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http://www.nexuswar.com/

Those of you that liked Urban Dead may like this. I think. I don't know. I'm of the same opinion as before. Text extinction is not real extinction.

I wandered, found someone hiding, stabbed him, ran away, logged off, laughed.

I tried it. You start with 50 action points which take 12 hours or so to regenerate.

For those wondering nearly every action in the game (attacking, searching, hell even talking) takes action points. 50 of them equate to you getting 2 mins of game play (attacking 1 person) maybe every 12 hours or so. 2 mins of game play per 12 hours.....the excitement is overwhelming.  :-P

Definitely not a game for powergamers:P

Yeah I mentioned the creator possibly using an RMT scenario whereby he sells additional Action Points for cash, thereby giving people more game play while raising funds for himself simultaneously. I thought the forums were going to implode from the fanboi hate it generated. LOL Lots of..."Joo suxor powergamer!"

I lol'ed.

Its intentionally a fixed AP game. You trolled them with requests for RMT purchases of extra APs so that you could gank everybody by out-spending them. Did you expect people to bow down and worship your desire to throw around huge gobs of cash to enhance your iSchlong?

He's new to the internet. Can't you tell?

I didnt troll them. I asked a question.

Why not increase AP's to provide atleast a good thirty minutes to an hour of playing time daily? I suggested a starting point of around 200-400 APs.

Someone mentioned the increased cost of bandwidth to which I suggested an RMT scheme where the creator could make money and additionally provide APs.

Sorry but thats not trolling, better luck next time.


And no Schild Im not new to the internet, I am new to web based AP games. So whats your fucking point? Oh thats right you dont have one.

People don't design every game to be played 30 minutes to an hour. They don't design EVERY game to you. Kingdom of Loathing was designed to be played in a fairly short amount of time. Same with many many many MANY other online games. It's so you can play it during a quick break during work and doesn't require much babying. Same with Travian. See, the great thing about the internet is, when you don't research something fully before commenting on it, you look like an asshole. Those of us who do research the shit out of everything gaming related look at people that don't and laugh. As far as I'm concerned, you are new to the internet - or at the very least - communicating with strangers on the internet. Do you see me running around websites telling people how to make their games? Shit, I don't even do that much here (unless specifically asked, during a beta, in a private forum). I used to when I was young and stupid. But not anymore. I sure wish someone had told me to READ MORE back in the day though.

You don't think the designer of the game knows about RMT and the possibility of making more money that way? Of course he fucking does. But balance is hard. And you can't laugh at them for chasing you away. That's what makes you look like the troll. HAHA, I GOT THOSE FUCKERS GOOD. INTERNETAINTMENT! HAR!

I've chosen to devote a good sector of my life to knowing more about games before I play them than most people know about them after I've played them. I can spout histories of games, designers, and where the industry will go with some genres and what they'll do with others. It is a hobby. It's a pretty self-absorbed, egotistical hobby - but it's a hobby. Many here would make wiseass remarks about it and probably still will. But I don't care. Righ knows about a lot, and he's right, you fucking trolled. You didn't read enough. Learn from it and don't be a dick. Righ's nice enough to wrap it in a bubble for you though.

Now, onto the design part. Odds are, if it gets uberpopular and it's not bringing in enough cash, he'll introduce something. But the guy is in the growth stage right now. He's not some huge fucking devhouse making a multimillion dollar RPG. Users are more important than making phat lewts at the bank. What good is money if there's no one around to give it to you? These are the things you need to think about before you post. It's the sort of thing that becomes second nature after a few years of posting on websites. The fun thing about the internet is that your perception of what you said means dickall. It's all about what other people think. The moment you posted, you set yourself up to be judged.

Schild, please post more.

It's your site, after all....

New job. No time. Kinda pissed about it. Have big plans. No time to execute. Must make time. Need time. Weekends I might have to start living breathing and eating f13. In fact, I've so little time, at my new job i'll be writing inbetween work in notepad and emailing it to myself - even then writing needs an incubation period. I've also been trying to work with PR and publishers, but they are for the most part shit. Just people who are terrible to work withing. Things aren't easy on this side of the traintracks. If I'd just stuck to dicking around with MMORPGs, this site would be easy. Because MMORPGs are easy. The companies are easy. The community representatives are easy. The PR is easy. But then, MMORPGs aren't interesting anymore. Or maybe they are. Whatever. In closing, yes, I want to post more and write more and do more. At this point, f13 needs more writers anyway. Especially for news on the frontpage. Once that gets settled, I can stop worrying about the frontpage so much and actually start thinking and writing about things that interest me again.

