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Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Slayerik on July 15, 2004, 01:20:35 PM http://www.ua-corp.com/
August 3rd Thats the Doom 3 delivery countdown. I know noone here will buy it but I thought I'd let ya all know ;) Full press release: http://www.idsoftware.com/business/press/index.php?date=20040714000000 Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Venkman on July 15, 2004, 01:34:59 PM Someone pop a review when they get a chance. I want to know if I should care.
(no slight on you Slayer). Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: HaemishM on July 15, 2004, 02:32:30 PM You probably shouldn't.
Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Rodent on July 15, 2004, 02:58:40 PM Looking forward too it, hopefully the doublebarrel will make a comeback. And hell, we all know the engine will probably kick major ass like most every other engine ever made by ID.
Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Sable Blaze on July 15, 2004, 08:58:54 PM I'll be buying it. I'll be buying a new video card as well (finally).
I'll be curious how they spin (or if they even bother) out that sad tale of UAC's epic screwups. There was something...special...about the original DOOM. Not sure exactly what, but it just had a certain atmosphere that really appealed to me. I wonder if id can recapture that. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: ajax34i on July 15, 2004, 11:42:10 PM I also especially liked a few of the original Doom tunes; thought they were better than the Doom 2 ones.
Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Rasix on July 15, 2004, 11:46:15 PM If I thought my machine had a prayer of running it, I might be interested. I lack the will to lay down more cash than my xbox cost me for a new video card.
Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Rodent on July 16, 2004, 02:08:38 AM Quote from: Rasix If I thought my machine had a prayer of running it, I might be interested. I lack the will to lay down more cash than my xbox cost me for a new video card. So buy it for the Xbox? Hell, you'll even get Co-op. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Alluvian on July 16, 2004, 06:32:27 AM The screenshot comparisons of xbox to pc are pretty sad looking for the xbox, but I am sure the pc ones are at max detail as well though.
PC Gamer already had an article leaked that I read where they gave it like a 96% or 97%, I forget. The only bad comment through the whole thing was that they thought the attempts at humor throughout the game fell flat. They reported taking 22 hours to complete it on medium difficulty, so it seems like either the game is pretty long or the reviewer really sucks. They went on and on about how great it looked, how atmospheric it was, how scary it was, blah blah. I don't trust magazine reviews though. All I can get out of that is that it probably does not suck ass. They have released 3 system specs for performance and this is from memory so don't sue me. Low GeForce 4MX and up card (yes, that is right) 512 ram I forget processor Medium GeForce FX5950 level card 1024 ram I forget processor High GeForce 6900 2 GIG of ram (sheesh, I can't believe it really uses it though) I forget processor This was info I got from another message board, but supposedly it was from iD. The review stated that there was an ultra high texture resolution that could not be run on modern computers. I question that. Why ship all that space? Are people REALLY going to pull this game out again 1-2 years down the road? That bit was from PC gamer, so huge grain of salt. No way I am buying a game like this without seeing how it runs first on my 2.5ghz barton with overclocked 5900XT. So since there is no demo planned, it looks like it is time to download the game and see how it works prior to purchase. If it plays well I will buy it most likely. I need something to hold me over till hl2. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: daveNYC on July 16, 2004, 06:37:27 AM Quote from: Alluvian High GeForce 6900 2 GIG of ram (sheesh, I can't believe it really uses it though) I forget processor Those specs remind me of Wing Commander. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Alluvian on July 16, 2004, 06:42:18 AM Don't make me nostalgic. I am been craving a great space action game since Freespace 2.
Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Trippy on July 16, 2004, 06:46:14 AM Quote from: daveNYC Quote from: Alluvian High GeForce 6900 2 GIG of ram (sheesh, I can't believe it really uses it though) I forget processor Those specs remind me of Wing Commander. More like Strike Commander. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Megrim on July 16, 2004, 09:30:49 PM Heh, i had Wing Commander working on my 486.
Anyhow, if the powers up above deem me worthy, i will probably be writing a review for it (being the greasy little fanboi that i am) as soon as it arrives down under. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Alluvian on July 18, 2004, 10:33:21 AM Quote from: Megrim Heh, i had Wing Commander working on my 486. um... Yeah, and I played the first one on my 386. You apparently don't get the point of the wing commander post at all. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Megrim on July 18, 2004, 08:24:30 PM Wing Commander 3
Oh, and you take life way too seriously. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Glamdring on July 20, 2004, 12:42:25 PM It's been awhile but I think Tribes 2 released under similar circumstances. Awesome graphics engine that no one could take full advantage of.
