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Title: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Venkman on January 15, 2007, 12:28:18 PM
From a site I never heard of (http://www.vggen.com/news/news.php?id=3424) about a game from a company (http://vogster.com/) I never heard of:

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After announcing last September that it had signed an agreement with Epic for use of Unreal Engine 3 on MMO CrimeCraft, Vogster Entertainment has confirmed that the title will be released for PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PC.

Although actually confirmed back in October via the company's website (check the "About Vogster Entertainment" section here), no one apparently noticed (including us sadly) until just recently that the game was indeed headed to both next-gen consoles in addition to the assumed PC version.

Aside from the fact that it will run on Unreal Engine 3, so far we know that it will allow players to own real estate and cars, possibly run shops and other establishments, fight for territory and in clan wars, and even resolve conflicts without a single shot. That's not a lot to go on, but promising enough that the game may make a mark on the competitive MMO market.

Main site (http://www.crimecraft.com/). Nothing there yet, not even the "screenshots" they claim to have released which actually is just bad sketches (http://xbox360.vggen.com/gallery.php?game=1802). Company looks to be based in Ukraine, with probably a small rented room in New Jersey.

"Crime" and "Craft", together! MMO GTA wannabe? Based purely on the name, title artwork, six character sketches, and the targeting of the consoles, this looks like something more for kids.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cares
Post by: CmdrSlack on January 15, 2007, 12:34:18 PM
My money is on complex identity theft scam.

And I am only half-sarcastic.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cares
Post by: Yoru on January 15, 2007, 02:18:00 PM
My money is on complex identity theft scam.

And I am only half-sarcastic.

But will it have negative ping code? Can I get a discount on golf clubs if I give them all of my personally-identifying information?


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cares
Post by: schild on May 12, 2009, 05:05:44 PM
Invites are going out.

Also, bump.

Edit: Also, Vogster is based out of Jersey.

Ahem, sorry, Vogster Entertainment pairs leading Eastern European engineering and art resources with top-notch North American design and production talent to deliver the highest quality interactive entertainment across all key gaming platforms. Established in October 2005, Vogster Entertainment is a venture-funded entertainment company headquartered in the New York City metropolitan area, with a production office in Chicago and development studios in Moscow, Russia, and Kiev, Ukraine.

New York is where the email and NDA and such are assigned to.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cares
Post by: tmp on May 12, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
They had an interview (http://www.destructoid.com/video-interview-talking-pc-mmo-crimecraft-with-vogster-128251.phtml) about month ago; it gives some idea what to expect from the game as there's quite a bit of what one'd presume be regular gameplay on screen while they talk. Technically looks good, nowhere near Darkfall lolfail but... don't know, unlike APB this one doesn't do anything for me. Maybe because it looks like the whole thing was built from nothing but differently textured crates. :uhrr:


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cares
Post by: Kageru on May 14, 2009, 07:48:21 AM

8 versus 8 shooter which means relatively small almost certainly instanced environments and a persistent hub. During the video it has "warmup" and a respawn counter which also supports the idea of it being of it being match based. Could well be fun, but I'm not really seeing the MMO here or the reason I'd pay a subscription for it.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cares
Post by: Triforcer on May 14, 2009, 10:04:03 PM
Some dark day in the not-to-distant past, these guys, the Global Agenda guys, and a bunch of other devs sat through a seminar entitled "How Millions of People will Pay Subscription Fees for 8v8 match FPSes."  I wish I could've been there, because I didn't think you could drink that much varnish straight from the can and live.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cares
Post by: Ghambit on May 30, 2009, 09:50:50 PM
update:
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THQ announced this week that it has signed on to publish Vogster Entertainment's MMO shooter CrimeCraft for Windows PC.  Scheduled for release in August 2009, CrimeCraft will be a BestBuy retail exclusive.  Gamers that purchase the game at Best Buy will net two free months, exclusive in-game items including two t-shirts, a combat backpack, and a virtual Best Buy discount card for use in the game.  Additionally, pre-orderers will get in-game shoes designed by Mark Ecko, beta access, and a three day jump start at launch.

I gotta say I'm a bit taken aback by the release date.  They must've gotten right to work after they licensed UE3.
The pre-order page is already up at Best Buy for an Aug. 25th release.  Maybe E3 will generate some more info. on this thing.

p.s.
evidently, this isnt supposed to be an MMO.  It's a PWNS!  (persistent-world next-gen shooter)  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cares
Post by: Ghambit on June 16, 2009, 02:23:14 PM
Batch of beta invites just went out today. (so check your emails)
And yah, I got mines.



Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cares
Post by: Malakili on June 16, 2009, 06:08:51 PM

evidently, this isnt supposed to be an MMO.  It's a PWNS!  (persistent-world next-gen shooter)  :why_so_serious:

Fine with me.  The MMO status quo of forcing levels + abilities + crafting into every genre regardless of its quality or usefulness, just so it can be an "MMO" has turned a lot of games to shit.

I mean, I love the idea of open ended sandboxes, but realistically, most games suck at doing it.  Give me something that plays well, and has a persistent world, and its better than 95% of the crap out there.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cares
Post by: Venkman on June 16, 2009, 07:53:20 PM
Looks a lot different than what I (didn't) see in 2007 :-)


Title: CrimeCraft
Post by: Nonentity on June 22, 2009, 03:21:22 PM
Apparently the beta is up for this on Fileplanet.

It's NDA and all that, but I have really heard nothing about this game. I watched a developer video and noted it was made by some eastern european country.

Is this going to be any good?


Title: Re: CrimeCraft
Post by: Ingmar on June 22, 2009, 03:23:35 PM
I got the beta email today too. I have to say that they are not off to the right start with the name. It reminds me of the explosion of <Whatever> Tycoon games.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft
Post by: Morfiend on June 22, 2009, 04:35:55 PM
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=9126.0


Title: Re: CrimeCraft
Post by: kondratti on June 23, 2009, 09:08:25 AM
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=9126.0

 :ye_gods:  Stuck in a loop.... I cant get out!


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: NiX on June 23, 2009, 09:43:48 AM
I created a time paradox!


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Xuri on June 24, 2009, 12:06:14 AM
<insert funny joke about becoming one's own grandfather here>

Also, kondratti: Awesome lightsaber fight in that avatar of yours. Source? =P


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: kondratti on June 24, 2009, 06:37:32 AM
<insert funny joke about becoming one's own grandfather here>

Also, kondratti: Awesome lightsaber fight in that avatar of yours. Source? =P

Source... er... likely to have been /b/, which means it was recycled from elsewhere on the internet.  No idea really... was just in my folder of pics, had to resize it down a bit to fit the avatar.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Signe on July 30, 2009, 08:31:38 AM
The open beta test for this starts Friday.  (sorry if nobody still cares)


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: HaemishM on August 05, 2009, 10:12:21 AM
Since this is an open beta and I couldn't find anything about an NDA in the EULA, I'll talk about this game.

Meh. 3rd person action with a decent graphics engine and mostly boring gameplay. Also, brown. Lots of brown. Copious amounts of brown. Real is brown, y0. This game:

1) should have been 1st person
2) should have better controls
3) shouldn't have me walking around a gigantic city which is nothing more than a transparent match making lobby/microtransaction store
4) should have made the default walking speed faster than a slug on heroin.

Do not want.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Trippy on August 05, 2009, 08:47:19 PM
Since this is an open beta and I couldn't find anything about an NDA in the EULA, I'll talk about this game.

Meh. 3rd person action with a decent graphics engine and mostly boring gameplay. Also, brown. Lots of brown. Copious amounts of brown. Real is brown, y0. This game:

1) should have been 1st person
Why would FP be better? Does it FPS mechanics (i.e you have to aim, no auto lockon, etc.)?



Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: ashrik on August 05, 2009, 10:53:25 PM
3) shouldn't have me walking around a gigantic city which is nothing more than a transparent match making lobby/microtransaction store
Why are people still doing this to games that are supposed to be MMOs?


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: HaemishM on August 06, 2009, 10:00:32 AM
Since this is an open beta and I couldn't find anything about an NDA in the EULA, I'll talk about this game.

Meh. 3rd person action with a decent graphics engine and mostly boring gameplay. Also, brown. Lots of brown. Copious amounts of brown. Real is brown, y0. This game:

1) should have been 1st person
Why would FP be better? Does it FPS mechanics (i.e you have to aim, no auto lockon, etc.)?



Yes, it's an FPS game. You have to aim the cursor (if there's an auto lockon, I didn't find it). It's in all respects, a first-person shooter with a 3rd person viewpoint. And did I mention it's motherfucking brown? The graphics engine is very pretty, but the color palette is literally shit.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Signe on August 06, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
I even had to play Hellgate: London in FP.  Some games feel very uncomfortable to me if they're not.  I had a beta invite a while back and checked it out but it didn't seem to be my sort of game so I didn't really give it a go.  I thought the character creation was going to be way more cool, too.  But it wasn't.   :uhrr:


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Malakili on August 25, 2009, 05:44:30 PM
Soooo, apparently this was released today. (Thanks steam, for telling me).   Is this worth even looking in to.  The other posts here seem to say now, not to mention APB mentioned it was NOT going to have a monthly fee whenever that one comes out.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: schild on August 25, 2009, 07:36:19 PM
$49.99.

