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Yea. F13 isn't paying the bills. In fact, it's costing me money.

So, I throw my hat in the ring. I need to find a job. Any tips for someone who isn't willing to take a job where he'll want to gouge his eyes out? So, anyone know of any companies I should look at out here? Or anyone know anyone out here who needs uhm, somebody like me? I'm not even sure what that means anymore. But you get the picture.

As for gaming jobs in the valley, go take a look at the "offerings" on Gamasutra. As for the stuff not on Gamasutra, it's pretty much limited to the Stargate SG-1 MMOG team and I've very good reason to believe they're running around like a chicken with it's head cut off. Let's just say the whole "gaming" thing isn't happening out here.

(Part of the point of posting this is that I'd like to find a job where I don't have to give up f13. The Industry doesn't provide me with that privilege)

Only thing we have is a Senior Marketing Activation Manager in Phoenix.  Maybe you could be a bouncer at a strip club?

There is always porn.

Uh, I mean, amortize your web management skills into an alternate parallel field...

You should be one of those guys who win money riding skateboards, like Tony Hawk.  He's pretty cool.

I hear SOE needs a CCO ;)

I recommend unloading trucks for walmart for a few years. Builds character.

Or, you know, Iraq.

If this board software can do Paypal subscriptions, I would sign up for $5 a month. I do it for my guild website and I spend just as much time here. This site is almost as entertaining as a $15/month MMOg.

I'd actually thought about the $5 a month thing for a while, but I'm not entirely sure it's reasonable. There's too many places you can go and talk about the same shit for free. What's to stop anyone from just doing that?

Cause we're better at it.

Seriously, though, I agree. I don't think a fee would fly.  Existing members may be willing to do it, but getting new members would be... <points at SWG>

 :heart:

You always make me laugh. 

The NTE wasn't the greatest update in the world. It was just a tribute.

Make it voluntary. I bet you get at least 20 takers. I never intended to propose a mandatory payment to read this site. My guild site is voluntary and some of us are happy to help defray hosting costs.

With twitch  :rimshot:

Having just been through a job hunt, the best way to do it is to call on everyone you know.  That includes places where you swore you'd never work at again; sometimes things/people do change.  No, really.

Just for some rundown, aside from any writing experience, I spent my high school and college years in retail. Just under a decade of retail to be exact. I'm not sure I can go back to that, and that's why I posted here, thinking maybe someone knew of a good company out here that was worth looking into.

Edit: Aside from Google, Intel, and Microchip - I know I'm not qualified for that shit.

I don't have specific leads, but here's a site I keep an eye on.  You may find that you're qualified to do a number of these things.

http://www.ad2phoenix.com/job_bank/index.php

You won't find a "professional blowjob receiver" posting on there any time soon, but for the most part they're decent jobs to do for a while to pay the bills.

Walmart.

Resistance is futile.

Hell, get into the supply development divisions and travel asia, you could collect all kinds of gaming stuff you're into.

So, uh.. what's your degree in?

The builder market in Phoenix is hiring like mad.  Cad support and office work, obviously, since you're nowhere near as cheap as illegal labor.  (What? Noo of course they're all legal.. that's not a dirty little seceret everyone turns a blind eye to that I just blurted out.)  I'd be out there myself if it didn't mean relocating closer to my wife's fucking-crazy-as-hell father and stepmother and away from the family support network I've got here.

  Well, that, and the whole, "so if all these people are moving to the desert, where's the water coming from?" problem I keep hearing about.

We do have lots of openings but I assumed you wanted to stay in AZ.  We only have one opening in AZ.  If you want to be a commercial painter, I can get you a job at my wife's company... but you'll have to move.

California and Nevada.

I think you should go with Blackwater Security or whatever that company's name is.  You go out to their HQ in Virginia train for a few months and then you get phat loot working in Iraq protecting contractors or something.  You just have to avoid getting beheaded or hung from a bridge after being shot a few times.

He probably has a degree in Art History from Bryn Mawr University.  I mean, he's obviously a lesbian.

Actually, Hoax and Signe managed to get it right between them.

I'm a lesbian mercenary. Highly trained in the ancient art of Cunt-Fu.

