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Title: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Trippy on March 03, 2006, 05:12:16 AM
(http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20060302/capt.sge.quy02.020306194529.photo00.photo.default-380x258.jpg)

It's obviously not an M16/M4. It's a US Army solider if that helps.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Nazrat on March 03, 2006, 05:36:37 AM
M14.  The last true rifle in general military service in the US.

Frequently, it is used as an alternative for STA teams when they run out of the newer and more expensive toys. 

Very solid weapon. 


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Jimbo on March 03, 2006, 06:18:33 AM
Probably the old sniper rifle called the the M-21 which was the old sniper rifle for the US Army.  It is a match grade M-14, meaning it was an M-14 that was made to be even more accurate.  It was replaced by the M-24 which is a bolt action, but of the same caliber (7.62mm).

Linkage: http://www.snipercentral.com/m21.htm
            http://www.snipercentral.com/m24.htm
           
The US Marines have allways had the better marksmen (yeah I know...I'm ex-Army/Air Force, and I'll catch flak from Big Gulp, Cheddar, and Grimwell) and have allways been trying to field better snipers and rifles.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Trippy on March 03, 2006, 06:28:51 AM
Cool thanks guys. I knew we had enough military/ex-military people around to provide an answer.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 03, 2006, 09:31:43 AM
(http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/firearms/amr/img/barrett95.jpg)

THAT is a sniper rifle.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Bunk on March 03, 2006, 10:46:01 AM
(http://soldner.jowood.com/images/weapons/SVD.jpg)


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Samwise on March 03, 2006, 11:09:45 AM
(http://gamecs.ru/img/css/awp.gif)


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: HaemishM on March 03, 2006, 11:16:08 AM
Camping whore.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Llava on March 03, 2006, 11:59:08 AM
(http://www.thenextfuture.nl/users/mathijs/ReviewResidentEvil4/Help.JPG)

He shot Ashley.  :cry:


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Samwise on March 03, 2006, 11:59:45 AM
Camping whore.

lol, cry more n00b?


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Fabricated on March 03, 2006, 12:15:26 PM
The M-14 is extremely accurate, especially compared to the M-16 and most of its variants. My dad used one for his marksman test before he went to Vietnam, he said he wished he could've taken it with him since their M-16's were pieces of shit.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: kaid on March 03, 2006, 12:22:19 PM
The early M16's left a lot to be desired especially in jungle fighting. That kind of gun in the picture is a very accurate weapon and a lot less unwieldy as some of the new uber sniper rifles. Probably somebody is packing it as anti sniper support where they don't expect to need the ability to shoot the engine block out of a car.



Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Murgos on March 03, 2006, 12:33:50 PM
It's certainly a lot lighter and easier to use quickly than the Barrett.  What the guy is doing in the picture is something you can't do with a Barrett and is probably exactly why he is using it.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Ironwood on March 03, 2006, 02:20:38 PM
"Oswald was a fag."


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Surlyboi on March 03, 2006, 02:56:36 PM




Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Strazos on March 03, 2006, 04:03:58 PM
Camping whore.

Learn2Play

Aso, the Barret is quite the pimp rifle...."Boom Headshot"?


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Surlyboi on March 03, 2006, 04:37:55 PM
Camping whore.

Learn2Play

Aso, the Barret is quite the pimp rifle...."Boom Headshot"?

More like, "Boom headanddecentchunkofatleastoneshouldershot"


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Big Gulp on March 03, 2006, 06:46:39 PM
THAT is a sniper rifle.

THAT is an overpriced toy for rich gun nuts with teeny tiny penises.  The military uses it pretty much only for killing equipment and vehicles.  Professionals stick with sane rifles that don't weigh 75 pounds.

Being able to move is important, kids.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Fabricated on March 03, 2006, 07:57:09 PM
I don't think the Geneva Convention allows for shooting people with the Barret anyway.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Margalis on March 03, 2006, 08:24:48 PM
I know nothing about guns but his grip on that seems weird. Is that how people generally hold rifles? His hands seem very close together.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Gutboy Barrelhouse on March 03, 2006, 08:55:05 PM
He is just using the scope, if he wanted to fire he would need a better grip with the left hand (the .308 kicks alot).


