fight this time on that front. Sony will retaliate by releasing everything and eventually, it wouldn't shock me if English was on the japanese discs due to being region free.

Edit: What I meant was that JRPG performance [in Japan] doesn't matter much this time around. Most stuff is getting an NA release announcement long before JPY release these days.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 25, 2007, 11:00:12 AM
JRPG's are actually very hit and miss with me.

Scratch that, RPG's in general.

I'll play them, but I'm really just blown away by the technology here. Everything should be cel-shaded, if that's what it can look like.  8-) I'd love to see a BG&E, JSRF, or Killer 7 on the 360 or PS3. Or even another attempt at 3D Street Fighter (maybe the time is right now).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on February 25, 2007, 11:11:36 AM
I like cel-shading but it depends on how it was used. It was awesome in Rogue Galaxy but it only added to the childishness of Zelda: Wind Waker. Some genres should only rarely, if at all, have cel shading IMO. Shooters for instance should rarely have cel shading, if ever.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 25, 2007, 11:20:33 AM
I like cel-shading but it depends on how it was used. It was awesome in Rogue Galaxy but it only added to the childishness of Zelda: Wind Waker. Some genres should only rarely, if at all, have cel shading IMO. Shooters for instance should rarely have cel shading, if ever.

Yeah, but imagine Zelda if the quality was like Eternal Sonata.

...

Note: Just talking about quality, not style. Eternal Sonata might have what some would consider a kiddie style.

Just imagine Zelda with proportional bodies and heads, but with the same high quality cel-shading. ;)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Margalis on February 25, 2007, 02:57:13 PM
Peolel are complaining about kiddie looking games without picking on Blue Dragon? I don't see the appeal of that game at all.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/728/728023/img_3928659.html

WTF. Seriously. I don't mind kiddie graphics or Akira Toriyama character designs in general but this is too far. I'd be embarrassed to even play this by myself. It looks like "My First RPG."


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on February 26, 2007, 12:09:57 PM
Time to go get that 360.  Also Valkyrie Profile while I am thinking about it.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on February 26, 2007, 12:50:28 PM
Peolel are complaining about kiddie looking games without picking on Blue Dragon? I don't see the appeal of that game at all.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/728/728023/img_3928659.html

WTF. Seriously. I don't mind kiddie graphics or Akira Toriyama character designs in general but this is too far. I'd be embarrassed to even play this by myself. It looks like "My First RPG."

I totally agree and yet it alone made 360s sell in Japan. Different strokes and all that. I bought Eternal Arms and I doubt I'll touch Blue Dragon.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 26, 2007, 01:01:21 PM
I think Blue Dragon looks great. To heck with you haters.

Though I think it looks more like game art than Trusty Bell. Trusty looks like an interactive cartoon.

Generally speaking though, it appeals more to me than Trusty (game/team/story wise etc).

...

It isn't selling as many copies in Japan as MS would like. Basically, the 360 has little hope for Japan. It'll probably appeal more to American and Euro gamers with a liking for Japanese sensibility than it will in Japan. Which is strange when you think about it. I don't think that's ever happened before.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on February 26, 2007, 02:27:00 PM
Blue Dragon's main character looks like a 8 year old. My 8 year old spends her time playing with Barbie and on the computer. Not saving the world. Blech...


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Margalis on February 26, 2007, 04:03:33 PM
You have to understand that JRPGs are to Japan as FPS games are to the US. An average FPS game in the US will sell pretty well. Same with an average JRPG in Japan. It is just a genre they really like over there. So the fact that Blue Dragon moved some 360s doesn't say anything to me.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 26, 2007, 04:36:10 PM
Blue Dragon has sold something like 140k. Mentioning 360 sales should be avoided. It's quite sad. Considering who's developing it. A game like that would sell at least three or four times as much on another system by now (including the PS3).

[edit] You're right about shooters though. Absolutely abysmal. Gears of War has only sold about 50,000 copies. Dead Rising and Lost Planet near 60,000. And those are the good numbers.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Margalis on February 26, 2007, 04:48:38 PM
I don't think who is developing Blue Dragon is all that impressive. Yeah, it is the "Final Fantasy guy" but at Square he had a hands-off role for years in part because people thought he had lost it a bit.

The last game he was heavily involved in was one of the SNES ones.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on February 26, 2007, 04:54:30 PM
You're confusing him with the guy who actually lost it - the FFT director.

Yea, he was heavily involved with the best games they ever made. Sakaguchi has wanted to deviate from the FF name for a while.

And seriously, Sakaguchi, Uematsu, and Toriyama is a dreamteam for the vast majority of RPG types who were around during the SNES period.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 26, 2007, 04:58:06 PM
I know this isn't the best example to mention here (since not everything is attached to a console purchase), but many RPG's in Japan, even without name backing, tend to sell 200 or 300k just on the first day. Big ones hit a million. 140k is pretty much unacceptable even if he wasn't that impressive (though he is).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on February 26, 2007, 05:21:30 PM
Blue Dragon has sold something like 140k. Mentioning 360 sales should be avoided. It's quite sad. Considering who's developing it. A game like that would sell at least three or four times as much on another system by now (including the PS3).
Microsoft has said they are in this for a long haul. As long as they are showing improvement they are happy. They sold a little more than half as many Xbox 360s in Japan compared to the PS3, which doesn't sound great but it's more than an order of magnitude better than what the Xbox has sold compared to the PS2 in Japan. If Microsoft and its partners can continue to release quality games that the Japanese like to play they will continue to gain ground in Japan given how badly the PS3 is performing there right now (it's being heavily discounted since retailers are having trouble selling them).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on February 26, 2007, 05:27:36 PM
Without name backing, RPGs do not sell 200-300k. There are companies there that WISH they could sell that much and they make solid games.

If by big ones you mean Dragon Quest, Tales, FF, and uhmmmmm, yea, that's about it. Those hit 1M+.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 27, 2007, 01:01:04 AM
Sorry, I meant without the name backing of....Well...Basically the three you mentioned. Heh. There are quite a few jrpgs that do pretty well besides them (then again, some of those other titles are still published by big name publishers, so...).

Basically though, I can see what MS was trying to accomplish here. Everything about that game makes complete sense. It should be doing more, so the results must be extremely disappointing to them.

Microsoft has said they are in this for a long haul. As long as they are showing improvement they are happy.

You think? I mean, I hear their PR people say they're happy all the time, but I can't believe that. They're losing wads of cash. And this is well beyond saying "It's a good start". They "started" long ago. They're actually at a mature stage right now.

It's not just racism either. Even a great core selling point of the 360, like Live, doesn't register with the Japanese market (and yeah, online isn't the biggest deal for Nintendo and Sony either). Sometimes it's all their fault for  turning people off there (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whE0Y0LeNWE). The same goes for Asia (http://www.whatswrongwithu.com) in general.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on February 27, 2007, 02:43:15 AM
Microsoft has said they are in this for a long haul. As long as they are showing improvement they are happy.
You think? I mean, I hear their PR people say they're happy all the time, but I can't believe that. They're losing wads of cash. And this is well beyond saying "It's a good start". They "started" long ago. They're actually at a mature stage right now.
It took Microsoft Word nine years to supplant WordPerfect as the number one selling word processing package. Yes they are in it for the long haul. The $289 million the Entertainment group lost last quarter is a drop in the bucket to the almost $3 billion Windows made for them last quarter and that doesn't count the over $2 billion Office made either. Microsoft can continue to lose hundreds of millions of dollars every quarter on the Xbox as long as their OS and office suite monopolies hold up.




Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 27, 2007, 02:46:42 AM
Fair enough. It's possible. Mind you, I don't want to see them fail. They have a lot of good companies that would fail with them.

I just think it's pretty bleak for them is all. They'd probably be making oodles of cash in Japan if they were just a game publisher though (then again, they'd still need to work on their marketing techniques).

Also, it should be mentioned that Word vs WordPerfect was at a time when Microsoft had a better reputation. Also, it's not games. Much more fickle, generally shitty bunch than people who care about word processors (just to point out the obvious).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on February 27, 2007, 03:23:04 AM
Stray, the odds of Microsoft failing or pulling out at this point are roughly the same as one of Geldon's crackpot theories coming true.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 27, 2007, 03:32:29 AM
No, I don't think they'll pull out. I just think they have a fat chance of ever gaining popularity enough in Japan to make a difference. Japan will always remain something they'll just write off as a loss, and hope other regions compensate for (and on that note, Europe should probably be a bigger concern to them than Japan).

The only way they would pull out completely is if they failed everywhere else, like XBox1. Which, almost definitely, won't happen again. Or, if some miracle happens where they realize that losing money is a bad thing, and their funds actually aren't unlimited (which could be a slight possibility if other things fail, like Vista). Probably won't happen either though.

One way I do think they could win the favor of Japanese gamers though (instead of that awful commercial) is impressing the arcade market first -- and then make those games exclusives on the 360 (or whatever future platform they release). That would be a longterm enterprise too though.

[EDIT] Or what I mean is, maybe they shouldn't try to force their way into RPG's and cute puzzle games just yet. Or shooters. Or Live. Basically, they need to do something on the level of reinventing themselves as Sega for people to give a shit about what they're doing. They need some street cred, man.  :-P


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on February 27, 2007, 03:56:25 AM
See, you're continuing under the assumption that Japan is important. In 2006, 1.4M PS2s were sold in Japan - total. In America, we did the same amount in December alone. Total, we did just under 5M PS2s in 2006. The biggest story in Japan is the DS/Lite obviously. We're pretty close to Japan in that and thrashing them in every single other system on the market. We're absolutely wrecking them in everything else. PSP? It took us 4 months to do what they did in a year. We do more 360s every month than they do in a year. Hell, we did 70,000 Gamecubes in December. They did 74,000 GCs in 2006. You think Japan really matters to American companies other than a couple more mouths to feed with games? Microsoft is going for world domination here. And honestly, at the end of the day, they very well could write off MS. Not that it matters, we're going to see lots and lots of games hit America first soon here.

It's tough to argue a country as being important for install base when the total number of gamers in Japan is less than you can find in one state in the union (OK, so I'm picking one of the more popular states. My point still stands.)

Edit: They don't need street cred. You can buy that. Raiden IV is a 360 exclusive. Cave is making a 360 game. Grev has a 360 game already - Senko no Ronde. Which is also coming out here. And that's just shooters off the top of my head. Seriously, the 360, if Microsoft keeps writing checks - could become the PS2 of this generation, unless the PS2 keeps selling like purified water.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 27, 2007, 04:14:33 AM
Buying street cred is pretty much the antithesis of gaining street cred.

I think Japan is important, if only because Japanese tastes are important. Disregard Japan, and you eventually disregard Japanese games that are also favored by many non-Japanese gamers. I'd rather see them trying to appeal to Japan and failing than not appealing to them at all -- Because that would eventually lead to a market saturated with only American games (i.e. if they gave up on Japan on that level, they'd end up not bothering with any of these cool games at all for American and Euro buyers).

[EDIT] As for street cred. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of it really. Street cred is needed anywhere you go. You can't just waltz into an existing market and try to push yourself around. That's like some jackass who invites himself to a party he wasn't even invited to. It has to be more from the ground up than that.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Big Gulp on February 27, 2007, 05:03:25 AM
That's like some jackass who invites himself to a party he wasn't even invited to. It has to be more from the ground up than that.

And somehow Sony was "invited to the party"?  Bullshit, these companies are in this business for the same damned reasons, to turn a profit, and that's the end of the story.  And for that matter, I'd say MS has been a hell of a lot more responsive to their customer-base than Sony has.  MS has been leaps and bounds ahead of anything Sony's done concerning community outreach, while Sony has been busy making retarded statement after retarded statement, putting their former dominance even further out of reach this gen.

Damn, man, can you not see it?  Sony's entire attitude for the past year has been "We've got umpteen million loyal followers from the PS2 who'll mindlessly follow our next system".  Hasn't seemed to have worked out too well for them, has it?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 27, 2007, 05:46:53 AM
The problem with Sony is price. It's not any more complex than that. Yes, Sony was invited to the party. A long time ago. People do actually want their machines (but they get pissed because they just can't or won't shell out that much). Sony doesn't have a problem with reputation per se, not in the games space at least (but I wouldn't disagree that they're being foolish and arrogant on how far they can ride on that).

[edit] Wasn't trying to get into a this vs that debate though. Just pointing out some problems with Microsoft's approach in Japan (regardless of what anyone else does).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on February 27, 2007, 09:14:27 AM
How about Japanese gamers just don't like change. Or they don't know a good thing when they see it.


And if Microsoft pulled the 360 out of Japan, that would not mean we would stop seeing any games at all come out of Japan. Those developers are not going anywhere.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on February 27, 2007, 09:58:32 AM
Fuck you EA!

Quote from: IGN
Wing Commander dogfights take place in a three dimensional environment, though the ships are constrained to a 2D playing field. The camera is fixed behind your ship with two levels of zoom for you to survey the area.

2D? Wing commander in 2D? Screw that. ::sighs::

Sorry, had to get that out of my system. Back to the Japan topic.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on February 27, 2007, 09:59:42 AM
Posted that on the last page.

Yeah, that sucks.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 06, 2007, 11:42:02 AM
Some new Heavenly Sword footage (http://www.playsyde.com/leech_3598_en.html)

Lookin hot


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 07, 2007, 11:35:36 AM
Motorstorm -- Great, not fantastic. But probably the start of something fantastic. The racing engine itself is fun, visuals are pretty much the best any racing title has to offer so far, but as you've might have heard already, it's pretty slim in tracks and features. Hopefully DLC will help alleviate that, but I expect this franchise to only come into it's own if/when they release a sequel.

Haven't played online yet. This could change my opinion (for better or worse).

Still in the top tier of games to get if you have a PS3 though (the other two being Resistance and VF5). Three great games isn't too bad at this point imho.

Just to even out the post (and not just make it about Motorstorm):

PS3 Home video demo (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=17559). Pretty much as expected... Habbo meets XBL meets Mii. Free of charge, but with micropayments (I'm assuming virtual Bravias?  :roll:). 360 like achievements will be knick knacks in your virtual trophy room. There will be a third party effort in creating content as well. You get the rest....

Won't be out until Fall.


Little Big Planet (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=17549) -- Some neat looking platformer thing (from the Rag Doll Kung Fu guys). I'm guessing a PSN title.

..

Oh, and...

New Killzone 2 vid forthcoming!  :roll: :evil:


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 07, 2007, 11:43:12 AM
So, despite all of my bitching about the situation SURROUNDING home. It's going to be AWESOME.

Heyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. </littlejon>


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: MisterNoisy on March 07, 2007, 11:46:37 AM
PS3 Home video demo (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=17559). Pretty much as expected... Habbo meets XBL meets Mii. Free of charge, but with micropayments (I'm assuming virtual Bravias?  :roll:). 360 like achievements will be knick knacks in your virtual trophy room. There will be a third party effort in creating content as well. You get the rest....

Won't be out until Fall.


Little Big Planet (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=17549) -- Some neat looking platformer thing (from the Rag Doll Kung Fu guys). I'm guessing a PSN title.

Home i'm kind of on the fence about - I can see it being a big 'sticky' feature for some, but I don't think it'll be a huge deal for me personally - particularly if they end up sprinkling it heavily with ads to cover some of the costs - virtual Minority Report ftl.  LBP looks to be about a billion shades of awesome though.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 07, 2007, 11:58:09 AM
Mark my words: Achievements will bring back high score and time attack modes.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on March 07, 2007, 12:13:15 PM
Home so far to me looks like everything some people accuse the Wii of being.  It looks like a novelty that people will quickly lose interest in.  As an interface for listening to music, watching videos, or playing games with friends, it seems far from the most efficient way of doing things.

