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I just rented this game.  You start out trapped on a asteroid mining facility.  I made it through a certain point, then it switched me to a droid who was supposed to free me the rest of the way.  So I made it through some more shit with the droid until I get to a computer console that is supposed to unlock yet more shit.  When I'm done hacking it or whatever, the screen pans out like it's doing a little video, and a giant laser beam from nowhere shoots me, instantly destroying the droid.  Then the screen goes black.  When I press start it acts like I'm controlling my Jedi dude in the menu system, but the playing screen is black.  I'm assuming this is because my droid died before he could save the Jedi. However, I've been through this tiny ship like 20 times and the only thing left to do is what gets a laser shot at me and a black screen.

something is le broken.

That is a storyboard cinematic.  It is supposed to happen, and you are supposed to get controll of your jedi back like normal.  Your game appears to be fucked up.

Thanks, some of the data got corrupted when I was backing up the game to my Xbox. 

KOTOR II is one of those games when they aren't kidding about saving to a different file everytime and saving often.  I don't know how many times I had to start over because of the saving problem.

I don't think there's any need for the "backing up" euphemism considering your first post says you rented it, just say "pirated"  :-P.

Get out now.

The game varies between tiresome, tedious and trivial from start to finish. Just replay Kotor I while you still have your sanity.

KOTOR1 rockked my world.  I never finished KOTOR2.  Sad but true.

I got to the 'end' of Kotor 2.


I can't say I finished it.

Normally I am against that piracy shit. But this is Kotor 2 we are talking about, those fuckers ripped me off when I bought their game in good faith. Backup away!

Glad to see i'm not the only one who thought KOTOR II was not so great. I didn't finish it too.  If you want me to be a Jedi, give me a lightsaber within the first couple of hours! 

Hmm, I don't remember the ending being all that bad (or imcomplete). I especially liked the voice actors (and characters) in 2 over those in 1. The only problem I had with it (and with Kotor I as well) is that it was way too easy. The leveling progression was out of balance with the story progression, I guess. By the time I started raiding the Sith outpost (or school? don't remember), I was wiping out entire rooms of dark jedi's and siths in a matter of seconds, over and over again. Something along the lines of AoE Lightning --> AoE Stun --> Lightsaber.

I remember all the complaints from some long thread when it came out.  Personally, I didn't think the story was too bad, maybe that's because I stuck to light and most people who hated it seemed to go dark.  I know it wasn't as good KoToR 1 and I guess if that is your only basis for comparison 2 probably did "suck", but it was still much better than 95% of other games.

Holy shit there are a lot of bugs in this game.  For instance, were any of you aware that the Swoop racing mini game WILL NOT recognize your time?  Found that out the hardway, spent over 1,000 credits getting the top time, only to have the track master say "Sorry, you had a pretty good time, but you didn't qualify as one of the top times."


As for the whole "backing up" euphemism...the siren song lures me to the rocks of debauchery everytime.  But in this case, it really is backing up, because that game will be off my system before my rental time runs out.

Well, I played light (couldn't stomach KOTOR dark side since the Kotor 1 "Assholish Kids beat an defenseless Alien up and ripping their sorry throats out while taunting the little fuckers wasn't an option" incident), and while the story wasn't bad, it just stopped partway through the game. The last planet didn't make any sense whatsoever. Cutscenes that didn't make sense because the where the end of storythreads that got dumped (One of your crewmembers as hologram even if he didn't die in this version), the cuts to other partymembers didn't advance the story, and the finish was a good and solid "Meh" (better leave it openended for the next part, don't want to restrict our options for Kotor 3).

I went through and played some KOTOR I last night and I enjoy KOTOR II much more.  The bugs hinder the game and the storyline does have its holes, but overall gameplay is just much better.  The amount of powers/feats are much more entertaining, and most the characters can *spoiler* become Jedi..  I think that when they get around to it, KOTOR III will knock people on their asses.  Something tells me that when it comes out, I will have to finally buy that XBOX 360...

I also enjoyed KOTOR2 more than the first one.  The game was better written, the characters were more interesting, and just overall the morality of the choices you made were way less black and white than the first one.  The only thing that kept it from being a classic was the hatchet job done to the ending.  That was a fucking crime.

I liked them both.

Sure, the final world on KotOR 2 sucked ass....but the rest of the game was very good.

wtf is that on the grill of that red car?

Everything you say is now suspect.


A very fast booger.

Let me put it another way: I don't remember many details at all, let alone ones in the ending. At least not enough to complain and disregard the entire game about. I vaguely remember something that old woman told me about Revan going on a quest to find the "true" Sith, and how I was supposed to join him or something. Then I killed her.

The last cutscene was my ship taking off without me...

I remember having a sort of "Huh?" feeling about that.....But I figured that it was all some ambiguous setup for a sequel.

That's for me to know and for you to wonder about.

Dinner.

http://www.team-gizka.org/

If they ever actually finish that rebuild into a workable product, they deserve jobs on Kotor 3.

