Title: Hostel Post by: schild on April 27, 2006, 02:52:23 AM Fuck this movie.
Not sure how else to say it. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: schild on April 27, 2006, 03:03:09 AM On that note, Takashi Miike plays Takashi Miike. I'm fairly sure he had more to do with the movie than Eli Roth or Quintin Tarantino. But you know me, still the same 'ol G.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Wolf on April 27, 2006, 03:19:44 AM Haven't seen it. Don't intend to. The synopsis made me wish to slash my wrists.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: stray on April 27, 2006, 03:20:35 AM Probably won't bother with it until it pops on TV.
Speaking of that, I waited too long to see Ichi the Killer (came on the other night). Title: Re: Hostel Post by: schild on April 27, 2006, 03:23:43 AM Watching those movies on TV doesn't make much sense (the Miike stuff). It's too good for TV. As in, even on the most uncensored of channels, it'll still be sensored.
As for Hostel, I liked the synopsis. Sure, it's a wretched abortion of a ripoff of Most Dangerous Game, but it's a reasonable plot. I just wish the gore wasn't such cheese. The movie took itself too seriously. That doesn't happen often. It terribly, really, badly wanted to be a great arthouse flick of sorts. It failed. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: stray on April 27, 2006, 03:30:27 AM Watching those movies on TV doesn't make much sense (the Miike stuff). It's too good for TV. As in, even on the most uncensored of channels, it'll still be sensored. Do you mean TV or cable? It's hard to imagine a version being more gruesome than the one I watched (think it was Showtime or TMC, not sure). Title: Re: Hostel Post by: schild on April 27, 2006, 03:43:01 AM Eh. I would be surprised if they played the uncut version of Ichi on pay per view let alone anywhere else. But I'm only assuming as I've only seen the uncut version.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Llava on April 27, 2006, 03:43:20 AM I've come to the conclusion that I don't like watching suffering for the sake of watching suffering. I realized this somewhere in the middle of Devil's Rejects, whereas before I mistook it for squeamishness.
I still like slasher movies, but give me something aside from the pain and gore. That should only be the window dressing for the movie you're actually making. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: schild on April 27, 2006, 03:45:51 AM Hostel would have been fine if Eli Roth didn't think he was such an arteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeest.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Wolf on April 27, 2006, 04:03:08 AM You liked the synopsis 'cause you don't live in Eastern Europe. American movie makers have the weirdest idea about what the fuck is going on here and I generally tend to skip movies that are in/about the region because 90% of them are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: schild on April 27, 2006, 04:06:07 AM You disliked it because you weren't informed. The only reason they put it in Eastern Europe was so they could make a Bratislava joke.....again.
Quote The horror behind “Hostel” seems to be based on a non-existent urban legend. Apparently Roth heard of a similar torture/murder operation in Thailand through some web site, but never discovered if it was true. He did say that the fact someone had thought of it and that people were debating whether or not it was true was creepy enough. Edit: Also, Thailand would probably have not been too interesting. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Lt.Dan on April 27, 2006, 06:39:33 AM I don't know, Deer Hunter scared the shit out of me. Bad mojo in Thailand.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: bhodi on April 27, 2006, 07:48:17 AM Scott: A dollar and 83 cents American. What can we get for that?
[cut to a lavish Slovak hotel] (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356150/) Scott: Gotta love that exchange rate! Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Toast on April 27, 2006, 03:08:28 PM My friends from Bratislava are not happy about this movie. Bratislava is a pretty cool city that most americans know nothing about, and this movie pisses all over it.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Bunk on April 27, 2006, 04:51:43 PM Full agreement with Llava here. You couldn't pay me to watch that shit.
I understand Suspense movies - they are scary. Being scared is fun and exhilerating. I even understand Horror movies - over the top Gore is gross and entertaining at the same time. The thing is though - its over the top. But Torture? A fucking movie about Torture. Why? I haven't seen the movie and I have no intention too, because the synopsis basically says its a movie about people torturing people for fun. Making me remember just how fucked up humanity can be is not entertainment for me. I put it on the same level as snuff based erotic fiction. No thanks. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Flood on April 27, 2006, 10:47:24 PM Well I'm all for the gore aspect, and the technology involved in a movie that makes it look more "real". There is enough technology now to make most gore effects completely real. I also can intellectualize the excercise of going to the extreme side of one dynamic as art, satire, social commentary, blah blah.
But. Nothing so base and cruel should be packaged, marketted and made into a commodity. There are just some things that are not acceptable as social fodder. I'll pass. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Sky on April 28, 2006, 06:58:48 AM I haven't seen the Devil's Rejects yet, but I liked House of 1000 Corpses because it was some funny shit, not because there was omgtorture! Those were actually the weakest parts of the film imo.
