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Who here has done it?
 I'm mainly concerned with online games, where cheating can have an effect on other people's gameplay.

Why? What kind of satisfaction did you gain by cheating?  Did you simply download a tool online, or figure something out on your own?

I ask this because I've been playing WarRock a lot lately, and the cheaters Really annoy me - random kills, self-healing tanks, etc. Stupid shit if you ask me.

You should have played more Diablo online.  You'd be desensitized to the cheating by now.

Oh, I played Diablo. I loved the days when my dial-up lag was just right so I could dupe easily.

But this didn't hurt anyone - I've never cheated in a game to someone else's detriment. I'm more concerned with the script kiddies in CS, Lineage, etc. Or the exploiters in...countless games.

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That's for reminding me of Diablo 2 online.

But did you get satisfaction from cheating?  What did you do with your duped stuff?

Sure - I was able to play the game. Diablo sucked ass if you played "legit" - I had to practically cheat to beat the first boss with the shitty gear you get.

And what did I do? I played with my friends for the good of Tristam (or whatever it was). I didn't go around ganking people.

Then you sucked.

I tried OGC out once in college.  (I didn't inhale.)

I didn't find it satisfying, except when I was able to use it to wtfpwn other cheaters and get them to quit the server in search of easier prey.  Entertaining maybe, but only for a little while.  My primary goal was to find out exactly how easy it made the game and how easy it was to evade detection.  The answer was "VERY VERY" to both counts - I could kill the entire other team while AFK (and did once, standing unarmored in my spawn point with a Glock), and I found that 95% of people wouldn't say anything even when confronted with completely blatant cheating, never mind if I made even a half-assed effort to conceal it.  I think only one server ever took the step of banning me.

After a week or two of experimentation I uninstalled it and then quit playing CS on any server that didn't have anti-cheat software installed.

YEP

I've cheated a few times in single player games.  It made the game(s) so unfun that I couldn't stand to play them anymore.  So I don't cheat.

I have never cheated in an online game but I have done some packet sniffing just to see if I could figure it out if I really wanted to (Ethereal ftw).  Oh and I did set up a box for that early EQ one that showed you maps/mobs/hit points etc...  but again that was really just to see what the guys who made it were doing.  Not because I used it to help me play the game.

I've never cheated in an online game. But I did kill a bunch of baz nitches in SW:G to fund a couple extremely overpowered weapons.

Sort of, once. When I was playing in clan level bf1942, I was the only one with Photoshop and there was a rumor of texture manipulation. So I made all Allied textures bright blue and all Axis textures bright red, and sure enough...Totally lame, everyone was easily visible. I deleted it because I don't cheat, and it looked like shit and made the game lame.

I totally fucking hate online cheaters and feel they should be taken out back and shot. Don't piss on someone else's fun because you're bored. Get a girlfriend or something.

In single player, who gives a shit what you do if you're enjoying the game.

Cheater's never prosper.

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Of course, she's expected to make more money than ever this year.  But still... five months in a country club prison is lots! 

I've never cheated in an online game but with UT99 I have tons of experience with it. AIM Bots, Server Hijacking, Perma-Invis, All Weapons always at full cap and so forth. It's fun fun and it's even better seeing people banned/caught. They cry like babies.

A few training exploits in UO.  One was for getting 100 in trap detection in about 15 minutes.  The other was getting that last 5 points in magic resistance back when it was near impossible to get.  I did figure out a lumberjacking trick to get like 4 times the lumber from a tree than normal.  None of this bothered me since I really didn't gain much by doing it other than saved time.

I've never hacked any mmog, but used some hacks on single player just to finish them once I was bored. (Morrowind, some Might and Magic games, etc.)

Never any outright hacks or third party cheats. I did use a few UO exploits in the day - house break in bugs mainly. Oh yea, I used crossbow bolts with my longbow for a while in AC. Not in pvp though, unless I really disliked the other guy of course.

I have used some exploits in my time. Mostly in UO back in the day. Seems the older I get, the more agenst it I get.

What I REALLY hate is hacks in FPS online games. WTF. Aimbots, wallhacks. How it this fun? Its basically like saying "I am not good enough to compete on a level playing field". I fucking hate aimbots.

If you use aimbots you should die in a selfcombusting anal fire.

A self-combusting anal fire would be a neat party trick.

I used a cheat program for CS:S once, just to check it out as some people here have.

It's just disgusting - you can set the things up so they practically play for you - aim bots, autofire, wallhacks, ESP to see where all the other players are (+ their health statistics)...it just becomes pointless to even play.

My only other experience with cheating in online play is being accused of cheating when I am not. That's always fun.