Glad your game research gives you some self-appointed feeling of superiority over those of us who have more important things to do with our time. Happy for you.


Not true in the least.

I didnt tell them how to make the game. I am fully cognisant of the limits of my knowledge on the subject. I asked a simple question, then I asked a follow up question. Some of the posters provided me with the information I needed, which I was grateful for. Others (fanboys) flamed me for even asking a question in the first place. Those fanboys are the ones I was laughing about.

Im sure the dev does. The RMT question/comment was directed at another poster in the forums who asked how the dev would pay for this additional bandwidth needed.

 No I didnt. As I stated previously I asked a simple question on their forums. Sorry but I have more important things to do than research the entire history of AP games so I satisfy some preconceived notion, by you or anyone else, of what I should "know" before Im allowed to ask questions.
I wasnt making sweeping statements...I was ASKING a question.

You know I am against banning people.  I really am.  But is it possible we could vote to have certain peoples posts limited to like 3 a day?  Or something? 

I know this sets some scary precedence, but my internet is really getting polluted lately.  It was amusing at first, but now it is getting annoying. 

You post more than I did at my peak and show no reason for doing so. You don't get to be a jackass, stop playing the role.

Because your extra APs don't just give you extra gameplay, they get you extra power.  In a multiplayer game.  In a game like that, your ability to affect the world, defeat other players, et cetera, is DIRECTLY RELATED to the number of APs you have.  So if you get 200 APs per day whereas everyone else gets 50, you have a 4:1 advantage against everyone else.  It's like buying a "premium" version of Counter-Strike where you play on the same server as everyone else but you get 400 health points.

I can't believe that any human being could be dumb enough not to see how that would be a bad thing for a multiplayer game.  The denizens of that other board probably couldn't believe it either, and figured you were just being a jackass, hence the flaming.  So which is it?  Retard or asshole?

Well my first suggestion or question was why not increase APs to give everyone around 30 mins or so of play time per day. I felt the current limit was unnecessarily constraining. I only mentioned the RMT route as one example of paying for additional bandwidth.


As for the RMT argument. Arent some games going to exactly that format in the future? Real world money equates to more powerful weapons and armor in PVP games? Wasnt there an article on here about an Asian game company doing just that with robots or something?

This line of debate takes us into the whole RMT v Non-RMT realm.

Why not just make every action require 15 clicks instead of 1?  Bam, your two minutes of gameplay is now 30.

Haha. This just keeps on giving. So now the person who trolled the game's forum wants it to consume more of his time, but he doesn't have enough time to read about it or other games, but he's got the highest post rate ever on F13, but he has more important things to do with his time. It's Schrodinger's thread.

You're right. I have time to PLAY a game, not study the entire history of the genre.
This amazes you?

BTW my post count averages about 13. Over the course of an 8 hour or more work day it averages to about 1 per hour. Whoopie fucking doo. Not to mention there are others whose post count average is around the same as mine.

Any other stupid shit you wish to point out and nick pick over? Or can we actually disucss the game this thread was based on now?

(http://forums.f13.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1681;type=avatar) (http://www.ao1-squad.com/bb/images/smilies/sniper3.gif)

I have time to fight the war, not study the entire history of war!

Now get out there and invade Russia in the winter, you fucking cowards!

--GF

Ah god, I can't stop laughing...the unintentional hilarity is astounding.

Think first, then post.

Why do these games only let you play 10 minutes a day? Because they are geared towards people that want a game like that. The point is not to spend 20 hours a week battling zombie hordes or space aliens. It's log in during lunch at work, wank around a bit, day over.

I want a game that will reach out and stroke my cock, you don't see me asking the makers of WOW for that.

500 AP is more than I can spend while eating lunch at work. That's why 500 AP is a bad idea. These games are geared for very low time investments.

5 minutes is not a significant chunk of time. 30 minutes+ is. That gets into "don't I have better shit to do?" territory.

