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So I'm playing KoToR, (I'm not an early adopter) and I've been pretty much a goody two shoes.  Sure, I worked part time as a bounty hunter, but I usually didn't extort or murder anyone, and because I had plenty of credits to spare, I was very generous.  Let me just say as an aside, HOLY SHIT this game takes a long time to beat--60 hours and I'm just now at the Star Forge. 

So, anyway, right before the Star Forge is a temple, where you meet Bastila, the Jedi ho, and since she was captured, (I'm trying to refresh your memory here) she has been swayed to the dark side.  Now keep in mind we have history together, I had been swaying her from her convictions of passionless Jedi ethical behavior to make out with me.  So she starts jabbering about how I should come to the dark side, and be reborn as Dark Lord.  At first I was like, "sorry babe, no can do."  But her rhetoric was strong, and I am weak.  It was exhilarating to go over to the dark side. 

I mean, I got to kill half the people in my party I've been playing with in the game for dozens of hours.  The sweetest part was making the wookie who swore a life debt to me MURDER this 16 year old Twi-Lek girl he had been taking care of since she was a baby.  I mean, is that sweet or what?  Now me and the Jedi ho are having dark Jedi sex (anal) all the time AND I LOVE IT. 


Now, my question is, since I know a lot of you terds have played this game, who else went over to the dark side?

I was dark from the start.  I never had Juhanni or whatever in my party since I killed her right off.  Playing dark side first is a mistake, I think, if you want to do both.  Sell Kashyyk into slavery, and lightning... just won't be the same game after that.

Once light, once dark. It was worth two playthroughs, though I did both on the xbox because I got tired of waiting for it to bargain bin and I'm too cheap to pay over a hundred bones for a game.

Dark from the start, both versions of the game. The Mission scene was one of the more shocking I've seen in an RPG. Cemented my love of Bioware, even though having to kill her pissed me off.

You didn't have to kill her, you could let her go.

Sure.  IF YOU'RE A PUSSY.

That was actually one of the only authentic dark side moments in the game, everything else was killing babies for candy and similar stupidity.

Especially stupid was encountering dark side Bastilla if you went light side.

"You can never hope to defeat me with your weak light side!"
BAM!  Bastilla drops.
"Ah ha, the Forge is giving me power!  Dark side 4-ever!"
BAM!  Bastilla drops.
"Okay... you're gonna get tired eventually..."
BAM!  Bastilla drops.
"Uh...  Obviously you're too stupid to see how you've already lost..."
BAM!  Bastilla drops.

Then, once she realizes that the dark side isn't helping very much against you whipping her ass, she starts going all whiny.  'Oh, I've gone too far to the dark side to ever return!  You'll have to kill me to release me from this eternal torment...'  Malik kidnapped her all of ONE DAY AGO.  She's been on the dark side FOR EIGHT HOURS, TOPS.  But she won't shut the hell up about how corrupted and wicked she is.

List of Bastilla's corrupted, wicked actions:

Flew down to planet.
Got beaten up by you.
Flew back up to Forge.
Got beaten up by you again.

Yes, truly she's history's greatest monster.

Meanwhile, all of the various dark jedi apprentices you run across in the game have a collective IQ of about 10.  They face a guy who they know is a sith lord, and rather than crapping their pants and running away or offering to join him, they all somehow decide that they can take him on, and live all of three seconds after that decision.

I was Light, but switched to Dark at the last minute. I forgot exactly what happened or what made me change, but I never killed Bastilla. She was in the last cutscene with me when I took over the Republic.

Lightside only.  I tried playing KOTOR 1 darkside, and I couldn't do it.  It sickened me.
However I do kick ass for justice and my KOTOR 2 character didn't put up with any bullshit, frequently telling the Jedi Council where to go fuck itself.

I like being heroic without being a giant preachy pussy like Superman in my RPGs.

First of all Superman IS NOT a pussy. You're a pussy for calling Superman a pussy, how's that?  Secondly, while the above post on KoToR was amusing, and certainly true in many regards, Bastilla was captured by Malik for about a week.  Sorry for being too detailed, but I just finished the game, so I know.  She said she'd been tortured for a week.

