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Your thread title made me choke coffee into my nose, you rat.

I had 2 other choices:

IS THERE NO JUSTICE IN THE WORLD

and

WHY DOES GOD HATE ME SO

I decided on 'FUCK' because that is the only word in the english language that can describe the intense stinging my brain is feeling right now. At first I thought, hey, I'll play EQ2 until February, then I'll play Tabula Rasa. I don't think I have it in me to play EQ2 for a full year.

NCSoft just cut off my penis.

Although I am apparently not quite as invested in the titles as you seem to be, I share some of your pain- those were two that I was keeping an eye on. I have plenty of crap to keep me entertained until then, though...especially if/when I get my XBL connection up and running.

I agree, FUCK is easily the most eloquent way to describe my feelings on this news.  I'll be the one to give the normal scripted response to this sort of news 'If delaying the game means that it will be bug free and better then I'm glad they're delaying it!'.....

Bleh, this was the main mmog I was looking forward to this year.

Computer game delayed. Film at eleven.

Honestly guys.

Software houses can't plan for shit.

They've never been able to plan for shit.

All dates more than 2 months from right now are fiction.

I'm starting to think you guys aren't fricking jaded at all.

God is sending you hints. Really. Wait at least the first comments before wasting your money on EQ2 or Tabula Rasa...

Dude, we're talking about games that WERE about within 2 months from now. One got delayed for near a full year and the other one was pushed back about 4 months. Both of which were from companies with people who know how long it takes to make a game. We have reason to be pissed off.

Hmmm, maybe you get a pass on guild wars.

But I'm watching you - a truly jaded person would title this thread something like ...

"Pfft, shit continues to happen"

Learn to "read" the news. Remember the press release with three of the most important peoples leaving the project?

Honestly I just can't get worked up to much about games missing deadlines anymore. Most "release" dates are wildass pr guesses that have no baring on reality anyway. The Sales guys get pressured enough eventually they pull some date out of their ass and that gets set as the official date.

Hell look at coh it was delayed a year as they completly redid how the skill system worked. They took that extra year and turned it into a hell of a good game.

I would rather games come out fun and stable rather than fast and unplayable.

kaid

Uhm, yes, and about Garriot taking over the helm of the ship. Given that it's his vision, I really didn't see this delaying it 3/4 OF A YEAR, jackass.

I imagine the 3/4 of a year is to make the Tabula Rasa graphics not look like effeminate versions of Lineage 2.

Seriously, you think you'll make 2 months in EQ2? Hardy-har-har, it is to laugh. You KNOW the game's going to suck. Why delude yourself?

My response to this news is... Well, fuck. Guild Wars would have been a fun distraction game.

*Shrug

That shit happens.  Although I was looking forward to Guild Wars.  Would have been fun to get it early.

Oh, and I really don't see EQ2 shipping mid-Nov either.

Better to just assume that there is no ship-date.  That way when they come out, you can be like "Holy Shit, that's out already?"

Wow,

The passion. the hate. the crushed dreams.


About all I can muster is Meh.



Supprised about a mmog getting delayed? hahaha.

How could anyone be shocked by this?  I very much doubt that EQ2 will be out this year either.  If it is, it is probably a sign that SoE is still on the "lets release laughably incomplete piles of shit" kick they have been on since Luclin & SWG.

Jesus, fuck, comeon people. In terms of gaming it takes an assload for me to muster up excitement about a game.

1. EQII excites me because the guild/political system seems fascinating from a social point of view.

2. Tabula Rasa fascinates me because it doesn't look like anything I've played in an MMO. Garriot making it helps, a LOT.

3. Guild Wars makes my heart skip beats because I fucking love Diablo. That and there's no monthly fee.

If those 3 things in each game, respectively, didn't exist - I too could not muster more than a hearty 'meh.' But I'd rather get excited over this than Face of Mankind or Dragon Empires or some shit.

Delays are a bother, but if it means better quality on release I'm all for em'.   After all, we've all been through our share of horribly premature games.

One thing I really don't get about you shild is that you fear WoW because of the battlenet losers who will occupy the game, but you get all hot and bothered about guild wars?  The battlenet losers will flock to guild wars as much or more than WoW in my estimation because of the lack of a monthly fee.

And didn't you play the E3 beta/alpha thingy?  That game they were showing off pretty much sucked ass.

Annoyed at a TR delay, but given the recent departures, can't say I am surprised.  Tabula Rasa was the only new MMO at E3 that I had fun playing so I sure as hell hope it isn't cancelled like Mythica.  Given this news, WoW is going to have to keep me content quite a bit longer.

Amen.

It seems to be trendy around here to hate WoW, and say it will suck because of the b.net kiddies. All MMOGs are 80% shitheads. So what if WoW is 81%?

I'm not trendy, but I think WoW will suck because it's a mmog ;) The fanbois only increase the sucktitude imo.

Personally, I'm waiting for EA's new sports mmog: Madden Online! I plan on being a nuts vendor, and hawking my hot, salty nuts all over the stadium.

I wasn't concerned or interested in either game, so I don't care much.  Too many good games out NOW.  The future is the future.  SNK is WRONG darnit!  Leave the EGM/PC Gamer view of "OMG UPCOMING RELEASES" alone and love the great games out now, or the glories of the past.  Well, the glories that still work under XP anyhow..  Im in a serious Warlords 3 withdrawal...