The problem with casually asking about making the play-time 30 minutes is that it's a very ego-centric question. You don't have the time to think for 5 minutes or read some posts to try to understand WTF you are talking about, but you expect people to respond when you pester them with stupid questions.

I hate to bring up netiquette but I will. The core principal is when you step into a place FIRST you figure out WTF is going on THEN you start posting and adding questions. You don't jump right in with why is the sky blue, how come I can't play for half an hour, where is my lightsaber, etc etc.

If you don't have the time for the most basic research don't waste other people's time with your inanity.

I think we should limit Broughden to 50 AP a day, where each post takes 25 AP - but allow him to send in micropayments for more.

The inanity in the Vanguard thread (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=6843.175) hurt my brain:

TALE: Interesting new (Vanguard) video out of E3, featuring gameplay, bad hair and player housing. Jeff "one of the first SWG Jedi" Butler is building a better SWG.

BROUGHDEN: There were rumors on the net that LA might be working with someone (other than SOE) to build a better SWG, but I didnt mention them here since if there was anything to them I figured one of you guys would have heard about it and mentioned it already.

TALE: Please don't post ever again.

BROUGHDEN: What?  :|

Ha ha I missed that one.

Let's all gather round the campfire and trade Broughden horror stories while we eat Smores.

Isn't that a bit too much? To gang up on someone like that?  :oops:
Isn't that too easy?

I am the newest noobking around here, so I should just shut up.
But still, that feels a bit unfair.

(No I don't know Broughden, and I agree that he trolled. But still..).

That's not ganging up. I let him have what he deserved. Ganging up would imply we orchestrated it. I don't orchestrate things that early in the morning.

Ah ha!  Those alleged gang up posts were made at night!

<que bass music them> *DUN DUN DUN*

Stay tuned!

</soap opera off>

Poor schild.  He has a job now, you know, and he's not used to all this working and scheduling and rubbish like that.  He needs to meet a nice rich girl to take care of him in the manner he'd like to become accustomed to. 

I'm sure that Broughden knows that this is a gaming board filled with a bunch of people he doesn't know and hardly cares about... and that in reverse, too.  I'm also pretty sure he could care less what the make-believe people on the mythical intardweb forums think about him.  People who get their feelings hurt or get angry enough  don't bother coming back to f13 for more abuse.  I'm not going to worry much about him until I see pics with a sad face and real tears.

Edited for stuttering.

I love you Signe.  :heart: Just for you.... :wink:

(http://www.punjabkesari.com/health/health_files/crying.jpg)

I agree on everything you say.
I just don't like when everyone jumps on the bandwagon with the "leader" just to point and laugh.

Of course this is not the case. Maybe I just had a personal high-school related deja-vu. Only, those used to end with lots of cuts and bruises on both parties.
Gladly, as for me, this ends here. Sorry for interfering, especially cause I have nothing to say about Nexus War.  :)
Definitely my fault.

Like piranhas.

OK, Samwise, Righ, Cheddar, your in-depth and earthshatteringly insightfull reviews of Nexuswar after, let's see, wait for it, not much longer now, 12 minutes of game play! This ought to be good.

Who the fuck is this guy?  Lemme tell you buddy, I am fucking HARDCORE.  You are talking to someone that is currently playing UO.  RAR!

You ain't hardcore til you play in TEXT.

While you typed that, I was killing your text avatar.

Ganker.

I challenge thee.

http://www.gameszoo.org/rezork/rezork1.html

Oh, come on, certainly you can provide better critisism than "need to be able to play more daily" after 12 minutes of game play (or is it 14 minutes now). I'm sure people would like to hear it.

Actually I have provided nothing useful to this post.  At all.  At least critize that!  Where is your review Mr. Smarty Pants?

Yes, be careful.  Cheddar is very hardcore... all wrapped up in a pretty pink package.  (with ribbons)

<snicker> So says Feet. </snicker>

Don't call me that, Cheese Wiz!  I'm more hardcorer than you are!

Nice new avatar, Feet :)

Years from now, newbies will ask why we call Signe "Feet", and nobody will remember.

You're all dead to me.  I live in a forum of dead people.  Fucking zombies, that's you lot, that is.

