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Title: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 13, 2006, 12:45:34 PM
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BioWare Corp. Announces New ''BioWare Austin'' Studio
Monday March 13, 8:01 am ET 
New Studio Recruiting for Massively Multiplayer Online RPG Project


EDMONTON, Alberta--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 13, 2006--Canadian videogame developer BioWare Corp. has announced the opening of a new studio, BioWare Austin, based in Austin, Texas. It is the second of BioWare's studios and the first to be located outside of Canada.
BioWare Austin has already begun work on a Massively Multiplayer Online roleplaying game (MMORPG) title; the new game will mark BioWare's debut in the Massively Multiplayer Online space. BioWare has recruited some of the top talent in MMO and RPG development, both to manage the development efforts at BioWare Austin and to collaborate with the experienced team at BioWare Edmonton, to develop a game that combines the best of BioWare's great past games with a compelling persistent online experience. Joining the Austin team as lead designer is James Ohlen, BioWare's Creative Director, whose previous credits include lead or co-lead design roles on Star WarsŪ: Knights of the Old Republic(TM), Neverwinter Nights(TM), Baldur's Gate(TM) and Baldur's Gate II(TM). Also leading the BWA team are MMO veterans Richard Vogel and Gordon Walton. Richard Vogel brings 15 years of experience to BioWare Austin, previously serving as VP of Product Development for Sony Online Entertainment's Austin studio, as well as launching Ultima Online(TM) as a senior producer at Origin. Gordon Walton recently served as VP, studio manager and executive producer at Sony Online Entertainment as well as VP and Executive Producer at Electronic Arts.

"BioWare is committed to a seamless collaboration between our two studios to ensure the same high standards of quality and creativity our dedicated teams have always delivered," said Ray Muzyka, co-founder and Joint CEO of BioWare. "With our extensive heritage in the roleplaying genre, BioWare Austin is extremely well positioned to innovate in the massively multiplayer online space for BioWare's valued community of fans."

The new BioWare Austin comes soon after the formation of BioWare/Pandemic Studios, a partnership facilitated by private equity firm Elevation Partners. The new entity combines top videogame developers BioWare Corp., an industry leader in the role-playing game genre, and Pandemic Studios, an award-winning developer of best-selling action titles.

Both BioWare Austin and BioWare Edmonton currently have job openings for programmers, designers, artists, animators, world builders and writers, with new jobs being posted regularly. Applicants may view job postings and submit materials through jobs.bioware.com. BioWare Austin will also be recruiting, along with BioWare Edmonton and sister studios Pandemic Studios LA and Pandemic Australia, at the Game Developers Conference at the San Jose Convention Centre in San Jose, California, March 20-24, 2006.

via Yahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060313/20060313005444.html?.v=1)

The perfect location for poaching jobs from NCSoft and SOE. Go get'em tiger.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 13, 2006, 01:06:05 PM
If an F5 ever roars through downtown Austin the MMOG market is fucked.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: HaemishM on March 13, 2006, 01:26:28 PM
Well, it's got Bioware and Gordon Walton. That's a lot better track record than the dev teams of just about every other MMOG out there.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Trippy on March 13, 2006, 01:53:46 PM
Well, it's got Bioware and Gordon Walton. That's a lot better track record than the dev teams of just about every other MMOG out there.
Yes it really bodes well to have the former VP of Online Operations at EA and Executive Producer of The Sims Online on your MMO team (Gordon Walton), not to mention the Executive Producer of SWG (Rich Vogel). Why couldn't BioWare have poached somebody good down there like Warren Spector? :cry: I mean really, Austin is one screwed up place for MMO development. That city has given us UO and SWG and maybe Tabula Rasa some day. People really need to stop giving those ex-UO guys second, third, and fourth chances. And it may sound counter-intuitive but the best MMOs from the US have been from teams that had the least amount of prior MMO experience. Having a team with a lot of MMO experience just means that you end up with AC2, SWG, EQ2, and DDO.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Yegolev on March 13, 2006, 02:02:27 PM
Why couldn't BioWare have poached somebody good down there like Warren Spector?

They played Deus Ex 2?


