f13.net

While I enjoy the battlegrounds, I think I have more fun in world pvp.  By that, I don't mean raiding Tauren Mill, or ganking lowbies.  In fact, I have more fun not ganking lowbies but interacting with them (which sometimes means I end up ganked - actually that happens a lot).

Hillsbrad is a favorite zone.  I play alliance mostly these days.  I like to take a little toon (20something) into Hillsbrad Fields and protect the farmers and town council from the evil maurading horde.  Dun Garok is another fun place, but alas mostly not utilized - I guess the horde skip the quests with the elite dwarves (I know I skip elite mobs when I can).

Alas, my server suffers from an underpopulation of horde.  Can anyone please recommend a nice pvp realm with a healthy horde population that is up-and-coming?

Bonechewer has enough Horde a think, but also a healthy population of puss Alliance that likes to roll through lowbie zones with 40+ toons.

Doesn't matter to me too often though, as I am able to kill people far above my own level - killing lvl 40 Hunters at 34? hell yeah.

You must be a warlock.

I hate warlocks on my hunter.

My priest has become fun to play (shadow spec) in the 30s.  Levelling up was a little painful before 30, but at 38 pvp is fun (solo, I mean). 

Mage is only 23, so I'm not quite sure how it scales up, but I like the teleporting around, and there's plenty of escapes for mages.  Rogues which can be troublesome for my hunter sometimes are like pie with ice cream for my mage.

One really fun thing about WoW for me is playing a class that can own another one which owns another one of my toons.  Blizzard got the paper rock scissors thing down really well.

Oh, and as far as pussies who like to gank lowbies 10+ levels below them - Shattered Hand has horde which do the same thing - although not a lot anymore - I think the horde are leaving for other servers.  I just don't understand what's fun about that.  It's so much more fun to go up against even levels.

It's not about fun.  Haven't you been listening for the last ten years ?

Sorry, my fault - my current toon is a Warrior.

I eat Hunters for breakfast.

Rogues are usually pretty easy, and still perfectly doable when they are ahigher in level than me and are twinked. Rogues who hit evade against me are just funny (~75% to crit with Overpower).

Warlocks are a pain when I don't have a way to cancel their fear. They're cake when I'm in Beserker stance and Zerker Rage is up.

Mages are a pain, but doable when Intercept is up, and even more so if I get to Charge.

Warriors are a pain, but it's funny when I disarm them and they hit Retaliation.

Priests are Annoying, especially if they spec into Discipline and get the PW:Shield talents.

Paladins are super annoying. They have to be kind of dumb to die to me solo. At least I get Pummel soon, and can block their holy school for a few seconds when they are low health and want to bubble.

Druids are usually pretty easy. Moonfire spam ftl.

I get everything?

I have been wondering how to do this one.  I had a friend who beat me by really cheesy shield, mind blast, repeat.  By the time I wore off his shield, he had another one ready to go.  I can think of a good strat for a protection warrior involving concussoin blow and shield slam silence, but for an arms or fury warrior?

Interestingly enough, prot warriors are the weakest against priests.. and they are pretty bad against everything else too, except for other warriors and impatient rogues. Fury warriors can use deathwish and mow the priest down with sufficient crit chance and two fast weapons and arms warriors just destroy priests with mortal strike. On the other hand, a prot warrior will be hard pressed to chew through the pw:s with a 1h+shield combo, unless they have waaay-too-uber gear. You can't really stunlock a priest as prot, especially since they get a talent that resists stuns. Of course, you'll want a high-quality 2h weapon for arms, and two high-quality 1h weapons for fury (slow mainhand, fast offhand or fast mainhand, fast offhand, depending on your tactics).

Oh, sorry, before I forget: alliance are all nubs!!11olololololol Seriously, that crap needs to stay on the blizz forums. I play both horde and alliance, and honestly, NEITHER side is worse than the other. ;)


-- Z.

If you are owning hunters w/ a Warrior @ 60 they are terrible pvp'ers.

Feign + frostrap = 4tw.

I'm a terrible pvper on my 60 hunter.  Feign gets resisted or I get stunned and die before I can use it, and frost trap only works long enough for me to run away.  I can rarely kill a warrior before he can kill me.

As I told a friend last night, I'm fine at pvping against my demographic.  Unfortunately, not many soccer moms play on WoW pvp servers.

