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Title: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 11, 2006, 09:12:10 PM (http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060410.jpg)
Seriously. if that's not the definition of Jumping The Shark I don't know what is. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Fabricated on April 11, 2006, 09:15:05 PM Uh, whatever you say.
So, what about that signals jumping the shark again? Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 11, 2006, 09:16:58 PM Seriously, if you didn't think that was funny you're trying too hard to hate them. I hate them like the lactose intolerant hate that feeling after indulging in the sweet sweet sins of Coldstone Cremery. But it doesn't matter, the final text box in that comic is fucking money.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Threash on April 11, 2006, 09:19:25 PM Seriously, if you didn't think that was funny you're trying too hard to hate them. I hate them like the lactose intolerant hate that feeling after indulging in the sweet sweet sins of Coldstone Cremery. But it doesn't matter, the final text box in that comic is fucking money. Jumping the shark means its bad... Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Modern Angel on April 11, 2006, 09:21:56 PM Seriously. if that's not the definition of Jumping The Shark I don't know what is. I think you might not know what the definition is, Schild... Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: NiX on April 11, 2006, 10:20:54 PM Yeah, I thought you were trying to insult them. I thought that strip was genius.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 11, 2006, 10:30:08 PM This is the peak. It's all downhill from here. This is the beginning of the end. It was genius. It was their wad. This is it. They've spent their lost drop. They've officially jumped the shark. What are they going to write about tomorrow? Odama? Please. They were given a unique opportunity with Warhammer. Given the fact they've been making a million+ a year they could quit now and go out like legends with this comic being their claim to fame.
this comic the past ______/\ \ \ \ the future Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Tebonas on April 11, 2006, 10:48:46 PM You just redefined "Jump the shark" as "Being at its peak". Which is fine if you know it, but not the definition everybody else uses.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: WindupAtheist on April 11, 2006, 11:04:14 PM A shark-jumping moment is one so stupendously awful that it forces a moment of clarity wherein the viewer realizes that a once-enjoyable series has irrevocably gone to the dogs. What you're talking about is just called a funny comic.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 11, 2006, 11:08:04 PM So the phrase jumping the shark is the worst moment? or just the moment where things can only flatline or get worse but can't get better? Whatever. Doesn't matter. It's a more convoluted phrase than I thought. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Llava on April 11, 2006, 11:12:34 PM I have nothing against Penny Arcade.
It's hit or miss, usually. It frequently gets a chuckle out of me. I sometimes read Tycho's newsbits, and I sometimes get a laugh out of them as well. His particular way of speaking is simultaneously dramatic, nerdy, and casual, and it's a style, I think, that works. Usually. I feel that a lot of the Penny Arcade hate is of the "they touched me in a bad place" variety, and isn't necessarily deserved. They're not gods. They're not heroes. They're two nerds who happened to find that right mix of talent and luck. Good on 'em, and I hope they can keep rolling like they have. Today's strip was worth a chuckle, but I didn't fall out of my chair or anything. I felt it was about on par with the quality I expect from them. In conclusion, I have nothing to add to this discussion. EDIT I take it back. I have something to add to the meta-discussion. http://www.jumptheshark.com/about.htm Quote Q. Did "jump the shark" originate from this web site, or did you create the site to capitalize on the phrase? A. It all started here. This site went up December 24, 1997 and gave birth to the phrase "jump the shark." As the site continues to grow in popularity, the term has become more commonplace. The site is the chicken, the egg, and now a Catch-22. Q. What is jumping the shark? A. It's a moment. A defining moment when you know that your favorite television program has reached its peak. That instant that you know from now on...it's all downhill. Some call it the climax. We call it "Jumping the Shark." From that moment on, the program will simply never be the same. The term "jump the shark" was coined by my college roommate for 4 years, Sean J. Connolly, in Ann Arbor, Michigan back in 1985. This web site, book, film, and all other material surrounding shark jumping, are hereby dedicated to "the Colonel." The aforementioned expression refers to the telltale sign of the demise of Happy Days, our favorite example, when Fonzie actually "jumped the shark." The rest is history. Jumping the shark applies not only to TV, but also music, film, even everyday life. "Did you see her boyfriend? She definitely jumped the shark." You get the idea. We have begun by chronicling the history of television. We are incorporating shows from the new season slowly but surely. Some shows are not listed...yet! We invite you to comment when any show jumped the shark. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 12, 2006, 12:59:37 AM So I was right and everyone else was wrong.
Ha ha. Fuckers. Shove it up your ass. Hoooo ha. One to nothing. Bitches. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Yoru on April 12, 2006, 01:00:35 AM (http://www.spacebutler.com/images/themoreyouknow.jpg)
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Strazos on April 12, 2006, 01:02:10 AM I did not find it to be particularly funny. At all. A yawner, if you will.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Tebonas on April 12, 2006, 02:23:28 AM I feel like Henry Higgins here. I thought you got it already. Look at your posting where you crossed out the first part.