Little Big Planet seems cool though.  Apparently it's going to be a PSN title later this year, and then it will be on disc sometime next year.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 07, 2007, 12:15:09 PM
It's nothing like the Wii. The Wii has fuck for online features. This, otoh, may not be my thing, but it's basically an MMO.

I'm not into the achievement thing, but then again, it seems like anyone with an XBox gets enticed by it. I'd probably be no different if presented with the situation.

Gotta appreciate the take Sony's going with it though. Interior design. Lol.

Also, the public displays sound cool. Say, if you kick ass in Fight Night or something, there could be an EA Sports Bar or something where your name and accomplishments are displayed on a pair of Golden Gloves for the whole virtual world to see.

[EDIT] Oh wait, you're saying it's gimmicky like the Wii.

Maybe.

But really, it's not much different XBL or typical matchmaking and game lobbies. The difference being 3d interactivity instead of lists and scoreboard like displays.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on March 07, 2007, 12:31:34 PM
[EDIT] Oh wait, you're saying it's gimmicky like the Wii.

Maybe.

But really, it's not much different XBL or typical matchmaking and game lobbies. The difference being 3d interactivity instead of lists and spreadsheet like displays.

Exactly, I'm saying it's a gimmick.  At first it might seem cool to run around and meet people and bring them back to your private space or whatever.  In reality though that kind of interactivity takes longer.  If I feel like playing a game online with people I don't want to run around a 3d world looking for people who want to play the same game as me, inviting them back to my home, and then playing the game.  It's just not efficient.  If I want to watch a movie or listen to music, I'm not going to go around looking for other people who want to do the same thing (not to mention that fact that PSN would need to get a whole lot more content before watching a downloaded movie would even seem like a good option to me to begin with.  I'm not going to watch the Spider-man 3 trailer a dozen times).  I don't see myself hanging around a 3d world chatting with random people whose only thing in common is the fact that they all own a PS3 either.

The accomplishment stuff seems kind of cool, but other than that I wasn't really looking for new and interesting ways to interact with complete strangers online.  If MMO's have taught us anything it's that most random people online should be avoided whenever possible.

Edit:  Mind you I'm probably just being needlessly cynical about the whole thing.  As a free update, it certainly isn't a bad thing.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 07, 2007, 12:45:54 PM
I don't see myself getting all social either, but I know there are plenty of people out there who would (hello, Myspace/Youtube/SL/Habbo/Goldshire).

Like you, I'd prefer a quicker, hands off approach to matchmaking, and I'm generally not into just bullshitting with strangers online, but I'm not really sure if I'm the gimmicky one or those other people are (besides, we're not even sure how Home works exactly, so who's to say? Could be just as painless as anything else).

I could appreciate all the interior design stuff, just for kicks. Those virtual arcade machines looked pretty cool too (if they actually work).

[EDIT]

Also, who better to do something like this than Sony? It's a no brainer the more I think about it. Sony was already tying in their traditional A/V and Entertainment expertise with the Playstation brand, making it more than just a brand for games. Seems only natural to tie it all in with their SOE division as well.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: HaemishM on March 07, 2007, 02:13:17 PM
Home looks like the X-Box Live MMOG/Virtual World I always expected it to be, which is pretty awesome.

EDIT: Though I'd likely not play it, Little Big Planet does look teh awesome.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 07, 2007, 02:32:51 PM
Just watched the video. Home is amazing. Please to be having.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 07, 2007, 03:07:32 PM
Further info: Looks like Little Big World will have a level editor as well, and allow sharing across the PS network.

Here's the full demo if you have the time (18 minutes): Link (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/9860)


Back to Motorstorm: This game is pretty hard. The tracks are tough, a.i. is tough, etc.. 

Online, it's smooth as hell. Haven't played too much yet though.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on March 07, 2007, 03:17:43 PM
Mark my words: Achievements will bring back high score and time attack modes.

Achievements: forced e-peen.  Every time I fire up the 360, I am confronted with the tinyness of my score.  No matter how much I try to convince myself that it's dumb and it doesn't matter, deep in my e-pants I know that it is very important.  I think you're right.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Big Gulp on March 07, 2007, 03:58:47 PM
Achievements: forced e-peen.  Every time I fire up the 360, I am confronted with the tinyness of my score.  No matter how much I try to convince myself that it's dumb and it doesn't matter, deep in my e-pants I know that it is very important.  I think you're right.

I thought Achievements (and yes, it is a word deserving of capitolization) were the stupidest thing I'd ever heard of when I got my 360, but I'll be damned if it doesn't keep you attached to games that you otherwise wouldn't really be attached to.  It also makes you do stupid shit like sim your way through 20 seasons of Madden once you've won the Superbowl to get those damned nerd points.  Bizarre that this would become such a vital part of the platform, but I really think it's become that, and I'd be shocked if Sony and Nintendo don't duplicate the concept.

Frankly whoever dreamed up the whole Achievement idea needs to be rewarded by MS with an early, opulent retirement.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 07, 2007, 04:04:13 PM
(http://i18.tinypic.com/44snwhl.jpg)


[EDIT] Sidenote: I heard something interesting about those videos on the walls. Apparently they're all HD quality, running in tandem, at different angles, etc.. Pretty impressive considering there's a lot of 3D processing and whatnot going on as well.

There was a Cell demo put out by Toshiba awhile back showing a large screen with 48 720x480 mpeg streams being simultaneously decoded. I thought it was cool, but pointless. But I guess there's some actual use for such a thing, after all.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Fabricated on March 07, 2007, 07:52:29 PM
Jesus, those avatars are terrible. Are there options to make an avatar that doesn't look like an emokid or some faux-hip retard?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 07, 2007, 07:57:42 PM
Heh. I was just mentioning in IRC how cool it'd be if you beat, say, God of War 3 on God mode, then you get a Kratos outfit to prance around in PS Home.

[EDIT]

But umm.... Those look like fairly normal clothes above. Except for the headphones. Hardly "emokids".


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Big Gulp on March 08, 2007, 04:47:29 AM
Those look like fairly normal clothes above. Except for the headphones. Hardly "emokids".

They look like little emofucks.  And what's up with the text?  Wouldn't you be using VOIP?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 08, 2007, 07:51:37 AM
No, seriously. Those are normal clothes. The guy in the background is wearing a red t-shirt and olive pants. The two girls are just wearing fairly normal stuff too (not sure why you would care what chicks wear anyhow).

This is an emokid:

(http://img56.photobucket.com/albums/v171/emokid54/distillers/7854.jpg)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Signe on March 08, 2007, 11:32:22 AM
They don't look emo to me, either.  I would have to count their boo boos to be sure, though.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Fabricated on March 08, 2007, 12:09:07 PM
The two in front look like emo-douches to me. I can't be THAT old yet, I'm only going to be 24 here in 3 months.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Murgos on March 08, 2007, 12:46:16 PM
Jacket, jeans and a t-shirt is emo?  I admit that the jeans could be a little more blue than black and wearing a beanie cap indoors is a bit off but it's hardly emo.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on March 08, 2007, 01:00:51 PM
Perhaps "Punk" is what you're looking for?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 08, 2007, 01:09:50 PM
There is no "punk look". Unless Malcolm McLaren calls the shots. See: Greg Ginn, Steve Albini, Poly Styrene, Dee Dee Ramone, and the chick in my avatar.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: MisterNoisy on March 08, 2007, 01:10:19 PM
Perhaps "Punk" is what you're looking for?

'Hipster dork' I think.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Fabricated on March 08, 2007, 01:13:29 PM
Perhaps "Punk" is what you're looking for?

'Hipster dork' I think.
Yeah, that's about right actually.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 08, 2007, 01:16:14 PM
Either way, I'm sure it'll be something like EA's Gameface (Tiger Woods), and will have plenty of non-"hipster/emokid" options for you.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on March 08, 2007, 09:26:09 PM
I was actually being serious about the Achievement stuff.  I have a... problem, you might say, with collecting things.  Until now, these collections were confined to individual games, like the R&C skill points (hard!).

Fabricated, I seriously thought you were over 40.  zomg!


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Moaner on March 09, 2007, 09:16:46 AM
I have not listened to the keynote personally but from what I understand most of the day to day functions like viewing trophies, listening to music, watching movies, etc. will all be available in a menu style interface similar to XBL.  I'm not sure how much I'll walk around and socialize in Home but it certainly looks interesting.  How Sony decides to regulate private areas and apartments should be interesting.  If there is one thing I learned from Second Life it's that people are not shy about cybering it up.

And Motorstorm is great fun.  It reminds me of R* Table Tennis in the sense it is very bare bones but what is there is rock solid.  I've only played through the 4th race and the difficulty has already ramped way up as well.  It, at the very least, is a fun once through (maybe a rental will do).  I have yet to play multiplay but I hear they are having some issues with connectivity.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 09, 2007, 09:20:03 AM
Phil Harrison has said in followup interviews that apartments will be instances.

Jumping around from area to area will be done with a virtual PSP (with a waypoint/map screen). You wouldn't have to manually navigate to the trophy room.

[edit] Not having any problems with Motorstorm connectivity, but it can sometimes be difficult to find matches with open slots and that are not in progress.




Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on March 09, 2007, 09:48:54 AM
No one has commented on the fact that the Home icon looks like there is a trapdoor in your house.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Margalis on March 09, 2007, 11:38:36 AM
The two in front look like emo-douches to me. I can't be THAT old yet, I'm only going to be 24 here in 3 months.

(Stabs fabricated in face over and over again)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Fabricated on March 09, 2007, 03:21:13 PM
I was actually being serious about the Achievement stuff.  I have a... problem, you might say, with collecting things.  Until now, these collections were confined to individual games, like the R&C skill points (hard!).

Fabricated, I seriously thought you were over 40.  zomg!
My unhealthy and largely irrational distaste for everyone and everything else could have potentially lead you to believe that. My mighty powers allow me to become overly bitter much faster than other people.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Signe on March 09, 2007, 04:17:32 PM
I knew he was a boy.  And he just pretends to be all misanthropishy.  He's really very sweet.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: voodoolily on March 10, 2007, 11:28:05 PM
(http://www.niggaknow.com/images/content/tlrnywii/bullshit-wii-manuvers.png)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 10, 2007, 11:33:07 PM
Ooh look, she's talking again.

Keep it up :)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on March 13, 2007, 09:42:59 PM
My unhealthy and largely irrational distaste for everyone and everything else could have potentially lead you to believe that. My mighty powers allow me to become overly bitter much faster than other people.

I have thought about why I thought that.  I was really angry and bitter at 23, however I was pretty stupid too.  You're angry but not stupid, so I assumed you had some years on you.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on March 13, 2007, 09:58:52 PM
Yeah, I too had you pegged as crotchety and...older than me.  :evil:


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Signe on March 13, 2007, 10:17:35 PM
This thread has turned lovely.  Let's all cuddle.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 14, 2007, 12:41:44 AM
Early 20's you think you know everything. Even worse than a teenager. And even worse than that if you just graduated college. In this timeframe, you may fancy yourself as some kind of misanthropist, but really, you're the reason why the real misanthropists exist.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 14, 2007, 02:19:01 AM
Stray, I beg to differ. We're misanthropic about the things we know. Like games, movies, certain aspects of politics, or own religions and the ones exactly oppisite to them, etc. Take me out of that comfort zone, and I don't even remotely pretend to know everything, nor do many of the people here. It just seems that way because you're on a website devoted to 4 or 5 things, and everyone here can claim a certain amount of expertise about them. MMOGs for example. I may not play them much anymore, but no one really challenges me on knowing a collosal deal about them.

Now go play God of War 2.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 14, 2007, 02:59:20 AM
No, no, I'm not even picking on anyone here in particular. Just some thoughts. In general.... it seems like everyone goes through a period where they actually think they know everything. Everything enough to hate it. 21-24 seems like the sweet spot. It's the age where you can finally start articulating things (at least in your head). When you start taking education, ideals, and knowledge even more seriously. But then..... When you also overblow your ability to discover these things, and make such a big deal about it. Like you were the first one on earth to have an opinion, and you don't have to listen any longer. This, in turn, leads to disrespecting or ignoring mostly everyone around you at least 90% of the time.

I saw it in people before me, then later in myself and my friends, and then everyone's little brother and sister after that. And so forth.

Then again, it's not all bad. It's both sickening and cute at the same time. Kind of a two sided coin.. Sometimes that angst produces good art, positive ambition, social change, etc.. In the right hands, a little arrogance and hate can be good.

Watch out if you're one of the ones who don't put it to good use by 30 though (which is pretty much everyone). You'll really be a hate-filled shithead by then.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 14, 2007, 03:10:38 AM
See, the problem is, you think this happens in people when they begin to articulate things, while I fall in the camp that believes it comes right before that period. Take any group of 24 year olds and compare them to people between 15 and 21. Well, 15 to 21 for girls, 17 to 21 for guys (before 17, I find guys to be moronic bumbling idiots who just want to touch a tit - so girls, despite being a backhanded compliment, are getting complimented here). I find those teenage years to be the years when people become the biggest jackasses about knowing everything. ESPECIALLY between 16 and 18. There is nothing worse than people between their sophomore year of highschool and freshman year of college.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: ahoythematey on March 14, 2007, 03:59:59 AM
I've found that the worst know-it-alls are those past their 20's, because they somehow start thinking they automatically have wisdom with age.  Teenager know-it-alls are snot-nosed shits that I contemptuously ignore almost always because they aren't worth the stress it would produce.

Little Big Planet looks neat, almost like "The Incredible Machine" in a way.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: MrHat on March 14, 2007, 04:24:16 AM
Little Big Planet looks neat, almost like "The Incredible Machine" in a way.

Ya, I was happy w/ the way it looked to.

As I understand it, you just jaunt through the level until you get to end.  The levels are user created?  Obstacles have to be overcome by cooperating w/ each other?

I R CONFUSD.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 14, 2007, 04:48:42 AM
Well, levels are both user created, but the physics could make it unpredictable even for the creator of those levels. Lots of ways to improvise, and obstacles unforeseen.

It's both cooperative, as well as competitive. I may have heard incorrectly, but those yellow balls in the demo video count as points.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on March 14, 2007, 07:53:45 PM
RAWR


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 20, 2007, 12:35:31 AM
DMC4 now going multiplatform apparently (PS3, 360, as well as PC).

Not bad news, but if Capcom doesn't port Dead Rising and LP to the PS3, then I'll probably flip out.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on March 20, 2007, 12:58:02 AM
DMC4 now going multiplatform apparently (PS3, 360, as well as PC).

Not bad news, but if Capcom doesn't port Dead Rising and LP to the PS3, then I'll probably flip out.

As mentioned elsewhere, I'm really not fond of the DMC series after the first game.  This is just the sort of thing Sony really doesn't need right now though.  I've also seen the recent rumors (although they're based on cell phone pictures of Blockbuster's database, so I'm not counting on them to pan out) that Beautiful Katamari may be coming to the 360 (with no word on a PS3 version).