The whole snatching the pebble from the hand of the master thing suddenly became a lot ickier in my mind.

I'll pay you to alternate between playing UO and watching infinite repititions of Phantom Menace for 12 hours per day.  You'll get one dollar for each authentic "Yipee!" you can work up.

That's at least $1 every time TPM ends.  I recommend getting ahold of The Phantom Edit if you have any urge to survive more than a few one viewing though.

Sounds like you're being awfully fussy for someone with no qualifications.  Open a paper, look for trades work.  Painting, framing, roofing, etc.  Maybe there's a machine shop in your area willing to take on a newbie.

If those choices sound too physical, and you apparently can't go back to retail then I'd say your motivation to work isn't sufficiently developed.

You could wear a tool belt!  Hubba Hubba!!

Don't knock the tool belt. Ever heard of a roofer being asked where his cover page was on his TPS report?

Don't have near the number of dickhead bosses you have in the corporate world. Then again, being a roofer until you are 60 is hard work.

How much is it costing you a month? Good Virtual Private Server setups are pretty cheap these days (shared hosting is teh suck). You can get something to support the site minus the game server and maybe the large file downloads (dunno how much bandwidth you are sucking up) for $20 - $30 a month. A donation button is a good idea as well (I agree mandatory subscriptions would drive away too many people). Or setup an Amazon affiliate account and link your weekly game releases to Amazon. Heck I'd even vote in favor of AdSense text ads on the forums if that's what it took to keep this place running.

Did you actually get a degree?  If so...

http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/

Start applying.

edit:  I'm serious, it's probably one of your best chances to get something not mediocre.  They usually don't care too much what your degree is in, just that you have one.

I actually look at USAjobs fairly often. Right now there are a grand total of 35 positions available in Phoenix, I'm fairly sure I'm not qualified to be a special agent or optometrist or Auditor. Apparently the government does not like the desert. EXCEPT FOR HIDING ALIENS.

Maybe one of those 'alien playmate' positions will open up.

Along the lines of donation .. if you could ever secure some of those closed beta spots you could raffle them away with donations of $10 or more (or something). If they'd even let you do something like that.

I know a lot of sites offer something a little extra for donations (for example, wallpaper or screensavers) so something like that would be incentive to donate every month.

..

As for a job. It's hard. Your best bet would be to get in at an entry level position at a company doing stuff you like, even if you aren't involved in that stuff yet. It's much easier to prove yourself once you are in the door than to reach for the sun and get burned.

Desert, eh? Why don't you start building pyramids? Oh, right, that doesn't pay very well, and then you hafta wander for 40 years.

So you don't like my suggestion to work as a line cook? I tell you, your appearance is intimidating. You'd be great. I think the suggestion to be a bouncer at a titty bar is a fantastic one. Particularly since your standards are so high, you won't be tempted by the candy. Or you could be a butcher's apprentice. I see you in blood and knives. Not sure why, but the image sticks.

We need an IT person, but I think it's only here in Portland.

lollerskates

Suggestion: Can you drive, well? Get a job driving...whatever, around. Art degree? There has to be Something you can do with it, like teach an art class a couple times a week somewhere. How about entry-level noobler IT-type stuff?

Who the hell let my mom into the thread?

You like Alias, right?
Didn't she do a reqcruiting add for the CIA? Join the CIA, that's pretty cool. You could be the next Jack Ryan watching anime in your dark cellar office where you're supposed to be analyzing stuff and winning the war on terror...


But seriously, why won't you move? You're young - I haven't stayed in the same city for five years total yet. If there's something you really want to do (the game industry or whatever you majored in) then you normally have to move after it.

He JUST got here.

I could watch the saber battle between Darth Maul, Qui-Gon and Obi-Won over and over. It's the rest of the movie I'd have a hard time sitting through.

Repeatedly having to hear, "Are you an Angel?" repeatedly would certainly make me question if the flashy battles are worth it.

Maybe Schild can get a job as an editor and perform a community service by saving us all from horrible dialog at the same time.

Awfully hard to argue with the logic, though.

So have you heard of these games called MMORPG's?

http://stationexchange.station.sony.com/

Good point. If you can stomach it, farming gold and items can be a lucrative business... and you did say you have a couple roomies that you could exploit hire for assistance.