Asking a bit too much for a game with no PR, imo.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Hoax on August 26, 2009, 09:21:52 AM
Way too much, if nobody has heard of your game you make it free, give a free trial area that is 10 times more polished and fun then the main gameworld and charge a sub to anyone who wants to get to said main gameworld.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: NiX on August 26, 2009, 09:54:44 AM
Soooo, apparently this was released today. (Thanks steam, for telling me).   Is this worth even looking in to.  The other posts here seem to say now, not to mention APB mentioned it was NOT going to have a monthly fee whenever that one comes out.

Not worth it. Played the open beta and the net code was trash, aiming was clunky and there's no direction at all.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Endie on August 26, 2009, 09:59:24 AM
I'm not sure that I want to own my own house and shop in a world predicated on high crime levels.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Mike_Lescault on August 26, 2009, 12:48:56 PM
$49.99.

Asking a bit too much for a game with no PR, imo.

I noticed it for the first time on Steam last night. I wanted to check it out, but couldn't find a single review anyplace. So yeah, 50 bucks seems a bit much for a game no one has heard of.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Venkman on August 29, 2009, 12:32:29 PM
Yea, everything I've said has either directly or obliquely ended up as "waiting for APB".


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: HaemishM on August 31, 2009, 03:45:57 PM
Soooo, apparently this was released today. (Thanks steam, for telling me).   Is this worth even looking in to.  The other posts here seem to say now, not to mention APB mentioned it was NOT going to have a monthly fee whenever that one comes out.

Not worth it. Played the open beta and the net code was trash, aiming was clunky and there's no direction at all.

Yeah, this. It MIGHT be worth it as a F2P game, but for a $50 starter and a monthly sub, it can go rightly fuck itself. It's just not that good. I've played better F2P shooters than this clunky thing.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Mike_Lescault on September 01, 2009, 11:37:09 AM

Yeah, this. It MIGHT be worth it as a F2P game, but for a $50 starter and a monthly sub, it can go rightly fuck itself. It's just not that good. I've played better F2P shooters than this clunky thing.

Is there anything going on there mechanic-wise that is worth checking out? I'm surprised there's so little out there about the game. Of course, I found some of the mechanics in Ryzom interesting, so maybe I am easily amused.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: HaemishM on September 01, 2009, 01:47:32 PM
Ummmm, not really no. It's the Unreal engine, but done very shittily. Targeting is clunky because it's 3rd person perspective, the lobby is this great bit town where you can't shoot other players. For the few options you have (vendors, crafting, etc.) you waste time walking slowly from one vendor to the next or from one battle entrance to the next. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of non-instanced worldly options, so the whole point of an avatar-based lobby as opposed to a server browser seems tacked-on for no other reason than to call it an MMO. Animation and movement in combat is sloppy and sluggish.

It's not worth $50 - I wouldn't pay $20 for it and I sure wouldn't pay a monthly.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Ashamanchill on September 01, 2009, 02:36:33 PM
My roomate purchased this pos and it's the fastest I've ever seen him quit a game. From the bitching I've heard from him, the UI is shite, the LFG system is the worst he's ever encountered, and the respawn timers on death are annoyingly long.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: ashrik on September 03, 2009, 11:22:53 AM
http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-crimecraft/17-1281/

That was all I needed to watch. I don't know why they would even attempt this with ABP around the corner. Poor guys, doomed before release. At least they got plenty of clothing sponsors!


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: UnSub on September 03, 2009, 08:28:26 PM
I wouldn't have a hard time believing that CrimeCraft started off as "No-one else is doing GTA Online - let's go for it and grab that easy money!". Just as I'm sure there was much gnashing of teeth when APB kicked up its publicity.

EDIT: their != there


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Trippy on September 03, 2009, 09:14:55 PM
It's not even close to GTA online, though.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Kageru on September 04, 2009, 12:40:06 AM
That video review is quite good. By the end of it you pretty much feel you've experienced the whole game without having to pay for it. The inevitable summary, "Who would pay for this?".

I also got the feeling that Valve have the skill, technology and infrastructure in place to make this approach work. Though even they would probably question whether 10$ a month is reasonable.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Ashamanchill on September 04, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
Just for the record, this game has box sales, monthy subs, in game micros trans, and advertising in the game. It's the game that keeps on taking.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Venkman on September 04, 2009, 07:07:56 PM
Their decisions seem to have been made completely in a vacuum, and then forced them down a path they couldn't veer from at all. So they launch into a saturated genre with no pull other than some vague "if you liked GTA" hook a full year too late, and hope to get your average ignorants who just finished their summer splurge gearing up for school?