Overall I too hold the general sentiment that cheaters, including people who take advantage of exploits in MMOs that somehow affect my standing in the game, should be dragged out into the street and flogged.

I've been kicked off a ton of BF1942 servers for "cheating". I was merely in great form because I was playing nightly with my clan in several leagues. Also, BF1942 was pretty simple once you got the hang of it, you just couldn't play it like Quake. Kneel or prone, shoot in tight bursts, aim for the head. That's why BF2 is such a letdown after the visceral 1942.

I don't cheat much, and only in single player games (the last game I think I actually sat down and said "I'm going to hack this" was, I think, Daggerfall).  And I'm certain that there's a special circle of Hell reserved specifically for people who cheated at the original Phantasy Star Online (RAGERAGERAGE!). 

But, on the other hand, I have nothing against exploits.  If some programmer screws up and makes a quest that gives 1000 experience instead of 100, well, congrats to whoever gets it before they fix it.  I don't really care.  If we were talking about some PvP exploit or something, that would be fucking annoying and I'd probably cancel if the devs didn't fix it reasonably soon, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape at the player for using it.

Oh, The Diablo (and not the DiabloII), those were the times...
when you used hacks to hunt and kill cheaters, like a White Knight of Justice. Nothing beats the feeling of cornering your prey and finishing him off in eerie of spolitz, buffed up-chars and hacks:D

I used an auto-clicking program to finish out my armorcrafter in DAoC. While I was never far away from my computer in case someone tried to talk to me, I wasn't going to sit around and watch that stupid green bar. I never left it completely alone since I had to go buy and sell stuff occasionally. It really helped with trinketing stuff to make money so I could get those last points. The sad thing was about a month after I made Legendary Armorcrafter, I quit. I think I still have a full set of 100% quality armor on that character that was never used.

If I wasn't so neurotic and paranoid, I'd cheat all the time. 

I cheat at all my single player rpgs.  Even that makes me nervous.

Yeah I guess I forgot using macros for UO.  Probably because it became almost required if you did any kind of crafting, but it was useful for other skills too.  I was the same though.  I wouldn't leave it to do it overnight like many did.  I just got tired of poking the same three buttons every 30 seconds.

I have tested a little speed hack in many MMOGs to date (during the beta phases). This has worked in almost all that I have tested. I reported the problem and submitted the hack for the programmers. Since some of the MMOGs were "immune" to the hack, it is possible to fix the game to prevent it, but alas, many of the games never fix the problem since it effects a core aspect of the game  code itself and most of the games cannot be written from the ground up at such late phases to avoid this problem. So yes, I've done it for the greater good. I feel I've done my part to help make these games better. Haven't used the hacks during live gameplay.

I cheated twice in two Single Player games to circumvent plotstopping bugs (one in Ultima Underworld 2, one in Morrowind). Other than that I don't see why I should cheat and therefore get less gameplay for my money.

I used the EQ map thingie for a few weeks. Mosty because there were some zones that I would get lost in no matter what. Oh and it was nice to walk into a zone and see what named were up and kill them. I had thought it would be a good pulling tool to watch for agro drops and such. It was. But I got too disguisted with myself, so I stopped using it.

I did a program for DAoC which did AFK crafting for me. Partly because crafting sucks ass in DAoC and partly for educational purposes. It felt very rewarding since it saved me time and I learned some from the experience.

was there another way to make Jedi pre-CU, shit, pre-NGE??

Massive exploitation in UO: house break-ins, using bugged weapons to insta-kill macroers in town, finding new and inventive ways to get people guard killed.  I was with or ran parallel to Nija's group throughout UO.  They were a great source for a pk group trying to stay one or two steps ahead of the fodder.

Nothing really third party cheating except using certain macro programs to skill up while I was out having a life or attending classes.

Why? Dunno, it was fun and I was a pker? You really had to be willing to do what ever it takes in that environment before it happens to you.  Some jerk moves on to my island? Fine, we're going to rez someone through the door and empty him out.  Thanks for the free house deeds, now we can fill the place out!  Enemy guild gets a new tower? Well, same break-in bug still works. Kiss your shit goodbye.  Kill some goon you don't like and he ghosts in front of you spamming a bunch of ooooOOOooooo?  Stick some flour bags around him and watch him rot in the dungeon for the rest of the night.

There was a lot of gray area stuff too like fire suits, earthquake insta-kills, harm wands, reflect triggering guards, casting chain lightning to crash people knowing you can get back into the game faster, gating people to really small islands.. etc.

Ohh, I exploited like hell in AC2 also.  Mostly because the legit way to progress in levels and mob/PC balance were both beyond abysmal. We all just wanted to max out levels and run around killing people. Nothing quite like completing a quest you didn't even participate in to get roughly 10-20 levels. At least this I felt didn't really HURT anyone other than those trying to level up legitly, which didn't exist on a PVP server.