Language is about intent as well as words. Maybe another definition (the one from Wikipedia) can drive that home. Quote Jumping the shark is a metaphor that has been used by US TV critics and fans since the 1990s to denote the moment when a TV series is deemed to have passed its peak. Once a show has "jumped the shark," fans sense a noticeable decline in quality or feel the show has undergone too many changes to retain its original charm. The phrase was popularized by Jon Hein on his website jumptheshark.com. It alludes to a scene in the TV series Happy Days when the popular character Fonzie, on water skis, literally jumps over a shark. You see while using that phrase at the peak moment might be factually right it is not right in the spirit of the saying. Now once again, where does it rain? I really don't want a word nerd slapfight here. But discussions are easier if everybody uses the same vocabulary. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Azazel on April 12, 2006, 02:51:15 AM Quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_the_shark Origin The phrase refers to a scene in a three-part episode of the American TV series Happy Days, first broadcast on September 20, 1977. In the "Hollywood" episode, Fonzie (Henry Winkler), wearing swim trunks and his trademark leather jacket, jumps over a penned-in shark while water skiing (you can find a video clip of this scene among the external links). Many have noted the shark episode as the moment when they realized the show was no longer worth watching, considering the scene to be unrealistic and of poor quality, making it impossible to maintain suspension of disbelief. It doesn't mean "this is the best thing it can ever do". It means "oh dear, it's turned to shit". And while I am a Warhammer guy, and often enjoy PA, I found it to be merely a "meh" quality comic. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: dusematic on April 12, 2006, 05:42:57 AM Quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_the_shark Origin The phrase refers to a scene in a three-part episode of the American TV series Happy Days, first broadcast on September 20, 1977. In the "Hollywood" episode, Fonzie (Henry Winkler), wearing swim trunks and his trademark leather jacket, jumps over a penned-in shark while water skiing (you can find a video clip of this scene among the external links). Many have noted the shark episode as the moment when they realized the show was no longer worth watching, considering the scene to be unrealistic and of poor quality, making it impossible to maintain suspension of disbelief. It doesn't mean "this is the best thing it can ever do". It means "oh dear, it's turned to shit". And while I am a Warhammer guy, and often enjoy PA, I found it to be merely a "meh" quality comic. No shit, how are we even having this discussion? Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Toast on April 12, 2006, 07:33:57 AM F13 jumped the shark with the 95 page Star Wars thread, har har har.
Someone had to say it. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: tazelbain on April 12, 2006, 07:44:22 AM You are all a bunch of roleplayers.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Roac on April 12, 2006, 07:44:38 AM So the phrase jumping the shark is the worst moment? or just the moment where things can only flatline or get worse but can't get better? Whatever. Doesn't matter. It's a more convoluted phrase than I thought. Jumping the shark is where the audiance realizes the show/content is already well on the downhill slope, not when it's cresting a hill and at its peak. It's the moment where writers break the last tender threads holding fanboys enthralled, where everyone wakes up and realizes that not only did that moment suck, but it has been sucking for a while. It's when everyone snaps to and realizes the critics were right afterall. It is not "wow, that was the best moment ever, they can't top that". Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 12, 2006, 08:33:05 AM HELLO, MCFLY. Llava just posted the definition from the guys who came up with the word. I was right. Why are you trying to convince me otherwise. Here, lemme copy and paste it.
Quote A. It's a moment. A defining moment when you know that your favorite television program has reached its peak. That instant that you know from now on...it's all downhill. Some call it the climax. We call it "Jumping the Shark." From that moment on, the program will simply never be the same. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: shiznitz on April 12, 2006, 08:35:10 AM Put me in the camp that KNOWS "jump the shark" moments occur after the peak. Shark jumping episodes are written to recapture previous Nielsen ratings glory. It is like throwing a wedding or baby event onto a show during sweeps week, but much worse. In fact, weddings/babies are cliche versions of "jumping the shark" now. So cliche that they don't really qulify anymore.
I don't know who those guys are, but why do they get credibility as the creators of the term? Because they say so? Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Trippy on April 12, 2006, 08:42:55 AM HELLO, MCFLY. Llava just posted the definition from the guys who came up with the word. I was right. Why are you trying to convince me otherwise. Here, lemme copy and paste it. Wikipedia has a much more comprehensive definition:Quote A. It's a moment. A defining moment when you know that your favorite television program has reached its peak. That instant that you know from now on...it's all downhill. Some call it the climax. We call it "Jumping the Shark." From that moment on, the program will simply never be the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Soukyan on April 12, 2006, 08:44:05 AM This thread had better not even make it to two pages and still be discussing "jumping the shark". Zee comic wuz zee topic, no?
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: HaemishM on April 12, 2006, 08:59:53 AM I thought Fonzy jumping the shark was just really fucking stupid. It most certainly wasn't a peak moment, it's just when you realized the peak was the exact opposite way from the way they are heading.