This Hostel...just looks stupid. I saw an extended trailer on INHD or something and couldn't be less interested. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Johny Cee on April 28, 2006, 09:11:07 PM I'll say first that I liked Hostel. I also liked Cabin Fever. I like how Roth takes a movie in one direction, with every indication of continuing in that direction, and then drops a seriously fucked up horror situation right in the middle of it.
I think one of the major problems with US horror right now is that film makers have forgotten that you have to adequately set up the backstory and situation before you can drop the fucked up on the characters. Predator is a great, entertaining, enjoyable monster flick. Scifi channel churns out dozens of shitty monster flicks with virtually the same plot, and they are by and large TERRIBLE. A couple are mediocre. In Predator, you establish the characters and their motivations. You illustrate that these guys are badasses. And then you slowly kill them off. Arnold wins in the end, not so much from crazy fluke chance, as from the fact that the predator has crazy Greek levels of hubris and acts according to the nature that was set up for it early on. In the shitty stuff, you glance at it and you know which character will die, which will get together, and you know the monster will be dispatched in some suitably freak explosion on the cusp of winning. I liked the fact I had a dislike for the main characters. They're overbearing, arrogant, selfish. Huge glaring flaws. Like the homophobe that's obviously in the closet and not dealing with it well. Or the hispanic that's trying hard to be the proto-typical WASP frat boy. And the fact that they're on a hedonisitic binge while trying to ignore these things that are obviously on thier minds. It's enough material to make a passable drama about maturity. Then, bang, straight into fucked up territory. The homophobe killed by the man who's advance he violently objected to. The hispanic having to first deny he's American, and then he's confronted by the ugly American businessman in the changing room. Their he gets to see the morally and ethically bankrupt individual concerned with the trappings of power and success that he was aiming for. Stylistically, the gore is over the top. And this is a personal matter. I enjoy films that have only heavily sanitized violence (Leone's Spaghetti Westerns for instance), but I don't have a real problem with the gore. If you do have a problem with gore, then this isn't your movie. Roth main characters, for me at least, tend to be just like people I have known. Unlike standard horror. Who hasn't known the imbecile, but massively amusing and somewhat likeable, character like Bert from Cabin Fever? I knew guys like the two main characters in Hostel in college, almost exactly. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: jpark on May 01, 2006, 12:48:43 PM Not bad flick but did it scare me? No. I still re-watch the sci fi flick Event Horizon for a good scare :)
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: schild on May 01, 2006, 12:49:29 PM Event Horizon might have broken me forever. It's actually far scarier than most would think (those who haven't seen it of course).
But then, I think Congo is scary as hell. I don't do well with gorillas. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Morfiend on May 01, 2006, 01:20:47 PM Event Horizon might have broken me forever. It's actually far scarier than most would think (those who haven't seen it of course). But then, I think Congo is scary as hell. I don't do well with gorillas. I thought I was going to have a heart attack during that movie. My friends and I got really really stoned (bad fucking idea) and went to see it. It is now forever imprinted on my brain as one of the most scary movies ever. I think I had nightmares for about 2 months. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Llava on May 01, 2006, 01:54:05 PM I haven't seen the Devil's Rejects yet, but I liked House of 1000 Corpses because it was some funny shit, not because there was omgtorture! Those were actually the weakest parts of the film imo. This Hostel...just looks stupid. I saw an extended trailer on INHD or something and couldn't be less interested. I liked House of 1000 Corpses as well. It was pretty funny. Rob Zombie decided to take out all the charm and just make a violent, brutal film that's really hard to watch. I had a particularly hard time with the motel room scene. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Ralence on May 01, 2006, 02:05:38 PM Event Horizon might have broken me forever. It's actually far scarier than most would think (those who haven't seen it of course). I'll see your Event Horizon, and raise you an In The Mouth of Madness. In my 33 years, those are the only two movies that have really creeped me out. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: schild on May 01, 2006, 02:07:08 PM Ah, I have In the Mouth of Madness. It didn't do much for me, but I liked it. It takes a special movie to scare the shit out of me. Very few have done it. The Ring did it the FIRST time I saw it. Now Japanese horror doesn't do much to me. Phone got me pretty good, and most Korean horror still does. Maybe it's the language.