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Trippy on March 13, 2006, 02:14:40 PM
Why couldn't BioWare have poached somebody good down there like Warren Spector?
They played Deus Ex 2?
The one blemish on his otherwise stellar career. Seriously look up his bio on Moby Games. He was producer or exec producer on some of the greatest PC games of all-time including Wing Commander, Ultima Underworld, >>> SYSTEM SHOCK <<<, Deus Ex, etc.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Stormwaltz on March 13, 2006, 02:24:16 PM
At least five games in development? Only four are listed on the site; Mass Effect, Dragon Age, an MMG, and a "new next gen game."

Are you counting Eclipse? That is in development, but it's just an engine.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: HaemishM on March 13, 2006, 02:31:17 PM
Maybe he means Neverwinter Nights 2, though I think Obsidian is the one doing that one.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Yegolev on March 13, 2006, 02:45:03 PM
Why couldn't BioWare have poached somebody good down there like Warren Spector?
They played Deus Ex 2?
The one blemish on his otherwise stellar career. Seriously look up his bio on Moby Games. He was producer or exec producer on some of the greatest PC games of all-time including Wing Commander, Ultima Underworld, >>> SYSTEM SHOCK <<<, Deus Ex, etc.


I was, of course, being funny, but I am glad you pointed this out.  I give him credit for helping ex-LGS people get Thief III out.  I even liked System Shock 2, although it wasn't quite System Shock.  No rollerskates!  Now I have to change my avatar to honor my favorite villain, SHODAN, once I figure out where that picture is.

Obsidian is doing NWN2.  We'll see how that turns out.  I predict that you'll get 80% through and the game will suddenly display a "footage missing" screen, roll credits, then exit to desktop.  Or it might install Fable.  Anyone's guess.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Signe on March 13, 2006, 04:25:05 PM
Which Fable?  The old one or the new one?


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 13, 2006, 06:06:25 PM
At least five games in development? Only four are listed on the site; Mass Effect, Dragon Age, an MMG, and a "new next gen game."

Are you counting Eclipse? That is in development, but it's just an engine.

Do you smell what I smell? I smell FEAR.

No, really, I cound Never Winter Nights. Just because you farm it out doesn't mean it's not taking resources.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Stormwaltz on March 13, 2006, 09:45:26 PM
No, really, I cound Never Winter Nights. Just because you farm it out doesn't mean it's not taking resources.

Honestly, other than hosting the forums and licensing the (now massively reworked) Aurora Engine, we have nothing to do with it. It's all Obsidian's sweat and blood. To the best of my knowledge no one in the building is involved.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Strazos on March 14, 2006, 06:02:16 AM
BioWare....MMG? Sign me up!

*Pre-Orders*


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: VickeVire on March 14, 2006, 06:47:50 AM
I remeber BG at release... was the first good RPG in a digital form.
Hope they do as good MMO as they did offline games.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Soln on March 14, 2006, 06:52:14 AM
Someone has to say it: wish it was in Canada.  /whine.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Trippy on March 14, 2006, 08:05:13 AM
I remeber BG at release... was the first good RPG in a digital form.
You're a young'un ain't ya?


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Morfiend on March 14, 2006, 12:02:10 PM
Planescape 2 please.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Lantyssa on March 14, 2006, 12:21:36 PM
Huh.  What's this doing out of the MMORPG forum?  At least the Den is getting cozy for those of us that don't know where our games belong. :-P


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: MrHat on March 14, 2006, 12:27:56 PM
Planescape 2 please.

Mmmmm.

I wish they'd rerelease it for PSP or something.  I really want to play through it again, but I'm a graphics whore.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: HaemishM on March 14, 2006, 01:23:45 PM
Huh.  What's this doing out of the MMORPG forum?  At least the Den is getting cozy for those of us that don't know where our games belong. :-P

It's industry news. Or at least, that's where it was posted first.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 14, 2006, 01:24:50 PM
Huh.  What's this doing out of the MMORPG forum?  At least the Den is getting cozy for those of us that don't know where our games belong. :-P

It's industry news. Or at least, that's where it was posted first.

Also, it's going to be a PC Game. This thread really shouldn't hit 2 pages or so. Speculating this early is like putting your hand in a fire. It's just not a bright thing to do.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: VickeVire on March 14, 2006, 01:44:54 PM
I remeber BG at release... was the first good RPG in a digital form.
You're a young'un ain't ya?

well it depends on how you look at it. Before BG RPGs in digital form sucked sooo hard


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 14, 2006, 01:47:07 PM
well it depends on how you look at it. Before BG RPGs in digital form sucked sooo hard
Here, I'll treat your problem as if I were pulling off a bandaid.

