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Title: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Gutboy Barrelhouse on April 26, 2006, 03:31:57 PM
Imagine an eBay style feedback system for WoW. Somebody up and leave your group in the middle of an instance? Just leave them negative feedback. Find an awesome player to group with? Leave them positive feedback. Before grouping with anybody, pull up their feedback (preferably inside the game.)


http://monkeymodulator.livejournal.com/27795.html#cutid1

While I do not play or have played WoW, this seems to be a system that may work in other games in the future.

I await snide comments and funny yet insightful comment from the general population of F13 on this.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Arthur_Parker on April 26, 2006, 03:35:04 PM
Terrible poster, avoid at all costs.  :evil:


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Nebu on April 26, 2006, 03:42:47 PM
Too many immature people in game for a reliable feedback system to hold any credibility.  This would simply create a new method of griefing.
 


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: sinij on April 26, 2006, 03:44:48 PM
Too many immature people in game for a reliable feedback system to hold any credibility.  This would simply create a new method of griefing.
 

Ninja epic to disenchant in PUG, avoid at all costs.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Lantyssa on April 26, 2006, 04:37:51 PM
Where is the info stored?  On user's machines?  Could I change my data to give all positive reviews?  Do I need this installed to be ranked, so I could simply uninstall if I don't like my rating?  If other people store the data do they end up building huge lists of every person they have rated?

It is an interesting idea, but it without more details I worry it is prone to have problems.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Sparky on April 26, 2006, 06:39:04 PM
Too many immature people in game for a reliable feedback system to hold any credibility.  This would simply create a new method of griefing. 

Yeah, or conversely, meaningless feedback circlejerks.  Now if it was in some way automated where you could pull up stats showing how many times someone actually has bailed on an instance, needed an item they can't currently use, cried "heal" (that's the priest in me talking :-)) or what have you, it might be helpful.  In a very small way this does happen as you can see if someone has recently bailed on a battleground with their deserter debuff.  That'd have to last days to be approaching useful though.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: jpark on April 26, 2006, 09:15:06 PM
Shadowbane used the same system - and I loved it.  The key to getting this system to work - so it is not abused - as SB implemented it seemed simple enough:  for the user feedback - the character assigning the feedback comment name was identified.  I think in a game like WOW with so many alts - I would only trust such feedback based on names on the list that I recognized and knew.  I like the idea.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Morat20 on April 26, 2006, 09:19:32 PM
Too many immature people in game for a reliable feedback system to hold any credibility.  This would simply create a new method of griefing. 

Yeah, or conversely, meaningless feedback circlejerks.  Now if it was in some way automated where you could pull up stats showing how many times someone actually has bailed on an instance, needed an item they can't currently use, cried "heal" (that's the priest in me talking :-)) or what have you, it might be helpful.  In a very small way this does happen as you can see if someone has recently bailed on a battleground with their deserter debuff.  That'd have to last days to be approaching useful though.
It'd have to be really stupid -- the automatic system -- and only be able to judge whether you could equip an item. And what if you were 54 with half a buble to 55, three quests finished in that instance, and rolled "need" on a 55 BoP weapon that was a massive upgrade? You'd be able to use it within the hour --- but the system would claim it was a ninja-steal because you couldn't equip.



Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Sparky on April 27, 2006, 04:20:23 AM
You're right, there would have to be some leeway on the level issue.  Maybe even group members could elect not to give you a naughty stat via a little popup ballot.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Soln on April 27, 2006, 07:12:59 AM
nvm...



Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Falconeer on April 27, 2006, 08:07:33 AM
Isn't the /rec system in Lineage 2 a very simplified version of this?
The more /recs you get, the bluer your character name gets.
Of course it doesn't work there, as people keep exchanging /recs, and it doesn't help that you only can give 3 per day (or level? not sure).

--
the Falconeer


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: HaemishM on April 27, 2006, 09:36:07 AM
This same kind of idea is built into the user system on X-Box Live, I think.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Samwise on April 27, 2006, 10:19:54 AM
Ensure that any one active account can only give any one other account (tie the reps to the account, not the character, I'd say) a single "vote", and gaming the system becomes a very costly venture.  Joe Catass Griefer may well have 10 accounts that all give each other good votes, but he's sure to piss off more than 10 people who will happily balance him out.