But ya, Mouth of Madness is good stuff. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Lantyssa on May 01, 2006, 06:39:27 PM Odd. For me, Event Horizon was creepy until the end. When the source of the horror was revealed I was so dumbfounded that it lost all effect on me. I guess it violated my sense of disbelief. It's a shame because I really liked it up to that point.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: schild on May 01, 2006, 06:44:59 PM That's what happened with Stephen King's it. When it becomes a shitty stop motion animation spider, it loses all appeal.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Johny Cee on May 01, 2006, 07:08:43 PM Ah, I have In the Mouth of Madness. It didn't do much for me, but I liked it. It takes a special movie to scare the shit out of me. Very few have done it. The Ring did it the FIRST time I saw it. Now Japanese horror doesn't do much to me. Phone got me pretty good, and most Korean horror still does. Maybe it's the language. But ya, Mouth of Madness is good stuff. The Thing! Wilford Brimley talking to Kurt Russell with the noose in the foreground, Kurt Russell holding everyone off with a stick of dynamite and a flare, and the pure paranoia. Oh, and the last scene. I just said it on Some Other Site, but.... Event Horizon was really, really, really creepy if you went into it not knowing that it was a horror flick and Sam Niell wasn't the main character. Mouth of Madness is about the nearest thing we've come to a Lovecraft style horror/wierd fiction movie. I'd love to see a Shadow over Innsmouth or Call of Cthulthu done right. (And no, the movie Dagon doesn't count) Alien..... I can respect Alien, because it's an old horror plot done very well. Like I can respect Ian Mckellan's Richard III. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Samwise on May 01, 2006, 07:09:40 PM (And no, the movie Dagon doesn't count) Lies! :cthulu: Title: Re: Hostel Post by: schild on May 01, 2006, 07:10:43 PM Hmmm. Cthulhu could make for some good movies.
And I like Sam Neill. I like Stellan Skarsgaard also. I clump them in the same category of underused actors - or misused. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Toast on May 01, 2006, 09:29:15 PM Here's another vote for Event Horizon. The scene where the square lights start randomly going off in the tunnel. UGH.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Sky on May 02, 2006, 07:56:45 AM Quote It takes a special movie to scare the shit out of me. Very few have done it. The Ring did it the FIRST time I saw it. I agree. The first time I saw it, the cinematography and soundtrack were spot on for a good chill. I also love the inserted art school style footage.The second flick did nothing for me, though I enjoyed it better the second time I saw it (it was just making the HD movie channel rounds). I love movies with good cinematography over just about any other factor, really. I blame art school. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: HaemishM on May 02, 2006, 08:18:14 AM Event Horizon was a really good creepy movie, IMO. Other people pan the shit out of it, I think mainly because they expected a sci-fi film.
The Ring Two (American version) was a useless waste of time trying to rehash the first one, only WITH MORE CREEPY GIRL. Here's a hint, American horror directors. Less is more. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Lantyssa on May 02, 2006, 08:46:23 AM Event Horizon was a really good creepy movie, IMO. Other people pan the shit out of it, I think mainly because they expected a sci-fi film. Considering it was for the first 90 out of 96 minutes, can you really blame us?Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Morfiend on May 02, 2006, 11:57:16 AM Event Horizon was a really good creepy movie, IMO. Other people pan the shit out of it, I think mainly because they expected a sci-fi film. Considering it was for the first 90 out of 96 minutes, can you really blame us?Thats what made it so fucked up and creepy when the shit did start to get wierd. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: raydeen on May 02, 2006, 12:10:48 PM My two pants shitting movies: The Hitcher and Prince of Darkness. PoD doesn't hold up as well (not quite the same chills as when I was 14 or so and saw it in the theatre), but The Hitcher still gets me everytime I see it. Event Horizon was good but didn't quite hit the high mark at the end. As for Stephen King's IT, the book was great, the movie, not so much. The only really good SK movie is Salem's Lot and it was so different from the book that I think that's what saved it. It went different directions and thus didn't have to be really compared to the book. It stood on it's own merits.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Signe on May 02, 2006, 12:47:10 PM You're right... Prince of Darkness now is actually very amusing. More giggles than eeks, I think. The Hitcher totally upset me, though! I thought "IT" was a terrible film and the book would have been 100% better if 50% had been edited out.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Murgos on May 02, 2006, 01:44:39 PM The Hitcher totally upset me, though! Rutger Hauer has that effect on most people. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: HaemishM on May 03, 2006, 09:31:07 AM The only really good SK movie is Salem's Lot and it was so different from the book that I think that's what saved it. It went different directions and thus didn't have to be really compared to the book. It stood on it's own merits. You forget The Shining, which was a great movie if only because the director (Kubrick) was involved and put his own creepy spin on the story. The more book-accurate one with Rebecca DeMornay and that Wings guy from later on? Not soo good. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: stray on May 03, 2006, 09:43:21 AM Stephen King's best stories/film adaptations aren't even horror (Shawshank, Stand By Me, Dolores Claiborne, Green Mile, Apt Pupil), but as far horror goes, I think he's had more than the Shining to be proud of: Misery, Cujo, Dead Zone?