Regardless, Sony's first party stuff alone is enough to justify a purchase of the PS3 once the price comes down enough.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 20, 2007, 01:11:34 AM
Sony can bank on Naughty Dog, David Jaffe & Co., and SCEI (Monster Hunter, etc). Arguably, they're as strong as Nintendo (considering God of War 1 & 2 are better than anything Ninty has put out since LttP, or Ocarina... if you're one of those people).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 20, 2007, 01:32:47 AM
Yeah, I'm a big fan of their first party stuff. I think they're even better than Nintendo at that. They offer quite a few quality titles across a wide spectrum of genres and tastes -- From God of War, R&C, RPG's, and ICO to Socom, MMO's, and racing games. And...They keep inventing new stuff too, instead of just rehashing mascot games. I liked Sega over Nintendo for the same reasons back in the day too.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on March 20, 2007, 01:43:46 AM
I think Nintendo's first party stuff is better at capturing the casual player than Sony's is.  As a matter of personal preference though I agree that stuff like the God of War games and Shadow of the Colossus are better than anything Nintendo has done in recent memory (and I do love Nintendo's games).

With talk of Take-two possibly going up for sale with their whole internal shakeup right now, MS really needs to do whatever the can to aquire it if they do sell.  Right now it looks like first party games are just about the only ones console makers can count on to stay exclusive, and MS needs a lot more first party talent to get on the same level as Sony and Nintendo.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 20, 2007, 02:23:28 AM
If Microsoft acquires Take Two, it's over. They just bought America and Europe. And it would be worth Every Penny.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on March 20, 2007, 03:29:02 AM
If Microsoft acquires Take Two, it's over. They just bought America and Europe. And it would be worth Every Penny.
No it wouldn't. First, Microsoft would still be substantially smaller than EA in terms of video game software revenue. Second, Microsoft would have to immediately divest itself of the GTA franchise, giving up a huge chunk of TT's revenue potential.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 20, 2007, 05:50:09 AM
Microsoft would have to immediately divest itself of the GTA franchise, giving up a huge chunk of TT's revenue potential.

Why? That franchise would be one of the number one reasons to buy Take Two.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on March 20, 2007, 05:56:45 AM
Microsoft would have to immediately divest itself of the GTA franchise, giving up a huge chunk of TT's revenue potential.
Why? That franchise would be one of the number one reasons to buy Take Two.
Because major institutions and grandmas invest in Microsoft and it's part of the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Can you imagine what would happen to their stock if they owned GTA when its next inevitable controversy comes up?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Calantus on March 20, 2007, 07:56:24 AM
Quote from: Many
Juicy derail goodness.

I... missed the window of opportunity to participate in the derail, didn't it? :cry:


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on March 20, 2007, 09:19:43 AM
No, you have a great opening here to retread MS as a failure or future success, or start something about Take 2, which itself could lead to a discussion of either Jack Thompson or He Who Shall Not Be Named.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 20, 2007, 10:28:15 AM
I dunno. Every time someone said something about GTA, they could repond with "It's a game. How much money did you give to Africa this year? OK THEN." And honestly, Microsoft has done a good job keeping the image of it's gaming division away from everything else.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on March 20, 2007, 11:26:05 AM
I think Take Two would own GTA while MS would own T2, which might abstract it enough for investors that don't actually care about fat stacks of cash.  However I don't think it's going to go up for sale, rather the investors are going to replace management and restructure.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: HaemishM on March 21, 2007, 09:35:13 AM
I fail to see why having GTA would hurt Microsoft in the slightest. It really would be the best reason to buy Take 2. I mean, Halo? Hello? Just because there's no hooker beatings, doesn't mean Halo isn't a violent video game. Jack Thompson would get his panties in a tizzy, but I imagine his drawers are constantly tizzified anyway.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Triforcer on March 21, 2007, 12:39:17 PM
Drool.  Metroid, Mario and Super Smash alone are enough to keep me happy on the Wii side.  But some of the 360 stuff looks so unbelievably awesome...I'll have to take advantage of all the "cheap electronics" shit in Japan and maybe buy another system once I get there. 


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 21, 2007, 12:44:05 PM
I'll have to take advantage of all the "cheap electronics" shit in Japan and maybe buy another system once I get there. 

What Japan are you going to?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Xanthippe on March 21, 2007, 01:22:33 PM
Surprised nobody mentioned Super Paper Mario, due out in a couple of weeks.



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Margalis on March 21, 2007, 04:00:34 PM
Super Paper Mario looks really cool.

You can get cheap electronics in Akiabara that is computer stuff, console stuff costs largely the same as it does here. But walking around in Akiabara is awesome. They have arcades, playable consoles set up on the street, promotional vids everywhere, big game stores that carry old games - lots of cool stuff. I think I orgasmed when I walked into the Sega World arcade. An entire floor of Capcom fighting games and another entire floor of VF.

Anyway I also don't see the problem with MS putting out GTA through a subsidiary. Disney puts out some nasty films through its other brands and nobody really cares. That would be a huge hit for Sony. The PS3 is really the odd man out right now.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Triforcer on March 21, 2007, 04:18:28 PM
I'll have to take advantage of all the "cheap electronics" shit in Japan and maybe buy another system once I get there. 

What Japan are you going to?

Is this no longer the case?  I've been told that while everything else in Japan is expensive, electronics are cheap.  Or is everything region-locked?  EDIT:  Saw Margalis's post, I understand now.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on March 21, 2007, 04:56:36 PM
Am I the only person who Will Not play a fighting game in the arcades?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on March 21, 2007, 05:02:14 PM
Am I the only person who Will Not play a fighting game in the arcades?
What's wrong with playing in an arcade?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 21, 2007, 05:03:14 PM
Am I the only person who Will Not play a fighting game in the arcades?

Yes. Freak.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on March 21, 2007, 05:08:43 PM
Well, granted the only fighting game I really like nowadays is Soul Calibur 2, but still. If I wanted to play a fighting game, I want to be able to sit down and play it for awhile.

Also, I'll admit fighting games are not my strongest genre. Couple that with the fact that some guy can just come over and curbstomp me makes it not a nice idea.

The only things I play in the arcade are shooters and combat drivers. There are hardly any arcades around here anyway, and they're all (all = 2) outdated.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Calantus on March 21, 2007, 05:28:36 PM
Arcades are a group thing to me so fighting games are excellent because the "some guy" is a friend or relative. I don't recall going to an arcade alone since before my brother was old enough to go to arcades, and those times were only because I was forced to go shopping and the arcade was within begging distance.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Margalis on March 21, 2007, 07:38:23 PM
I used to tell my mom I was going to my friend's house to do homework then the two of us would ride our bikes to the arcade.

Fighting games are really meant to be played with human competition, and a variety of competition is great. Now it does suck to not be very good. Usually when I play people who aren't good I will give them tips and not be a total dick about it. But you do have to be willing to suck up some losses while learning. I used to savage a guy at all Capcom games then he got me into playing Tekken 2 and it was payback time. He showed no mercy, I had games where I got knocked over then literally never got up off the ground. But I did learn pretty fast.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on March 21, 2007, 09:27:42 PM
Am I the only person who Will Not play a fighting game in the arcades?

You and my dead grandma, so no.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on March 21, 2007, 09:35:30 PM
Har.

But seriously, all I ever seem to see are various Tekken units, and I LOATHE Tekken.

I guess I just prefer to play at home, where I can relax and we don't need to down coins constantly. I tend to last a lot longer in shooters.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Calantus on March 22, 2007, 01:15:09 AM
If I ever step into an arcade by myself I'd go for the shooters since I don't have laser guns at home. :P


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 22, 2007, 02:00:43 AM
What shooters are in arcades now? I don't think I've played anything since Time Crisis.

Or are you talking about scrolling shoot em ups?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 22, 2007, 02:52:29 AM
House of the Dead 4 is the latest shooter.

The latest SHMUP is probably, well, that you'll find in America is probably Ibara Pink Sweets (Cave PCB) or Senko no Ronde (Grev/Naomi GD-ROM).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on March 22, 2007, 04:41:43 PM
Microsoft on Take Two: (http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/19/commentary/column_gaming/index.htm?postversion=2007031911)

Quote
One company that says it's not in the running is Microsoft. Because today's independent publishers are platform agnostic - that is to say, they build games for all major systems - taking over one would result in a massive revenue loss for Microsoft, as all development would be redirected toward the Xbox 360.

"We could never launch an acquisition bid at a third party publisher," said Shane Kim, corporate vice president of Microsoft (Charts) Game Studios.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 22, 2007, 04:44:01 PM
Never?

Bullshit. Just not this time.

Sega/Sammy should buy Take 2. Just because their American presence is total dick.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 22, 2007, 08:22:46 PM
Never?

Bullshit. Just not this time.

Sega/Sammy should buy Take 2. Just because their American presence is total dick.

Maybe they learned something from Rare?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on March 22, 2007, 08:40:13 PM
Rare was a development studio, not a 3rd party publisher (they did publish a handful of their own titles).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on March 23, 2007, 08:28:32 AM
I agree with Schild.  Once the weather changes, it could certainly happen.  In this case, the change will be once MS has acquired defacto monopoly of the games sector as it has done with the OS sector.  At that point, cross-platform games will be practically nonexistant and purchase of a competing publisher becomes sound business.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 23, 2007, 08:51:04 AM
Also (I forgot about this):

Ace Combat 6 announced on the 360 (but no word on PS3 yet --- MOTHERFUCKERS!  :x).

Even worse, I've read more than a few times from XBox users how they don't care unless they get to play with a flightstick (Dumbasses. It's an arcade sim. Not Flight Simulator).

That's irritating. Who the hell are these people, and why are they allowed to play this game?

Its almost as bad as this guy I heard awhile back calling Gears of War revolutionary for having a "behind the back" perspective, and how the 360 was a must buy because of that. I kid you not. He said that. Somehow, some way, this guy had never seen or played a game in third person apparently.*



* Don't mind me. I'm venting because of AC6. I know that not all 360 users are this ignorant.


Anyways....

(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/5110/1228_0003.jpg)

(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/5110/1228_0004.jpg)



[EDIT] P.S. Seriously. He said that. I didn't misunderstand him. He went on about how cool it was to "see his character".

Perhaps, somehow, he'd never played any game before. Period.


Only one person has amazed me on that level before. When I was at a party, and some dude sparked up a conversation with me about a Black Sabbath t-shirt I was wearing. "Hey cool.. Another Sabbath fan.." Whatever, right?

Next thing I know, he starts flapping about the Dio albums. Holy shit. Not one mention of Ozzy -- as if the real Black Sabbath didn't even exist or something.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on March 23, 2007, 09:26:30 AM
How could playing with a flight stick detract from the game in any way?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Soln on March 23, 2007, 09:44:04 AM
"Afrika" on 1Up:
Quote
An action title featuring the desert, a rhino and various wilderness.
Other Info: Number of Players: 1


Deerhunter?   


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 23, 2007, 10:51:44 AM
How could playing with a flight stick detract from the game in any way?

I could think of several things. Wingman commands (which you'll need 3 buttons for); dispersion commands (of which there are three -- accessed through holding down a button and bringing up a HUD); the fact you're carrying more types of ammo in that game than any true flight sim, and therefore, wouldn't have the buttons or switches to access them conveniently on a stick (unless you like pulling down and scrolling through menus on a flightstick); another button for accessing special weapons; a button for missle firing; another button for guns; a button for target cycling; left/right yawing; one button for boresight mode; two buttons for throttle (though, of course, that's one switch on a flightstick); a button for radar functions; a button changing vantage points; a button combo for autopilot; then of course a stick for directing your aircraft; and then another stick for camera moving.

Then there's things outside the flightgame: Storyline dialogue functions (which plays out like an adventure game); various nuances in the targeting and minimap systems; all the equipment and debriefing menus.


But the most important thing is, I never said a flightstick detracted in the first place. That wasn't my point. I just said it was stupid to expect Ace Combat to be a flightstick game. But since you asked, you have my answer. It's been a gamepad game for over 10 years now, and it's irritating to find these knuckleheads buying consoles and talking that stupid shit.

[EDIT]

Also, I need to clarify that I have nothing against flightsticks. I've played many games with them, and I like them. But the reason why they're the obvious option on PC's is because there's this other thing called the keyboard. You couldn't just use a flightstick on a console game like Ace Combat without at least adding a keyboard too (and needless to say, but a keyboard would be overkill for the type of game it's trying to be -- a fairly carefree action title for couch potatoes, that tries to bridge the gap between sims. It's not a full blown sim. It only needs as many functions as a gamepad provides -- but more functions than what a flightstick alone could offer).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on March 23, 2007, 02:11:03 PM
I've seen some flight sticks with a whole mess of buttons, triggers, and knobs or whatnot. I get your point, though I think the Option and Functionality would be nice.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 30, 2007, 01:33:03 PM
Heh. Speaking of all the BD shit I was arguing in that other thread, this game will probably make an argument for it more than I ever could...


Also, there wasn't any footage when the thread was made, so I should do this anyways.

R&C Future: Tools of Destruction (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/10000)


------

[EDIT]

Also, I guess I'll be buying this for third time (damn you Team Ninja).

Sigma (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/856/856529/vid_1950044.html)

1080p@60fps apparently too


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on March 30, 2007, 02:03:47 PM
Damn, those AC6 screenshots look nice. I wonder if it will look that good in the real thing.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 30, 2007, 02:10:24 PM
I wouldn't doubt it. Even the PS2 versions look pretty good at times.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on March 30, 2007, 08:08:53 PM
Sorry, watched the R&C video, and all I could do is shrug. Sorry, but I don't see how that makes an argument for BD.

Admittedly, I don't even play the games.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 30, 2007, 11:25:54 PM
Oh look, Strazos shrugged. Again.

Color me surprised.


Sorry bud, I just spent two pages talking about this stuff. Not going to get in it with you too.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on March 31, 2007, 03:26:49 AM
Even worse, I've read more than a few times from XBox users how they don't care unless they get to play with a flightstick (Dumbasses. It's an arcade sim. Not Flight Simulator).

That's irritating. Who the hell are these people, and why are they allowed to play this game?

Its almost as bad as this guy I heard awhile back calling Gears of War revolutionary for having a "behind the back" perspective, and how the 360 was a must buy because of that. I kid you not. He said that. Somehow, some way, this guy had never seen or played a game in third person apparently.*

Sounds like something Schild would say, actually. I know he's a big fan of game/genre specific controllers.

OTOH, reading random posts from mouth-breathers on the internets doesn't really mean much, to a dev or anyone else. Don't stress. You'll get a 360 eventually so you'll get to play it, it just may not be on launch day.




Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 31, 2007, 03:52:13 AM
I'm not a big fan of specific controllers. I hate flight joysticks in particular. And I've never owned a steering wheel. I've been playing everything from the original Ridge Racer, Gran Turismo, to Forza, Etc using a D-Pad and face buttons. I got quite good at it. I've played every flight sim ever with with a controller or keyboard/mouse. Now, I did use a joystick setup for TWO games - Descent and Star Wars Episode 1 Racer (Pod Racer, if you will).

The only genre that needs specific controllers is rhythm.

As for third person action. I liked it more in Lost Planet, Splinter Cell, and Tomb Raider than I did in Gears of War. In fact, I really hate the way Gears of War handles. Too much context sensitive positioning if you ask me. I'm quite good at finding cover in Lost Planet and staying there, I don't need a full overly dramatic animation set to hide behind a rock, just give me a crouch.

I'm a big fan of things getting more realistic, but don't let that take away from gameplay. I expect certain things to take a certain amount of time (or frames of animation) in a game. Crouching in GoW is just too slow, and gun animations are getting a little ridiculous also. I fear for that new PS3 title - the name alludes me now. You're the male Lara Croft. They're boasting 1200 different animations for the main character. I expect more than half of those to take an uncomfortable extra half second, making really fast action become pretty miserable.