As the TeamGizka site notes, the game was literally Not Finished. The final level of KoTOR 2 was a slapdash abortion and it should never have shipped in such a state. Shame, the rest of the game was really well done.

I just tell people to pretend the game's over when they land on the final planet and shut the Xbox off. It's better that way.

Lum your avatar is giving me epilepsy.

Also, "Lum" apparently isn't in the spellchecker.

I really like his avatar, personally, and I don't care where it's from.

OK, this is believeable.  You took the right approach, I guess.  Most of the game was great, but the lack of a real ending broke the whole thing.  The HK-47 story was unfinished, for one thing.  Most things on the final planet made no sense, since dialog and scenes that were actually on the disc were not shown in the game.  I suppose it was my fault for actually getting into the great story that happened in the first 90% of the game.

I'm waiting for Team Gizka to finish up their project before I start playing KOTOR2.

I know, it may be some time. But it's already been awhile, and I'm in no huge rush.

God dammit.  I just got to this secret temple on Korriban, inside the Sith academy.  Well, I get to the last room where a Sith Lord is interred, and all three doors are locked.  I can't exit the entrance because the door sealed on me upon entrance.  When I say the doors are locked, they are the kind you can't hack with security.  Or bash.  Anyway, since I had two save states and they were both in the temple, the game is over for me.  It was fun, but fuck. 

If I remember right, you're supposed to investigate the tomb, loot it and there's a door somewhere else in the room.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not an idiot.  When you reach the kind of soul crushing realization that the game you've been playing for 40 hours is unfinishable due to a bug, you look on the internet for a solution.  You scour the level for some secret way out.

I think you were duly warned.  I tried, man, I tried.

Let it be shouted from the steeples and the hay lofts and the cell phone towers: DO NOT PLAY KOTOR2!

I know, but I was weak and proud.

I'm glad I got bored with it and all the chatty chat.  If I had gotten to that bugged room I would have bent my Wookie.

Has Lucasarts at least released a patch by now that keeps it from crashing on your PC every loading screen?

Forgive me, but I suffered from some transferrence there.  I've played so much WoW where people can't even bother to read the fucking handholing quest-text that lays out exactly what to do and where that I've started to just expect it of people.  My apologies.

I agree completely. It's $20 now, worth the dough to buy just to sit on the shelf a few more months. I put about a hundred hours into two playthroughs of the original...

I admit I'm slow, though. I'm still level 11 with about 50 hours into Oblivion...without smoking any pot.

I was going to try to go through what I remember of Korriban, but I can't straighten out what happened there in 1 vs 2. All I know is, you'll eventually walkthrough the main central room and a cut scene kicks in. You can't leave until that happens.

The storyline in 2 had some real strengths and the game had way more versatility. On the otherhand, it was buggy as hell, didn't give you the cool non-jedi class levels like 1, was waaay too fucking easy (even boss jedi never use force powers against you - ever), and, oh yea, was never finished...

Oh, and why the fuck would they design the opening level to take 12 hours to complete with a grand total of 5 minutes interaction with NPCs? Other than that 5 minutes, its 11:55 of blowing up robots and running through corridors.

Yes, however, you are better off without the patch.

If the game crashes every 30 seconds, at least you can kid yourself that there is a good game in there somewhere.

With the patch you have to face the truth. The storyline is awful, the pacing is terrible, the combat is trivial, without the missing content almost none of the character's arcs ever reach a conclusion, and tbh, you'll be bored of most of them by the end of the second planet. I couldn't even listen to Bao-Dur drone out a sentence by the end of my first conversation with him.

Worst. Star. Wars. Game. Ever.

Seriously.

Huh...I liked Bao-Dur (played by Roger G Smith of Spike Lee fame). I think he was trying to affect the attitude of something like a shell shocked Vietnam veteran. I thought the drone was a nice touch.


Anyways, I'm convinced that I took the one path in the game that gave me at least a 90% complete storyline. In my experience, the game wasn't even half as bad as you all are saying.

The ones most upset with KoToR II are the ones who play Dark Side first. The story breaks down in that game more than the light side.

I only played once as the dark side.

I played #2 as light side.  Still didn't have an ending.

I have played it through a couple times because its the only game I have.  I have yet to see Bao Dur go beyond the little discussion about being in the war with me.  I am currently having better luck with the dark side story than I did the light side......

It quite hard actally. You can (spoiler i guess) turn him over to the dark side as well as making him a jedi, but i've not yet managed to do it. He is just so nice.

He said 90% earlier. All sides don't have endings, but they get you close. It's like getting digitally blueballed either way you go.

Necrotarded.

http://www.team-gizka.org/wip.html


All content implemented. Still a bunch of fixes left, but only 244 out of 695 left...and only 1 major one. Getting there, I bought a copy of Kotor 2 that's on the shelf for the next few months until they finish up. I'm pretty excited.

I have had a Thai box for quite a while, installed on a hard disk somewhere in the bowels of my rig, waiting for the day that this is finished.  For my wife, not me.  I don't think I care anymore.  I had to watch Boiler Room because of this game.

(http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/Necromancy.jpg)

So, did you read the entire thread or just a part of it?