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Signe on May 03, 2006, 10:45:20 AM Misery pissed me off. After I read it, I started referring to it as Pissery. Dammit.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: bhodi on May 03, 2006, 10:49:02 AM I liked ride the bullet.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: schild on May 03, 2006, 10:58:37 AM Stephen King's best stories/film adaptations aren't even horror (Shawshank, Stand By Me, Dolores Claiborne, Green Mile, Apt Pupil), but as far horror goes, I think he's had more than the Shining to be proud of: Misery, Cujo, Dead Zone? The first 2.5 hours of It... Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Signe on May 03, 2006, 11:57:58 AM He retired, didn't he? Not that he doesn't have enough stuff to publish for the next decade or two....
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Merusk on May 03, 2006, 05:56:48 PM He retired, didn't he? Not that he doesn't have enough stuff to publish for the next decade or two.... Yes, but for someone as prolific as King that means he writes a new book every 3-5 years instead of every 1-2. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Samwise on May 17, 2006, 09:42:44 PM I just saw Hostel and I think it was one of the funniest "horror" movies I've ever seen. Is this a normal reaction or am I disturbed?
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Broughden on May 17, 2006, 09:48:00 PM You liked the synopsis 'cause you don't live in Eastern Europe. American movie makers have the weirdest idea about what the fuck is going on here and I generally tend to skip movies that are in/about the region because 90% of them are ridiculous. Ive spent quite a bit of time there myself. Where in Eastern Europe do you live? And to stay on topic.....Hostel sucked big giant hairy bull balls. Oh and as for a good scary movie, although most of you will be to young to have seen it or remember it: 'When A Stranger Calls' the original 1979 version. Good scary recent flicks? The Mothman Prophecies....great low boil spooky thriller. Communion...based on the book by author Whitley Strieber about his own abudction experiences. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Der Helm on May 18, 2006, 02:28:24 AM Event Horizon might have broken me forever. It's actually far scarier than most would think (those who haven't seen it of course). "liberate tutemae ex inferis" I agree, that was one of the scariest movies I ever saw. I can't even remember the end of the movie, and I don't know why. Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Lantyssa on May 18, 2006, 07:52:31 AM I agree, that was one of the scariest movies I ever saw. I can't even remember the end of the movie, and I don't know why. Because the end of it was the scariest thing ever. Your mind had to shut it out to save you.Unintentionally though. It was so jarring and 'WTF!?' your mind simply cannot fathom what they were thinking. I literally went from "this is an awesome movie" to "this is utter rubbish" in the span of thirty seconds (it took my brain some time to catch on to the 'twist' ending, else it would have been faster). Title: Re: Hostel Post by: Xilren's Twin on May 18, 2006, 07:54:38 AM Event Horizon might have broken me forever. It's actually far scarier than most would think (those who haven't seen it of course). "liberate tutemae ex inferis" I agree, that was one of the scariest movies I ever saw. I can't even remember the end of the movie, and I don't know why. For some reason, Event Horizons is firmly linked to the Hellraiser series of movies in my mind, but I enjoyed it much more. How many of those pinhead movies have they made now? Ok, I'll admit that Poltergeist scared the crap outta me when I was 8. Haunted TV, scary clowns, things in the closet. It was built to milk kid fears. And actually, the first Friday the 13th movie did the same. Hey, I was young. Xilren Title: Re: Hostel Post by: stray on May 18, 2006, 12:04:52 PM The tree scared the crap out of me. Never had a fear of clowns though.
Title: Re: Hostel Post by: angry.bob on May 19, 2006, 12:02:06 AM American movie makers have the weirdest idea about what the fuck is going on here What, it had both shades of grey that everything in Eastern Europe is made in - sooty grey and muddy grey. Plus, it looked like they portrayed the economy booming with a mere 85% unemployment rate. 95% if you discount the commonplace supermodels luring tourists to their deaths in exchange for something to eat besides Soviet issue gruel. And everyone knows you can easily hire roving bands of orphans to kill for you in exchange for a bag of lollipops. Just kidding. My in laws are trying to convince me to emigrate to Nyiregyhaza (sp?) in Hungary. Is that anywhere near where you are? It looks pleasant enough, but I'm not keen on learning a new language at this point in life. Besides, they're US citizens themselves now, so who knows how hard/easy it would be for them to repatriate. Oh, and the movie was total ass. Even the nude scenes sucked. |