The first game was ok, but i really like darkside in the second one. They had a much more pragmatic evil approach going, instead of the baby/candy ratio.

That part also bugged me. Evil plotline was not evil enough, more like kill-all-that-moves even if doesn't help you any plotline. Another dissapointment for me was that I could not fly my ship, manning the turret was too simple and uninvolved.

Oh and SUPERMAN IS A PUSSY.

I'm lost. KOTOR2 had unfinished dark side story line. Did they get around releasing patch for the truck-sized plotholes?

Pics please.

Oh, I played it once, slightly light, but more grey then anything else. Got to the end, the cinema didn't work. Tried it a few more times, uninstalled.

When I get my new machine I'll probably reinstall it, load up my save, and see how it ends.

I generally play light side in every game that gives me a choice (Fable, Jade Empire, Black and White, etc.) because playing evil just bugs the hell out of me.  I usually go back and beat these games a second time to get the "Evil" ending, and it always makes me a bit uneasy to be shooting old men in the face.  I generally find myself rationalizing it, too... "Well, it doesn't matter if you kill these innocents, their planet will be blown up by Malak in the next cutscene anyway, so it's not like you're REALLY hurting them..."

You are pussy just like a superman.

If I find myself rationalizing, it's usually along the lines of "Well, it doesn't matter if you kill these innocents, they aren't real, their planet isn't real, the cutscenes aren't real, Malak isn't real, and this is just a game."

The storyline was incomplete, but what story existed was head and shoulders better as far as the dark side went.  KOTOR2's dark side was actually profiting from the evil, and not just running around kicking puppies for no good reason whatsoever.

If they'd only finished the damn game it would've been great.

Honestly. 

That really bugged me about KotOR.  Going dark wasn't so much dark as it was cruel and petty.  Too many of the options were along the lines of

Person_314: "Can you help me?"
Dark Jedi:  "No" *slice* *sizzle*
Person_314: "Aaaggh!"

Now wait a goddamn minute.  KOTOR2 was fucking chock full of bullshit puppy kicking.  If extort some hippie into giving you his credits you get squat, but you cut him down instead now your EVAL!!!  The plot was full of that bullshit, where actually being evil for your own gain wasn't encouraged at all, but if you just killed everything you were some sort of Dark Side Hero.  I distinctly remember that if you didn't slaughter everyone in the Cezenka office (or however you spell that shit-ass name) you got dick for Dark Side points; eventhough you had just fucked over the Hammerheads for their money and their fucking little droid too.

I don't tend to play evil, I do tend to play greedy. I ended up blinding white at the end of 1, somehow, after distinctly being an ass to a bunch of people for petty profit. I guess saving the galaxy does make me more good than evil ;). I tended to think of light side points as points that you build up so you you could spend them being selfish. I was all about the XP/cash.

Sure, little girl, I saved your doll, here you go! (+2 light points, +2000xp). Then, later, oh, I guess I could FORGET that i caught you stealing food, I mean I know it's for your family and everything, and it would only cost.. say... 250 credits! Oh, I know you're poor, but surely you have some stashed away, and you wouldn't want your daughter to fend for herself while you are rotting in prison would you? (+1 dark point, +250 credits)

I tried to go dark side in KOTOR1, but there was one decision tree that was essentially an all or nothing choice. It gave you so many dark or light side points, depending on your choice, that you would have had to be all of the opposite to keep from going grey or to the other side when you chose it. I think it was something about deciding whether to blow up a planet, killing everyone on it, or not. If you chose not to, you got like 500 light side points, and I assume the same amount of dark side if you chose to blow it up.

KOTOR2 had some bad points, yes, but I had no problem going dark side without making any stupid, genocidal choices along the way.

As opposed to KOTOR, which would have a dialog tree like:

Beggar:  Please sir, give me money.