Is it true that this game only supports 4 player multiplayer? Or is this an Xbox Live thing? Also, I guess I'll end up getting this game on my Xbox instead of PC since I see no point in sinking a lot of money into my PC just to see medium performance levels. The Radeon 9500 Pro MIGHT pass the medium requirements but I'd still have to drop ~$100-$150 on another 512 stick. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Rodent on July 20, 2004, 01:05:09 PM Upgrading for Doom is a classic. I remember having to run down to the shop and pick up another 4 mb ram for Doom II. Considering what computer parts cost now that's roughly a Radeon 9600/800 and a stick of 512 mb ram.
Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Alluvian on July 20, 2004, 01:10:04 PM Yup, 4 player max multiplayer. There will surely be mods to raise those caps though. How much of it is technical limitations and how much is gameplay decision is unknown to me at this time.
Xbox has a coop mode for multiplayer that the PC will not have. Look for a coop PC mod rather quickly though, because it will drive SOMEONE crazy knowing someone else has something they don't. There are also reportedly only 5 or so multiplayer maps. I have not heard anything solid on this yet, the leaked PC gamer article does not touch on multiplayer at all. The shaky info I have heard is that iD went for quality over quantity. The multiplayer is supposed to be rather stealth based with the abilities to shoot out lights to setup ambushes etc... Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Sky on July 20, 2004, 01:21:29 PM It's too bad this game won't hit the bargain bin for years.
Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Glamdring on July 20, 2004, 01:42:27 PM Quote from: Rodent Upgrading for Doom is a classic. I remember having to run down to the shop and pick up another 4 mb ram for Doom II. Considering what computer parts cost now that's roughly a Radeon 9600/800 and a stick of 512 mb ram. Yup, but nowadays I have quite a few gaming options as opposed to my options when the original Doom released. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Neph on July 20, 2004, 02:50:42 PM I like how some people are like, "OMG, DooM 3 is going to rape my computer... BUT BRING ON HL2!!"
Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Rasix on July 20, 2004, 03:00:27 PM Quote from: Neph I like how some people are like, "OMG, DooM 3 is going to rape my computer... BUT BRING ON HL2!!" I'm sorry were not all as giddy as you. Fucking fanboi. For the record, I don't think anyone here said HL2 wouldn't bend their computer over and do nasty things to it. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: WayAbvPar on July 20, 2004, 03:41:23 PM Quote from: Neph I like how some people are like, "OMG, DooM 3 is going to rape my computer... BUT BRING ON HL2!!" I think expectations for HL2 are higher because of features like storyline and multiplayer that are largely absent from the Doom series. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Rodent on July 20, 2004, 04:31:02 PM Quote from: WayAbvPar I think expectations for HL2 are higher because of features like storyline and multiplayer that are largely absent from the Doom series. .... what the hell are you talking about? Doom II was the first fps I ever saw/played tournaments in. As for story, well you're probably right. Me I think everyone's drooling for HL2 because they're mouthbreathing CS players. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Rasix on July 20, 2004, 04:38:11 PM You do realize that Doom 3 multiplayer is limited to 4 people. I don't honestly give a flying fuck about the past. HL was the biggest online FPS force since Quake. HL2 is looking to carry on where HL left off.
