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Ok, so I started watching it a little while ago and I'm about halfway through. Body is deciding to fall asleep so I'm gonna restart it tomorrow. But let me just say that this movie is some fucked up shit. I liked Devil's Advocate a lot, but this is far better. It's a shame the critics tore it a new asshole for the most part as this is a very good entry into the horror genre and Laura Linney somehow doesn't hurt the movie.

A lot of critics called it an Exorcist ripoff when it came out in theatres. I disagree. Having seen the Exorcist (and the sequels and the recent prequel [though not the more recent prequel to the prequel - Dominion]) I have to say that this is nothing like the Exorcist and the critics are full of shit. Unless something drastically changes, I could recommend to anyone with interest in the whole uberniche genre of posession and courtroom drama. Though, admittedly, if you're into that - you've probably already seen this.

My friend was giving me his (negative) opinion about it the other day, but he usually has a negative opinion about everything. He also mentioned that it was more courtroom drama-ish than it was a horror (though I don't care either way, as long as it's good).

That being said, I never liked the original Exorcist or any religious thrillers for that matter.....Maybe a few of them for their comedic value, I guess, but I wouldn't put any of them on my top list of horror flicks.

Laura Linney's good though.

Believers typically don't like the Exorcist or things like it. Most people don't like things that disturb them to the core - subconcious or not. That said, yea - lots of courtroom drama. But it's taut and fast-paced tne the horror sequences are fucking great. I mean really, if John Grisham put this kind of shit in his books, he'd get another reader.

But it doesn't disturb me at all. Exorcisms don't work like they do in the movies, I can assure you. That's why I find it all funny.

The power of Christ doesn't compel them ?  Say it ain't so !

My exorcisms work that way.  I get them twice a week.  I got the discount plan.

And your assurance is based on being a former exorcist or possessed perhaps?

Xilren

My assurance is based on something too holy for dogs and swine. Demons are smart enough to submit to it in an instant. It's humans who are stupid enough to fight back.

I put this on my queue the other day, not really hearing much of shit about it from the critics. I figure it can't be as bad as House of the Dead.

Going to pretend I didn't read any of Stray's posts...

The movie was good but the timing of the switches between horror and courtroom meant I never really got all the way into either.  Everyone else I went with was not immpressed.  I enjoyed, but I dont watch movies anymore which has the benefit of making the few I do see seem much better.

Are you also pretending that you understood a single thing that I said? It would truly surprise me if you did understand, because I intentionally made it obscure.

So go ahead and pretend that you didn't read it. I didn't want you to understand it in the first place.

I will explain one thing though: I had no intention of discussing this except on a strictly cinematic level. It's you people that read too much into things. It's you that try to drag a subject into a hole. I said that I found religious thrillers to be funny, and the reply I get from Schild is that I probably didn't like them because I found them "disturbing".

My reply back: "Umm...No. I said that they were funny."

*shakes head*

Disturbed? I'm as disturbed as climatologists would be disturbed when they watch "A Day After Tomorrow".

Et tibi dabo claves regni caelorum et quodcumque ligaveris super terram erit ligatum in caelis et quodcumque solveris super terram erit solutum in caelis.

Which is to say, it's my job not to be disturbed...

Ego vado et quaeretis me et in peccato vestro moriemini quo ego vado vos non potestis venire.

Later, this place is impossible. A guy can't even talk about a movie without getting jumped on. Have your fun, I guess.

Psycho.  Forget your meds today?

You said you don't like any of them, with the exception of "a few for their comedic value".

Which could lead him to the impression that those which are so bad they're funny are the only ones you like, while the ones that handle the subject well you dislike for some other reason.

He wasn't jumping on you, he was coming to a reasonable conclusion.  Meanwhile, you've been treating this whole subject like you are the big secret "I'm In The Know" guy, sorta like the guy who watches a movie and says "The book was much better" or "You know I was reading up about rocket science, that wouldn't really work" or "There's no way a creature as large as a dragon could fly with wings like they had in that movie."

So it's really no surprise or wonder that Hoax decided to ignore your comments.  Whether or not the above is what you intended, it's how you came off.

About the actual movie:
The only review I read about it was Roger Ebert's, and he gave it a pretty positive analysis.  He said it never takes religion or exorcism as a given, instead asking the audience to decide what's happening- whether Emily is really demonically possessed or if she's exhibiting severe psychosis.  She dies during the exorcism, I believe this happens right at the beginning, and the real drama is trying to figure out if the priest's antiquated and potentially dangerous reinforcment of her psychological belief that she had a demon inside her is what did it, or if science really doesn't have all the answers, if she was actually possessed and it was through interference by the scientists in matters beyond their understanding that the exorcism was a failure and she died.

It sounded well done, and I would like it see it.

Rented it last night, and yep, it's good.

Stray is a douchebag.  That is all.

Apart from Connie Nielsen naked, what's good about Devil's Advocate?

That is a pretty big GOOD though.

I rather enjoyed the Devil's speech about why he hates God so much. The "Look, but don't touch.  Touch, but don't taste.  Taste, but don't swallow." and the "I'm the last Humanist" thing.

If you dont want to fucking talk about it, dont talk about it.  Remember in politics when I warned you not to become the Christian version of Triforcer pretending your a victim of the rest of our prejudices?  I have no idea what you are talking about, I ignored your posts because it sure sounded like some smug Jesus rhetoric being dragged into a movie thread for no particular reason.  I could have not posted that I was ignoring your posts, true but I dont pretend to be a good person.  So I left some bait out and you jumped on it, in the spirit of whatever pegan holiday xmas is actually based on I apologize for my underhanded tactics ok?

Now back to your scheduled thread already in progress...

Saturnalia, I believe. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia)  Of course, there's still a lot of debate about it.

And this thread isn't the place for that debate to occur.  So don't even think about it.

Woo, Exorcism!

I'm actually rather curious about this movie.  Will put it on my list.

Didn't the Devil's Advocate have Keanu in it?

Yes, Keanu was the main character and I believe it was Pacino that played the Devil.

Decent movie, although I had my internet nickname years before it came out.  :evil:

Yes, and Connie Nielsen was naked for a few seconds - I think that sums it up.
Also, it wasn't that good - especially the ending was weak.

That other  movie I will look up - I loved Christian based horror (allthough I'm an atheist)