At level 28 in CoV, I finally weakened and installed KotOR2. Playing as a light jedi, three planets done. Great game so far, though I know it'll end badly. I figure I played KotOR on the xbox twice, so I'll play 2 at least that many times on the pc, so no big deal. I'll get to see it 'done', maybe even get an appreciation for what Team Gizka went through to finish it.

They incremented two more builds since I checked last week and killed a major bug that had crept in. Looking good, 177 more items on the list, none major.

Did they finally finished de-fagging patch for KoToR2 ? Well maybe its time to install it again.

No, not yet. When It's Done™. I wouldn't expect it finished before springtime, they're doing it in their spare time.

This game blows- do not fall for the shiny like I did.

I know, I am always a few years behind :(

Odd coincidence seeing this thread...

I checked the Team Gizka site today for the first time in months out of idle curiosity, they're up to build .81something or other and down to like 25 bugs and issues.

I've never understood why some people are interested in this attempt to finish the end of Kotor 2.  Did I miss something?  I tried to play the game like a proper anal retentive lightside jedi and every single time I tried to help someone I had to listen to a bitchy old lady whine about how I'm making them weaker by stopping people who are trying to beat them up.  From what I understood by asking around Obsidian fucked up the important parts of a Bioware game as well by not including proper romance options or even a decent romance plot to spice up the story (just like they fucked up NWN2).

I guess what I'm asking is if they have fixed the lightside ending is there any hope for the above points?  Do I get to off that bitchy old lady?  Will I see some interesting dramatic but happy ending stuff for my npcs?  Etc etc.   I want to erase the horror of Kotor 2 from my mind but it sounds like Team Gizka is just trying to fix up an unfinished ending.

No idea about the content. Far as I know it's the original endgame content that was on the disc plus some homebrew content so that it makes some sense.

As for why? Hell hath no fury like scorned Star Wars nerds.

I laud Gizka for what they're trying to do, but I wonder if I'll even have a pc that wil be able to play it by the time they're done. They're right on course for a 2010 release.

I think it's fine to fix it up, but I cannot get behind the idea that this might cause some sales to be made.  It seems like shitty games sell well because assholes like me end up buying it twice.  At least my PC version of it is Thai and the money didn't go to Obsidian in any way.

kreia = star wars version of atheist.
after a while thinking about it, it's the closest analogy i can get when trying to remember her motivations in the game.
your character is an atheist as well, he ditched the jedi code. It's a pity Lucas Art never provide that 'Death of the Force' ending.

ofcourse the way they handled the original shitty ending is pretty much a downer, so I'm really hoping gizka finish what obsidian started. And hopefully Obsidian doesn't touch KotOR 3. leave it to Bioware please. you've done enough crap. Go do Oblivion 2 or something.

Obsidian didn't want to release when they did -- LucasArts forced it out the door, unfinished.

The gameplay wasn't bad (just an slightly updated version of the KOTOR engine), the story seemed quite good as far as it went, and the characters were memorable and the approach to the Force (through Kreia) very interesting. Unfortunately, it was a buggy piece of shit on release AND the ending was a hacked together mess. Which is what happens when someone forces it out the door 3 months too soon, minimum.

Gizka is fixing part of that (the ending) and I believe cleaned up some bugs that weren't engine related in the process.

KOTOR 2 had ridiculous potential. I sometimes imagine what could have been if the story had been fully fleshed out and the duration was closer to that of BGII. The best part about the game imo is how it turns the typical simplicity of a star wars good versus evil morality tale on its head. Few of the major players are pure-hearted or without some sort of terrible burden.

If the resto project ever arrives, it will notably include more dialog with your various apprentices, a conclusion to the HK-51 arc that fizzles out, and a much better ending - your buddies confronting Kreia; a resolution of the potential Handmaiden - Visas or Atton - Disciple rivalry; some other stuff. Can't wait.

If only I had listened to you.  Ah, the misspent days of yesteryear.

NWN2. Obsidian is officially On Notice. Either cut better publishing deals or learn to work within a timeline. I'd push for better deals, since they certainly seem like a great dev house and have an impressive lineage.

Indeed.  NWN2 took all the good bits from NWN, gave them a graphics overhaul and then made them suck terribly.

:(

As much as I revere Feargus, I can't give much respect to Obsidian Ent. as a whole due to the stuff they have put out.

Has Obsidian put out anything that wasn't a bug-ridden half-finished shitpile? The only things I remember are KOTOR2 and NWN2.

They've done loads!  There's um... well... errr....

Aliens!  They've done "Aliens: The game"!  Oh wait - no, that's on their to-do pile. 

Nope - looks like those are the only two games they've, ahem, developed. (http://www.obsidianent.com/games.html)

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

They are making an Aliens game, and it's an FPS, and it's for the next-generation consoles.
























































Ok, well, i'll be killing a few people then.

No. That's why I wrote the post as I did. They need time to finish their games properly, or learn to work more concisely. They're making good games, they're just not finishing them.

And that's BAD. Thus they're On Notice.