Doom 3 doesn't look to be bringing anything new to the multiplayer experience. Really, am I missing something here? Edit: I honestly could give a shit about either. But when you look at both side by side, HL2 is the more ambitious project by far. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Big Gulp on July 20, 2004, 05:20:55 PM Quote from: Rodent Me I think everyone's drooling for HL2 because they're mouthbreathing CS players. Or maybe because it doesn't look like it's art department was comprised of mentally challenged 13 year old heavy metal fans. Flaming, screaming skulls? Check. Upside down head-spiders (obviously ripped off from The Thing)? Check. Undead zombies in camouflage with big guns? Check. A plastic sheen to every fucking object in the game? Check. All this thing lacks is an Iron Maiden soundtrack and you'll have every mongoloid in the land drooling over it. But yeah, the CS players are the idiots... Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Trippy on July 20, 2004, 06:04:44 PM Quote from: Alluvian Yup, 4 player max multiplayer. There will surely be mods to raise those caps though. How much of it is technical limitations and how much is gameplay decision is unknown to me at this time. It's a gameplay/map decision, not a technical limitation. http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/531/531027p1.html?fromint=1 Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Trippy on July 20, 2004, 06:11:52 PM Quote from: Rasix You do realize that Doom 3 multiplayer is limited to 4 people. I don't honestly give a flying fuck about the past. HL was the biggest online FPS force since Quake. HL2 is looking to carry on where HL left off. Doom 3 doesn't look to be bringing anything new to the multiplayer experience. Neither does HL2. HL2's multiplayer *is* Counter-Strike (well apparently it will have a co-op mode (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=93495) too). Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Trippy on July 20, 2004, 06:15:50 PM Quote from: Big Gulp Or maybe because it doesn't look like it's art department was comprised of mentally challenged 13 year old heavy metal fans. Flaming, screaming skulls? Check. Upside down head-spiders (obviously ripped off from The Thing)? Check. Undead zombies in camouflage with big guns? Check. A plastic sheen to every fucking object in the game? Check. You should read Masters of Doom by David Kushner. You'll get a better understanding where the id "look" comes from. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Margalis on July 20, 2004, 06:36:45 PM Dude, don't knock Iron Maiden!
Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Big Gulp on July 20, 2004, 07:09:48 PM Quote from: Trippy You should read Masters of Doom by David Kushner. You'll get a better understanding where the id "look" comes from. I just denigrated the "look" and you think I'd be interested in where it came from? I have a pretty good idea already; adolescent horror masturbatory fantasies sums it up fairly nicely. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Sky on July 21, 2004, 09:45:55 AM Yeah, the knocking of Iron Maiden, especially including the band relation to "OMFGDOOM3", is going too far.
4 player deathmatch! Woot Goldeneye flashback! Odd that's the same number of controller ports on an xbox, not that console development has any impact on the pc world. I can't think of anything that makes me the slightest bit inclined to buy Doom 3, so I guess I'll stop bashing it, no matter how easy and fun it is. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Megrim on July 21, 2004, 06:04:47 PM Oddly enough, your inability to think does not prevent you from posting.
/rimshot Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Trippy on July 21, 2004, 10:23:30 PM Official Doom 3 benchmarks:
http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQy Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: daveNYC on July 22, 2004, 06:52:19 AM Uh, from what I read they benchmarked it on one machine with 4 gigs of RAM, and another with 2 gigs. That's really nice and all, but it's not exactly useful information. That doesn't even begin to cover the fact that the three video cards were all top of the line.
Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Trippy on July 22, 2004, 09:22:38 AM Quote from: daveNYC Uh, from what I read they benchmarked it on one machine with 4 gigs of RAM, and another with 2 gigs. That's really nice and all, but it's not exactly useful information. That doesn't even begin to cover the fact that the three video cards were all top of the line. Did you not see the 5950 Ultra and 9800XT benchmarks on the second to last page? Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: daveNYC on July 22, 2004, 10:42:12 AM Quote from: Trippy Quote from: daveNYC Uh, from what I read they benchmarked it on one machine with 4 gigs of RAM, and another with 2 gigs. That's really nice and all, but it's not exactly useful information. That doesn't even begin to cover the fact that the three video cards were all top of the line. Did you not see the 5950 Ultra and 9800XT benchmarks on the second to last page? Missed them actually, but they're still $400. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: kidder on July 22, 2004, 11:13:05 AM Quote from: daveNYC Quote from: Trippy Quote from: daveNYC Uh, from what I read they benchmarked it on one machine with 4 gigs of RAM, and another with 2 gigs. That's really nice and all, but it's not exactly useful information. That doesn't even begin to cover the fact that the three video cards were all top of the line. Did you not see the 5950 Ultra and 9800XT benchmarks on the second to last page? Missed them actually, but they're still $400. There is a trick where you take this 5900XT card for $192.99 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-128-185&depa=0 Then you flash the card bios to a 5950 Ultra. (Sets the GPU and Memory clock to the 5950 levels and also bumps the card voltage by .1v) http://www.cluboverclocker.com/guides/5900_Flash_Mod/ There are varying degrees of success that I have read about. If the card acts up after flashing, you can usually go in with coolbits and underclock the card a bit to get it to run. Save about $100.00 by using this little trick. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Megrim on July 22, 2004, 06:07:11 PM Quote from: daveNYC Uh, from what I read they benchmarked it on one machine with 4 gigs of RAM, and another with 2 gigs. That's really nice and all, but it's not exactly useful information. That doesn't even begin to cover the fact that the three video cards were all top of the line. The article is essentially proving what most people consider assumed knowledge; this game will only run 'well' on the latest squeaky clean system. Everyone else will have to tweak, and tweak hard. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: daveNYC on July 23, 2004, 05:55:48 AM Quote from: Megrim Quote from: daveNYC Uh, from what I read they benchmarked it on one machine with 4 gigs of RAM, and another with 2 gigs. That's really nice and all, but it's not exactly useful information. That doesn't even begin to cover the fact that the three video cards were all top of the line. The article is essentially proving what most people consider assumed knowledge; this game will only run 'well' on the latest squeaky clean system. Everyone else will have to tweak, and tweak hard. Yeah, I'm just a little pissed that they go "Look, benchmarks!" and they don't bother giving results for a mainstream system. I don't really care if the FPS count is in the 10s, I just want the information. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Soukyan on July 23, 2004, 06:02:18 AM Quote from: daveNYC Quote from: Trippy Quote from: daveNYC Uh, from what I read they benchmarked it on one machine with 4 gigs of RAM, and another with 2 gigs. That's really nice and all, but it's not exactly useful information. That doesn't even begin to cover the fact that the three video cards were all top of the line. Did you not see the 5950 Ultra and 9800XT benchmarks on the second to last page? Missed them actually, but they're still $400. For $400, you're best off snagging the nVidia GeForce 6800 GT. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Sable Blaze on July 23, 2004, 10:39:09 AM Agree. Best bang-for-the-buck seems to be (it does hurt to say this--$400!) the 6800GT.
I've been going by Far Cry benchmarks, assuming this will be (more or less) similar to DOOM3. It's not pretty. I'm not sure 1600x1200 will be viable. I've been playing Quake2 some in preparation for DOOMsday, and I can barely see the HUD at this resolution. 1280x1024 (1280x968 in Q2) seems the best compromise. Framerates at 1600x1200 with any kind of filtering are abysmal on anything less than an X800PE or 6800Ultra. In Far Cry, 1280x1024 with 4xAA and 4xaniso, you can see framerates about 35-40fps with the 6800GT on a 2500 Barton. I don't recall the memory used, but my impression was it was good memory at half a gig. Those are good numbers. I'd say that's probably DOOM territory. Still...$400. Worse, I don't see prices on these cards coming down significatly any time soon. With demand going up from the release of DOOM3 and the fact HL2 is just around the corner, I think they'll stay steady throughout the summer, if not beyond. Even now, 6800GTs are backordered on many vendor sites. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: HaemishM on July 26, 2004, 01:54:54 PM Quote from: Trippy Quote from: daveNYC Uh, from what I read they benchmarked it on one machine with 4 gigs of RAM, and another with 2 gigs. That's really nice and all, but it's not exactly useful information. That doesn't even begin to cover the fact that the three video cards were all top of the line. Did you not see the 5950 Ultra and 9800XT benchmarks on the second to last page? Hate to tell you this, Sparky, but that is hardly what I would consider not top of the line cards. And the trick of flashing some shit to make it into an Ultra = More trouble than I'll ever care to do. Title: Doom 3 gone gold Post by: Alluvian on July 26, 2004, 02:03:18 PM Not sure what the flashing stuff does, but you can get a 5900XT gainward golden sample card and overclock it faster than the 5900 ultra easily (heck you can overclock it TO the ultra specs under full manufacturer warranty) for about $180. Not sure what exactly the difference with the 5950 is.
I am just abit annoyed that AFTER my computer purchase I found a person who could get me 40% all ATI products. That would have swung my allegience for this round. Ah well. Next card will probably be some 6900 geforce card whenever they drop to the $200 range or so. I just know my 5900xt even overclocked will be struggling with soon to be released games, but that is what I get for being on a serious computer upgrade budget. Ah well, I have no interest in AA or AF so with all that stuff off I can run better than those that insist on it at least. And even on my old geforce4 TI4200 I thought farcry ran just fine. |