You're wrong.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 14, 2006, 01:49:53 PM
I remeber BG at release... was the first good RPG in a digital form.
You're a young'un ain't ya?

well it depends on how you look at it. Before BG RPGs in digital form sucked sooo hard

Obviously you missed the entire Ultima franchise.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 14, 2006, 01:50:48 PM
I didn't really like any of the Ultimas. But Vicke is still wrong.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 14, 2006, 01:52:47 PM
I didn't really like any of the Ultimas. But Vicke is still wrong.

You are soulless.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 14, 2006, 01:54:08 PM
I didn't really like any of the Ultimas. But Vicke is still wrong.
You are soulless.

Nope. Just honest. I didn't like [most of] the Goldbox D&D stuff either. See, even when I was young I wouldn't accept anything put in front of me and I certainly don't look back at that shit nostalgically. EVEN with those opinions, Vicke is still wrong. :)


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 14, 2006, 01:55:26 PM
You probably liked crap like Zelda and Final Fantasy, didn't you? I think we are gonna agree that Vicke is wrong, but that is about it  :evil:


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 14, 2006, 01:57:51 PM
I liked a lot of stuff. But D&D transferred rule for rule into digital form back then just wasn't fun to me. My imagination came up with better things than computers could give me in terms of graphics. In other words, my brain made D&D better than anything I could be offered on a PC. My opinion has nothing to do with Zelda or Final Fantasy.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: VickeVire on March 14, 2006, 01:59:43 PM
Well we all have our flavor and thoughts how a RPG should be right? I could have missed out on some game but BG was the first one I got the "Hey, this IS a RPG on a computer!" feel


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: HaemishM on March 14, 2006, 02:06:49 PM
Well we all have our flavor and thoughts how a RPG should be right? I could have missed out on some game but BG was the first one I got the "Hey, this IS a RPG on a computer!" feel

I'll prove how you are wrong.

Wasteland (http://www.mobygames.com/game/apple2/wasteland/reviews/reviewerId,35969/).

That is all.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 14, 2006, 02:10:40 PM
Fallout came out before Baldur's Gate also.

So did Daggerfall.

And Actraiser.

And The Bard's Tale.

And Crystalis.

And Final Fantasy IV & VI.

And Phantasy Star I & II.

And the Wizardry series.

This list could be endless.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: VickeVire on March 14, 2006, 02:35:58 PM
So all those games should make me change my feel? They don't. And yes I missed out on some of those. Might have been a gem I missed. Too bad for me


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 14, 2006, 02:40:26 PM
I suggest stepping away from the computer and catching up on 20 years of gaming there, chief. You didn't miss out on a gem or two, you missed out on a gem or fifty to a hundred.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Lantyssa on March 14, 2006, 04:00:02 PM
Huh.  What's this doing out of the MMORPG forum?  At least the Den is getting cozy for those of us that don't know where our games belong. :-P
It's industry news. Or at least, that's where it was posted first.
Also, it's going to be a PC Game. This thread really shouldn't hit 2 pages or so. Speculating this early is like putting your hand in a fire. It's just not a bright thing to do.
It is also MMORPG news.  I imagine each crowd has its own take on its significance.  It was posted so I do not particularly care where, it was just kind of hidden to some of us that don't delve into this section of the boards often so I had to tease.  Besides, the consiracy theory bit that interested me most has been added to the SWG thread...  :-D

And I agree about there being some good old games.  There were plenty that held my attention far better than Baldur's Gate.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Soln on March 14, 2006, 04:38:58 PM
while we're there.... I've been looking for something to help me install and run Darklands.  Anyone got DOS?  :-P


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 14, 2006, 04:39:38 PM
It won't run on the DOS emulator du jour?


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Morfiend on March 14, 2006, 04:48:00 PM
What I wouldnt gave to play an updated version of Phantasy Star 1 or 2, not this PSO crap game they have now.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 14, 2006, 04:53:18 PM
while we're there.... I've been looking for something to help me install and run Darklands.  Anyone got DOS?  :-P

That game would have been HUGE if it was released after the advent of widely available broadband. It was such a great game, but in such DIRE need of a couple of patches...