Also, Penny Arcade deserves exactly none of the hate people throw at them. They have a site, they make money, they are mostly funny and sometimes not. I can only hope to have their track record and ability to make money at playing games and writing/drawing about it on the web. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Samwise on April 12, 2006, 09:03:55 AM Theirs one apostrophe too many in the title of this thread.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 12, 2006, 09:08:36 AM Theirs one apostrophe too many in the title of this thread. Indeed. And I like your use of "theirs." Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 12, 2006, 09:10:04 AM Also, Penny Arcade deserves exactly none of the hate people throw at them. They have a site, they make money, they are mostly funny and sometimes not. I can only hope to have their track record and ability to make money at playing games and writing/drawing about it on the web. You are wrong. They are considered the number one gaming site to advertise on and are ALSO considered to be some of the most influential members of press in the industry. And then they played softball with Starforce. They deserve every ounce of hatred they get. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: HaemishM on April 12, 2006, 09:11:36 AM They got paid to do what they want. They win.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: dusematic on April 12, 2006, 09:12:23 AM Theirs one apostrophe too many in the title of this thread. Indeed. And I like your use of "theirs." High comedy. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 12, 2006, 09:13:19 AM They got paid to do what they want. They win. The notion they got paid to not mention and not blast Starforce sickens me. To the core. They constantly wave the gamer flag high and when they do stuff like that it hurts everyone. They don't win and we lose. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: HaemishM on April 12, 2006, 09:15:10 AM But they did mention Starforce and have a few times. Just because it isn't (well-deserved) vitriol and hate doesn't mean it's suddenly whore territory.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 12, 2006, 09:17:02 AM But they did mention Starforce and have a few times. Just because it isn't (well-deserved) vitriol and hate doesn't mean it's suddenly whore territory. Here's how I look at it. They win, indeed. They get paid to do what they love. They make in the neighborhood of >$30,000 a month. Do they need to accept work from UBISoft? Is that going to break them completely? People are banging down their fucking door. Right now they're about on the level of EA or the aforementioned UBISoft. They're contributing to the evil rather than at least making a tiny stand. So fuck them, fuck them in their puckered up assholes. I could care less if they're rolling in dollar bills if they can't at least stand up for their rights as gamers. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Toast on April 12, 2006, 09:35:08 AM The shark jumping assessment is usually done retroactively following an obvious drop from something good.
If you declare shark jumpage following a great success, how do you know that what's coming next will be bad? The comics could continue to be good. Or, they could be some good, some bad... A high moment does not necessarily signal an inevitable decline. That's why shark jumping is based on an embarassingly bad moment. It is proof that the decline has begun. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Hoax on April 12, 2006, 09:44:22 AM I've never understood the PA hate, I find Tycho's style to be quite funny and considering how often there is a PA comic that applies well to some discussion we are having about games I think they do a good job on that front as well. I'm not going to suck their dicks for an autograph or switch WoW servers to play with my heroes or buddylist them on XboxLive or whatever. But I'm not going to give them too much shit as they dont seem to sell out to terrible games too often. Considering it is them or PCgamer I really dont think it is a hard choice. They have thrown their sites weight behind some pretty cool things (child's play, random webcomics, the rootkit blog, etc) they aren't saints, I would be delighted if they really went after things like Starforce but they aren't indirectly condoning the gang rape of young Indian women either, so they are one up on Mother Terresa in my book.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Threash on April 12, 2006, 09:59:37 AM HELLO, MCFLY. Llava just posted the definition from the guys who came up with the word. I was right. Why are you trying to convince me otherwise. Here, lemme copy and paste it. Quote A. It's a moment. A defining moment when you know that your favorite television program has reached its peak. That instant that you know from now on...it's all downhill. Some call it the climax. We call it "Jumping the Shark." From that moment on, the program will simply never be the same. Have you actually seen the "jumping the shark" episode of happy days? The definition is simply phrased wrong. Yes it does mean the whatever has reached its peak, but the actual jumping of the shark is the moment that makes you realize its gone to shit. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Roac on April 12, 2006, 10:10:28 AM HELLO, MCFLY. Llava just posted the definition from the guys who came up with the word. They didn't come up with the phrase. It's a bullshit site, Biff. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 12, 2006, 10:12:40 AM Well that's depressing.