You:

1. Sure!  Have all of my credits!
2. You should fend for yourself.  Have only half of my credits.
3. DIE DIE DIE RAPE KILL BLEED ARRRRRRRRRRGH!

It's a shame the game didn't get my subelty - I didn't blow up the planet because there were people there that owed me money.

An RPG based on Spaceballs probably would. 

And yah, on topic, I did both a light and dark side run.  Did the dark side run mostly due to people building it up on the forums as an actual evil path in a cRPG that allows you to win the game (those can be a rarity). That and there was the feeling that I missed a decent amount of content that my light side jedi just wouldn't do. I don't see where people get rather long playtimes with this game.. I'm pretty sure every one of my runs took 20-30hours.

Killing Mission was just epic.  I did a little touchdown dance in celebration when it happened. I even reloaded the scene to have her killed once with his bare hands and another time with his father's sword. 

Oooookay, show us on the doll where the bad videogame touched you  :-D

They came from BEHIND!

I did both runs on KOTOR I and II.  It is the only game that I actually load up and play anymore outside of some tiger woods.  It sounds like you haven't played KOTOR II yet, so I would go ahead and get that because its a lot more fun.  Anyone know anything about KOTOR III yet?

LA has expressedly stated that KOTOR 3 is not yet in development (http://opm.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3149209).  Shame.

So basically they gutted the original storyline of KOTOR 2 to make the sequel easier for them and then they don't even make the sequel in a timely manner? Fuckers

Is Jade Empire any good?  I was thinking I might rent that or KOTOR 2.

I thought jade empire sucked. There are bad combat systems, there are bad combat systems, then there are developers who didn't even bother. Guess which one Jade Empire falls into?

I like Jade Empire, but playing it on the shitbox got old fast. I couldn't deal with the graphics after I got about halfway through. PC port, please.

I was thinking of getting KotOR2, but I've heard it was mismanaged. Waiting for the bargain bin, I don't like paying $$ for a halfassed product.

I found it in the bargin bin around here about two months ago.  Might want to run around and check.

At best I can say it was Ok, because I was expecting some of the bullshit after reading comments from it's release.  I'd have been pissed if I'd dropped the $50 on it when it came out.  Overall it just broke-down after you found Mandalore.  The story line itself stopped making sense and the ending and backstory were never fully resolved.

I tried tracking down the 'missing scenes' online but couldn't find them and so said fuckit.   I didn't even bother with the second playthrough for the 'evil' ending like I did with BG2 and KOTOR1.  Combined with the /heavy/ reuse of models and maps from the first game, you really get the feeling it was a super-rush job where they tweaked a few things in the systems, then tossed it out the door.

I thought it was.  It's a good length for a rental also, not too long.  The combat isn't fantastic, but it reminded me a lot of Fable's combat but without as much depth. It had an excellent story with some very good voice acting. Typical Bioware quality.   I didn't have a major problem with the graphics either, I thought it was rather pretty in parts.

The game could have benefitted from more sidequests and a longer main quest. In the end, I wanted more. I didn't regret my decision to purchase the title, but I didn't hesitate either to trade it in for a paltry sum.  Only impetus for replay for me would be to complete one of the romance subplots (not sure how I didn't succeed the first time  :| ) since the evil portion of the game just didn't seem appealing from the dialogue options presented.

KOTOR2's great if you can stomach the fact that the ending is going to completely suck. Some of the plotlines they leave unresolved might cause you great pain also.  Plus, it's the first game that ever crashed my Xbox!

KOTOR2 was the second roleplaying game after Ultima 9 where they even left cutscenes in the game that didn't make any more sense with the gutted storyline. Fucking lazy.

I turned hard against KOTOR2 once the unfinished character of the last portion of the game began to become obvious. That's a pretty unforgiveable sin in a story-driven game.

If you liked Fable, but wanted a better story, you'd like Jade Empire.

It's a bit like KotOR 1, but with real-time actioney combat (pause-able, of course). The story is good. I thought the X-Box graphics were gorgeous, but I was playing in on a 27" non-HD TV. YMMV.

