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Ghost Rider trailer now up (http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/ghostrider/index.html).

Fuck, why would they want to put a trailer out this far in advance.  From the looks of this, they should have kept this shit hidden for as long as possible.  Looks like it has the potential to be "Catwoman" bad.

Man, those effects look cheap.


But I guess that means I'll like it....A little  :evil:

Yeah his skull, among other things, just looks wrong for whatever reason. Also a February release date means Columbia doesn't have much confidence in the film.

I liked the trailer. But I don't expect great things from the movie anyway, because Nick Cage is either hit or miss for me. In the movies that are big budgety action types, he hasn't been great. He's better in movies like Lord of War.

Bah, it has nothing to do with Neil Peart. I lost interest when I clicked.

Do me a favor, order these 7 issues and read them (http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=35362625106&snumber=1).  They collect the final 14 issues of the Johnny Blaze series.  This is the real Ghost Rider, not the early issues where Blaze was in control of the Ghost Rider, and not the 90's series.  At this point in the series Johnny isn't in control when he transforms.  The Ghost Rider himself is a sadistic demon that likes to fry peoples' souls.  Johnny still has enough control to compell the demon to go after the guilty for the most part, but it's still fun watching the Ghost Rider torment people and it really feels like more of a curse than just giving a guy a flaming skull and superpowers.  Seriously, read that shit.

Edit: Normally I wouldn't suggest ordering anything for Milehighcomics since their prices tend to be fucking rip-offs.  This is a pretty good deal though for these issues.

Could someone point me to a mirror of these trailers?

Can't get it to load.

If not, don't worry about it.  I'm not on the edge of my seat.

Think they trailers are exclusive to Apple.com for now.

True but you can view on Youtube (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6FcqwWm_x7E&search=ghost%20rider), before it gets taken down that is.

Hm. I thought it looked decent. Better than The Punisher or Catwoman, certainly.

Nic Cage just seems wrong for the role.

I agree.  He seems to be miscast a lot, in my opinion.  He was great in National Treasure, though.

He has too much of a baby-face to play most tough-guy roles.  You can't feel threatened by someone whose cheeks you always want to pinch.  He does make for a rather hot geek though...

I can tell anyone thinking of watching this movie that it's probably safe to just skip it.

It looks horrible - Ghost Rider could be dark but this looks jokey and dopey. The guy is the Spirit of Vengeance!

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I have very pinchable cheeks - hate them. I hate my face. I never smile because it makes my chipmunk cheeks even worse. (Plus - I'm an asshole and never smiling comes with that territory)

I have the body of an underwear model too - what a waste. Like God did that to torment me on purpose.

Okay that was a bit dramatic but the general point stands.

It's pretty bad and none of the other guys that watched it at my work liked it either.  Bad acting (although Cage isn't too bad), bad villains, and special effects that range from meh to shit.  If you have to watch a new movie this weekend, watch Breach.

It's sad that the theater here is $2.50 on Tuesday nights and I'm still wondering if it's worth it to see this.

You can go watch Bridge to Terabithia.  If you enjoy watching children cry as they leave the theater you'll get your $2.50's worth.

What is with that movie anwyay?


(SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)


Isn't that a book where some girl swings on a rope in a storm, falls off and drowns?

How the hell did that get turned into some Narnia thing? Is that their imaginary world or something?

I always am amused that there is an entire genre of books meant to freak out kids. Bridge to Terabithia, A Taste of Blackberries, Chicken Little, etc. Kind of fucked up. Who writes that stuff, sadists?

Edit: Looking on IMDB apparently the fantasy stuff is just trailer garbage meant to trick kids into going because Disney doesn't have the balls to market the movie based on what actually happens in it.

Also it is full of

PARENTS READ!!!
SPOILER
I JUST GOT BACK AND..!!!

I added a spoiler to my own comments just now, just in case someone here lacks a 3rd grade education. :-P

Edit2: Holy God, I cannot stop laughing. (Although, actually..this is kind of similar to what I just said above...)


vampirehipi23  wrote:

Somehow this turned into an entire thread! Someone further down agreed and complained about the effects! THE EFFECTS! (Although some of that you can blame on the bait-and-switch trailers)

What an amazing world we've made for ourselves - someone writes a heartfelt tale about friendship and loss (based on a true story) and people complain that the movie version didn't have enough CGI crap in it!