(http://www.bttf.com/photos/secrets1.jpg) Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Threash on April 12, 2006, 10:19:31 AM Hell their own site contradicts their definition, married with children is said to have jumped the shark when the new kid joined.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Roac on April 12, 2006, 10:28:14 AM Hell their own site contradicts their definition, married with children is said to have jumped the shark when the new kid joined. Just glancing at the site, it looks like they're reaching, in order to have content, to get his ad money. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Samwise on April 12, 2006, 10:31:50 AM Theirs one apostrophe too many in the title of this thread. Indeed. And I like your use of "theirs." High comedy. Careful now, you wouldn't want to fall into that gaping sarchasm. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 12, 2006, 10:37:02 AM Theirs one apostrophe too many in the title of this thread. Indeed. And I like your use of "theirs."Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Samwise on April 12, 2006, 10:40:15 AM Theirs one apostrophe too many in the title of this thread. Indeed. And I like your use of "theirs."Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: dusematic on April 12, 2006, 11:11:38 AM If making fun of people's grammar is socially acceptable around here then I just got a lot more annoying!
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Soukyan on April 12, 2006, 12:06:42 PM But they did mention Starforce and have a few times. Just because it isn't (well-deserved) vitriol and hate doesn't mean it's suddenly whore territory. Here's how I look at it. They win, indeed. They get paid to do what they love. They make in the neighborhood of >$30,000 a month. Do they need to accept work from UBISoft? Is that going to break them completely? People are banging down their fucking door. Right now they're about on the level of EA or the aforementioned UBISoft. They're contributing to the evil rather than at least making a tiny stand. So fuck them, fuck them in their puckered up assholes. I could care less if they're rolling in dollar bills if they can't at least stand up for their rights as gamers. Making money hand over fist and maintaining integrity at the same time is improbable these days. I would be disappointed at a lack of integrity, but I don't see one. I don't know the whole story behind them and Starforce though, but I think the charity work they do is far more important than whether or not they bash Starforce. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Yegolev on April 12, 2006, 12:38:01 PM I can't read all that.
When something, historically a TV show because that's the originating medium, jumps the shark, it just evokes the circumstances that would lead a wrting team and producers to decide that having Fonzie jump over a shark in waterskis would be an awesome way to bring back viewers. Happy Days was already in the shitter, and someone thought that this idea was the thing that the audience wanted. Using the original and pure sample as a base, it's not sharkjumping if the thing in question doesn't already suck hobo balls, nor if it actually is a good idea and/or succeeds. Married: With Children actually had a few of these moments, such as the kid and other things I can't remember. I can't think of any show that has done anything to top the Happy Days shark jump. Although adding Jonathan Winters to Mork & Mindy was close, unironically... and I like Winters. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: HaemishM on April 12, 2006, 01:13:22 PM If making fun of people's grammar is socially acceptable around here then I just got a lot more annoying! UNPOSSIBLE! Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Shockeye on April 12, 2006, 01:19:24 PM I don't know the whole story behind them and Starforce though, but I think the charity work they do is far more important than whether or not they bash Starforce. I concur. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Llava on April 12, 2006, 01:42:45 PM they aren't indirectly condoning the gang rape of young Indian women either, so they are one up on Mother Terresa in my book. Quote If making fun of people's grammar is socially acceptable around here then I just got a lot more annoying! I fucking love this thread. Also, I made this yesterday cause... well, for no reason, really. I just did. (http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9471/sarchasm5zn.jpg) I invite you all to improve on it. We need a Grammar Snake equivalent. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Samwise on April 12, 2006, 01:56:31 PM Also, I made this yesterday cause... well, for no reason, really. I just did. (http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9471/sarchasm5zn.jpg) I invite you all to improve on it. We need a Grammar Snake equivalent. You rule. Where were you this morning when I was Googling "sarchasm" and coming up empty? Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: HaemishM on April 12, 2006, 02:38:50 PM I actually listened to the PA podcast. It was a boring day at work. The best part? They are actually funny to listen to, if you can stand listening to geek talk for 30 minutes or so. Now, let's argue about whether geek webcomics guys should have a podcast during their creative process!
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Margalis on April 12, 2006, 02:58:44 PM Jumping the shark does NOT mean it is at it's peak. When Fonzie jumped the shark literally in happy days that was really LAME, not really cool.
The definition whoever quoted makes zero sense. "It means the show is at it's peak - like when Fonzie jumped the shark!" That makes no sense because that moment was pathetic. When people saw that they thought to themselves "god, what the fuck is this shit?" not "wow, that ruled how can they ever top themselves?" Edit: If you look at the site, where they list jump-the-shark moments, they are inevitably really lame moments, and as I said the literal jump-the-shark moment was incredibly lame. So either these guys didn't really invent the term or they are so dumb they can't verbalize what it actually means. The definition they give makes no sense relative to any examples, including the example the phrase is named after. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: murdoc on April 12, 2006, 03:07:24 PM This thread jumped the shark when Haem listened to the PA podcast and posted about it.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Soukyan on April 12, 2006, 04:07:39 PM This thread jumped the shark when Haem listened to the PA podcast and posted about it. Har! Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Krakrok on April 12, 2006, 06:18:56 PM I rarely find PA comics funny. It's about as funny as Garfield. This one I didn't even read the whole thing. It had too many words which said nothing. I thought it was going somewhere in the first first pane when they compared WoW and Warhammer (to the effect that Warcraft originally copied Warhammer or some shit) but it ended as a random word generator. Maybe that was the point. Fuck the shark. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Xanthippe on April 12, 2006, 09:28:46 PM Generally speaking, I like Foxtrot better than PA.