Heh. Ok, the graphics were great if one forgoes my 'condition'. I liked the game, though I disliked Fable.

I found KOTOR darkside to be very satisfying if you played the game as a merc. I just said, hey, what would be best for my wallet and/or getting my ass out of the way of unnecessary trouble. That helping up the darkside points without going psychotic on retarded children, which at one point when I tried to play as a complete sociopath I had to step away and go, this is just beyond overkill.

The problem is that game designers aren't very creative in how Sith act in games. They just assume they are rampant nutjobs who seek power by rushing headlong into the quickest and easiest thing. Yet, in the original Star Wars movies, the top Sith Lord is a calculating puppet master who plays the galaxy like a fiddle. A lot of Sith Lords are like that in the lore. That's a big aspect of the dark side that game designers missed in the KOTOR games. Instead all the darkside guys come off as barely smarter than souped up thugs. I'M CRAZY, GIVE ME YOUR WALLET OR I FRY YOUR ASS!

Heh, I'm going to assume that you meant "violin"?  :wink:

Or maybe not?

Why would you assume that?  It's a fucking figure of speech. 

Check the general discussion, I think he asked about violin repair in there.  It was a joke.

Good point.

You guys lost me.

[edit] Or I lost you. Either/or.

Violin or fiddle?  The debate ends. (http://www.sos.mo.gov/kids/symbols/symbols.asp?symbol=fiddle)

Heh, basically my point was (and the joke is even more dorky now that I'm going to explain it) that a fiddle conjures up images of Hee Haw for me. It's the last thing I'd expect a Sith Lord to be "playing the galaxy" with.

But a violin I could understand.

Darth Bumpkin: "Bring me my fiddle."
Attendent: "Your *giggle* fiddle, my Lord?"
Darth Bumpkin: *force chokes Attendent*
Darth Bumpkin: "Bring me my fiddle!"
New Attendent: "Right away my Lord!"

I liked Fable, but not Jade Empire.  For one, the combat was very underwhelming for me (went from "dear God, a sleeping dog could beat this game" to "HOLY SHIT I WILL KILL THE CHEAP FUCKERS WHO WROTE THIS BOSS" a number of times towards the end of the game).  Two, there wasn't really much character customization.  You couldn't change your gear or outfit or anything.  You could change the length of your stat bars and augment the speed of some of your punches by 15% or so, but that wasn't really terribly impressive to me.  Those are important things to me.  I agree that the story in Jade Empire was better though, and the end credits deserve special mention ("...and then, you punched a mountain... IN SPACE!").


Yeah, bugs me too.   Being evil is NOT the same as being a complete dickhead to everyone you meet.  Darth Vader does not rough up people for their lunch money.  "Wrinkles" Palpatine doesn't fry people because he wants to be evil, he is evil because he wants to fry people.  They do this all the time and it drives me nuts.  Black and White did it, Neverwinter Nights, Fable... even Jade Empire, where they specifically said the way of the Closed Fist is not just bullying, it's this big ethical/philosophical position about how adversity makes people stronger and therefore you should make people's lives as tough as you can, most of the time had you just whacking people for giggles and giving you evil points for it.

I'm from the South, thus the natural saying of "fiddle" instead of violin in the figure of speech. Oh and Hee Haw was awesome. Up yours.

Or should I say, Up Yall's.

Hey, I'm from Texas, man.

Roy Clark was cool, I guess.

Same.

In Texas fiddling is what real men and real women do to lighten folks' feets and bring out the love.  Mastering The Violin is what bitter starving artists on base union wage do to avoid disappointing their mothers.

Mostly kidding of course - we're fortunate to have some of the world's leading orchestras in our state.  Bastards get too much of my money.

But I'd still rather hear me some Kentucky pickin' and Texas fiddlin'.

(http://www.spun.com/amgcover/music/large/f0/34/f03401ylzsd.jpg)

y'all's

At least spell it correctly. :P

Thank you Lan.

I blame that moron some inbred family dragged down from Kennebunkport.