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Megrim on March 15, 2006, 03:43:28 AM
while we're there.... I've been looking for something to help me install and run Darklands.  Anyone got DOS?  :-P


DOS Box mang, DOS Box.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Soln on March 15, 2006, 07:04:59 AM
It won't run on the DOS emulator du jour?

I was lazing for a recommendation other than FreeDos (http://www.freedos.org/).  Never mind, I'll do it, right after I take out the garbage.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Strazos on March 15, 2006, 10:54:59 AM
Baldur's Gate was the first PC DnD RPG that I loved.

And yeah, I played pretty much all of those games listed by Schild. I liked most of them, but I still liked BG more. I was never a huge fan of the early console RPG battle systems (too damn grindy, even before the term really existed), and I despised the early first-person dungeon crawl RPGs (I'm looking at YOU, Gold Box series) - I could never get into them. I would just see the interface and think, "Gah, lame. I want to see my characters!"

Also, never played Wasteland, and I doubt I ever will. For Fucks Sake, I was about 4 years when the game was first released. I was busy pwning Zelda and Castlevania.


NOTE: I am still Very on-board with even the concept of a MMG developed by BioWare. Alpha plzkthx?


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: HaemishM on March 15, 2006, 11:26:20 AM
Also, never played Wasteland, and I doubt I ever will.

You are depriving yourself, young N00bler. There is nothing quite like unloading wildly into a crowd of rampaging cyborg-like things with the only clip for your Uzi you're ever likely to find while your arms rot off from radiocativity in 4 glorious colors. At least, that's what I remember.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Yegolev on March 15, 2006, 11:34:16 AM
It won't run on the DOS emulator du jour?

I was lazing for a recommendation other than FreeDos (http://www.freedos.org/).  Never mind, I'll do it, right after I take out the garbage.

Meg was right, just without link: http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/

[edit] Doesn't handle System Shock too well, but there are ways to do that otherwise.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Lantyssa on March 15, 2006, 01:32:51 PM
Wasteland was awesome.  I must have played through it a dozen times.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Bunk on March 15, 2006, 03:54:52 PM
The topic of this thread makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Strazos on March 17, 2006, 05:20:31 AM
I don't even think I could find a way to run Wasteland at this point, even if I wanted to. Apple II? lol, the only thing I played on the Apple II was a computerized voice program.

Sticking silly hockey player names into the program, and watching it butcher the pronunciation, is pretty funny on an off day.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Lantyssa on March 17, 2006, 07:27:57 AM
It was also released on DOS if you can locate that version.  I have not actually tried to load my copy with DOS Box, although I do not recall any weird copy protection that should stop it (ala Syndicate Wars :x).


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: HaemishM on March 17, 2006, 07:41:08 AM
Wasteland ran on DOS. I imagine getting an emulator for it would be as hard as getting any other emulator.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Big Gulp on March 18, 2006, 07:14:37 PM
You are soulless.

I think this is the one and only instance that I've ever agreed with Schild, but the Ultima franchise did nothing for me either.  C'mon, Lord British?  Even at the tender age of 12 I knew that that was the most jackass name ever given to a fantasy character.  It was enough of a deal breaker that I just could never get past it.

Then there's the tendency to name critters things like "mongbats", Garriott's obvious batshit insanity, etc, and I've just always felt justified in ignoring Ultima.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Murgos on March 19, 2006, 05:33:00 AM
I think this is the one and only instance that I've ever agreed with Schild, but the Ultima franchise did nothing for me either.  C'mon, Lord British?  Even at the tender age of 12 I knew that that was the most jackass name ever given to a fantasy character.  It was enough of a deal breaker that I just could never get past it.

Then there's the tendency to name critters things like "mongbats", Garriott's obvious batshit insanity, etc, and I've just always felt justified in ignoring Ultima.

You see, that's almost the exact reason why the Ultimas were so cool at the time.  The whole premise of the games was that you were some normal kid sucked into an alternate dimension where you lived out this fantastic hero life, the silly names are all a part of that.  It was pure fantasy and seeing Lord British put himself into the game as the King was just that little thing that said, yeah, he gets it.

There is a reason the protagonist was named "The Avatar" and all the characters welcomed you back each game like an old friend.  Looks like you missed it entirely.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 19, 2006, 06:30:45 AM
When you look back at RPGs pre 1992 or so, you have to look at them like this:

How much am I willing to suffer through?