I think the only time I cheat in single player games is if a game has multiple endings and I don't feel like replaying to get them all. 

For games such as UT there are so many advantages in the mods being made and the maps that there really shouldn't even be a reason to cheat at them. Look at ZARK mod and low grav, perfect example. As long as you know your keys and do your keybinds, you can play a whole game, win and never be hit once. Yay for double jump.

I used the transparent wall client hack in UO. UO had a 3/4 view and the ground tiles behind buildings (or behind the giant Yew trees) were not visible on most clients. This was before they added the transparency halo around your character. It really helped out because you could access areas of the map that would normally be blocked by buildings. If someone died back there it wasn't possible to loot their crap and it just rotted away. With the transparent wall client hack you could. You could also hide stuff back there for transfering loot between characters. Not to mention the advantages of being able to attack people hiding behind buildings and trees who thought they couldn't be seen.

Most games are susceptible to this kind of hack if the file format is known and they do not check the file integrity right before loading the texture files.

And who didn't use a macro program in UO? EZ-Macros was the hero of the day. Most of the time I was too lazy to macro though as I didn't really need uber high skills for the way I played the game. Afterall, what did you need 100 Magery for when "Magic Arrow" (basically a level 1 newbie spell) one shotted people wearing platemail (everyone).

UO breakin bugs, general macroing for skills...

Created a fishbot program and fishbotted the HELL out of FFXI for my personal gain and profit. All my friends had top of the line weapons and consumables. A Friend went on to single-handedly destroy ffxi's economy on almost all their servers by running code similar code only with 50 machines in his basement and sold to IGE. Payed off his mother's mortgage and is driving a nice car.

I don't generally cheat in single player games, or ever in FPS. Never had the guts to use the speed hacks in WoW.

Asshole.

Also, wtf, where the hell are you going to put 50 PCs? The juice to run them = lol

I hope his nice car gets an annoying, but not dangerous, flat tire.  :evil:

VMware, I believe.

I botted every tradeskill in UO after a little bit. When I went back a couple years ago after having sold my old account I had 2 craftsmen chars with full 120 skill on all the skills they had that could go so high and I only ever played them long enough to set up macros and give/take items from them (I lie, I liked to mine everynow and then on my miner. I do not know why). Also macroed every non-combat skill when I was sleeping. It is seriously the only way to "level" a char in UO. That shit was so tedious. Never got caught either, doubt many people do unless they afk macro somewhere silly.

Also cheated as an admin on a CS server, but only to catch cheaters out (wallhacks to find the juicy spots, then while watching suspected demos, etc).

I know I am late to this thread, but schild is correct.  Hopefully you are actually talking about Diablo, because it's even more sad if you are talking about Diablo II.  Diablo II was pretty fun for me until I cheated, then suddenly it had no appeal when I could just create shit in my invetory.

I have never cheated in an online game.  Too much work, aside from the ethical concerns that I take seriously.  I have cheated in SP games with varying levels of success, meaning sometimes it helped me with a troublesome area (Blaster Master, Morrowind) and other times I just lost interest (DII).

Is it fair enough to just say that I've never been caught cheating in a game?  :evil:

I think its fair enough to say that you think that you've never been caught cheating in a game.  :evil: :evil:

No, I was referring to Diablo. I had to kite the Butcher guy (first boss) because my toon didn't yet have enough power to take him toe-to-toe. No way I was simply going to grind for the first boss. Besides, SP Diablo was boring.

I beat Diablo II when it came out. Yawn.

Fair enough.  :-D I guess I should revise to say I've never been banned, suspended, or even verbally warned by a GM for cheating.

Considering the way GMs historicall ignore pleas to halt cheating, I am sure you were noticed but were in as much danger of being busted as a corrupt cop in Mexico City.

Oh god.  Don't you know all you had to do was use a projectile weapon (i always played an archer) and go behind a door with bars (which there was one very close at hand) and shut it between yourselves.  Even if there was another way around into the room, such as an unfinished wall, his AI would make him stand there and grunt at you through the bars and you just shoot away at him.   Ah, I loved Diablo.  Still do.  Playing number 2 now.

I've only cheated once in a game: I macro crafted a couple of toons in DAoC to legendary status.  I figured that crafting in that game put me to sleep anyway... crafting while I slept was nearly the same thing. /rimshot

I still feel guilty about it.  I doubt I'd ever do something like that in a game that I liked again.   

I cheated in the original NWN, but that's it.  I was young and cheating was ridiculously easy in NWN.  Good times.