(I had one on my refrigerator for a long time, from when Simcity was popular (the first one). The strip was about playing Simcity, and the last panel had the guy saying something like "19 nuclear power plants. Life is good.") I don't believe that the jumptheshark guys made up the phrase jump the shark. I recall seeing that Happy Days episode when it aired, and the critics' chorus of derision at the time about the episode and the show, and how stupid it all had become. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Azazel on April 12, 2006, 09:34:11 PM I give them about a 20-30-50 hit to meh to miss ratio in general, but fuck it's a cold day in hell today since I find myself agreeing with Krakrok's assessment of that particular comic.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Ironwood on April 13, 2006, 04:39:11 AM (http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060410.jpg) Seriously. if that's not the definition of Jumping The Shark I don't know what is. That's not funny. Like, at all. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Roac on April 13, 2006, 06:22:52 AM I'm guessing you don't know many table top gamers then? It's like their own personal Jesus, in miniature.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: HaemishM on April 13, 2006, 07:50:19 AM Having played Warhammer religiously for a few years, yes, that's funny.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Soln on April 13, 2006, 07:51:03 AM Why am I always late to these threads?
anyways. har, and whatnot Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Ironwood on April 13, 2006, 07:53:54 AM I'm guessing you don't know many table top gamers then? It's like their own personal Jesus, in miniature. I was a table-top gamer in my youth. I did the whole Warhammer thing. I've mixed with the dregs of that crowd. Still not funny. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 13, 2006, 08:01:10 AM I'm guessing you don't know many table top gamers then? It's like their own personal Jesus, in miniature. I was a table-top gamer in my youth. I did the whole Warhammer thing. I've mixed with the dregs of that crowd.Still not funny. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Wolf on April 13, 2006, 08:05:54 AM I rarely find PA comics funny. It's about as funny as Garfield. You just bashed Garfield. I hate you. And the comic was funny even if you didn't play table-top warhammer. I didn't and it was funny to me. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: bhodi on April 13, 2006, 08:13:08 AM I don't want to have sex with wolf's avatar anymore.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: HaemishM on April 13, 2006, 08:35:08 AM That's good. It'd probably be illegal in most states anyway.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: bhodi on April 13, 2006, 08:49:21 AM I do still like penny-arcade though. Their charity work is amazing and I just LOVED The last christmas (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/12/16).
I just listened to the podcast on a lark.. wow, it's actually funny and entertaining. I'm pretty shocked; they can carry the podcast. I'll listen from now on. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Hoax on April 13, 2006, 09:52:34 AM Yeah suddenly wolf's presence bothers me, in fact I think I hate wolf...
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 13, 2006, 10:00:54 AM Truly he should change his avatar. It's poorly drawn girl.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Daeven on April 13, 2006, 10:46:37 AM Having played Warhammer religiously for a few years, yes, that's funny. My comment about Warhammer Online? Where the fuck are my Lizzies? Bastards. Humor scale definition: The bottom is when you stare at something in slack-jawed uncomprehending horror and dispair as your brain cells indulge in an orgy of apoptosis to purge the memory forever - to struggling valiantly to contain the burst of laughter in the vain attempt to keep your coworkers from thinking your are even more of a stark raving lunatic than they already believe. This comic, as a wargamer who has encountered the 'GW is ripping off Blizzard' species before, lies somewhere in between those two points. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: El Gallo on April 13, 2006, 12:02:40 PM (http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060410.jpg) Seriously. if that's not the definition of Jumping The Shark I don't know what is. That's not funny. Like, at all. It's funny in the sense of Schild thinking this proves he was right all along about WoW :hello_kitty: Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 13, 2006, 12:28:10 PM I don't understand what you were trying to say.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Murgos on April 13, 2006, 12:30:36 PM I don't understand what you were trying to say. He's saying it looks like it's that time of the month again for your avatars wife. And that he has dead shrubbery on his head. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 13, 2006, 12:37:57 PM Oh, ok. Cool.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: El Gallo on April 13, 2006, 12:50:15 PM I declare Murgos to be my translator for life.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Wolf on April 13, 2006, 01:14:11 PM Truly he should change his avatar. It's poorly drawn girl. Quoting at random :) Anyway, it's just my shout out to a webcomic that literarly changed my mood one day from "OMFG I FEEL LIKE CRAP" to "Fuck it. Life is good". And it's not poorly drawn, I love the style. Also Haemish and Hoax are wrong too - it would be legal and i'm awesome, so you can't really hate me. Smart too. Bonus points for whoever can guess which webcomic is it :) Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Shockeye on April 13, 2006, 01:20:16 PM Bonus points for whoever can guess which webcomic is it :) Hentai for Christ Online? Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Wolf on April 13, 2006, 01:36:24 PM Bonus points for whoever can guess which webcomic is it :) Hentai for Christ Online? That kind of bothers me as this is the most cuddly, lovable and positive comic to be ever conceived. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Kail on April 13, 2006, 01:46:50 PM Bonus points for whoever can guess which webcomic is it :) Hentai for Christ Online? That kind of bothers me as this is the most cuddly, lovable and positive comic to be ever conceived. If I've run into that one, I've forgotten it... Doesn't look familiar. Link, pleeeeease? Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Lantyssa on April 13, 2006, 02:23:17 PM That kind of bothers me as this is the most cuddly, lovable and positive comic to be ever conceived. Megatokyo?Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 13, 2006, 02:25:52 PM If it's Megatokyo it's from the first few months they were drawing. Because that drawing is weak sauce.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Kail on April 13, 2006, 02:37:43 PM That kind of bothers me as this is the most cuddly, lovable and positive comic to be ever conceived. Megatokyo?Megatokyo is positive like a suicide note. Also, looks like a different style. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Azazel on April 13, 2006, 06:34:01 PM Having played Warhammer religiously for a few years, yes, that's funny. 'Having played all kinds of miniature wargames for more than 20 years, I found the first panel was alright, they could have taken it somewhere, at which point it became Tycho (or is it Gabe? who cares really?) masturbating with a copy of a poor quality fantasy novel. Hey, maybe it's a Warhammer novel. :-P And Blizzard's orcs look just like Warhammer's orcs? fuck, no! really? Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Lantyssa on April 13, 2006, 08:16:04 PM There I go leaving the green out of my text again. Sorry.
I know Rodney and his wife. Not well, but I've had dinner and drinks and hung out with them at conventions due to mutal friends and co-workers. So I am actually familiar with the early MT and what it devolved into. Thus my quip. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Johny Cee on April 13, 2006, 09:10:09 PM Having played Warhammer religiously for a few years, yes, that's funny. 'Having played all kinds of miniature wargames for more than 20 years, I found the first panel was alright, they could have taken it somewhere, at which point it became Tycho (or is it Gabe? who cares really?) masturbating with a copy of a poor quality fantasy novel. Hey, maybe it's a Warhammer novel. :-P And Blizzard's orcs look just like Warhammer's orcs? fuck, no! really? The monologue is partly a Cthulhu riff, which is always fun.... But it really goes to show the basic difference in philosphy of the two IPs. Warcraft isn't much more, at it's heart, then your stereotypical fantasy world (Good vs. Evil; civilization vs barbarism). Tolkien based, we'll say. Warhammer..... you're fucked. You can either side with declining civilization ruled by autocrats and intrigue, or the psychopathic insanity of things that want to eat your soul or fuck your armpit or mutate your body and looks destined to win. It's self-destructive like Schild at a Tarantino fan convention. Lovecraft or Moorcock based. Mieville and some of the post-modernists sort of fit in here. The only other major philosphy is the modern-based; gritty realists and disillusioned idealists/romantics, innumerable shades of grey. Cook, Erikson, Martin. The only real example of a game is Bungie's Myth, which still in my mind has the best tactical combat of any RTS. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Samwise on April 13, 2006, 10:48:23 PM Bonus points for whoever can guess which webcomic is it :) Art style reminds me a bit of "It's Walky!", but I don't recognize the character. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Wolf on April 14, 2006, 12:10:35 AM it's called Count Your Sheep (http://www.countyoursheep.com/). Here's a taste:
(http://www.countyoursheep.com/comics/20040204a.gif) The thing is I have a kid cousin and she really says stuff like that. A friend of mine linked me to that particular strip because I was whining to her how crappy my mood was. It really helped :) Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Trippy on April 14, 2006, 01:41:31 AM it's called Count Your Sheep (http://www.countyoursheep.com/). Those comics feel like a female version of Calvin and Hobbes.Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Daeven on April 14, 2006, 11:31:49 AM TWarhammer..... you're fucked. You can either side with declining civilization ruled by autocrats and intrigue, or the psychopathic insanity of things that want to eat your soul or fuck your armpit or mutate your body and looks destined to win. It's self-destructive like Schild at a Tarantino fan convention. Lovecraft or Moorcock based. Mieville and some of the post-modernists sort of fit in here. You forgot the third major philosophy: You are all unclean, degenerate filth. We brought you into this world. We can eat you if you don't stop meddling with The Plan. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Samwise on April 14, 2006, 12:00:35 PM (http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060414.jpg)
Tell me that's not funny. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 14, 2006, 12:01:59 PM I liked the first frame.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Ironwood on April 14, 2006, 03:26:44 PM Came here to post that Samwise ; Yes, that shit is funny. I laughed, out loud in fact. Further :