There wasn't exactly a world of streamlining in old RPGs. They were tedious, required notetaking, and for the most part had absolute shit for stories (there are some notable exceptions). Some people suffered through the gold box stuff, some people suffered through Ultima, some people suffered through the first JRPGs on the Nintendo. None of them were really "fun." We were all easier to entertain back then. Gaming was new. If EQ1 or something like that had come along back then we all would have collectively shit ourselves. I can't go back and play Pool of Radiance. It's not fun anymore. Not even as a nostalgia trip. Neither is Dragon Warrior. Hell, the original King's Quests aren't even fun for me anymore. And as much as I'd like to, I can't be bothered to play Maniac Mansion or Sam & Max again. I've tried multiple times with A Boy and His Blob and it's never like it used to be.

The question is, how objective are we willing to be when we remember our first great gaming experience. In retrospect, mine sucked. Sure, SMB1-3 was there. So was Zelda, Loom, and other shit like that. But better versions or better games now exist for every known genre. Indigo Prophecy is just about the best adventure game ever made. It didn't hit me like Day of the Tentacle did when I was younger, but as I said, entertaining me was a LOT easier. Same thing with Neverhood, I'd never played anything like it. Half-Life 2 is probably the best single player FPS in existance. But when I was 12 or so, Doom was THE SHIT. HL2 was never THE SHIT. It was just another gaming experience.

And that's just how gaming goes. Me saying I didn't like Ultima is just admitting that I wasn't willing to suffer through it. Great, you were. I don't see how we missed the point if first generation games didn't entertain us. The question is, if they remade the Ultima's with modern technology, would they be worth playing? Nah, not to me. None of them were that compelling. Hell, if they remade the gold box games I wouldn't be interested. Just about the only titles I'd be interested in remakes of are FFIV, VI, and VII. And that's more because of story than gameplay. Only stories survive the test of time. Great gameplay and quality survives in memory. On that note, I've found consoles have a longer shelf-life than PC titles in terms of replayability down the road. I can pick up and play SMB3 any day of the week, but there's nothing that came out during that time on the PC that I'd even be remotely interested in booting up.

I've forgotten where I was going with this... Oh, right. "Little Touches" don't make a mediocre RPG good. Being young (in gaming years) and/or new to the genre makes a mediocre RPG good.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Murgos on March 19, 2006, 06:54:32 AM
When you look back at RPGs pre 1992 or so, you have to look at them like this:

How much am I willing to suffer through?

...snipped...

I've forgotten where I was going with this... Oh, right. "Little Touches" don't make a mediocre RPG good. Being young (in gaming years) and/or new to the genre makes a mediocre RPG good.

I think that between beginning and end you forgot where you started and where you were going to.  The Ulitmas were amazing simply because they had never been done before, you are absolutely right there, they were some of the first games to attempt to invoke a feeling of alternate reality that was such a promise of computers (and the push to that is directly responsible for MMOGs) and they did it graphically.  Were they the first faltering steps on the road?  Sure, but that doesn't mean they were mediocre.  The best at the time is still the best at the time, retroactively applying modern standards that have evolved from those first games doesn't make them lesser games it just means you have issues with determining cause and effect.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 19, 2006, 07:05:03 AM
The best at the time is one thing. The thread started with telling someone how much they missed. Ultima isn't something I put on that list. I can't tell someone to go back and play Ultima, they simply won't appreciate them. They had a time and a place. In terms of Now, it does make them lesser games. Other stuff has held up better. Some people are capable of going back and playing old shit and still being completely overwhelmed by it. I'm not. I'm fairly sure VickeVire, the person we're trying to convince otherwise would think we were whack if we said "Go back and play ultima." It's simply not something that can convince someone of the point we're trying to make. It's like telling someone to play EQ1 now that World of Warcraft is out. It's all about context.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Strazos on March 19, 2006, 07:26:38 AM
Wasteland ran on DOS. I imagine getting an emulator for it would be as hard as getting any other emulator, while at the same time not getting bombarded with maleware Bullshit from the kind of Warez sites you would have to peruse.

Fixed it for you. I spent two hours reviving a friend's machine because he Had to have a SNES emulator. No thanks.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Lantyssa on March 19, 2006, 08:40:45 AM
DOS Box is on Sourceforge.  Probably some other emulators, too.  They should be relatively safe...