Edited to add:

I have the most trouble with warlocks and warriors on my hunter.  Shamans aren't easy either, and rogues have enough tricks to kill me. 

My priest (38) does fine against similar-leveled warriors, warlocks and priests (as long as the rogues don't completely get the drop on me).  So I'm finding it fun to play.

So Strazos, what is the counter class for your warrior now, what level are you and when did other classes become so killable?  Is this why so many people roll warriors?  No counter to it?

Nerfed, 4tl.

Well, not Feign + Freezing (not frost.. gah.) trap, but Scattershot is on the same timer as traps in 1.10. Glee another respec for my hunter, now that that particular talent is questionable.

Outside of that, even with feign & FT it's not hard for a warrior to beat-down a hunter so long as they're doing the inter-hamstring dance.  Hunter has to blow their trinket to clear the first Ham after flopping. Their shot will clear the ice for the War to intercept & hamstring again..  then beat the everloving shit out of them.

  With an uber crossbow crit combo (Aimed + Multi + Auto all critting), the hunter may hurt the war for around 5-6k on the opening volley.  Yes, that sucks, but most of the time it's only going to be 1900-2000 damage. Hunters don't have 30-40% crit rates.. they may hit 20% if they're all purpled out, meaning that ultra-combo is stupidly rare. The warrior whines come from folks who expect to engage hunters and come away with full health because, 'omg I had him in melee range! I shouldn't be hurt!'

Didn't know that had been nerfed, my fault been out of the game for awhile (and loving it).

Fights versus hunters used to go something like:

Scatter and/or Conc get warrior into combat (no charge) and slow them down, multi + a few auto shots.
Warrior: Intercept + HS + MS
Hunter: Feign + Freezetrap in .5 sec (unavoidable)  if I remember right this was plenty of time for them to bandage for a second or two and then line up an aimed shot.
Warrior: smashT! ow!
Hunter:  Repeat from step 1 'till dead.

*shrug*  not that I didn't beat bad hunters, in fact it is surprising how many hunters dont play their class well.  A good hunter might even throw in a wingclip for shits and giggles.  But pre-nerf there is no way any warrior was consistantly owning hunters unless they were bad pvp'ers.  The trap/conc/scatter was just too much snare/root to overcome.

Hunter dps is higher then rogues who when geared couldn't often chew through 6k hp's using only two stuns to obtain complete lock.  But I really pvp'd against people with rediculous levels of gear so I may have a skewed view of WoW's pvp.

Aimedshot->mutli->auto pisses me right off.  Every cloth class's trinket should be able to break freeze trap.  And viper sting needs some kind of nerf. 

Really, the mudflation has been taking its toll, and there's no signs of it getting better.  There needs to be some caps put in place when it comes to PvP. 

If you do the numbers, it's still better to eat one overpowered shot than eat all your non-crit shots for 15 seconds... overpower has a long enough cooldown that it's not a huge deal.

Of course, we shouldn't need to evade you anyway, only a lousy rogue goes toe to toe... our cripple is better than your hamstring, we can play the rupture game and dance inside your intercept, or stunlock/run to 5 combo pts, expose armor, do some large stunlocks, run away, wait for cooldowns, wash, rinse, repeat...

disclaimer: this is for 1v1 only, no help from either side.

I live for 1v1 pvp, unfortunately I can never get enough of it.  Cruising around Winterspring (or a newb zone with gankage problems) is about the best it gets.

I can't wait until the 1.10 druid change letting us use items in forms (A HUGE buff imo).  Nobody expects a bear to have a 30 second sap (Goblin Rocket Helmet) or to burst you for 1-4k damage (Gnomish Death Ray)  :evil:

Ok, let me break things down more. Currently, I am playing a 37 Tauren Warrior. So things which come into play at higher levels, especially endgame-type things, simply do not apply to my situation. I've never had a toon over lvl 40, and my one lvl 40 was a priest.

I would say my warrior is fairly well outfitted, but not excessively twinked. I have the Whirlwind Axe ("lovingly" referred to as the "Imba Axe" by a friend), but the rest of my gear is either from drops or stuff I bought from the AH (nothing extravagant). I have a few enchants, but nothing crazy; +7 dmg on the axe, 50 ac on the cloak...that's about the best I have. Maybe some armor kits, or +3 sta somewhere. Nothing compared to some of the twinks running around with maxed-out enchants, though I have been playing with the idea of getting Crusader on my axe, though I am hesitant because I do not know how it performs on a 2hder, or even how much longer I will be using that axe.