(http://www.penny-arcade.com/docs/gabe/spell1.jpg) Is also hilarious. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Furiously on April 14, 2006, 06:06:48 PM (http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060414.jpg) Tell me that's not funny. That was funny. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: bhodi on April 14, 2006, 09:22:41 PM I know Rodney and his wife. Not well, but I've had dinner and drinks and hung out with them at conventions due to mutal friends and co-workers. So I am actually familiar with the early MT and what it devolved into. Thus my quip. No, No, it evolved in a different direction.Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Azazel on April 14, 2006, 10:40:02 PM The monologue is partly a Cthulhu riff, which is always fun.... But it really goes to show the basic difference in philosphy of the two IPs. Warcraft isn't much more, at it's heart, then your stereotypical fantasy world (Good vs. Evil; civilization vs barbarism). Tolkien based, we'll say. Warhammer..... you're fucked. Lovecraft or Moorcock based. Mieville and some of the post-modernists sort of fit in here. The only other major philosphy is the modern-based; gritty realists and disillusioned idealists/romantics, innumerable shades of grey. It's not an especially good Cthulhu riff though. It's done in the same overblown style that so many other things are, and doesn't translate well to humour, for me at least. Warcraft is a bit more than Tolkienesque, these days at least, as the Horde aren't especially bad guys and the Alliance aren't as shiningly good as they appear at first glance if you read through their backgrounds. Warhammer OTOH, is an eclectic collection of mostly-stolen IP concepts, that have had a little tweak here and there and grown on from there. The defining theme of Warhammer/40k, Chaos, is ripped wholeheartedly from Moorcock's work, right down to the eight-pointed star as it's primary symbol. But then again the WH IP was originally created by pot-smoking, Moorcock-and-Tolkien-reading, D&D-playing, Black Sabbath and Led Zep-listening (to), 1970's guys, who set the tone for the same appropriation/homage heavy universe that's been lumbering along ever since. And yeah, the new PA is a good one, and I have to agree that the first panel is especially good. Damn. Guess that means the shark wasn't there for the WH comic.. Tycho even expresses some viritol towards Starforce in the news page. Now that it's somewhat safe to say so, as it seems Ubi is potentially backing away from it. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Samwise on April 15, 2006, 12:26:24 AM Tycho even expresses some viritol towards Starforce in the news page. Now that it's somewhat safe to say so, as it seems Ubi is potentially backing away from it. Yes, his previous posts on the subjects have all amounted to ringing endorsements. :roll: Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: schild on April 15, 2006, 12:27:43 AM They _pimped_ Chaos Theory back in the day. I don't remember them saying the PC Version had Starforce EVEN ONCE, despite them doing the comic and all sorts of shit for it. Otherwise, I'd have known it was on there.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: squirrel on April 15, 2006, 12:30:59 AM Tell me that's not funny. Yep, that shit is funny. Of course i thought the original Warhammer reference strip was funny too. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Samwise on April 15, 2006, 12:32:16 AM I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know at the time that StarForce was on there. Ubi sure as hell didn't advertise it. I wouldn't have known myself if you hadn't pointed it out.
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Azazel on April 15, 2006, 01:36:31 AM I'm sure that they'd have found out about it when they got their copies of it from Ubi, you know, around the same time the stores got it, if not before.
And, you know, the "diminished" thing was pretty weak all things considered. But then we're flogging the dead horse at this point. :dead_horse: Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Calantus on April 15, 2006, 02:28:03 AM It didn't really strike a funny bone in me... I thought it was clever and it entertained me, but I couldn't describe it as funny. A lot of PA stuff is like that for me now, only very few of them are funny, though the majority of the rest entertain me. On a side note I finally fogured out wtf they were going on about in their "a very merchy christmas". Now it makes sense, and actually has a very clever tie in to one of their older comics. Too bad I didn't know wtf it all meant as I read it. :roll:
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Wolf on April 15, 2006, 03:07:49 AM It didn't really strike a funny bone in me... I thought it was clever and it entertained me, but I couldn't describe it as funny. A lot of PA stuff is like that for me now, only very few of them are funny, though the majority of the rest entertain me. On a side note I finally fogured out wtf they were going on about in their "a very merchy christmas". Now it makes sense, and actually has a very clever tie in to one of their older comics. Too bad I didn't know wtf it all meant as I read it. :roll: huh? Please do share. I never could understand what that Merch Christmas thing was about :/ Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Calantus on April 15, 2006, 03:42:25 AM http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/01/05
Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: HaemishM on April 17, 2006, 09:54:15 AM They _pimped_ Chaos Theory back in the day. I don't remember them saying the PC Version had Starforce EVEN ONCE, despite them doing the comic and all sorts of shit for it. Otherwise, I'd have known it was on there. That's because they probably played it on the X-Box. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Samwise on April 17, 2006, 10:30:46 AM huh? Please do share. I never could understand what that Merch Christmas thing was about :/ To understand the Merch Holiday Special, you must first understand The Merch (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/01/05). Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Litigator on April 18, 2006, 05:29:56 PM So the phrase jumping the shark is the worst moment? or just the moment where things can only flatline or get worse but can't get better? Whatever. Doesn't matter. It's a more convoluted phrase than I thought. the phrase "Jumping the shark" is derived from an episode of Happy Days where they had a shark, and the Fonz jumped over it on water skis. Basically, it's the a stupid ratings stunt that kllls the show forever. This is any number of "very special episodes." Somebody has a baby. Somebody has a wedding. Somebody dies. Personally, I don't think you can define the fall of a TV show through "jump the shark" moments. I think these are just symptoms of a decline. The people who really make the show great aren't the cast, they're the guys in the writing room and the guys directing and producing the show. And they go off and do new things after a couple of seasons. If the network can hold the cast together, they can hold the show together, and if people remain attached to the characters, they'll tolerate a decline in the writing, or they won't be aware of it. For example, if you tuned into "Friends" in season six, you would be completely unable to comprehend why the hell this was a smash hit that was on the air for a decade. But the first three seasons were uncommonly funny. A lot of people feel "The Simpsons" hit its peak in Season 4 when James L. Brooks was directing a lot of episodes and Conan O'Brien was in the writer's room. Personally, I think the Simpsons continues to attract top talent to its writing room and has sustained itself remarkably, but all things are debatable. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Litigator on April 18, 2006, 05:36:32 PM The monologue is partly a Cthulhu riff, which is always fun.... But it really goes to show the basic difference in philosphy of the two IPs. Warcraft isn't much more, at it's heart, then your stereotypical fantasy world (Good vs. Evil; civilization vs barbarism). Tolkien based, we'll say. Warhammer..... you're fucked. Lovecraft or Moorcock based. Mieville and some of the post-modernists sort of fit in here. The only other major philosphy is the modern-based; gritty realists and disillusioned idealists/romantics, innumerable shades of grey. It's not an especially good Cthulhu riff though. It's done in the same overblown style that so many other things are, and doesn't translate well to humour, for me at least. Warcraft is a bit more than Tolkienesque, these days at least, as the Horde aren't especially bad guys and the Alliance aren't as shiningly good as they appear at first glance if you read through their backgrounds. Warhammer OTOH, is an eclectic collection of mostly-stolen IP concepts, that have had a little tweak here and there and grown on from there. The defining theme of Warhammer/40k, Chaos, is ripped wholeheartedly from Moorcock's work, right down to the eight-pointed star as it's primary symbol. But then again the WH IP was originally created by pot-smoking, Moorcock-and-Tolkien-reading, D&D-playing, Black Sabbath and Led Zep-listening (to), 1970's guys, who set the tone for the same appropriation/homage heavy universe that's been lumbering along ever since. It's all stolen. If it's got Orcs and Elves it's a ripoff of Tolkien. Period. Warcraft's originality is in its art style and the sense of humor that runs through the game. I got a big kick out of the Raiders of the Lost Ark stuff in Ulduman, and in one of the escort quests in Feralas, the dialogue option is "Come with me if you want to live," which I thought was hysterical. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Azazel on April 18, 2006, 09:24:16 PM What's "all" stolen? Warhammer? Warcraft? Both?
Also, Quote If it's got Orcs and Elves it's a ripoff of Tolkien. Period. What are you on about? The entire fantasy genre we play around with is heavily influenced by Tolkien. DUUUUUUH. Doesn't mean new ideas can't be found elsewhere or even come up with by other people. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Pococurante on April 19, 2006, 07:04:10 PM Tolkien - the ultimate recycler? Now held up as the creator of all things fantasy?
Ugh. Title: Re: For those that didn't see it, Penny Arcade shot it's wad this week. Post by: Johny Cee on April 19, 2006, 08:28:14 PM It's all stolen. If it's got Orcs and Elves it's a ripoff of Tolkien. Period. Warcraft's originality is in its art style and the sense of humor that runs through the game. I got a big kick out of the Raiders of the Lost Ark stuff in Ulduman, and in one of the escort quests in Feralas, the dialogue option is "Come with me if you want to live," which I thought was hysterical. Just because familiar backgrounds, races, or cultures are borrowed or used, does not mean the final product is nothing more than the sum of it's parts. Especially in regards to the underlying philosphy. Compare a few fantasy authors: Mieville, Tolkien, Lovecraft and Cook. Tolkien -- Northern European mythology with an undercurrent of Catholic philosophy and morality. Mieville -- Steampunk with heavy Marxist overtones. Lovecraft -- Speculative fiction, heavy on a vast and uncaring universe. Cook -- Realism. Brutal reality made acceptable by fantasy elements. How any plot plays out is largely predicated on the underlying structure and behaviors by the actors in the story. It's like saying Animal Farm is just a ripoff of Aesop's fables. |