Text based zombies though, not real zombies. Think of it as a newish browser based MMOG.

I'm not here for reviews. I'm here for the stupidity and hypocrisy.

CLEVER. VERY CLEVER.

I give this thread two thumbs up just for solidifying Signe's nickname in the face of her changed avatar.  Oh yes, she can change it to whatever she likes, but Feet she shall remain!

Da Vinci liked feet.

So does Tarantino.

<snicker>

Haha

But he does not know why.

(http://brendoman.com/images/MrDeeds-photo_10_hires.jpg)

I thought, that was what we are doing here ?

Not to bring this back on topic, but I kinda like it. It's a gankfest like none I've ever seen this side of Trammel, but hell...it's a text gankfest.

And yeah, feet is feet forever.

Hi.  This is my game.

Thought I'd say hi and see if there were any questions I could answer.

I was going to ask when it was going to be back online, but it looks like it already is.  Yay!

You  in IRC chat Sam?

Yeah.  Been having a . . .few. . . scaling problems.  Right now, it's running smooth.  But right now, it's one a.m PST.

Hm. I didn't last long in KoL. Dunno my length for here, but it's something to do at work.

More of an abstract question than gameplay, but what is your vision of how people will play this game?  Loggin once a day, or have people log in 5 minute sputs continously throughout the day?  I guess Im trying to understand what market you are targetting with this better.

BTW, the weapon breakage seems rather .... high.

Xilren

What are you wearing?

Ignore Feet, she's...feet.

As I stated above Jorm, I dig your game and have donated to it. (In an unofficial capacity, of course). It is a bit of a gankers' paradise, but I think that's kind of what you wanted, no? It's like Ragnarok on crack.

This is an interesting question, and one I've not been asked (which kind of surprises me).  I knew going into this that the "currency" is going to be "time" - in this case, action points.  That's what I'm "selling" (err, giving away).  So, with that in mind, what you'll *always* have are three distinct player styles:

1) The ones who savor each AP and log in throughout the day to get maximum benefit
2) The ones who prefer an orgy of AP expense, and log in twice a day to blow 50 at once
3) (The largest group) who log in 4 or 5 times a day and blow 20-30 AP at once.

Playstyle is actually independant of how "hardcore" someone is about the game (e.g., heavily involved in metagame/forum activity), and that's difficult to measure (even though NW has "official" forums, most metagame appears to take place outside of there - either using the ingame faction mail system or external forums).

The answer is that I expect people's activity to change over the course of the existence of a character, but that I don't expect or am focused towards specific play styles.  The reason why I expect things to change over time is the death penalty:  1 AP per character level.  Since you can be (reasonably) assured of being dead whenever you log in, as you get "older" it becomes advantageous to let as many AP charge up as possible.  This is actually the reason as to why higher level characters can store more AP than lower level ones - to offset their death penalty, if they have one.

Crafters, readers, lockpickers, engineers - they tend to be "blow it all at once."   Most healers and combat characters are in the last group - 3-4 times a day.  The *dedicated* combat characters comprise the bulk of the first group (and these guys level the fastest for two reasons:  1) targets come to them [they play like trapdoor spiders] and 2) they are often likely to interrupt people attacking them, and thus have death reduced).

I don't know if I've answered your question, however, as the answer is kind of vague.  I want to support "casuals" who do drive by playing but honestly the bulk of my work goes into supporting community building and identity (which isn't so 'drive by').


Several reasons for this, but primarily it is that weapon breakage is the primary penalty for death before level 10.

In alpha, for several months, people "corpsified" and all their gear was left there (and available to be looted by other characters or themselves).  It was. . . a serious kick to new players, so that got tossed out and weapon quality was introduced.

I keep the number as high as it is to artificially regulate the amount of broken weaponry and armor so that crafters and repairers have a steady supply of stuff to work with.

Whatever you want me to.

Edit: ack!  there doesn't seem to be a "double post" button.

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!

Just spotted this (http://forums.nexuswar.com/viewtopic.php?t=4949) on the official forums.  Coming soon: micropayments for in-game pieces of flair, like custom titles. 

It's sort of like Broughden's idea, except not at all shitty -- none of the things you can buy will affect game balance in any way (Jorm is very clear on this point).  Be interesting to see how popular the perks end up being.