I fell asleep with the TV on the other night, and I woke up to what I believe was a commercial.  It was a rather long clip of a scene in Ghost Rider.  I'm fairly sure that whatever I was watching wasn't interviewing anyone from the movie, so I doubt it was  a promotional clip... either way, that convinced me to save my time.  The best way to advertise a movie like this is to not show a single goddamn thing in the  hopes that people haven't realized to recognize that as a sign of shit to come.

Like with Catwoman, when none of the trailers had a word of dialogue in them.

I think it can be pretty much blamed completely on the bait-and-switch trailers.  It's like Disney realized they weren't going to have another Narnia ready this year, so they felt compelled to market this movie as some kind of fantasy.  Having read the book in school as a kid, after watching the trailer the first time I thought there was no way in hell they were going to do make the movie anything like the book, let alone keep the ending.  But they did, and now I have crying kids and angry parents to look forward to, like the parent who complained that the Transformers trailer in front of Night at the Museum scared her kids and gave them nightmares (I think they were 6 and 8 years old).  Kids are whiny bitches today.

I have nightmares from the Transformers trailer but I'm sure it's for totally different reasons.

We did what we never do and went to a movie on a Friday night because we had babysitting available. Wanted to see Breach but it was sold out. I was parking the car so my wife bought tickets to Ghost Rider.  It wasn't the absolute worst movie I've ever seen, but it was pretty lousy. It was just boring. The fight scenes were really stupid and it was too long. Mendes has some nice hooters though.


Lesson: don't let your wife buy the movie tickets.

Yeah, a bunch of friends showed me the clip thinking I'd love it, but it made me decide my blood pressure would not take seeing the movie.

Also, here's another spoiler:

DON'T TAKE CHILDREN TO SEE PAN'S LABYRINTH. It's a great movie, but man... they really need warn people that just because a movie has an animated demi-human in it doesn't mean it's okay for kids. I would normally say it's on the parents to know, but every ad I've seen here in the States for it makes it out to be another Narnia too. Man, somebody needs to go back and CG a unicorn or something into Stalingrad, make some TV ads and posters with bunnies drinking tea, and then film the audience.

I'd take a kid to a Saw movie before I'd take them to the bloodbath that is Pan's Labyrinth.  Seriously.  Not at all a kids' movie.

I don't know to many people that take their kids to see movies with subtitles anyway.

My mom took me to subtitled movies at every opportunity when I was a kid.  Especially if they were in Spanish, because then I got to practice my reading and she got to ignore the subtitles and practice her Spanish.

Come to think of it, I should probably warn her off this one lest she bring my littler siblings to see it.

Hell, I know all too many adults that won't watch movies with subtitles.  If they wanted to read, they'd get a book they all say.  It's a sad world.

I think that's why I was dragged to a bunch of subtitled movies as a child.  My mother also knows a lot of adults like that, and didn't want me growing up to be one of them.   :-P

I've known people who wouldn't even watch black and white movies with me. Not even fairly recent, stylized-to-be-black-and-white films like Raging Bull or Pi. Let alone Sunset Blvd or the Third Man. Forget about subtitled b&w films.

As far as I'm concerned, they've missed out on so many required rite of passage moments in cinema that they aren't worth talking to about anything.

When I saw Pan's.. there was a lady and what I assumed was her grandson sitting a  just few rows behind me.  The kid wanted to leave because he would have to read. He was very upset that it was in Spanish. Spoiled fat little turd; embodiment of all that sucks with this country.  It was nice to be bothered by this for the first 10-15 minutes of the movie.

So grandma whispered the entire movie to him.  I wanted to turn around and fucking scream at them. My wife knows how much I hate talkers in movies, hate noisey kids, hate parents that take their kids to movies they shouldn't see.  The look on her face when the whispering started was priceless.  Pure worry that I as about to fly off into a rage.  Hand on her purse, like we'd have to flee the movie after I threw junior down into the first row from the stadium seating.

Somehow I managed to block the whispering from my mind and get on with watching the movie.  This is the most self restraint I've ever shown in any situation that Ican think of.  I'm not sure how I did it..

That said.. I hope the little bastard had nightmares and grandma is blamed for it and thrown in a nursing home.

In the same boat as you. Last few times at the theater I haven't showed much restraint.

I'll probably get killed in a theater one day.

The fucking movie is Rated R.

What more do they need?

RATED R!!!!!!

Anyone who ignores that, I hope they DO take the kid to see the movie- I just want them to be put in their own separate theater, away from the people who really want to see the movie.

But how do you really feel Rasix??

