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Title: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Evangolis on December 22, 2005, 06:58:39 AM
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Kilt-wearing teen seeks dress code change
Principle sparks debate after telling student to wear pants at school dance

JACKSON, Mo. - Nathan Warmack wanted to honor his heritage by wearing a Scottish kilt to his high school dance. Then a principal told him to change into a pair of pants.

What began with a few yards of tartan has sparked an international debate about freedom, symbols and cultural dress. More than 1,600 people have signed an Internet petition seeking an apology for the high school senior.

Scots in the United States are assembling a traditional ensemble they hope the student will wear to the prom, and his family is trying to change the school’s dress code policy.

“It’s a kilt. It’s going to turn heads, but I never believed it would have become what it is,” Warmack said.

Other schools around the country also have wrestled with the issue. A principal in Victoria, Texas, ordered two boys into “more appropriate” attire when they wore kilts to school in 1992, saying: “I know kilts. Those weren’t kilts and the boys aren’t Scots.”

In 1993, a student in Fayette County, Ga., was not allowed to enter his prom at McIntosh High School because he showed up in a kilt and refused to change clothes.

And while they weren’t trying to dress in kilts, a few boys were allowed to wear skirts to class at Franklin Community High School in Indiana in 1997, when a superintendent said different people express themselves in different ways.

Genealogy buff
Warmack, a defensive lineman on the football team, lives in Jackson, a growing, largely middle-class city of about 14,000 people about 110 miles from St. Louis.

He got interested in his family’s Scottish ties after seeing Mel Gibson’s 1995 movie “Braveheart,” about William Wallace’s battle to overthrow English rule in 13th century Scotland. Warmack reads books about Scotland and visits Web sites to learn more about his family’s genealogy.

He bought a kilt off the Internet to wear to his school’s formal “Silver Arrow” dance in November. Warmack said he showed it to a vice principal before the dance, who joked he’d better wear something underneath it, and Warmack assured him he would.

Warmack’s parents, Terry and Paula, helped him piece together the rest of his outfit, a white shirt and black tie with white socks and black boots.

“We knew it wasn’t the formal regalia,” his father said. “We wanted it to be acceptable for the occasion.”

After Nathan Warmack and his date posed for pictures, principal Rick McClard, who had not previously seen the kilt, told the student he had to go change. Warmack refused a few times and said the outfit was recognizing his heritage.

Warmack alleges McClard told him: “Well, this is my dance, and I’m not going to have students coming into it looking like clowns.” McClard later said he had no recollection of saying that, Warmack’s dad said. The principal did not return phone calls seeking comment.

'A direct insult'
The school district’s superintendent, Ron Anderson, said McClard has the authority under the district’s dress code policy to judge appropriate dress for extracurricular activities, including dances.

“It’s mainly to protect from the possibility of a disruption or something that could be viewed as a disruption,” Anderson said.

Several Scottish heritage organizations are angry, saying the kilt is a symbol of Scottish pride and considered formal dress.

“To say the traditional Scottish dress makes you look like a clown is a direct insult to people of Scottish heritage and those who live in Scotland,” said Tom Wilson, a Texas commissioner for the Clan Gunn Society of North American, a Scottish heritage organization.

Another Clan Gunn member, Beth Gardner, started an online petition seeking an apology for Warmack. It questions in part the notion that the kilt was a distraction.

“From what? From the intense concentration it takes to dance?”

Scottish groups are hoping they can help him to establish a formal Scottish ensemble that more fully reflects his heritage, including pieces that are being handmade for Warmack in Oklahoma, Georgia and Florida.

Warmack said he’s concerned that school officials are just waiting for the situation to blow over, and that the policy won’t be changed.

“This has picked up a lot of steam,” he said, “but it hasn’t really gotten anywhere.”

It's a lot funnier if you read it out loud in a bad Scottish accent.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Ironwood on December 22, 2005, 07:15:45 AM
Aye, I'll gie tha' a try.

As to the article itself, Meh.

Fuck those who claim Scottish heritage and don't put in the time to live in this rat-infested shithole.  Fuck kilts.  Fuck heritage.  But mostly fuck the school principle who sounds like the kind of assclown that ought to come over to any one of our Christmas nights or Hogmany celebrations and announce loudly that men in kilts look like 'clowns'.

You won't even find any fuckin pieces, you shitbag.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Kenrick on December 22, 2005, 07:19:12 AM
You're from Leith, aren't you.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Ironwood on December 22, 2005, 07:23:17 AM
Kilmarnock->Bishopbriggs->Moodiesburn.

I got shipped to Moodiesburn because I completed 3 tours of Bishopbriggs and was short eight days when I took the wound in the shoulder.


 :-o


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: schild on December 22, 2005, 07:23:59 AM
Kilmarnock->Bishopbriggs->Moodiesburn.

I got shipped to Moodiesburn because I completed 3 tours of Bishopbriggs and was short eight days when I took the wound in the shoulder.


 :-o


WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN? SPEAK ENGLISH.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Ironwood on December 22, 2005, 07:25:14 AM
The Irony.  I added the second sentence because I knew no-one would understand the first and I thought I'd add a giggle for the Americans.

Ah well.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: schild on December 22, 2005, 07:26:22 AM
The Irony.  I added the second sentence because I knew no-one would understand the first and I thought I'd add a giggle for the Americans.

Bob's your uncle.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: HaemishM on December 22, 2005, 09:06:53 AM
That goddamn Mel Gibson. The next big craze will be Americans wearing nails in their hands.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Ironwood on December 22, 2005, 09:10:15 AM
What I wanted to know is why no-one talks about Rob Roy.  It was a far superior film.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: HaemishM on December 22, 2005, 09:13:34 AM
What I wanted to know is why no-one talks about Rob Roy.  It was a far superior film.