But seriously, are there any universities nearby? Check the listings for jobs in their IT departments. It is a goodo way to get some experience under your belt in the IT field, even if it isn't making games. In addition, while the pay may be less than a comparable position in the industry, universities often have really good benefits and offer free schooling. You could get your Masters for free while working there, and job security is usually decent as well.

Or you can also sign up as a test subject.  Free medical that way too....

You could donate sperm and blood!

Donating plasma got me through college. You can give plasma a lot more often than blood although if you go 3 times a week your arms start to get really sore.

Hm. How much does plasma give? :P

I think this is your area?

http://www.bloodbanker.com/plasma/centers/category/phoenix/

Looks like they'll only let you do twice a week. $20 for the first and $25 for the second.

That's cheaper than I remember. When I was going it was 5 times in a rolling 2 week period and if you hit the 5th donation is was $55 with the prior one's scaling up to that. If you were willing to collapse your veins you could make about $400/month.

I was kind of sarcastic, but damn, 2 months of emptying your body and you've got a PS3. :D

You should give blood because it is the right thing to do...

Oh, right, Furiously... isn't there an opening at the place where you used to work?

Here's an opportunity that just opened up:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060405/ap_on_el_ge//mccain_straight_talk

Fuck, I'll do it!

I'm sure there are hundreds, but I still have my job. I'm just taking a 3 month vacation.

I work part-time as a golf caddy on a nice course. It's a great job if you have other interests, of which mine is writing a novel. You can generally set your own schedule, work however many days a week you want, and make about $100 a day with tips. Suprisingly you don't have to deal with a lot of dickheads since the people on the golf course are usually happy to be there and out of the office. I like it a hell of a lot more than my old desk job, and I've lost 35 pounds.

You could probably make $2k to $4k a month by putting Google Adsense text ads on F13. It even comes with an advertiser blacklist so you could ban IGE ads or whatever if you want. It would be interesting to see what context sensitive ads Google comes up with for the different threads.

BUY CROTCHPHEASANT
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Over here it's not legal to pay for plasma... and somehow we still have enough (I went two days ago and just signed up as a potential bonemarrow donor). Your system sucks.

I'm a bone marrow donor as well. Actually got the call last year that my name came up as a potential match. It came down to myself and one other person as the donor. Turns out he was a slightly better match than I was so I didn't have to donate.

Was worried about it giving the procedure is an actual medical procedure and all but it wasn't something I could ever say no to seeing as that's why I'm on the list.

I think the last bit of this thread has probably got that getting a job nonsense out of Schild's system.  The suggestions seem to have become rather gruesome.

Signe, why do you punish us with your avatars?  What did we ever do to you?

I like her avatars. :-P

I'd consider Starbucks. Decent benefits. They promote from below.

Just don't drink too much of the coffee.  At the Starbucks around here, the employees look like they've got a blood-caffeine-content of > 50%.  I'm just waiting for one to explode, spontaneously combust, and/or go postal.

If you do in fact have an art degree, why not take a job in retail to finance schooling for a year or two in order to get your teaching cert?  Then you can teach High School art.  You make 25-30K a year with summers off and no work to bring home.  Teaching has to be more fulfilling than being another cog in the capitalist juggernaut, although I wouldn't know.  I've only experienced the latter.

No shame in serving coffee to people who are better off than you. 

Well, maybe just a little....   :wink:

Except the problem being the $25-30K per year paycheck.  Not so appealing, even with summers off.

Yeah, but do you make more than that in retail?  I honestly don't know, if you do, I'm sure you have to work a lot more than a schoolday, including summers.  He'd be able to to something else with the extra time, like play Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne again.  I'd probably teach if I wasn't in law school.

No. Or not unless you are a regional manager of some kind, which usually involves doing the shit pay work as a manager for quite a while, and buttkissing your regional manager long enough that he gets promoted and you fail upward.

He could actually go back to college for a marketable degree...

Seriously... the numbers you people throw around as a "meh" salary. It makes me feel like I'm living in the third world.

Anyways, I have a friend that lives solely off google adds. He makes around $3k a month, after he pays for the GADZILLION sites he slaves over. So google ads might not be that bad an idea - I'm sure people here would click on them while they browse around to support the site.