TR was THE game I was looking forward to. Now I have to ignore it until NEXT E3. Too much can change.

And GW. Gotta wonder why they're delaying this. They focusing on CoV or making CoH playable longterm?

Oh, and anyone who thinks EQ2 is coming out this year is living in some kind of lala land.  Well, it just MIGHT, but naaaah, no way.  They have not even started a sizable beta yet.  I say spring/summer 2005 for EQ2.

Although I am a pessimist.  I would be rather surprised if WoW even comes out this year.  Still adding in so much stuff.

You can always play Ryzom. :p

I don't put Guild Wars on the same level as any other MMO because they won't be reaching for my wallet every 30 days. As far as WoW goes, let's put it this way. What 'new' have they done? Has Blizzard brought anything new to the table other than made the perfect level based mmorpg? I can at least put my finger on the things that EQII is doing differently.

As far as the b.net kiddies go, I don't put much stake in them defecting to Guild Wars. I'm quite confident they'll stay by their best friend ever, Blizzard Entertainment. Or perhaps, they'll play Gunbound, or might already be given the maturity level of the people in that game.

EBgames has the obviously preliminary release date for both WoW and EQII to be 11/15/2004. I don't think it's a coincidence that EQII shares the same date as WoW even though EQII seems to be further behind in its development. I think SOE will wait and see what Blizzard does with WoW and will release EQII at the same approximate time.

Less optimistic than Amazon.uk, then, which has September 10 for EQ II and October 15 for WoW. But neither TR or GW in their lists.

I'm sure EQ2 will go out the door on time. It won't be finished or working right. But I've never seen them let that stop them with a release.

Which is actually rather enjoyable and looking damn good.

Eh? When I played in beta a while ago it was frickin awful. But yes, it *looks* damn good.

Awful in the sense that it's the same old MMORPG stuff, but I've come to realize that it's easier on me if I don't expect anything but the status quo from MMOGs. At least then I can be pleasantly surprised when somebody does something fresh and new. Like the spellcrafting system of Ryzom. While it does not change the gameplay, it's interesting to be able to build my own spells out of components. Gives that feeling of actually being able to research and learn new spells. Quite the nice system. But yes, I concede that the gameplay needs work. That probably won't happen though, so as I said, damn good for a MMORPG.

Guildwars is already a solid game, but it doesn't have all its core systems implemented yet. Most specifically its guild system hasn't been introduced, and that's a major component of the game. In addition to that there are still more missions, and guild combat/maps that need to be put in place and tested. And lastly, the game really should get 30-60 days of beta feedback.

All in all, I'm comfortable with the delay because the base game is already solid and the PvP is the best balanced I've ever seen.  There are no "/tar name 1,2,3 pwned...next" scenarios. A good fight can last 15+ minutes with highs, lows, pushes, pulls, etc and keep you on the edge of your seat.  There's no spam the button and snooze, or get a sandwich and auto attack. You are there paying attention or you are dead.

Delaying the game simply gives them time to do their guild system well, and have time to run it through a brief beta.  I honestly think this game will redefine PvP in mmos, because it gives you the questing/pvp'ing/and char development without turning it into a full time job, or punishing you for not keeping up with your friends in level.

Also Arenanet is not confirming the delay, only saying that it "could" happen.

You have not been paying much attention then.  SWG was pushed back 6 months from it's supposedly solid release date in 2002.

I myself do not expect to see Eq2 before january, or Feb of 2005. And yes I am an optimist about these things. If it releases this year I greatly greatly greatly fear for it. Unless the game gods smile on it the game will likely be almost unplayable at first if it is released this year.

I agree with them in theory that betas are not the greatest way to bug check your game but they ARE the best way to kick your netcode and game code in the nuts repeatedly to see at which point it beings to cry. Hell COH used this info right up till the last day of beta to make the game do a 180 performance wise for lag and rubber banding.

Lag and rubber banding was sporadically nasty right up until the end but they managed to stick a fork in that and map server disconects pretty well. Still happens every now and again but they really did a bang up job fixing the main nasty bug issues in beta.


kaid

EQ2 was originally scheduled for Fall 2003. (http://www.sonyonline.com/corp/press_releases/051303_e3_lineup.html)

SWG was in fact originally scheduled for a 2001 launch. (http://www.lucasarts.com/press/releases/11.html)

JtL was due 18 months ago (http://www.lucasarts.com/press/releases/37.html)

SOE delay things as much as everyone else.

And yet you can't say it wasn't released unfinished and buggy as fuck, now can you.

No, I never said that, nor would I ever say that.  I was just commenting that Numtini's comment was patently and ridiculously false.  Of the three sentences, he could back one of them up with facts.  That the game will be unfinished and not working right.  That it will be ontime is a laughable joke, and that an unfinished product will keep them from shipping has been apparent in their many delays for almost every game they have launched.  Eventually they are usually unfinished when they do launch, but that is only after they have exceeded their budget and deadline by some seeminly arbitrary amount that the pencil pushers won't accept.

So the Guild Wars community manager has said there may or may not be a delay. Let's hope there isn't, or at least I'M hoping there isn't.

12 months late at a minimum is, like, a standard with PC games.  I don't understand how the industry tolerates it.  The development studio pitches a schedule they know they can't keep.  The publishers takes the deadline with a wink and a nod.  Yet everybody acts like the original release date is authentic and they don't talk about reality until the date inevitably has to be moved back.

Bruce