Finally, I hate that weird third person Gauntlet type action that a lot of games have going these days. Crackdown did it, but managed to keep things fast. Other games you may have seen it in include Max Payne, Bullet Witch, Saint's Row, Just Cause, and... ahem... 50 Cent's Bulletproof. Grand Theft Auto IV will no doubt have it in spades. It's just sloppy game design if you ask me. I fear the worst for Stranglehold.

Now, can I play and enjoy a lot of these games? Yes. Do I think they're shitty for the most part? ... Yea, I do. Especially the whole GTA crew and it's clones. I think they're total trash. They try to be too many things. Driving game, flying game, shooting game. Meh. At least get ONE of them right.

I don't even know what this post is about anymore.

But the one thing I'm not elitist about is controllers. Hell, I finished AvP on the Jaguar. OK, I'll grant this, some games need joysticks (shmups, competitive fighters). But that's it!


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on March 31, 2007, 04:08:33 AM
Interesting, and quite contrary to your post about wanting a pile of sport-specific controllers for the Wii as neither the Wii-mote nor the accessory pack with little teent tennis racket/golf club/etc frames were good enough for you.

Not sure what you mean by Gauntlet type action. You mean like the game Gauntlet (elf needs food!)?

I'm not seeing the Max Payne connection there, though I haven't played the other titles you mention, I found MP/2 to both be very good fun games, though I played them on PC, so maybe that's where we differ?



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 31, 2007, 06:21:56 AM
I should have been more clear. I didn't mention the Wii in the above post, because the Wiimote on it's own is a terrible piece of shit for anything that requires more than 2 buttons. Which, ironically, explains all the minigames coming out for the system (which I just bitched about in the other Wii thread). That controller made additions necessary, and as long as we're making those additions, as Nintendo put forth when it showed the controller the first time, I figured it would be best if the shells were contextual. As such, my want for very specific shells for each game type.

And yes, I mean Gauntlet. Arms out, firing straight ahead (or two the sides in some games, i.e. Just Cause), while running toward the next area or an item. All the while monsters/mobs/whatever are just running at you from all directions. That's all most of the third person action genre is - a 3D, 3rd person Gauntlet. It's only once we add very specific Things to the games that we end up with Splinter Cell, Lost Planet, or Metal Gear Solid. Without those bits that make those titles the great games they are, you end up with a large deal of sloppy/lazy/boring game design.

Oh, what's this new area. Ok, I'll blast my way through here.

Seriously, sometimes I just feel like I'm a bullet-shotting oscillating fan.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on March 31, 2007, 06:45:32 AM
OK I get you now. I don't entirely agree with your Wii-mote need, but then again it's just personal preferences. I think the fucking thing should have also shipped with a Wavebird-type controller, so the system can run some normal games as well as Wiimote-swinging party and sports games, but there you go...

I see what you're saying with regard to third-person shooters, though I don't really find the Gauntlet analogy especially apt. To me. they're more like FPS that have had the camera movesd about 5 feet backwards. Then again, I haven't played a lot of 3PS besides the Payne series, and some of The Punisher (which is basically Max Payne .5), but yeah, very FPS-y rather then gauntlet-y.

Then again, conceptually, there's not a massive difference between your standard run-and-gun corridor-based FPS and Gauntlet in a sense. Maybe your opinion would also include those. Even with the minor addition of the Z-axis.



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 31, 2007, 06:51:08 AM
Z-Axis isn't a minor addition. If you need extreme cases, look at Prey and FEAR. Or even anything with vehicles.

3PS and FPS titles feel 1,000% different to me. I'm not sure how to explain it. But it might be the use of the Z-Axis. A first person shooter would change completely if you were looking at it from the top down. A Z-Axis would be nearly impossible. On the other hand, most 3PS titles wouldn't CHANGE so much as get easier if the camera was just pointing straight down at the character. Which would make it... Gauntlet. Most would be a bad version of Gauntlet, but Gauntlet nonetheless.

Every game could use the phrase "Red Giant Needs Food Badly" though.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on March 31, 2007, 08:06:09 AM
I'm still not seeing it as an either/or in the same sense. Look at the first stage of Max Payne, for example. Fighting up and down flights of stairs, down the train tracks ..a big part of MP2 is shooting people above and below you in the series of condemed buildings. You throw Grenades over other objects (as in a FPS) and shoot/throw grenades through windows. They also both feature a lot of large, open areas as you'd see in a typical FPS. There's no vehicles or ladders (that I recall) but the gameplay is closer to Soldier of Fortune 2 than it is to Gauntlet or Smash TV or even escape from castle Wolfenstein.

Sure, you can take it to an extreme with FEAR or Prey, but (not that I've played them) they're more the FPS exceptions than the rules.

Is it because I play my 3PS on the PC using the FPS WASD/mouse control scheme instead of on a console with the dual-shock? The few worthwhile 3PS games that I've found worth playing have all been on the PC. (GTA3/VC/SA amongst them). I'm sure I've played a number of shitty ones on the PC, but they tend to become uninstalled quickly, and so are forgettable. Even so, I'm still looking toward the horizon, even if Max's bonce is in the middle of the screen to look past. I can also choose to look up, down, strafe, and so on. Gauntlet-alikes, I'm seeing a much more limited distance but the entire peripherary, and strafing feels awkward rather than natural. So again, the feel to me between FPS and 3PS is very close, and both are very different to top-down.

We may have to agree to disagree on this one, I suspect.

Also, how did we get onto 3PS games?





Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on March 31, 2007, 08:27:18 AM
I fear for that new PS3 title - the name alludes me now. You're the male Lara CroftThey're boasting 1200 different animations for the main character. I expect more than half of those to take an uncomfortable extra half second, making really fast action become pretty miserable.

Uncharted

The animations are the first thing that stood out to me in the trailer. If the game is anything like that, I will be blown away.


---

I generally prefer 3rd person to first. There's just more options available for physical moves and acrobatics. I like that kind of stuff in my games. Moving around in first person is generally dull and lifeless. As is melee.


As for 3rd person shooters specifically though, it's iffy. Targeting is more the focus than acrobatics there, so I prefer 1st person in that respect.

One shooter I would have liked to see in third person though is Riddick. That guy was meant for aerial knife attacks, tumbling, and all that shit --- Of course, after all is said and done, I'm really just saying that I would have preferred a completely different Riddick game (the actual one wasn't bad though).



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on March 31, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
Oh look, Strazos shrugged. Again.

Color me surprised.


Sorry bud, I just spent two pages talking about this stuff. Not going to get in it with you too.

You didn't even make a point. I was just looking for it. If you like the game, that's fine, but that still doesn't tell anyone anything about why a new storage medium is all that necessary right now.

I mean, what could they possibly need all that space for in...I guess you could describe it as an action platformer?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on March 31, 2007, 11:10:09 PM
Alright. Fuck. Listen.

Blu-Ray holds more.

We're not going to have to deal with a bunch of 3-4 disc RPGs and 2-3 DVD RPGs like we did these past 2 generations (and we're going to experience again on the 360.

Also, BD allows people making games in other genres to do more impressive shit with textures - like texture streaming LARGE amounts instead of the tiny amounts present in GoW - make no doubt about it, Gears was hampered by being on a 9GB disc.

If you can't see that, you need to take off the fucking blinders.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on March 31, 2007, 11:25:30 PM
I realize there are tricks to be played using BD. But lack thereof is not even close to being a dealbreaker, for me anyway.


But what I was really getting at is that Stray posted a video, saying that it made some kind of point that this is why we need BD, or something. I'm pretty sure we both saw the same video, and while it looked nice, I didn't see anything that couldn't be done on just a DVD.

And as an aside, in RPGs, how often are you swapping discs, really? FF7 was 3. The BG1 was like 5, plus the expansion (prolly a bad example, as there is no swapping once you have the expansion installed). I don't remember a whole lot of swapping. Certainly not enough for me to care, anyway, though it seems like it's a pet peeve of yours, which is fine.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on March 31, 2007, 11:51:46 PM
I don't mind the idea of larger-capacity discs at all. I'm not super-keen on the trojan-horse format wars as I have no interest in B-R movies now or for the forseeable future. If the drive wasn't such an expensive addition to the PS3 (and maybe if they could get their shit together as far as backward compatability goes) then I'd probably be in the market for one now.

When these 2 issues are yesterday's news, and the machine drops to, say AU$250-300 then I'll no doubt buy one. It'll happen eventually, as it has happened for every other console to date, and in that time the software library will expand and mature, and there'll be some fantastic games (whatever the cream of the crop is right now) for dirt cheap, while others will be into their second or third iteration (ie FIFA 2009 will include all of the teams in the world, as well as hi-def creases in uniforms and Ronaldhino's horse teeth) so there's no need to stress.

Not willing to pay it now? Fine. Buy it later.

easy.



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Murgos on April 01, 2007, 08:45:23 AM
And as an aside, in RPGs, how often are you swapping discs, really? FF7 was 3. The BG1 was like 5, plus the expansion (prolly a bad example, as there is no swapping once you have the expansion installed). I don't remember a whole lot of swapping. Certainly not enough for me to care, anyway, though it seems like it's a pet peeve of yours, which is fine.

Not to put to fine a point on it but are you not paying attention?

How many floppies did Darklands come on? I recall that it was in the 20's.  I know that I've run into games that had 10 or more install cd's.  How many DVD's did are we seeing games come with now?  Two?  Three?  More?  It's just a matter of time dude and that time is not far off.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 01, 2007, 10:55:23 AM
It should be mentioned that games like FFVII were being released towards the second half of the PS1's lifespan. So it's not a fair comparison really. The XBox 360 is only a year old. The PS3 is a few months old (and a mere couple of weeks old for Euros). Disc swapping should not be such an early "feature" for these machines.


Also (and I think I touched on this somewhere else once): Seeing that Blu-Ray is region free, localized game versions can fit on one disc as well. Just having one localized version of high quality audio tracks takes a lot of space. Now there can be multiple versions.

In addition to the game stuff, it's also possible to add in other little features -- like "Making Of" documentaries, interviews, etc.. Not saying any of that is crucial, but it is possible. It is an option. And options are good.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: bhodi on April 01, 2007, 07:04:31 PM
There was a ton of that kind of thing on God of War 1.. they had "the making of", cut levels, cut characters, interviews with the developers, hidden content, bonus movies with extra background plot; it was completely stuffed. I beat it on god mode, so I don't remember how many of them had to be unlocked, but they were there. Also, the 800 number with kratos giving you a tour was totally cheesetastic.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on April 01, 2007, 08:41:21 PM
Well, you certainly pay a hefty premium for it at the moment.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 01, 2007, 08:57:34 PM
Not really. Games cost $60. Great. I was paying $70 for AAA games back on the SNES. Also, $600 for the console. Eh. OK. People spend that much on graphics cards. I can cope. Especially since HOME is free.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on April 01, 2007, 09:25:57 PM
Where are these people that spend $600 on graphics cards? Certainly not anyone I know.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 01, 2007, 09:42:36 PM
I'm sure there's a few here that you know.

Doesn't matter though.


This whole line of argument (not necessarily from you, but in general) about what someone "needs" or "doesn't need" for gaming is pure bullshit. We don't need to even play games at all. It's a total money waster no matter what you spend for it.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on April 01, 2007, 09:44:13 PM
Let me jump in and say I can agree with that before this threads turns towards the truly moronic.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 01, 2007, 09:59:51 PM
Cool.


Lets see if I can get this back on track with a Tekken 6 trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17086&type=mov&pl=game) (not sure who's hotter -- Zafina or Leo?).


And umm, this Conan (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=17717) console game (which will more than likely be more fun than that MMO).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on April 01, 2007, 11:32:57 PM
Gametrailers has the first part of their interview with Jaffe up (http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround.php).  Not much of note (other than watching Jaffe be Jaffe), but presumably the next part will get into Calling All Cars a bit.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: HaemishM on April 02, 2007, 09:21:25 AM
When these 2 issues are yesterday's news, and the machine drops to, say AU$250-300 then I'll no doubt buy one. It'll happen eventually, as it has happened for every other console to date, and in that time the software library will expand and mature, and there'll be some fantastic games (whatever the cream of the crop is right now) for dirt cheap, while others will be into their second or third iteration (ie FIFA 2009 will include all of the teams in the world, as well as hi-def creases in uniforms and Ronaldhino's horse teeth) so there's no need to stress.

Not willing to pay it now? Fine. Buy it later.

And that's what I'm talking about. When the PS3 is what I consider a good value (around $250-$300) and a shitload of games. By that time, there will also be a clearcut winner in the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD format wars, which probably won't matter much in the purchase of the machine because the standalone players will be cheap enough to buy as well. By that time, the newest version of the X-Box will be out, with a hi-def DVD drive of whichever format wins, and will likely be more money than I want to spend.

But right now, I'm being told that I MUST have Blu-Ray storage capacity for games (which isn't true) and that I MUST pay the premium price for it. The reason I'm being told this is because Sony wants Blu-Ray to win the MOVIE FORMAT wars, which has fuckall to do with games. You'll forgive me if I, as a gamer on a budget, resent being used that way in a pawn for a market war that I really don't give a shit about. I might be more inclined to not be a dick towards the format wars if I could pay a small ($5 or less) fee to trade-in the legal DVD's I own for new spiffy Blu-Ray/HD-DVD versions. But being expected to pay AGAIN for the same movies in a new format as well as having a $600 console shoved down my throat by the Sony overlords sticks in my craw.

Blu-Ray is NOT absolutely necessary to the creation of hi-def games (as evidenced by the 360). Disc-swapping is not a dealbreaker for me when it comes to a game; if the game is worth it, I WILL get up and switch discs. Hell, not having hi-def isn't a dealbreaker for me, since I still enjoy my X-Box and my Wii games and won't pay $600 for a new graphics card for my PC.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 02, 2007, 09:33:59 AM
BD already is the winner Haem. It's been consistently outselling hd-dvd since the PS3 came out (hardware and disc wise), and has already had a movie that hit the 10 ten DVD sales charts. Which is pretty much the nail in the coffin, if anything.


Not saying you should get one or anything. Holding off for price drops and more titles is perfectly reasonable. But saying you're going to wait to see who wins hd disc format wars is silly.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on April 02, 2007, 09:38:45 AM
Well, I understand your point, but who's telling you that YOU MUST embrace Blu-Ray at a premium price? Stray is a mild fanboi for the PS2, but he's not trying to make you (or me, or Strazos) buy the thing so much as defend his purchase for him. Even schild's comment was something along the lines of "if you're cereal about games you will buy one eventually". Not for you right now? Cool, same here.

I mean, I resent the Sony-proprietry-format-movie-player thing as well, and would like to see both of the new formats fail dismally in the near-term. Even so, that's all meaningless for the moment and irrelevent to the points here.


You seem to be taking umbrage at being expected to go out and buy your entire DVD collection again on new shiny formats.. except.. well..  who said anything about that, anyway? They're both trying to be teh wave of teh future, and good for them. Doesn't mean you have to go toss your old copy of Scarface in the trash and buy it again on Blu-Ray anymore than the last special edition DVD of Scarface made you need to throw your initial release DVD in the bin..

I'm not seeing any MUST here at all. Even from Sony.

?




Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 02, 2007, 09:48:49 AM
Every 5 to 7 years, this happens in the gaming industry. Every 5 to 7 years, one console is more expensive than the others. Every 5 to 7 years, one of them launches earlier than the other ones. Every 5 to 7 years, a bunch of people gnash about how expensive things are and say things like "THEY'RE FORCING ME, WHY IS MICROSOFT EVEN PUTTING OUT A CONSOLE?"

Get over it.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: MrHat on April 02, 2007, 09:56:12 AM
I wish every 5-7 years my income would increase 50%.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on April 02, 2007, 10:45:20 AM
Sorry, watched the R&C video, and all I could do is shrug. Sorry, but I don't see how that makes an argument for BD.

I felt Captain Quark summed it up nicely.  I'm psyched.  If you haven't played any of the R&C games, I can see how you might not understand and quite possibly think that R&C is like Sly Cooper or Mario, however I am confident that the creativity of Insomniac can be brought to bear more fully on my brain if they have more storage and processing power.  Also, I won't have to get up off of the sofa.  I paid $600 so I would not have to pry my ass off of the sofa to power on my console, I don't want to fucking do it to swap discs.

Am I imagining things, or did Sony produce the CD and DVD standards?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 02, 2007, 10:46:30 AM
Can't speak for CD, but they sure as hell made DVD the juggernaut it is with the PS2.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on April 02, 2007, 10:51:38 AM
Ah, I was unclear on DVD, apparently it was a by-committee design.  CD, since I was assed to look, was a joint development between Sony and Philips.

I remember that I had a laserdisc player when I got that PS2.  I think I am sad that I don't have that The Good, The Bad and The Ugly laserdisc anymore, but the DVD version makes the hurt go away.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on April 02, 2007, 08:08:53 PM
Can't speak for CD, but they sure as hell made DVD the juggernaut it is with the PS2.

It helped, particularly in parts of Europe, but I don't think the PS2 can "take credit" for the massive uptake of DVD.


Not sure how successful either of these formats are going to be in the near-term, to be quite honest. I'm not sure the world at large is ready to upgrade from DVD for quite some time.



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on April 02, 2007, 08:12:57 PM
Can't speak for CD, but they sure as hell made DVD the juggernaut it is with the PS2.
It helped, particularly in parts of Europe, but I don't think the PS2 can "take credit" for the massive uptake of DVD.
It can in Japan.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Roac on April 02, 2007, 09:57:31 PM
It helped, particularly in parts of Europe, but I don't think the PS2 can "take credit" for the massive uptake of DVD.


Not sure how successful either of these formats are going to be in the near-term, to be quite honest. I'm not sure the world at large is ready to upgrade from DVD for quite some time.

DVD: Launched in (late) '96.  Around 46 million drives sold by 2000 (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.9), when the PS2 was launched.

Blu-Ray: Launched in '03.  Around 3 million PS3s sold by now ('07), when the PS3 was launched.  Most sites are saying the majority of Blu-Ray players are tied up in PS3s, but even trippling the number shows the uptake isn't as quick as it was with DVD.

Given roughly the same period to mature, Blu-Ray is lagging well behind where DVD was at.  I think a lot of that is cost; you really need to upgrade your TV to make any use of it with many people finding it difficult to do one let alone both.  They are and they want to, it's just taking more time.  Another is that there's a format war this time, whereas with DVDs, Sony gave up their format very early on meaning there was only one standard.  The third is that there isn't as noticable a jump in features to the general public when going from VHS -> DVD as DVD -> Blu-Ray. 

Blu-Ray also hasn't matured quite in the same fashion as DVD, so it's not all apples to apples; DVDs had been circulated in the US much longer than Blu-Rays have.  The PS2 didn't introduce DVD in either Japan or the US; the PS3 effectively introduced it to the US and somewhat so for Japan (from low Blu-Ray sales more than anything). 


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Trippy on April 02, 2007, 10:27:23 PM
It helped, particularly in parts of Europe, but I don't think the PS2 can "take credit" for the massive uptake of DVD.


Not sure how successful either of these formats are going to be in the near-term, to be quite honest. I'm not sure the world at large is ready to upgrade from DVD for quite some time.

DVD: Launched in (late) '96.  Around 46 million drives sold by 2000 (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.9), when the PS2 was launched.

Blu-Ray: Launched in '03.  Around 3 million PS3s sold by now ('07), when the PS3 was launched.  Most sites are saying the majority of Blu-Ray players are tied up in PS3s, but even trippling the number shows the uptake isn't as quick as it was with DVD.

Given roughly the same period to mature, Blu-Ray is lagging well behind where DVD was at.  I think a lot of that is cost; you really need to upgrade your TV to make any use of it with many people finding it difficult to do one let alone both.  They are and they want to, it's just taking more time.  Another is that there's a format war this time, whereas with DVDs, Sony gave up their format very early on meaning there was only one standard.  The third is that there isn't as noticable a jump in features to the general public when going from VHS -> DVD as DVD -> Blu-Ray. 

Blu-Ray also hasn't matured quite in the same fashion as DVD, so it's not all apples to apples; DVDs had been circulated in the US much longer than Blu-Rays have.  The PS2 didn't introduce DVD in either Japan or the US; the PS3 effectively introduced it to the US and somewhat so for Japan (from low Blu-Ray sales more than anything). 
Blu-Ray did not "launch" in 2003. The first consumer Blu-Ray player was released in June 2006 and movies weren't released until September 2006. Also while the PS2 didn't introduce the DVD to Japan, it *is* the reason why DVDs took off there. Before that time the Japanese (and most of the rest of Asia) were happy with their VCDs. The PS2 undercut the price of DVD players in Japan at that time by around $100 and there were people who bought the PS2 just to play DVDs since it was the cheapest player at that time. This is the same situation now where the PS3 is the cheapest Blu-Ray player available (ignoring special discounts).

To use the site you quote above there were 349,000 DVD players sold in the US in 1997, a year after it's release. Sony has sold over 1.35 million PS3s in the US alone so far. That's almost 4x the number of DVD players in its first full year in the US and the PS3 isn't even a year old yet.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 02, 2007, 11:51:33 PM
If we're going to play the numbers game, it's also worth mentioning that DVD didn't get it's first 100k sale of a movie disc until a year into it's release (Air Force One). Blu-Ray did it in less time with Casino Royale.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on April 03, 2007, 03:19:41 AM
..though those numbers may be skewed by the Blu-Ray movie redemption coupons that people have mentioned in these threads, along with of course a limited selection of films to choose from, and let's face it - James Bond appeals pretty decently to the young male-PS3-buying demographic, so with all these factors in place, you have a nice selection of circumstances that help to focus sales on a few particular titles, Bond being a big one.

As in, my Pioneer DVD player didn't come with any kind of "get one of these for free" or "get one of these for cheap" coupons. Different time, different place, different circumstances. Just as Trippy said that Asia was quite happy with their VCDs, I'm sure they're now pretty happy with their DVDs, and so it'll take a big force to change that. Obviously the PS3 wants to try and do it, but we'll see what happens. As most of Asia very much likes their movie and game software pirated, I can't see Blu-Ray taking off there until BR-R discs are cheap, plentiful, and nearly as trivial to copy as DVDs are.

One thing I can tell you pretty safely is that the PS3's not going to be undercutting cheap DVD players anytime soon...





Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 03, 2007, 04:19:03 AM
It hit 100,000 sales in the first week (ending March 18th). Euro PS3 owners (i.e. the first 500k who had those coupons) didn't even have PS3's when Casino Royale was released (PS3 launched on the 23rd). In fact, they should just be getting their copies now or soon (assuming they sent out for them right after the PS3 launch).


As for the stuff about demographics, sure that may true.. I just don't understand why that makes it invalid.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on April 03, 2007, 05:32:49 AM
Not saying it's invalid so much as an attempt at direct comparison is flawed (regardless of whether you're trying to talk up the PS3 and Blu-Ray or downplay it compared to the PS2 and DVD).

I mean, People tended to own some movies on VHS, but people didn't commonly own large collections in the same way that they (and we) do with DVD today. Now we're used to buying new release movies on DVD, which has both positives and negatives for any new format. Different world and all that.



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: HaemishM on April 03, 2007, 09:21:41 AM
DVD didn't have a real competing format when it was launched. VCD was nonexistent in the US, and VHS was there, but like Azazel said, it didn't have the same sales gumption that DVD has had.

Blu-Ray technically has 2 competing formats, HD-DVD and DVD itself, because the DVD market is huge compared to what the VHS PURCHASE market was when DVD was introduced.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 03, 2007, 09:55:27 AM
Ok, wait. That actually makes what I said more impressive than it is (which I didn't want to do). I thought it was interesting that it hit a sales milestone like that faster than DVD did. What the future holds is none of my business though.

.. But when you admit that it did it with stronger competition than DVD had, then I'm not sure how that helps your argument.


...

Anyhow, sales are sales. It could mean nothing in the longterm, but there's no point in downplaying it.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: HaemishM on April 03, 2007, 10:11:19 AM
I didn't say it helped or hurt my argument, it's just a fact.

DVD competes with both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, which will likely mean it'll take LONGER for Blu-Ray or HD-DVD to become the de facto standard, because it'll take longer for the prices on players to drop to Six-Pack level.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 03, 2007, 10:50:06 AM
Fair enough (though I meant Azazel's argument . I know you were just stating a fact).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Roac on April 03, 2007, 11:17:12 AM
The first consumer Blu-Ray player was released in June 2006

Bullshit (http://www.dvdburning.biz/blu-ray-disc-recorder.htm).  With DVDs, players came long before recorders; with Blu-Ray, the reverse was true.  Recorders have been out a good while now, and it's taken this long to get any interest.  And what interest there is, is almost entirely because of the PS3.  Which, good for Sony.  It certainly is responsible for pushing Blu-Ray out to people who wouldn't otherwise buy it, but that's not what happened with DVDs because they were already shipped in huge numbers.  I don't doubt that the PS2 helped (especially in Japan) but the DVD market was in much better shape several years after being introduced to market than Blu-Ray is. 


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 03, 2007, 11:24:45 AM
Consumer, retard.

$3,800 recorder != Consumer.

Edit: This is coming from someone who thinks $600 is a good deal for the PS3. IMO, Blu-Ray PC/IDE recorders aren't even consumer yet. $800 with $15 per disc is just too much.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 03, 2007, 11:31:47 AM
And besides that, it had little in common with Blu-Ray as we know it now since it didn't play bd-rom (the disc format which all current BD movies are produced on). At that point, it was just an alternative storage option.

It didn't ship outside of Japan either.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Roac on April 03, 2007, 11:52:18 AM
Consumer, retard.

$3,800 recorder != Consumer.

Again, I'm talking about product maturity.  I don't care who that product was marketed for, other than Blu-Ray has been around, and hasn't been in demand.  It has crept up to this point very slowly relative to the turnaround time for DVD; it has taken them this long to do something with it.  But if you'd rather use late '06 as the starting point, that's fine with me too; that just means that DVD has been out much longer than Blu-Ray when the PS2 / PS3 were each introduced relative to their players.  Either they've been out roughly equivalent periods with Blu-Ray having far less market penetration, or Blu-Ray is far younger relative to DVD.  Meaning, it's a less mature product.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 03, 2007, 12:11:20 PM
"Less mature" entails that something is missing from it.

It's fine. It is what it is. The last step was BD-J, and that's here now too.


And if you're now conceding that mid 06 is actually it's starting point, then it has had plenty more market penetration than DVD. We already went over this.



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: NiX on April 03, 2007, 12:24:24 PM
I wish every 5-7 years my income would increase 50%.
Oh it does, just that taxes go up with it. Enjoy life!


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on April 03, 2007, 01:36:58 PM
I hate to be a re-railing wet blanket, but my game-buying gland is swelling again.

Seems like Super Paper Mario will show up on April 9... Monday?  What the hell is that?  Nintendo is not Keeping the Tuesday.

I'm ready for Odin Sphere, or I would like to think I am.  Looks.  Nice.

I am hoping Atelier Iris 3 is more like Atelier Iris 1 than Atelier Iris 2.  But I still need to get Disgaea 2 and perhaps Ar Tonelico, depends on if I get bad word-of-mouth.

I might be more excited about Persona 3 if I knew a damn thing about it.

Ratchet & Clank!  Wooo!  GTA!  Wooo!  But, I need something closer than damn October.

What else I need is some New Shinytm along the lines of Metal Saga, freeform and shit.  It also needs to have better controls than Steambot.  Needs a good combat system, too.  I'm thinking Shin Megami Tensei combat with the FFXII no-random-encounter thing, and good/meaningful equipment although an example escapes me just now.  Item creation from Atelier Iris or maybe Vagrant Story would be nice, too.  And it better have some funny-ass dialogue!


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 03, 2007, 01:55:25 PM
Pretty slow month for gaming besides Paper Mario.


Fine with me though, I have too much on my plate already. I can barely play the ones I have :)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on April 03, 2007, 01:58:31 PM
Plate-shmate, I must aggregate everything into my collection.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 03, 2007, 02:04:52 PM
From now through 5/13 is uhmmm, questionable.

AI3 looks freaking amazing. NISA has the summer completely locked in as far as I can tell.

There's some shmups coming out over the next few weeks I'm stoked about though.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: HaemishM on April 03, 2007, 02:55:01 PM
Prince of Persia (Wii) 4/4
Bust-A-Move Bash (Wii) 4/18

Those are the Wii games this month.

Also, Super Mario Strikers (Mario Soccer) is going to have Wi-Fi multiplayer, up to 4 players.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 03, 2007, 03:16:20 PM
Choo choo, all aboard the Sega Saturn Train.

Wii, I'd like to introduce you to Dreamcast and Jaguar. I'm sure you've met Gamecube.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 03, 2007, 03:28:32 PM
I think the Saturn single-handedly turned me from Sega to Sony fanboi.


Though I did want to like the Dreamcast (hey there's an idea....I should buy another DC this month!).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 03, 2007, 03:42:43 PM
I...

LOVE the dreamcast. Best Awesome to Crap Ratio in the history of gaming.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 03, 2007, 03:52:56 PM
There's still a few big games I've never played through.


I never actually owned one either (and I call myself a Sega fan...).

The Dreamcast I had was a whore. It just kept getting tossed around between me and several friends over a few years. I don't know who had it last. I should snag one of those bundles off of eBay.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 03, 2007, 04:09:34 PM
Eventually I'll buy one of these (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sega-Dreamcast-Hello-Kitty-Pink-Console-Import-JAPAN_W0QQitemZ320097455026QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on April 03, 2007, 06:09:54 PM
Plate-shmate, I must aggregate everything into my collection.

Seriously, I keep buying games, but I'm not finishing any of them. I STILL have not finished LPT. Haven't played it in at least a week, and I just got Disgaea in late last week.

The pile on the floor next to my desk is growing far too quickly. I reckon I have at a good year's worth of content sitting on the floor.

And someone fucking stab me. I started playing Pokemon Emerald again, and have Pearl reserved.

Fuck. But at least I have enough stuff to chew on that I'm not really missing a 360 or something.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on April 03, 2007, 07:38:01 PM
Ok, wait. That actually makes what I said more impressive than it is (which I didn't want to do). I thought it was interesting that it hit a sales milestone like that faster than DVD did. What the future holds is none of my business though.

.. But when you admit that it did it with stronger competition than DVD had, then I'm not sure how that helps your argument.

Anyhow, sales are sales. It could mean nothing in the longterm, but there's no point in downplaying it.

I wasn't making an argument against it, I was also stating facts.