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: HaemishM on March 20, 2006, 08:45:45 AM
Wasteland ran on DOS. I imagine getting an emulator for it would be as hard as getting any other emulator, while at the same time not getting bombarded with maleware Bullshit from the kind of Warez sites you would have to peruse.

Fixed it for you. I spent two hours reviving a friend's machine because he Had to have a SNES emulator. No thanks.

Yes, that's one reasons I just don't cruise Underdogs or other emulator sites. I'm not a big nostalgia gaming fan, but Wasteland was fun. There are a few games from the past I'd love to be able to boot up again, but I'm not sure I could take the antique graphics and the emulation issues, especially not when I have a ton of games still unplayed that are modern.

However, I do believe if someone remade the Ultimas with modern graphics and engine sensibilities (instead of some kind of glossy direct port), they'd still hold up today as great games.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Murgos on March 20, 2006, 11:35:20 AM
However, I do believe if someone remade the Ultimas with modern graphics and engine sensibilities (instead of some kind of glossy direct port), they'd still hold up today as great games.

Like this http://www.u5lazarus.com/?  I haven't played it yet but several people in this (or a related) community were involved in it.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: HaemishM on March 20, 2006, 12:58:11 PM
Yeah, something like that, only with a game engine more interactive than Dungeon Siege.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Soln on March 20, 2006, 01:13:44 PM
So Underdogs is full of malware?  Anyone got another linkie for a repository of old games?  It's where I got Darkfall, Fallout, but still trolling for Planescape.  thx


[Edit]  While we're discussing, can I propose a sub-forum for Classic Games or Games Well Esteemed or something that can hold a good list of games no longer on the radar but deserve  :heart:?  I want to get a separate box set up with Mule and these DOS'y jewels.  Thank f13 you're greatest!  :-D


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Daeven on March 21, 2006, 02:17:40 PM
So Underdogs is full of malware?  Anyone got another linkie for a repository of old games?  It's where I got Darkfall, Fallout, but still trolling for Planescape.  thx

Amazon.com. $13.95 or less.

sheesh.

Btw, Planescape still has one of the best stories I've found in a game yet. Someone make *that* MMOG / Sequel / Whatever


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Strazos on March 22, 2006, 10:25:37 AM
Btw, Planescape still has one of the best stories I've found in a game yet. Someone make *that* MMOG / Sequel / Whatever

Newb, don't tarnish a great thing.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Soln on March 22, 2006, 11:16:55 AM
So Underdogs is full of malware?  Anyone got another linkie for a repository of old games?  It's where I got Darkfall, Fallout, but still trolling for Planescape.  thx

Amazon.com. $13.95 or less.


Dude a lot of them are no longer available.  Point taken, however.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Strazos on March 23, 2006, 06:49:26 AM
Anyone know if Planescape is burnable? I'm serious.


I would usually HATE on such a thing, especially when one of my precious BioWare games is the subject of said copying, but...

It's been out of print for years, but people still should be able to play it.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: schild on March 23, 2006, 09:36:59 AM
I'm not entirely sure people who missed Planescape deserve to play it in retrospect. It might be too good for them.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Strazos on March 23, 2006, 09:42:50 AM
Perhaps you are right. Disbelievers do not deserve nice things.


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Signe on March 23, 2006, 02:56:36 PM
 You can buy it!  (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002EPZ2/102-4453621-7506502?v=glance&n=468642)

Now you don't have to lose sleep at night feeling guilty for stealing it. 


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Glazius on March 24, 2006, 07:25:26 AM
Anyone know if Planescape is burnable? I'm serious.

I would usually HATE on such a thing, especially when one of my precious BioWare games is the subject of said copying, but...

It's been out of print for years, but people still should be able to play it.
Burnable?

Hell, the noCD crack consists of _changing the INI file_.

Got Planescape in a 2pack with Drinkcoaster, I mean Soulblighter, slapped it on my HD and have been running nice ever since.

--GF


Title: Re: Bioware now has at least 5 games in development. This one is an MMOG.
Post by: Strazos on March 24, 2006, 08:21:54 AM
Burnable?

Hell, the noCD crack consists of _changing the INI file_.

Got Planescape in a 2pack with Drinkcoaster, I mean Soulblighter, slapped it on my HD and have been running nice ever since.

--GF

Already knew about changing the .ini file, but that doesn't answer my question....

A question that seems to be moot at this point. Have fun.