Oh, maybe they course corrected for the ingame ads. It looked like the video was from Kaneva, except, with guns.

The core concept of a GTA-style MMO with a flat fee is probably sound. Maybe APB will do a better job. I think we've gotta go through post-apoc (the next generation's "fantasy") before we arrive back in the modern (under)world though.

I just don't think this style of game (full-on AAA retail MMO) is going to survive to that point unless it's called "GTA 5".


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: tmp on October 05, 2009, 04:48:53 PM
So, come the end of October apparently the game is receiving "an unlimited, free trial" as well as additional subscription tier of $4.99 a month in addition to the current $9.99. Also, new content -- ego stroking and PvP loot.

http://www.crimecraft.com/announcements/original-gangster-program-free-trial-announced

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Vogster Reveals Free Trial, New Subscription Structure and First Major Content Update for Online Shooter CrimeCraft
Company Proactively Addresses Community Feedback


NEW YORK, NY, October 2, 2009 –Vogster Entertainment, LLC, an international innovator in video game design and content, today announced an unlimited free trial, an enhanced subscription model, the game’s first major content update, as well as a loyalty reward program for existing customers of their PC-based Online Shooter, CrimeCraft. All changes are slated to commence later this month.

“The CrimeCraft community talks and we listen,” said Mario Kroll, Director of Marketing at Vogster. “We’ve been working closely with the community to find ways to enhance the content, depth and player experience to make CrimeCraft the best it can possibly be. In addition to our first major content update, at the end of this month we will offer a non-expiring, free trial that will allow gamers to experience the major features of the game without paying a subscription.”

 

Details of the free trial and subscription model changes are as follows:
 

• Unlimited Free Trial –New CrimeCraft players will be able to experience the major features of the game for free for as long as they want.
 
• Varied Subscription Options – CrimeCraft will introduce a new Standard Subscription for $4.99/month in addition to the current $9.99/month Premium Subscription option. The major differences between the subscription levels is the extent of customization, skill slots, speed of experience gain and inventory capacity. Standard and Premium subscription features will also be showcased behind “velvet rope” areas to allow players to make a fully-informed subscription decision.

• Seamless Transition – Players can seamlessly convert from a free trial to a paying account and switch between subscription levels. Features will be placed “on hold” or unlocked based on the current subscription level.

• Original Gangsters – In appreciation of our current CrimeCraft customers, everyone that purchases the game between launch and the introduction of the free trial later this month will receive a third month of Premium Subscription at no cost, and a host of in-game rewards including an “Original Gangster” tag and icon for their characters as well as priority access to future content .
 

The boxed version of CrimeCraft that is sold exclusively at Best Buy and FutureShop retail stores will remain the ideal way to jump into the world of Sunrise City. It now includes three free months of premium membership, an initial stake of 100 gold bars and access to exclusive in-game items – virtual apparel from Marc Ecko and Atticus Clothing, a discount card for in-game purchases and a combat backpack to expand carrying capacity.

 

CrimeCraft will also bring the first of many scheduled content updates online at the end of October. This first update will increase the game’s depth and adds many of the features most requested by our fans, including the following planned enhancements:
 

• Sunrise City Times – In-game newspaper that will feed information to the players concerning the latest news and happening in the game, including dynamic exploits by players and gangs.

• Your Name in Lights – In addition to making stars of players inside the newspaper feature, top ranked gangs and players will see their alter egos promoted on billboards.
 
• Titles Through Achievements – By completing certain difficult achievements, players will gain access to in-game icons and titles to make their character stand out and further communicate street credit and reputation.

• Kill the Boss Mode – A new PvE mode that allows players to cooperatively fight AI controlled enemies across every in-game map and take out bosses to get the best loot. This dramatically enhances the variety of environments for the highly praised PvE instances currently in the game.
 
• Storytellers – New Municipal Agent NPCs will provide a more in depth look at the back story that makes the universe of CrimeCraft a place of guns, gangs and intrigue.
 
• New NPC Gang and Mission Chains – A new NPC gang will offer additional missions and jobs.

• Player Loot Drops – Now players will be able to gain loot from participating in Riot Mode PvP, with the highest ranked players dropping more valuable loot if killed.


Title: Re: CrimeCraft confirmed: nobody cared, until recently.
Post by: Hoax on October 05, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-crimecraft/17-1281/

That was all I needed to watch. I don't know why they would even attempt this with ABP around the corner. Poor guys, doomed before release. At least they got plenty of clothing sponsors!

This is a terrific review, fucking fantastic.