Positive: People are well trained and well into buying films these days. There's your milestone explained in another manner. Along with the people who buy PS3s being in mostly our Bond-liking demographic (though Bond reaches much older audiences than just us.)

Negative: People are used to buying shit on DVD. There are three competing formats. The large upgrade investment costs. DVD still looks pretty damn good to most people and is typically jam-packed with all the extras. To see the difference, people would need HD-TVs first. Most don't have HD-TVs, or see a need for the latest shiney till it drops in price. Especially all the Mums and Dads, and a large chunk of de wimmenz. Not to mention luddites like Haemish and myself.

And yeah, the DC was a damn nice machine. Big shame what happened to it.




Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 03, 2007, 07:44:24 PM
I have Pearl AND Diamond preordered. There's no shame. They're good games.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on April 03, 2007, 09:33:49 PM
One thing that getting back into these games has taught me is that battling other people kind of sucks. I mean, there are very few ways to stop someone from continually swapping out pokemon. Sure, you might get a few hits in, but the battle will be horribly disjointed and dull.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 03, 2007, 11:00:04 PM
I wasn't making an argument against it, I was also stating facts.

Positive: People are well trained and well into buying films these days. There's your milestone explained in another manner. Along with the people who buy PS3s being in mostly our Bond-liking demographic (though Bond reaches much older audiences than just us.)

Negative: People are used to buying shit on DVD. There are three competing formats. The large upgrade investment costs. DVD still looks pretty damn good to most people and is typically jam-packed with all the extras. To see the difference, people would need HD-TVs first. Most don't have HD-TVs, or see a need for the latest shiney till it drops in price. Especially all the Mums and Dads, and a large chunk of de wimmenz. Not to mention luddites like Haemish and myself.

And yeah, the DC was a damn nice machine. Big shame what happened to it.




Why can't good sales just be good sales anymore? I understand what you're saying and all, but it's just needlessly dismissive (and a bit longwinded at that).

Besides (to get a little longwinded myself), you act like this about whether everyone needs hi-def experiences now or something. It isn't. I'm merely saying that the technologies that people are going to adopt sooner or later are being decided now. This isn't about mom and dad buying blu-ray players -- It's about the film industry and early consumers making the choices that will give mom and dad little choice besides blu-ray in the future. Just as it was with dvd, vhs, or any general trend in technology (mom and dad had zero say in whether their computers would have usb ports and no floppy drives either). Mom and dad do not dictate the popularity of things -- they're so far late into the game that the only thing they're using by the time they get there is the popular thing.

This little line of conversation we had here started with Haemish still taking a wait and see approach with hd-dvd and brd. I basically told him that it's over. Blu-Ray has made just about every step possible to guarantee it will be the standard hi-def disc format. Industry wide support (biggest holdout is still Universal though), more hardware sold, and more discs being sold (not just Casino Royale. It's across the board. Casino is just the first one to get DVD numbers. Which isn't a small feat, no matter what you think). It'll take a miracle now for it to compete at the same level. At this point, what Blu-Ray is really competing with is IPTV, stuff like the iTunes store, Cable/FiberOptic OnDemand, etc., etc..


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Azazel on April 04, 2007, 07:36:33 PM
Doesn't every Blu-Ray disc need to have a licence fee paid to Sony though?



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 04, 2007, 08:02:19 PM
It goes to a BR disc association (Sony, Matushita, Phillips, Hitachi, Dell, Sharp, among others). I don't what the exact fees are, but for all types of content delievery, there are licenses involved. Various codecs have them (MPEG, VC-1), encryption routines have them (CSS, AACS), as do other disc formats (HD-DVD, DVD), etc..


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 05, 2007, 06:55:30 AM
As a HD-TV owner and a guy who thinks Haemish is just stubborn on that front and will be kicking himself in four or five years when he finally gets one:

I won't be getting a blu-ray or an hd-dvd player for a good long time. If I do it'll probably be if and when I get a PS3 and even then I don't see myself buying any Blu-ray discs until I'm 100% positive they've bought the format wars. Like most people have said, DvD is pretty much good enough.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Sky on April 05, 2007, 07:46:32 AM
As another member of the hdtv kool kids klub, I'm not getting either format, either. I disagree about DVD being 'good enough', I just don't think it's worth the dough for a player yet (even the 360 add-on). I'll be waiting for the formats to be more widely available (I borrow most of my movies from the library and we have zero HD movies in the 43-library system) and the players to get cheaper. I'll probably get a combo player when they hit $50 or so (for my pc).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: HaemishM on April 05, 2007, 09:31:12 AM
I'm not saying HDTV isn't something I'll get in the future. I'm not saying HD-DVD or Blu-Ray isn't something I'll get in the future. I'm saying RIGHT NOW, and for at least a year, it holds no interest for me because it's value does not outweigh its costs. ESPECIALLY for gaming.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Big Gulp on April 06, 2007, 04:54:23 PM
To see the difference, people would need HD-TVs first. Most don't have HD-TVs, or see a need for the latest shiney till it drops in price. Especially all the Mums and Dads, and a large chunk of de wimmenz. Not to mention luddites like Haemish and myself.

Even with an HDTV if you buy an upscaling DVD player (usually around $100, so they're a drop in the bucket compared to the alternative formats) you get a huge boost in visual quality.  Definitely not as good as either BluRay or HD-DVD, but good enough for me, especially considering that those are prohibitively expensive still, I have a huge library of ripped DVDs, and burnable media for those formats are practically non-existent/incredibly expensive.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Murgos on April 06, 2007, 05:00:53 PM
360 upscales.  It's not teh AMAZING but it does look better.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Big Gulp on April 06, 2007, 05:32:04 PM
360 upscales.  It's not teh AMAZING but it does look better.

The 360 only upscales VGA connections, it doesn't upscale DVD's if you're just using component cables.  Neither does my DVD player, though, I had to use my one and only HDMI connection to hook up the DVD player.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: naum on April 06, 2007, 05:38:45 PM
HDTV owner here has no plans to buy into BluRay or HDDVD schemes… …might consider a HD DVR or better, stream it all from connected computer… …a big FU to those encrypted formats, I not buying anything that I can't have the bits… …and while I've not ripped all my DVDs, all my favorites I have backed up in digital format…

XBOX 360 sweet, but overpriced and isn't a team player (won't play with my Macs, unless I am incorrect on that notion) when it comes to multimedia needs… …and there isn't enough compelling gaming to sway me (haven't even finished the half-dozen Wii games that are sitting on top of my TV stand shelf)…



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: squirrel on April 07, 2007, 01:56:44 AM
XBOX 360 sweet, but overpriced and isn't a team player (won't play with my Macs, unless I am incorrect on that notion) when it comes to multimedia needs…

Depends on what you're looking for. It won't play nice with your mac for video but for music/photos it'll sorta play nice with Connect 360 (http://www.nullriver.com/index/products/connect360). Usual BS applies, Apple DRM files won't stream etc. But for a basic setup it's fine. I use it a lot for my extensive iTunes library. That said, I also have a dedicated multi-media pc so I don't need any video capabilities.

Note: I experimented with XP/Vista as a media server to my 360 - the restrictions on format rendered that exercise useless as well. I just connected my PC to the tv directly and run Ubuntu now.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on April 18, 2007, 10:59:50 AM
IGN has a 5 page preview of Too Human, with some hands-on impressions (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/781/781085p1.html).  So... Action RPG with four player online co-op, a complex skill tree system for customizing whichever of the 5 classes you pick, and a fairly distinct control system for combat (left and right triggers fire your left and right guns, one of the analog sticks controls melee combat rather than using a stick for camera movement).  This game is either going to be a lot of fun, or it's going to end up being fucked largely due to camera issues.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 18, 2007, 11:06:51 AM
Odin Sphere just got a release date of May 22nd. Just 5 days after the JPY release date. On that note, it has both Japanese and English Voices.

(http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/773/773357/odin-sphere-20070316005723176.jpg)

^_^


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 18, 2007, 11:18:23 AM
Speaking of Japanese and English voices, Blue Dragon gets an early release date (sort of): May 22nd for Singapore.

It's a westernized disc, so NA will be able to run it. You just won't have English dubs. Will still be Japanese audio -- but with English subs (probably for the better anyways).


Too Human... Hmm.

Bald Space Marines + Norse Gods. Winning combo there  :-D


Just kidding. Maybe it'll be good. Eternal Darkness wasn't a bad game at least.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on April 18, 2007, 11:58:51 AM
I will give it a whack just because of Silicon Knights, but Norse space-marines... yeah.

So it's Atelier Iris 3 on May 15 and Odin Sphere on May 22, then.  I need a Culdcept date for the financial plan.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 18, 2007, 12:02:12 PM
Culdcept is Junulyish.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on April 18, 2007, 12:03:48 PM
Which makes me suspicious that it will really be Augustish.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on April 18, 2007, 01:26:48 PM
Or possibly even Septoberish.

I still need to give the original Culdcept a shot.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: tazelbain on April 18, 2007, 01:39:34 PM
I was really unhappy with Culdsept on PS2.  The starter deck was completely ineffective to play through the campaign.  Even after grinding 20 games in custom battles my deck hardly any better because the number of different cards was so big and most did fit with my deck.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on April 19, 2007, 07:49:57 AM
I still need to give the original Culdcept a shot.

Jesus Christ, have you played anything, ever?  If you like MTG then you will probably like Culdcept.  Your opponents are anime toons rather than sweaty beardos and pre-teen whiners.

EDIT: As for the deck-building, there is a grind but it can be done with some effort.  I don't want to say that you are doing it wrong, but it's a lot like deck-building in MTG to me and that mean practice, trial and error, and luck.  I almost beat a djinn deck using sea sprites and The Abyss, so you might say I like to get creative in the deck-building.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 22, 2007, 10:25:30 AM
Capcom JP has some new screens of DMC4. Me like :rock: (though to be fair, the shadowing sucks. Hopefully that comes later).

Supposedly (only going by GAF), it's the LP engine, capable of running @ 1080p/60fps.


(http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/berial_ss03.jpg)

(http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/berial_ss05.jpg)

(http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/berial_ss02.jpg)

(http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/images/illust/berial_top03.jpg)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 22, 2007, 10:49:33 AM
That game is going to be positively gorgeous in motion.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 22, 2007, 12:11:05 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/lonestar627/Games/dmc4_nero_godhand.jpg)

I want to see this in action.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 22, 2007, 12:23:53 PM
Yea, when I saw them at Gaf I was like - that looks serious.

And then I thought about S.cry.ed.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on April 22, 2007, 01:17:31 PM
Har har!


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on April 22, 2007, 04:14:00 PM
I fucking hate S.cry.ed.


Carry on.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 23, 2007, 04:06:13 AM
Mass Effect delayed (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/26694/Mass-Effect-arriving-this-September) a bit (September), for those who had their summer hopes up.

Supposedly, Halo 3 may be launching in September (http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/11702/Halo_3_Launching_In_September.html) now as well.


Microsoft trying to put all of their egg's in the fall basket like Sony or what? All I know is that there are too many games sleighted for a fall release. Be it first party or third. Something's gotta give.

[EDIT] The lineup of these two systems during this timeframe will either kill the Wii's momentum for good, or horribly backfire (simply because gamers, even diehard ones, may not have the cash to make a significant impact for all of these titles).

I don't think there will be a middle ground result here. This is like the D-Day of game launches or something.

Hypothetically speaking (I know I did this elsewhere before, but I gotta do it again...), it'll look like this:

X360
------------
Halo 3
Mass Effect
Blue Dragon
Too Human
Bioshock
Culdcept
Moto GP 2007
Huxley
Shadowrun
Virtua Fighter 5 (timed exclusive)
Unreal Tournament III
possibly Eternal Sonata
possibly Lost Odyssey
possibly Ace Combat 6


PLAYSTATION 3
-----------------------
Heavenly Sword
R&C Future
Metal Gear 4
SingStar
Uncharted
Lair (sooner or later than fall..)
Monster Kingdom
Killzone 2
Hot Shots Golf 5
Getaway 3
Saints Row (timed exclusive)
Warhawk
Unreal Tournament III
Little Big Planet
Home

Cross-Platform
--------------------
GTA4
Burnout 5
Assassin's Creed
Mercenaries 2
Skate
Turok
Fatal Inertia
Bladestorm
Rock Band
Frontlines
Hellboy
Stranglehold
Blacksite Area 51
Dark Sector
NHL, Soccer, Football, and NBA titles
Stunman Ignition
Indiana Jones
Golden Axe
The Simpsons Game
MoH: Airborne



So yeah. You could cut that list in half, and I still wouldn't see how the fuck they're going to sell a lot of these games.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 23, 2007, 05:34:59 AM
Mass Effect is a month or so from now. So is Shadowrun.

Huxley will slip, again. Or will be unplayable.

UT3 might slip to 2008. Especially if Enemy Territory takes off. We'll see about that though.

Too Human may end up being crap. Dennis Dyack is crazy.

Ace Combat 6 and Eternal Sonata/Trusty Bell are pretty guaranteed. To sell well, they need to come out this Fall anyway. 2008 will be big for Sony IMO. Microsoft needs to get that stuff out there.

-

Not much to say. Sony has a strong fall. Saints Row means nothing though since GTA will be coming out.

They have some other big bombs they can drop if they get finished (not likely): White Knight Story and Monster Kingdom.

-

If HOME comes out in time, cross platform will become more of an issue.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 23, 2007, 05:45:55 AM
Read the link, they delayed Mass Effect until September.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 23, 2007, 05:49:53 AM
That's only going to hurt Mass Effect. Especially if Square actually gets FFXIII out of the gates in 07. And here I thought the whole point was for it to be a MASS EFFECT SUMMERSTRAVAGANZA.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Murgos on April 23, 2007, 08:00:41 AM
I was really looking forward to having Mass Effect soon.  Drat.

I watched a couple of the video clips of Too Human over at IGN.  It was off my radar before but now I'm looking forward to it.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on April 23, 2007, 11:00:58 AM
Mass Effect delayed (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/26694/Mass-Effect-arriving-this-September) a bit (September), for those who had their summer hopes up.

That's likely given that if it were coming out in May or June a release date probably would have been announced already, but according to Bioware a September release has not actually been confirmed yet.  Also the September "announcement" came at a European event, and may have been referring to the European release date.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Furiously on April 23, 2007, 11:30:13 AM
I'm not saying HDTV isn't something I'll get in the future. I'm not saying HD-DVD or Blu-Ray isn't something I'll get in the future. I'm saying RIGHT NOW, and for at least a year, it holds no interest for me because it's value does not outweigh its costs. ESPECIALLY for gaming.

I wouldn't have pulled the trigger if I didn't have $150 worth of credit at Best Buy, and netflix announcing they were stocking HD-DVD's. Replacing my library with slightly better versions - not going to happy. I really think consumbers are getting a bit tired of this. If they really are only selling us "The rights to view" then I should be able to go exchange my DVD for a better quality new format for a minimial charge. Not buying my "rights" again.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 23, 2007, 11:40:40 AM
Mass Effect delayed (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/26694/Mass-Effect-arriving-this-September) a bit (September), for those who had their summer hopes up.

That's likely given that if it were coming out in May or June a release date probably would have been announced already, but according to Bioware a September release has not actually been confirmed yet.  Also the September "announcement" came at a European event, and may have been referring to the European release date.