Jayce: I have no real counter against a priest who specs for fast Shields. All I can do is Hamstring them and hope for some timely crits/help. A "lucky" evade by the priest is always helpful.

Hoax #1: No, I'm not pwning hunters at 60, though I don't see why I won't be able to, if I'm able to pwn 40 hunters at lvl 34. I just find the VAST majority of hunters to be very, very poor players/PvPers. I just see it as a kind of newb class, though there ARE good hunters (far and few between). Most just spam autoshot and get scared when I close to melee, some even put up the AGI aspect to dodge more. More Overpower plzkthx.

Xanthippe: There are plenty of counters vs warriors, most of which are simply good players. But as far as classes go, I generally have the most trouble with 3 classes. Paladins (survivability, no way to stop the bubble). Mages, ESPECIALLY when they get the first shot. If I don't get to charge, I'm losing about 20 rage just from improved charge, PLUS whatever I would get from the first swing connecting. That lost rage, plus the distance I have to close, is pretty vital. Sure, I can pop bloodrage for an instant 10 rage for intercept, and pop my Brutal Armor click for 30 rage (once an Hour), but by this point the Mage has gotten off 2-3 spells on me, and that hurts. When I finally get close, they just have to nova/blink, and that's pretty much game. Also, Warlocks are tough, but this all depends on my stance. If they catch me with fear outside of my Berserker stance, they can pretty much keep me fear locked. BUT, if I can get into Berserker stance, and this is usually the case when I initiate combat with a charge, I can pop Rage and be immune to fear for 10 sec (w/ 30 sec cooldown). At this point, the Warlock can't really do much but hope I miss or they get assistance. The Succubus might give them a chance, but many players don't use her in the BGs.

Bhodi: Well, if you evade for 15 seconds, That's giving me 3 Overpowers, which is good for at least 700 dmg (conservative estimate). Also, yes, you can stun lock me. It really sucks, as my friend has (or had) a rogue, and was VERY good with the stun locks. Unfortunately, I now have my trinket and Berserker Rage, so if I can get things going correctly, I become quite immune to many of a rogue's abilities. Also, I'll do funny things, like Disarm against not only rogues, but also warriors, paladins, and hunters. Most classes become quite useless when they can only punch with their main hand.

I generally  do pretty well for myself in PvP, especially world PvP. Any more questions? =)

Yeah, the whirlwind axe with a +7 enchant is the equivalent of a level 43ish blue weapon. Warriors are as good as their weapons. :P I used the 2h axe from SM (roughly equivalent to ww) until 48, then I got a Truesilver Champion from a guildie that I used until 52 when I got a Demonslayer with a demonslaying enchant (crazy grindin'), then switched to the Ice Barbed Spear at 56ish.

Anyway, most people below 60 (that aren't BG twinks) aren't too kitted out in my experience. They have the occasional blue from an instance and maybe a blue weapon to grind with, but that's all. You'll have to waste plenty of gold at 60, might as well save up. Plus you have the occasional noob who doesn't have the gold to afford anything.

BTW, about warlocks... wait until they get deathcoil at level 42. ;) Things will change as you level up... and at level 60 with easy access to weapon chains / stronghold gauntlets / death grips, disarm only works against idiots (which is a surprisingly large percentage of the WOW population... I disarmed 3 untamed blade wielders and 1 sulfuras hammer owner so far)


-- Z.

My buddy runs a 60 warlock. He's gear is...ok. Nothing crazy...but he still wtfpwns epic'ed people.

Watching him take on 5 60 Alliance in the Arena so I can get my trinket is pretty funny.

EDIT: Also, solo DM farming, hehe.

My 38 priest has a fairly easy time with most 40 warriors, but as with hunters, there are a lot of not-very-good warriors about.  She's currently shadow spec (at least until 1.10 comes out).  My hunter at 38 did not have as easy a time with warriors so it's rather satisfying to beat a class that beats my other class.

She's sort of twinked.  A couple of blue items (although not the best, she wears the Robe of Power because she's a tailor and made it, but there are better items for level than that), and no enchants because I'm too lazy/cheap to spend the cash on something she'll outgrow soon.  Maybe armor kits.

She didn't go tailor/enchanter?

No, tailor/skinning. My little mage is an enchanter (just picked it up for disenchanting, actually).  That's my auction house toon, where I exercise my capitalistic tendencies.