The trailer people do try to intentionally mislead people, but yes, the movie is rated R. Bridge is rated PG I believe. Not that I think kids shouldn't watch Bridge, just that the trailers are very misleading.

Subtitles are fine with me. They are slightly annoying in movies that have a lot of visual detail. But that is a small price to pay to see a good movie and avoid an awful dub.

Heh....

Has anyone ever seen The Adventures of Baron Munchausen?  It's not bad,  but it's heavily stylized and feels like a kids movie.....   right until you see Uma Thurman's breasts.

Watched it in college,  and we couldn't figure out in the slightest what demographic that movie was shooting for.

That's the case with almost all of Gilliam's movies, I think (Munchausen is great btw).

The most recent is the Brothers Grimm. When I saw it, I was like, "Hey, this actually might be Gilliam's first children's movie. It not only looks like one, but it acts like one...".

I thought that right up until the point where I saw a little kitten get torn into shreds by a 19th century torturing device.

I love a good many foreign movies and own a bunch of 'em, but the problem is that I never watch them anymore because of the way I watch TV.  I tend to multitask, and will sit at my desk either drawing or screwing around on the computer while watching a movie.  That's fine for English language movies, but I can't watch a subtitled movie like that.  Consequently, my copies of Das Boot, Downfall, Stalingrad, and all the Kurosawa movies I own never see my DVD player beyond their first viewing (when I actually give a movie my undivided attention).

People who like Terry Gilliam flicks. Seriously.

I love Munchausen, but I can see movie audiences just completely perplexed by it. It was the movie he did after Brazil, which I'm also sure coldcocked American moviegoers with the confusion fish.

As for Bridge, I've never read the book, and after seeing the trailer, really did think "Hey, that looks like Narnia." Disney execs should take some heat for that, because it sounds so badly mismarketed as to be a bait and switch.

The 3 people I've heard who went to see Ghost Rider all liked it.

My girlfriend and I went to see Ghost Rider last night. She liked it more than I did. It had some good moments and a few meh moments, but I wouldn't say it was bad. To me it felt like most first installments, dragged down by the origin story, and some stuff that later gets fleshed out was somewhat skimpy. My biggest complaint was that Ghost Rider had only a few tricks up his sleeve in combat and he took out all but the last bad guy way to easily IMO.

And where was my montage damn it? I deserve a montage of Ghost Rider killing muggers and rapists and shit. Stopping bank robbers. Frying a kitten in a tree on accident. That kind of thing.

The best moment in the movie btw is shown in the trailers, the two Ghost Riders, past and present, riding together across the desert. I also liked the stylized Western music in that scene.

ETA: My take on individual actors:

Nic Cage: Did a pretty good job IMO. You could tell he was really into the movie and Eva's character. He wasn't always tortured enough for my taste.
Eva Mendes: Umm...she looked good. Her acting was pretty much like every other movie she's been in.
Peter Fonda: Tied for the best acting in the movie. I loved his version of the devil. I thought he was legitimately creepy and the movie was better every time he was in it. He also made me wish they'd had the balls to make the movie R and turned it into a genuine horror movie with some superhero trappings.
Sam Elliot: Is this guy even capable of bad acting? He was the other best actor in the movie. He added alot of heart to his role and I would love to see a prequel with his character, and I never want to see prequels usually.
The Villain: He was ok. I spent most of the movie wondering why he looked so familiar. I didn't know the actor but something in the way he was made up reminded me of some other character from another movie but I was never able to put my finger on it. The dude's dialogue wasn't terribly cheesy but it was the same stuff villains like him always say. For Example: He's in a church and a priest walks out he says "forgive me Father for I have sinned. Alot." Yeah, didn't see that coming.


If I had to rank superhero movies (only starting from the '70s here and what I've seen)

Superman 1 (I admit pure nostalgia carries this one for me. Best. Tagline. Ever. "You will believe a man can fly." and I did after that movie.)
Spiderman 2/Batman Begins - tie
Spiderman 1
Xmen 2
Xmen 3/Superman 2. - tie (sorry guys, I didn't think Xmen 3 was a total turd of a movie like you did.)
Xmen 1
Ghost Rider
Batman Returns (the penguins with rockets strapped to their backs lost this movie nearly all the credit that the early parts had built up)
Fantastic Four
Batman Forever
Batman and Robin

On a sidenote, I didn't realize Cage got his stage name from Luke Cage. Luke freakin' Cage.

That's actually pretty cool.

He also named his son Kal-El.

Not sure if that's cool or not.

No.

Yeah, it totally should have been Zod.