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Murgos on March 04, 2006, 05:23:21 AM
I don't agree, the point of the left arm is to provide a stable firing platform so you want the left arm where it's going to get the most support from the wall he is leaning on, which is where it's at, supporting the rifle at near it's center of gravity which is where his left hand is.  You don't want to grip with the left hand, it should just be a pivot, gripping will throw off your natural point of aim (think of the rifle on a tripod, where it points is where it will hit, muscling it around will just screw you up.)  If you are properly relaxed when you fire and the weapon has proper support the rifle will return to its natural point of aim after you fire, the recoil won't be an issue.

I might suggest he tighten his stance up a little more and bring his left elbow down and put his shoulder on the wall (let the wall provide the support not your body) but otherwise looks ok to me for an offhand shot.

There is a lot more to consistent shooting than most people realize.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Wolf on March 04, 2006, 05:28:07 AM
Shit. That's complicated. Can't he just move his mouse untill the cursor is at the head of the enemy than click the left button. Like normal people do.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Bunk on March 04, 2006, 09:23:04 AM
Damn, was hoping to stir up a reaction with my pic of a Russian sniper rifle, in a thread full o 'merican ones. Oh well.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Fabricated on March 04, 2006, 09:36:35 AM
Damn, was hoping to stir up a reaction with my pic of a Russian sniper rifle, in a thread full o 'merican ones. Oh well.
Who doesn't love the Dragnov?


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Merusk on March 04, 2006, 04:41:30 PM
A good gun crosses all boundaries and borders, and finds it way to even the hardest of hearts.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Arnold on March 05, 2006, 02:46:40 AM
Camping whore.

Learn2Play

Aso, the Barret is quite the pimp rifle...."Boom Headshot"?

Players who own with the scout are way more impressive than AWP fags.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Ironwood on March 05, 2006, 03:24:51 AM
Shit. That's complicated. Can't he just move his mouse untill the cursor is at the head of the enemy than click the left button. Like normal people do.


Only if he's been taught by killographic murder simulators.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Trippy on March 05, 2006, 04:06:52 AM
Camping whore.
Learn2Play

Aso, the Barret is quite the pimp rifle...."Boom Headshot"?
Players who own with the scout are way more impressive than AWP fags.
The Barrett (and the M24) in BF2 is like the Scout in CS, it's not a one shot kill unless it's a headshot.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Strazos on March 05, 2006, 03:17:40 PM
What size round does the Barrett fire? I reckon a good shot to an artery or joint would be practically fatal.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Gutboy Barrelhouse on March 05, 2006, 03:44:10 PM
It fires the same round as the .50 cal machine gun.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Murgos on March 05, 2006, 04:17:30 PM
What size round does the Barrett fire? I reckon a good shot to an artery or joint would be practically fatal.

A quarter pound of lead travelling over 1 mile/second will turn a person inside out from the kinetic impact.  Urban legend has it that the shock wave from a near miss will remove limbs.  There is a reason that round is outlawed by the Geneva convention for use on people.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Big Gulp on March 05, 2006, 05:07:31 PM
A quarter pound of lead travelling over 1 mile/second will turn a person inside out from the kinetic impact. 

I've seen .50 caliber rounds go through a 8 foot thick packed earth berm no sweat.

Of course, outlawing it in the Geneva Convention is stupid, and I can guarantee that anyone manning a .50 isn't going to NOT shoot at personnel.  Dead is dead, and there's no good reason why grenades and Claymores are fair game and a large caliber round isn't.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Trippy on March 05, 2006, 05:18:50 PM
Where does it say in the Geneva Convention that .50 caliber weapons can not be used against personnel? That's just one of those goofy urban legends as far as I can tell. Notice for example on this page (http://www.snipercentral.com/m82.htm):

Quote
UPDATE The US Army has officially adopted the M82A1 as their special purpose long range sniper rifle. Believe it or not, a bolt action won the trials but for reasons not entirely clear, the US Army decided to adopt the M82A1M (The M has a few modifications over the USMC M82A3). The official designation for the rifle is XM107 Long Range Sniper Rifle. The max effective ranges are listed as 1500 meters at materiel targets, and 1000 meters at personnel.
Emphasis mine.


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Yegolev on March 06, 2006, 07:05:06 AM
1km?  Neat.

Quote
Believe it or not, a bolt action won the trials but for reasons not entirely clear, the US Army decided to adopt the M82A1M

Does Halliburton make weaponry?


Title: Re: Is this a sniper rifle?
Post by: Jimbo on March 06, 2006, 07:40:21 AM
6.8mm Rem SPC looks pretty nice, to bad in Indiana we have so much brush that I see deer at about 100 feet or less.  Sounds like a great gun to take out on a western state hunt.