Oh, I got a job last week. Unfortunately it doesn't start until 2 days after E3. I could get a job inbetween (and I might) but I don't know if I want to. There's a lot of games I want to finish and I'm not exactly desperate. So I figure I'll chronicle the next month in picture form.


Don't be a wiseass. I plan on going to get a Masters I just have no clue what to get it in. I've no driving ambition to become something at the moment.


I thought about that for a while. But I hate kids. Not young adults though, and if I do go back to school, it'd probably be so I could teach.


Yes. It just hasn't been implemented yet.

Nah, he has an art degree.  He's been spoiled for anything else except, maybe, communications or something equally useless.  He has such a nice feeling for space and colour, too... he should do what I told him to do before... artsy stuff.  But he won't because it's such a good idea.  Anyway, his job attention span is even shorter than his MMORPG attention span.  He should jump off the job wagon now and save himself getting all stressy over it. 

I don't like talking about him as if he isn't here.  We should start a private forum somewhere and discuss other aspects of his private life.  It'll be fun.

Wait until I figure out which course you work at.

Reading this thread reminded me that I made $15 per hour as a nude model for the art school.  Easiest money I ever made.  I assume, however, that someone posessing an art degree has already thought of that.

I do not have an art degree.  Or any degree.

I'd suggest going back to school for a philosophy degree. That'll open doors.

Metaphysical doors.

Anyways.

I'd actually considered the nude modeling thing, myself.  I'm at a point where I'm reasonably satisfied with my own body, and I do like easy money.  However, I fear there may be a hot chick in the class, and that my body would do what it does when there's a hot chick and nudity.

So I decided against it.

The great philosphers didn't have degrees.  You'll see, after my religion takes off.


If they forget their eraser, it's their problem.

If you can pop one in front of that many people, more power to ya.

Saw this anecdotal article today and figured it might be of interest to anyone looking.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0411/p01s02-usec.html

I can attest that Delaware is a decent place to live. I grew up there.

If f13 could find a way to sidestep my corporate overlord's site filters I would contribute.  Seriously.

Damn corporate overlords.

Heh. There is a way to do it actually. Lemme pull it up. That is, if you can load google, you can load f13.

Fake Edit: Here we are. Check out the second box down here: http://www.g2p.org/

Ferris Bueller you're my hero!  Please to point me to the paypal donation button. ;)

Get promoted in IT! :)

Art as in Fine Art, or "Arts"? A completed degree?

With fine art you could go nutso with getting together a portfolio and try to break into something like commercial art, or advertising.
With "arts" you're qualified to wait tables and the like.

If you decide to do teaching, there should be something like a postgrad teaching cert that you can do. Those are usually 1-2 years fulltime though. Here anyway.

If you do a masters, try to do it in something worthwhile. There's a lot of masters and PHD programs that essentially qualify you for nothing at all besides perhaps swallowing your own tail and teaching those things. Having said that, the life of a career Academic/Lecturer seems to be pretty decent and you can be out of touch with the real world all you want!

Dunno, you need to work out if you're after a job or a career right now.

I'm not doing any ad buys right now as most of the current clientele are either PR or consulting, or I'd help out by purchasing some ad space.  I will, however, look you up as soon as the next one comes along - most likely after E3. 

There's a good enough pool of people here for several of you to make a good living from it, if you're so inclined.  You'll need to diversify a little with the sites you each operate/run, and if one of you is artistic enough - a good web comic is an excellent draw for advertisers, and finally you'll need a good as sales person (screw google ads, they're excellent filler, but the ad market is such where you can make much more on your own with just minimal hustle).

Anyway, I'm always around if you need more advice on this front.

Savant

P.S.  My original handle Savant was either under my gamedesigner.net or my last firm's domain, neither which I'm associated with anymore, so I couldn't retrieve my password.  If someone wants to help with that and help me get rid of this annoying 2 at the end of my name, I'll be forever thankful.

I like the 2.  It suits you!

Just got around to posting this, but g2p.com also is blocked - turns out "Proxy advoidance" is another category Websense looks for.

You still look mean as hell, even after all these years ;)

Schild since you have opened this discussion - to make it work - can you post your resume?