90% of the grief caused online is perpetrated by 1% of the population.  Reputation systems allow the "silent majority" to share information and avoid that 1%.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: shiznitz on April 27, 2006, 12:12:44 PM
Let anyone rate anyone as long as they were grouped for X amount of time. However, when viewing feedback only the feedback of players on one's friend's list/guild/etc would be seen. So Tiggy Bites might have 50 feedbacks but you will only see the ones left by people you associate with. This will limit the grief opportunity somewhat I would think.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: CadetUmfer on April 27, 2006, 01:03:17 PM
/cough (http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/02/02/rep-systems/" title="Rep systems)


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: HaemishM on April 27, 2006, 01:39:09 PM
/cough (http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/02/02/rep-systems/" title="Rep systems)

Phlegm? (http://www.f13.net/commentary.php?subaction=showfull&id=1139003007&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&)


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Azazel on April 28, 2006, 02:05:51 AM

Super player a pleasure to deal with. Thanks AAAA+++++

  ¸¸,ø¤ºGREATº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºPLAYERº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºRECOMMENDEDº¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ºTHANKSº¤ø,¸¸

Thank you for an easy, pleasant group.Excellent player. A++++++.

The way WoW should be! Good people! A++++

great playing, skill as described, in excellent cond, No 1, 10/10, AAA+++++++++

Great group. Credit to WoW

«::::»«::::»«::P::» «::E::» «::R::» «::F::» «::E::» «::C::» «::T::»«::::»«::::»

Thanks for your prompt group ! Glad to do gaming with you ! Real A + Player

ASSET TO WOW AND GREAT GAME CUTSOMER! HOPE TO DO GROUP AGAIN! A++++++++

was understanding about the mix-up with this group.

Quick raid, good communication. Thanks again!

very good player / recomend to anyone/AAAAA++++



....mmmmm



Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Gutboy Barrelhouse on April 28, 2006, 05:04:17 AM
My expectation for this thread has now been met with that post Azazel  :-D


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: sinij on April 28, 2006, 04:09:39 PM
Shadowbane used the same system - and I loved it.  The key to getting this system to work - so it is not abused - as SB implemented it seemed simple enough:  for the user feedback - the character assigning the feedback comment name was identified.  I think in a game like WOW with so many alts - I would only trust such feedback based on names on the list that I recognized and knew.  I like the idea.


Nobody ever used this system in SB, ever.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: Azazel on April 28, 2006, 09:33:42 PM
My expectation for this thread has now been met with that post Azazel :-D

Well, it had to be done eventually.



Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: jpark on April 30, 2006, 03:09:33 PM
Shadowbane used the same system - and I loved it.  The key to getting this system to work - so it is not abused - as SB implemented it seemed simple enough:  for the user feedback - the character assigning the feedback comment name was identified.  I think in a game like WOW with so many alts - I would only trust such feedback based on names on the list that I recognized and knew.  I like the idea.


Nobody ever used this system in SB, ever.

Black marks and white marks.  You clicked on the player and you could see player comments about the player - and who assigned them.  If you want more details - the comments were administered by officers of your guild - not by the general player population, so it was limited in scope.  But it gave players something to strive for in terms of the marks they accumulated describing their contributions to the guild.  Similarly, folks have left guilds for receiving black marks with negative comments associated with their character assigned by an officer of their guild.

Ringing any bells yet?



Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: sinij on April 30, 2006, 03:37:09 PM
I know system you talk about, but I rarely ever seen it used.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: HaemishM on May 01, 2006, 08:31:32 AM
When I played the marks system in SB was used pretty much not at all. It was one of the clunkier bits of a clumsy interface. The other bit of accountability allowed the officers of a guild to make someone KOS to the guards in their city. It was a great idea, but the guards were so incredibly bad, unless the person got in range and stayed perfectly still, there was no way the guards would ever be able to catch them. But the KOSed guy could take your guards for a 50-mile jog, leaving your city completely defenseless to the army that came behind.


Title: Re: EBay Style Feedback System
Post by: bhodi on May 01, 2006, 08:35:26 AM
I definately found "GUARDS! *teleport* *halbert hit* You are dead." to be much more funny.