While September wouldn't be surprising comment on the Bioware forums has been "No comment" about the September date. I'm pinning my hopes that it is a European release date but I think it's roughly like hoping the super secret gold copy has all the debug come out great so my MMO won't play like it did in the Beta.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on April 23, 2007, 12:05:15 PM
Mass Effect delayed (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/26694/Mass-Effect-arriving-this-September) a bit (September), for those who had their summer hopes up.

That's likely given that if it were coming out in May or June a release date probably would have been announced already, but according to Bioware a September release has not actually been confirmed yet.  Also the September "announcement" came at a European event, and may have been referring to the European release date.

While September wouldn't be surprising comment on the Bioware forums has been "No comment" about the September date. I'm pinning my hopes that it is a European release date but I think it's roughly like hoping the super secret gold copy has all the debug come out great so my MMO won't play like it did in the Beta.

It's not really like that at all.  It's more like this is the 3rd time a release date has been supposedly "leaked" for Mass Effect and so far nothing points to this one as being any more solid than rumors of a May or June release.  It could end up being released in September.  It could end up being released in July or August too for all I know.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Sky on April 24, 2007, 07:41:14 AM
I wouldn't have pulled the trigger if I didn't have $150 worth of credit at Best Buy, and netflix announcing they were stocking HD-DVD's. Replacing my library with slightly better versions - not going to happy. I really think consumbers are getting a bit tired of this. If they really are only selling us "The rights to view" then I should be able to go exchange my DVD for a better quality new format for a minimial charge. Not buying my "rights" again.
Now excuse me while I go hand-crank my gramophone. There are albums I've had to buy seven or eight times, different formats, stolen, etc. It's not like this is new. Why would you replace your DVDs? Aren't players backward-compatible? Just buy new stuff in HD and replace lost/stolen/broken stuff with the new format. Same as everyone's done since portable media was invented.

I do like the word consumbers, though.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on April 24, 2007, 10:52:32 AM
So yeah. You could cut that list in half, and I still wouldn't see how the fuck they're going to sell a lot of these games.

Kane & Lynch apparently is also getting released towards the end of the year for the PS3 and 360.  Eternal Sonata is also looking like it's getting a PS3 release at some point.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 24, 2007, 11:01:35 AM
I feel sorry for that game then. It's not going to garner much attention to begin with (well....maybe it will....Probably has more going for it than, say, Mercenaries).

[EDIT] Then again, it appears to be the only big thing Eidos has planned. Maybe they'll market the fuck out of it.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 24, 2007, 11:16:17 AM
I'm gonna like Kane & Lynch.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on April 24, 2007, 11:20:27 AM
I might like it too. It's just... Well, you know my point. These games would sell better without that kind of competition.

It'll be interesting to see what happens though. Maybe all of us game starved console owners (PS3 users more than 360 users, of course) will be so desperate by that point that we'll snatch up everything we can get our hands on.


Yippee to that Eternal Sonata news btw.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Stormwaltz on April 24, 2007, 11:43:23 AM

While September wouldn't be surprising comment on the Bioware forums has been "No comment" about the September date.

The official word has been, and still is, "if you don't see it on BioWare.com, it's a only a rumor."

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/782/782633p1.html


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on April 24, 2007, 11:48:01 AM
I'm going to start judging how Bioware is going by your songlist. It's looking pretty emo right now. So, should we presume Q1 08?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on April 24, 2007, 08:18:50 PM
I'm gonna like Kane & Lynch.

I'm gonna go with interested, but not overly excited right now.  The dev team on this has mostly done Hitman games in the past, which I suppose is a reasonably popular series, but not something that's every really grabbed me.  So far Kane & Lynch looks good, plus it's got co-op, so I'm hoping for the best, but it's not nearly as high on my list as some of the other stuff coming out around that time.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Stormwaltz on April 25, 2007, 09:26:07 AM
I'm going to start judging how Bioware is going by your songlist. It's looking pretty emo right now. So, should we presume Q1 08?

I'm a pretty emo guy.

Why don't you love me, Schild?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 25, 2007, 09:50:10 AM
Quote from: Riggswolfe
While September wouldn't be surprising comment on the Bioware forums has been "No comment" about the September date. I'm pinning my hopes that it is a European release date but I think it's roughly like hoping the super secret gold copy has all the debug come out great so my MMO won't play like it did in the Beta.

Jesus. I was rereading this thread and found my own post nearly incoherent. I needed punctuation badly. That's what happens when I post at work on my way out the door from my office.

To actually contribute to the topic, yeah, I'm hoping this release date is just a rumor. However, I tend to be negative rumors over positive most of the time. This, for me, is a negative. *points at his avatard*


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Sky on April 25, 2007, 09:53:55 AM
When It's Done™

Wanting a game before that is silly bordering on irresponsible.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 25, 2007, 10:00:08 AM
When It's Done™

Wanting a game before that is silly bordering on irresponsible.

I know. :) Doesn't mean I'm not impatient and hoping it is close to done.

ETA: BTW, wanting a game before that is normal. Demanding it before that is what you're thinking of.

BTW, found this on the Bioware forums. It's not "official" but close enough for my tastes.

Quote from: ESRB
Mass Effect Microsoft M  Blood, Partial Nudity, Sexual Themes, Violence Xbox 360


Link (http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on April 25, 2007, 10:03:19 AM
Oooo, partial nudity.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on April 25, 2007, 10:05:02 AM
Partial nudity can mean plumber's crack.  Keep those expectations low.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 25, 2007, 10:06:52 AM
Well,honestly, it is probably an early rating before all the back and forth that games usually do to get the rating they want. I hope they stick with this though, an M rated RPG from Bioware would rock.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Sky on April 25, 2007, 12:34:33 PM
Quote
ETA: BTW, wanting a game before that is normal. Demanding it before that is what you're thinking of.
Good point. I've made the mistake of looking at comments thread on teh intardtube. OMG WHY SI THSI GAEM TAKIN SOOOO LOOONG WTF IM ABUT 2 LOOSE INTREST! I eats a tiny bit of my soul.

Remember, I'm a total Spore fanboi, biding my time is also slowly chewing away at my sanity (which is a light snack at best anyway).

Just remember, Storm: PC VERSION. :)  :evil:  :wink:


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 25, 2007, 04:13:23 PM
Remember, I'm a total Spore fanboi, biding my time is also slowly chewing away at my sanity (which is a light snack at best anyway).

Spore is the only PC game I am looking forward to


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Sky on April 26, 2007, 07:22:23 AM
I'm also looking forward to Mass Effect when it hits the pc in 2009 ;)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on May 01, 2007, 12:55:38 AM
We have a PS3 and a Wii thread, maybe we need a catchall thread for the 360.  Anyhow, XBLA is offering up three new games on Wednesday:  Centipede, Millipede, and most importantly, they're finally getting around to releasing Settlers of Catan, which I've been looking forward to for quite a while now.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on May 01, 2007, 02:26:56 AM
Why IGN is worthless 101 (http://insider.ign.com/teasers/784/784632.html)

You need to be a "Insider" for that crap?


I give this news to you for free folks! ;)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on May 03, 2007, 04:22:01 AM
Odin Sphere Comments at link (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=9917.msg296944#msg296944).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on May 04, 2007, 03:42:02 PM
I have nothing to add here at the moment except for the fact that Burnout 5 sounds a lot better than Burnout Paradise.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on May 09, 2007, 07:33:11 PM
Gundam Musou is confirmed for a US release now (under the title Dynasty Warriors: Gundam).  Not surprising in and of itself, but what is a bit surprising is that it's also getting released on the 360.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on August 02, 2007, 04:07:34 PM
With todays announcement that GTA4 would be delayed until mid-2008, I thought it would be interesting to come back and take a look at this:


Mass Effect delayed (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/26694/Mass-Effect-arriving-this-September) a bit (September), for those who had their summer hopes up.

Supposedly, Halo 3 may be launching in September (http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/11702/Halo_3_Launching_In_September.html) now as well.


Microsoft trying to put all of their egg's in the fall basket like Sony or what? All I know is that there are too many games sleighted for a fall release. Be it first party or third. Something's gotta give.

[EDIT] The lineup of these two systems during this timeframe will either kill the Wii's momentum for good, or horribly backfire (simply because gamers, even diehard ones, may not have the cash to make a significant impact for all of these titles).

I don't think there will be a middle ground result here. This is like the D-Day of game launches or something.

Hypothetically speaking (I know I did this elsewhere before, but I gotta do it again...), it'll look like this:

X360
------------
Halo 3
Mass Effect  Finally got a release date for Nov.
Blue Dragon
Too Human  Due out sometime next year now... maybe
Bioshock
Culdcept       Q1 2008
Moto GP 2007
Huxley           Who knows?
Shadowrun
Virtua Fighter 5 (timed exclusive)   Oct. 30th.  Online mode and rev. C added
Unreal Tournament III   Should be in multiplatform list.  360 version delayed until sometime next year.
possibly Eternal Sonata  Mid-Sept. I think
possibly Lost Odyssey    Supposedly still on track for 2007 release
possibly Ace Combat 6   Oct.
Beautiful Katamari  (Fall)

PLAYSTATION 3
-----------------------
Heavenly Sword
R&C Future
Metal Gear 4 2008
SingStar
Uncharted
Lair (sooner or later than fall..)  Short delay from Aug. to Sept
Monster Kingdom I assume this is Folklore, due in Oct.
Killzone 2 2008
Hot Shots Golf 5
Getaway 3 2008
Saints Row (timed exclusive) Canceled
Warhawk
Unreal Tournament III
Little Big Planet
Home

Cross-Platform
--------------------
GTA4  2008
Burnout 5 Q1 2008
Assassin's Creed
Mercenaries 2
Skate
Turok 2008
Fatal Inertia Delayed indefinitely on PS3.  360 demo makes the game seem like a steaming pile of crap anyway.
Bladestorm
Rock Band
Frontlines
Hellboy Mid-2008
Stranglehold
Blacksite Area 51
Dark Sector 2008
NHL, Soccer, Football, and NBA titles
Stunman Ignition
Indiana Jones 2008.  Also Lego Indy announced for 2008
Golden Axe 2008
The Simpsons Game
MoH: Airborne



So yeah. You could cut that list in half, and I still wouldn't see how the fuck they're going to sell a lot of these games.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 02, 2007, 04:13:27 PM
PS3:
LAIR
Stranglehold w/ Hard Boiled
Heavenly Sword
Warhawk
Eye of Judgement
Assassin's Creed
Sing Star
Bladestorm
Haze
Metal Gear Solid 4
Uncharted

360:
Blue Dragon
Kengo
Skate
Eternal Sonata
Orochi
Lost Odyssey
Kingdom Under Fire
Beautiful Katamari
Mass Effect
Virtua Fighter 5
Army of Two
Kane & Lynch
Rock Band
Guitar Hero 3

Wii:
Nights
SSMB
Wii ShFit

I made this list on another site. Mine does not have 2008 stuff on it. Cross Platform things are listed under the system I'm buying it for. Every notable release is listed, for the most part. I know I left a few off, mostly due to possible release date fuckups (like Project H.A.M.M.E.R. not hitting in 07 for the Wii). Monster Kingdom is not Folklore. 2 Different Games. Monster Kingdom, the PS3 title, is a new Jewel Summoner which came out for the PSP.  They played some name switching games. HOME isn't a game, though it is awesome. I'm probably not buying Singstar. If Rock Band has home stuff, I'll get it for the PS3.

Yea, so it's interesting. The Wii still sucks my balls.

There's some smaller indy shit coming out for the PS3 and 360 that I didn't list. These are NOTABLE releases. Except for Kengo. God bless Kengo, though it will suck.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on August 02, 2007, 04:30:26 PM
Unless you're going by Fiscal Year, you might want to take MGS4 off the list.  And I just assumed he was referring to Folksoul as Monster Kindgom as some sites list "Monster Kingdom: Unknown Realms" as one of the previous working titles for Folksoul.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 02, 2007, 04:36:48 PM
MGS4 has been confirmed multiple times to be out in America by Dec 31st 2007 on the PS3.

Andddddddddddddddddddddddddd, that's not happening. Fine, ok, no MGS. In my case, that happens to mean nothing.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on August 02, 2007, 04:53:06 PM
You passin' on Super Mario Galaxy (Nov. 12th), or did you just forget to list it?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on August 03, 2007, 06:51:07 AM
August is going to be an awesome month for 360 owners. Carcasonne and Cattan could only hold me for so long.

Bioshock
Two Worlds (I'm very cautiously hopeful about this one.)
Stranglehold
Blue Dragon
Dynasty Warriors Gundam. (If you're me and enjoy mindless co-op play with friends.)

In September I only care about Halo 3 and Eternal Sonata.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Sky on August 03, 2007, 07:03:48 AM
Aw, that GTA slip kinda sucks, though I won't really complain about keeping it in the oven until it's done. But that means the pc version probably won't be out until next fall instead of next spring, they've always released the console GTA octoberish and the pc version the next april or may.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 03, 2007, 07:07:14 AM
You passin' on Super Mario Galaxy (Nov. 12th), or did you just forget to list it?

I'm passing on any Nintendo published Wii game. Haven't bought a Mario since Mario World anyway.

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Two Worlds (I'm very cautiously hopeful about this one.)

Don't be. It sucks balls.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on August 03, 2007, 07:44:31 AM
Eh.  Sucks about GTAIV, but there's always Ratchet & Clank.  Sweet, sweet Ratchet & Clank.

Looks like my short list is now Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, and R&CF.  Stupid Sony.  And Bioshock, I think, since the wife is excited about it for some reason.  Probably because she has never played System Shock or Thief.  She also wants to play Assassin's Creed.

EDIT:  The list also contains Persona 3 and Disgaea 2.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on August 03, 2007, 08:44:08 AM

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Two Worlds (I'm very cautiously hopeful about this one.)

Don't be. It sucks balls.

You've gotten to play an early version or something?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 03, 2007, 08:46:10 AM
It's been out for months and months in Europe.

Not a single nice word has been said about it.

Hell, even their promotional videos perform for shit.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: HaemishM on August 03, 2007, 09:46:58 AM
Wii:
Nights
SSMB
Wii ShFit

You forgot a good bit in your Wii hate.

Victorious Boxers - September-ish
Metroid Prime: Corruption - October?
FIFA 08 - October
Fire Emblem
Dragon Quest (I think that was the series)
Mario Strikers Charged - Just came out
Star Trek Conquest - November?
Guitar Hero III


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 03, 2007, 09:53:05 AM
Fire Emblem won't hit this year. Dragon Quest Monsters Sword isn't a dragon quest game. It's a piece of shit side project. Why would I list Guitar Hero 3 under the Wii? Are you really going to play a Star Trek game? If the controls don't suck in Victorious Boxers, maybe, but VB always gets delayed. I don't play sports games.

I didn't leave out anything.



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on August 03, 2007, 12:09:26 PM
You passin' on Super Mario Galaxy (Nov. 12th), or did you just forget to list it?

I'm passing on any Nintendo published Wii game. Haven't bought a Mario since Mario World anyway.

So then I guess you aren't getting Smash Bros. when it comes out either then.

Also, not sure why Fire Emblem wouldn't hit this year.  It's been out in Japan since Februrary.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on August 03, 2007, 05:24:35 PM
Sigh, PS3 getting Creed before the 360?

At least that will give me more time to finish Mass Effect.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Margalis on August 03, 2007, 05:37:17 PM
Is Creed supposed to be any good? My understanding of E3 was that it was a dissapointment.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on August 03, 2007, 06:18:47 PM
I like the concept, so I will play it. Fuck the media-at-large.