Less impressive battle scenes, much more foppery because of Tim Robbins' character. And there really wasn't a happy ending.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Ironwood on December 22, 2005, 09:16:44 AM
Tim Robbins ??


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: HaemishM on December 22, 2005, 09:20:37 AM
Fuck me, I must be tired. Tim Roth. Goddamnit.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: WayAbvPar on December 22, 2005, 09:22:48 AM
Although I must say I would pay good money to see Tim Robbins get cut in half with a claymore.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Ironwood on December 22, 2005, 09:25:20 AM
Also, what the hell are we talking about :  Rob Roy had a happier ending than Braveheart.  Because of the whole 'living' thing.  You  know, the general lack of dismemberment and whatnot.

I think you are tired...


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Kenrick on December 22, 2005, 09:48:27 AM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/jwjones79/IM000389.jpg)

That's me on the left.   :-D

We were at loch ness, sitting in a recreated "highland hut."  I foolishly volunteered to play the role of "burly highlander husband" during the history lesson.  Yep.  Fear me.  Fucking sword weighs more than I do.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Merusk on December 22, 2005, 09:54:00 AM
I have a feeling the lad's not going to wear a real kilt, (as depicted above) but is trying to put-together one of those made-up bits of 17th century bullshit outfits.  You know, the man-skirts that folks claiming 'Scottish heritage' with no real research into it go parading about in while wearing knee-high socks with girly tassels.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: HaemishM on December 22, 2005, 11:33:31 AM
Also, what the hell are we talking about :  Rob Roy had a happier ending than Braveheart.  Because of the whole 'living' thing.  You  know, the general lack of dismemberment and whatnot.

I think you are tired...

Rob Roy had the sort of Hollywood happy ending, where the bad guy got killed and the good guy walked, but history did not reward the victor. Braveheart on the other hand had a great Christ messinaic type ending, where Wallace's sacrifice emboldened the Bruce to fight back and win Scotland's independence.

Plus it had spiffier battle scenes, though they were historically complete rubbish.

And at the time Mel Gibson > Liam Neeson for box office gold.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Strazos on December 22, 2005, 11:34:47 AM
Is that sword real, or a cheap reproduction?


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: DarkDryad on December 22, 2005, 11:38:43 AM
I have a feeling the lad's not going to wear a real kilt, (as depicted above) but is trying to put-together one of those made-up bits of 17th century bullshit outfits.  You know, the man-skirts that folks claiming 'Scottish heritage' with no real research into it go parading about in while wearing knee-high socks with girly tassels.

Theres a difference between authentic daily wear and modern formal kilts ya know.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Ironwood on December 22, 2005, 11:51:38 AM
Wallace's sacrifice emboldened the Bruce to fight back and win Scotland's independence.


hahahahahahaahahah.


*tears*

We only got that back the other week, dude.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: SurfD on December 22, 2005, 12:33:54 PM
That goddamn Mel Gibson. The next big craze will be Americans wearing nails in their hands.
Nope, they will be ripping each others still beating hearts out and offering them to ye ancient gods.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/touchstone/apocalypto/


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: HaemishM on December 22, 2005, 01:22:09 PM
Wallace's sacrifice emboldened the Bruce to fight back and win Scotland's independence.


hahahahahahaahahah.


*tears*

We only got that back the other week, dude.


Heh. Yeah, Braveheart was total shit for history, or historical accuracy. But it did have some damn fine cinematic moments. Which makes The Passion all the more galling.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Shockeye on December 22, 2005, 02:33:43 PM
Rob Roy was nothing but a cattle thief.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: WayAbvPar on December 22, 2005, 03:20:40 PM
And a tasty cocktail.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Paelos on December 22, 2005, 03:30:28 PM
And a tasty cocktail.

That's a damn lie. You wanna screw up scotch with vermouth, name it after someone crappy or gay.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Righ on December 22, 2005, 03:30:43 PM
Kilmarnock->Bishopbriggs->Moodiesburn.

I thought they'd closed Gartloch.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: WayAbvPar on December 22, 2005, 04:21:46 PM
And a tasty cocktail.

That's a damn lie. You wanna screw up scotch with vermouth, name it after someone crappy or gay.


Fair point. Addition of vermouth rarely improves anything. However, after the 4th or 5th Rob Roy, you won't taste them anyway, and can convince yourself that they ARE tasty.

No one ever drank a William Wallace. <Insert your own oral sex joke here>.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Strazos on December 22, 2005, 08:01:30 PM
You're not a man until you drink an entire bottle of Jose Cuervo.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Signe on December 22, 2005, 08:08:16 PM
If a girl kisses her own elbow, she becomes a man.



Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Sky on December 23, 2005, 06:55:50 AM
You're not a man until you drink an entire bottle of Jose Cuervo.
Last time I did that I found myself in a stolen camaro going full speed up the 110 at 4am so the guy driving could score coke.

So...yeah, not so much. Racing an rx7 light by light through hollywood was pretty cool though.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Signe on December 23, 2005, 07:06:14 AM
You really are a cotton-headed ninny-muggins, arent' you?


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Sky on December 23, 2005, 07:39:15 AM
Was....was. My life is much more boring now.


Title: Re: Scottish Rebels
Post by: Paelos on December 23, 2005, 02:43:24 PM
You're not a man until you drink an entire bottle of Jose Cuervo.
Last time I did that I found myself in a stolen camaro going full speed up the 110 at 4am so the guy driving could score coke.

So...yeah, not so much. Racing an rx7 light by light through hollywood was pretty cool though.

Hey, the airing of grievances thread is working already. Thanks Sky.