ALso, I have no idea what has been said about Mass Effect; I have avoided the thread we have on it. I'll just play it.


Though remember, I actually really liked Jade Empire.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on August 04, 2007, 03:26:15 AM
Sigh, PS3 getting Creed before the 360?


Did I miss something?  Everything I've seen still places both the PS3 and 360 versions in November.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 04, 2007, 03:57:32 PM
Assassin's Creed drops at the same time, yes.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 09, 2007, 09:51:01 PM
(http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4980/ps3lineup800pxyv9.jpg)

Neogaf comes through again. I like this picture.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on August 10, 2007, 02:44:05 AM
They're stretching things a little when they've got to put what's essentially a Gran Turismo V demo on there.  Eye of Judgement, Folklore, and Uncharted all look good, but for a 9 month list (even taking into account that they didn't put every game on there), it looks pretty lacklustre.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 10, 2007, 07:18:53 AM
They're stretching things a little when they've got to put what's essentially a Gran Turismo V demo on there.  Eye of Judgement, Folklore, and Uncharted all look good, but for a 9 month list (even taking into account that they didn't put every game on there), it looks pretty lacklustre.

Compare it to the Wii or 360 release list before you say "lacklustre."


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on August 10, 2007, 07:34:22 AM
Has LBP always been set for spring?  Crap.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on August 10, 2007, 07:39:52 AM


Compare it to the Wii or 360 release list before you say "lacklustre."

You're joking right? In just the next 4 months or so the 360 is getting more good games than I saw on that entire 9 month PS3 release list. Now, the Wii's lineup might suck, I haven't bothered to check but the 360? No way.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 10, 2007, 09:13:30 AM
Yeah, there are definitely some huge games hitting soon for the 360.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: LK on August 10, 2007, 05:09:37 PM
It was like this last year.  July / August 06 was the start of a sweet period of game releases that lasted until October / November.  We're back in that period.  So many great games in the next 4 months, and then maybe 1 good title every 2 months after that.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on August 10, 2007, 10:30:20 PM
They're stretching things a little when they've got to put what's essentially a Gran Turismo V demo on there.  Eye of Judgement, Folklore, and Uncharted all look good, but for a 9 month list (even taking into account that they didn't put every game on there), it looks pretty lacklustre.

Compare it to the Wii or 360 release list before you say "lacklustre."

That would be really, really, unfair to the PS3.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Big Gulp on August 11, 2007, 07:01:14 AM
That would be really, really, unfair to the PS3.

Uncharted looks decent, but not "buy a PS3" decent.  Little Big Planet is the only game on that list that trips my trigger, but frankly I've got too much shit already unplayed on my 360, and that's not even taking Mass Effect and Bioshock into account...  I can guarantee that I will give into my inner consumer whore sooner or later and pick up a PS3, but I'm trying to forestall that moment as long as I possibly can.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on August 13, 2007, 11:19:31 AM
Alright, I went through several demos on XBOX 360

Blue Dragon: Nice but the art style annoyed me as did the voice of the weird ass semi-cat person.  Also, the game is too old school final fantasy, down to the little attack, magic, item menu. I'll still get it I think but I'm not expecting much out of it and I may hold off until October to hold me between Halo 3 and Mass Effect.

Eternal Sonata: Much cooler than I expected. The graphics are nice, the battles are interesting and interactive. I liked the music (duh) and each character had a clear role while being interesting even in the brief demo. Must buy.

Bioshock: Downloading right now

Stranglehold: I had a hardon the whole time I played this demo. Sliding down a stair railing and then shooting neon signs to crash down and land on someone's head seconds before I slide along the ground on a grease spill and fill 4 people with lead? Then getting precise shots and proceeding to shoot one guy in the throat, one guy in the nuts, and a third guy in the hand and then the knee just because I could? Must buy. I'm literally counting the days.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Rasix on August 13, 2007, 11:25:45 AM
Alright, I went through several demos on XBOX 360

Blue Dragon: Nice but the art style annoyed me as did the voice of the weird ass semi-cat person.  Also, the game is too old school final fantasy, down to the little attack, magic, item menu. I'll still get it I think but I'm not expecting much out of it and I may hold off until October to hold me between Halo 3 and Mass Effect.


I've been so psyched about Blue Dragon ever since I got a 360.  Hell, it's part of the reason I got one in the first place.  However, I got the same impression you did.  It's old school and fairly vanilla.  I have no doubts it'll be a rewarding experience and a good game, it's just other stuff is grabbing my attention more.

IE, the other demos you mentioned.   Bioshock and Stranglehold are no brainers and the Eternal Sonata demo was a lot more interesting experience than the Blue Dragon demo.  I liked the art style a lot more also.

Sad to say, but it (Blue Dragon) can wait.  Maybe even wait for a price drop.

Edit: as a related aside, downloading demos for the 360 is great.  I would have never glanced twice at Stranglehold if I hadn't played the demo (not a big Woo fan, don't own a single shooter for the 360, haven't bought a FPS since HL2 (didn't finish)).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Murgos on August 13, 2007, 11:28:17 AM
I'll jump on the band wagon.  I wan unimpressed with the Blue Dragon demo and I have been jonesing for a JRPG.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 13, 2007, 11:43:38 AM
I'll jump on the band wagon.  I wan unimpressed with the Blue Dragon demo and I have been jonesing for a JRPG.

Persona 3.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Ironwood on August 13, 2007, 12:09:54 PM
It's been out for months and months in Europe.

Not a single nice word has been said about it.

Hell, even their promotional videos perform for shit.


How come we get all the shit first ?

Also, Assasins Creed.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: murdoc on August 13, 2007, 12:46:51 PM
The Eternal Sonata demo kicked the shit out of the Blue Dragon demo. I'm admittedly not a JRPG fan, but I am seriously considering grabbing ES when it drops.

I'm giddy that BioShock demo will be downloaded when I get home. Finally, the gaming season is upon me.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on August 13, 2007, 01:10:36 PM
I'm glad I'm not alone. I remember coming away from Blue Dragon with a "meh" vibe. Out of the one hour demo I played maybe 15 or 20 minutes. My gut instinct is that it was done that way on purpose to reel in as much Japanese business as possible. While Eternal Sonata I only stopped playing the demo when I did because I wanted to see it all for real when it released.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Murgos on August 13, 2007, 04:46:41 PM
Stranglehold: I had a hardon the whole time I played this demo. Sliding down a stair railing and then shooting neon signs to crash down and land on someone's head seconds before I slide along the ground on a grease spill and fill 4 people with lead? Then getting precise shots and proceeding to shoot one guy in the throat, one guy in the nuts, and a third guy in the hand and then the knee just because I could? Must buy. I'm literally counting the days.

Goddamn PS3 collectors edition version comes with Hard Boiled in Blue-Fuckin-Ray.  XBOX 360?  A damned faceplate  :-(


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 13, 2007, 04:49:20 PM
Eh. No. It's not a straight blu-ray Hard-Boiled. It's a completely remastered one though. I'd be positively shocked if the game only took up 10GB and Hard Boiled was a full 40GB Blu-Ray movie.

I'd also be happy. I could put my copy of Hard Boiled Criterion in a time capsule to unlock the moment my kids turn 17 and apply for college. And then sell it. And then pay for college. Ho ho ho.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Big Gulp on August 13, 2007, 05:11:54 PM
I wasn't impressed with the Stranglehold demo.  The controls felt floaty, his "slide" looked goofy, and the graphics were really unimpressive.  I'm actually kind of thankful; that's 60 bucks saved.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: murdoc on August 14, 2007, 06:36:29 AM
I wasn't impressed with the Stranglehold demo.  The controls felt floaty, his "slide" looked goofy, and the graphics were really unimpressive.  I'm actually kind of thankful; that's 60 bucks saved.

This is pretty much  the way I felt. I got enough Stranglehold playing the 10 minute demo 3 times that I'm not very interested in buying the game.

BioShock however... I was pretty sure I was going to purchase it, now I know I'm going to. Even without a cover system ;)


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on August 14, 2007, 11:08:23 AM
Christ. Microsoft is relentless.

Beautiful Katamari demo went up 5 minutes ago.

Na, Na na na na na na na, KATAMARI DAMASHIIHIHIIIIHIIHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.

Don't worry do your best!


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on August 14, 2007, 12:07:03 PM
Hey, what now?  I can't download that until closer to the release date.  My house would turn inside out if this information was leaked.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on August 14, 2007, 12:16:42 PM
Not sure where else to put this, but there was some XNA related stuff announced yesterday (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/aug07/08-13GamefestPR.mspx), including the winners of the Dream-Build-Play contest, and the announcement of the first XNA Game Studio title to be released on Live.


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SEATTLE — Aug. 13, 2007 — At Gamefest 2007, the annual Microsoft® Game Technology Conference, Microsoft Corp. today announced the highly anticipated winners of its Dream-Build-Play game development contest, which encouraged experienced game developers and enthusiasts to create innovative and fun-to-play video games for Windows® or Xbox 360™ platforms using XNA® Game Studio. In a surprise announcement during the keynote address, an astounding four winners were invited to publish their games on Xbox LIVE® Arcade. Tied for first place were David Flook of Ontario, Canada, and James Silva of New York with their respective games: “Blazing Birds,” an action-packed, robotic sports game modeled after the game of badminton, and “The Dishwasher: Dead Samurai,” a highly stylized game of mayhem and revenge. For their accomplishments, Flook and Silva were offered publishing contracts with Xbox LIVE Arcade, $10,000 (U.S.) each and several other prizes. Steve Olofsson of Sweden and Daniel McGuire of the United Kingdom received honors as runners-up for their games: “Gravitron Ultra” and “Yo Ho Kablammo!” respectively. Because of the amazing creativity demonstrated by these top four winners, the Xbox LIVE Arcade team also extended invitations to publish on Xbox LIVE Arcade to Olofsson and McGuire, along with $5,000 (U.S.) and other prizes.

A total of 16 others were recognized with third-place honors. More than 4,500 members of the gaming community from more than 100 countries enrolled in the Dream-Build-Play challenge. Final results have been posted on the Dream-Build-Play Web site at http://dreambuildplay.com.

“The games we received in the Dream-Build-Play competition are truly inspiring,” said Chris Satchell, general manager of the XNA organization at Microsoft. “Created in just four short months using XNA Game Studio, these games demonstrate an incredible range of innovation, fun gameplay and technical achievement.”

“We uncovered some remarkable talent with this contest and are pleased to include these original creations in our diverse library of games on Xbox LIVE Arcade,” said Bryan Trussel, director of content and portals for Microsoft Casual Games. “It’s aspiring, independent developers like these who are really driving our industry.”

XNA Game Studio has seen a surge of momentum this past year, with more than 400,000 downloads of the tool and adoption by nearly 200 academic institutions globally since its release last December. In addition to the XNA Creators Club Online community at http://creators.xna.com, more than 50 new community sites in numerous languages have emerged around the world in support of XNA Game Studio, pushing the boundaries of game development further toward Microsoft’s vision of true collaboration and democratization.

“Schizoid” by Torpex Games Showcased for the First Time

In his Gamefest keynote address, Satchell welcomed Bill Dugan, president of Torpex Games, to share a live demonstration of the highly anticipated action title “Schizoid,” the first Xbox LIVE Arcade game to be created with XNA Game Studio. The game, which will be released later this year, establishes XNA Game Studio as a premier development platform for hobbyists, independent developers and professionals alike.

Microsoft Announces Game Content Usage Rules

Satchell announced that effectively immediately, some game content published by Microsoft Game Studios and owned by Microsoft is now available for noncommercial use by consumers. Under a license similar to the Creative Commons license, consumers may now use gameplay footage, screen shots and other gameplay elements from popular Microsoft Game Studios titles such as the “Halo®” franchise, “Forza Motorsport®” and “Age of Empires®” to express their own imagination and creativity. Details on the game content usage rules have been posted at http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/developer/rules.htm along with samples of permissible and nonpermissible use.

New SOFTIMAGE|XSI 6 Mod Tool for XNA Game Studio

SOFTIMAGE|XSI 6 Mod Tool is new, free 3-D modeling and animation software for the creation of noncommercial game content. Based on the same toolset as the professional XSI 3D software, XSI 6 Mod Tool enables aspiring game developers to create compelling 3-D characters, levels and content designed for use with XNA Game Studio. Integrating natively with the XNA Framework Content Pipeline, XSI 6 Mod Tool comes with an enhanced user interface and training videos from Noesis Interactive, making it a perfect learning environment for newcomers to 3-D game content creation. “Softimage and Microsoft are committed to nurturing the next generation of game creators,” said Leonard Teo, product marketing manager at Softimage Co. “With the free XSI 6 Mod Tool and XNA Game Studio, anyone can download these tools and learn how to make great games now. Students, enthusiasts and aspiring game creators now have a toolset similar to those used by professional game companies.”



Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Morfiend on August 14, 2007, 01:07:48 PM
I wasn't impressed with the Stranglehold demo.  The controls felt floaty, his "slide" looked goofy, and the graphics were really unimpressive.  I'm actually kind of thankful; that's 60 bucks saved.

I liked Stranglehold. I fully plan on buying it. Maybe its just cause I want Max Payne 3 so badly, but I really liked it.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on August 14, 2007, 02:46:02 PM
Torpex sounds like TorqueX.  I bet that game really has some great creative elements.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Riggswolfe on August 15, 2007, 06:47:11 AM
IGN gave Blue Dragon a 7.9. From the review it sounds like exactly what I feared. A too traditional JRPG with little imagination or depth. I think I'll skip it and get Eternal Sonata. Though I'm still holding out hope for Lost Odyssey.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Strazos on August 16, 2007, 05:30:05 PM
I refuse to look at Dragonball Z art for the number of hours it would take to beat a game like BD.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Yegolev on August 16, 2007, 05:34:31 PM
I have no love for Toriyama myself, but I do love Uematsu and therefore I must buy it.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on December 05, 2007, 12:26:37 AM
Almost time to be making a new one of these topics.  All in all though this has been a pretty good year despite some big delays and disappointments (and games like Alan Wake going completely MIA).


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on December 05, 2007, 12:31:01 AM
Oh really? Didn't know that. Haven't paid much to gaming news until recently.

I suppose that list I made in that other thread could be referenced here (will just talk about the PS3 real quick).

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Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Ratchet and Clank Future Tools of Destruction
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Resistance Fall of Man
Motorstorm
Folklore
Warhawk
Heavenly Sword
Eye of Judgement
Formula One Championship Edition

I was kind of expecting a little more, but that isn't bad for a year in. There's at least 2 system sellers there, and some nice diversions.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on December 05, 2007, 12:34:03 AM
As long as we're doing stuff like Top 20 lists right now, do you have any personal pick for GOTY?  I'm kinda leaning towards God of War II myself.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on December 05, 2007, 12:34:50 AM
Wait til the GOTY thread.

We will have one of them, one of the top 20, and one for 2008.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: Velorath on December 05, 2007, 12:36:17 AM
Wait til the GOTY thread.

We will have one of them, one of the top 20, and one for 2008.

By 2008 do you mean the our most anticipated game of 2008 or something?


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: schild on December 05, 2007, 12:37:28 AM
no, I mean a thread dedicated to the upcoming year. Most anticipated comes with the GOTY thread.


Title: Re: Console Lineup: The Year Ahead
Post by: stray on December 05, 2007, 12:40:11 AM
Eh, I'm with Yegolev.. GOTY is Uncharted. For this year and the last. And every other year it's been in development.  :-)