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Title: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on October 25, 2005, 10:37:07 AM Ok guys, I know we have been over some of this ground before, but I was hoping some one could go over this for me in plain english. What is the difference between rear projection and plasma? The local Goodguys is going out of business and they ahve some great deals right now.
I have always been a huge fan of Sony, and I always lusted over the XBR, but after seeing the 50 inch plasma I really think it has better quality and WAY better picture of you are off center. Here are the TV I am considering: Sony XBR 70inch (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=KDF70XBR950&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=tv_hdtv_projectiontv_55%22to80%22) Open box buy at Circuit City for $4200, this one I would be able to get a warranty on. Sony 50inch SXRD (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=e8BB5_8ZMc5BMLxHEotL7LAV5AL9Pj-PxAE=?CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection_42to51TVs&ProductSKU=KDSR50XBR1&INT=sstyle-tv-catpfeature-KDSR50XBR1) for $3,100, at goodguys, story is going out of business, so if I had any problems, kind of screwed, but at 20% off, its hard to beat. This one, I think, 50 inch Sony Plasma (http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Code=SON+KDE50XS955) this one looked really good, but again, at Goodguys, so there would be a lacking of store warranty. It was $5500. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on October 25, 2005, 11:12:59 AM I wouldn't buy anything that high-end from someone going out of business. I rikey warranty.
As far as tv tech goes, whatever you like the best and best meets your needs is the right way to go. I got my DLP rptv because it was 1280x720, a standard resolution, and works great as a pc monitor. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on October 25, 2005, 12:07:27 PM I wouldn't buy anything that high-end from someone going out of business. I rikey warranty. I agree. But saving over $1000 is hard to pass up. Could some one explain the different in picture between Plasma and Rear Projection (lcd) to me? Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: OcellotJenkins on October 25, 2005, 12:45:21 PM Could some one explain the different in picture between Plasma and Rear Projection (lcd) to me? I highly recommend going to: http://avsforum.com/ It will inform you more than anyone here ever could. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on October 25, 2005, 12:59:10 PM Could some one explain the different in picture between Plasma and Rear Projection (lcd) to me? I highly recommend going to: http://avsforum.com/ It will inform you more than anyone here ever could. That place is good, but I always feel totally overwhelmed when I try and find general information there. I was hoping some informed people could give me a few generl tips on what to look for and such. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Merusk on October 25, 2005, 01:38:31 PM I wouldn't buy anything that high-end from someone going out of business. I rikey warranty. I agree. But saving over $1000 is hard to pass up. Could some one explain the different in picture between Plasma and Rear Projection (lcd) to me? It's a long-term thing, though. Suppose it fries within the next 9 months. Something I'm not sure happens often, but most BIG problems happen in the first 6 months or you're fine unil after 3-4 years in my TV experience. So if you happen to have a problem in that first period you didn't save 1 grand, you wasted 4. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Fargull on October 25, 2005, 01:43:58 PM Morphiend,
Only real info I have covers plasma, and that they suffer from color loss over time. Generally in the 2-3 year timeframe. DLP is nice, but your looking at bulb replacement unless I am missing something. Find out how much the bulb costs and see if you can get specs on how long the bulb should normally last. Also, listen to Merusk. You might be able to get warranty from the Manufacturer, but then you need to equate shipping and downtime costs. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on October 25, 2005, 01:52:11 PM Ok, I have been reading avsforum, and now im totally confused.
DLP, 1080i/1080p, LCD, rear projection LCD, burn in, burn out.... ugghhhhhhh. I want a pretty big TV like 50+ inches, that looks really good. I love the look of the Sony with the glass screan (60/70 inch XBR). I also love how the plasma doesnt lose picture when you move up or down or to the side. But also the Plasma is so much more expensive. Basically, I want to watch normal TV (non-hdtv) also hdtv, play my DVDs (I dont watch that many DVDs) and play my videogames. Xbox mostly, with some PS2 (xbox 360 and ps3) also, I want the ability to hook up my computer to the TV when I get around to it. HEEEEEELLLLLLPPPPPPPP!!!!! Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Azazel on October 25, 2005, 03:07:27 PM It's a long-term thing, though. Suppose it fries within the next 9 months. Something I'm not sure happens often, but most BIG problems happen in the first 6 months or you're fine unil after 3-4 years in my TV experience. So if you happen to have a problem in that first period you didn't save 1 grand, you wasted 4. Shouldn't he have at least a 1-year manufacturer's warranty on anything he buys anyway? Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Fargull on October 25, 2005, 06:42:25 PM Morphiend,
How about this 50" Plasma? (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/plasma_w5001c?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd) Cheaper than your $5500.00 and you can get a 4 Year warranty on it and still be less... Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on October 25, 2005, 08:24:28 PM Have you seen the 60" SXRD playing some 1080i programming?
That shit is hot. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on October 30, 2005, 02:03:59 PM Well, now im torn, Circuit City had a missprint in their add, so I could get the 60 inch SXRD for $3999, Thats $1000 cheaper than MSRP. I know this wont last long. I have to make up my mind if I want that now.
Arg. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on October 31, 2005, 07:03:14 PM Have you seen it?
BTW, that's only 500 bucks above cost, waaaay better deal than you'd ever get. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Raph on October 31, 2005, 08:31:06 PM I relied on my AV-savvy friends at work.
They said, "LCD has bad viewing angles." They said "Plasma burns in, and also the TVs die after a few years." They said "if you plan to play games, watch movies, watch TV, and want to hook a computer to it, get a DLP." Then they specifically said I should get the Samsung one. Yes, we work at Sony. So I did. No regrets. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on November 01, 2005, 08:25:45 PM Was this before this month when the SXRD came out?
Because that stuff is shithot. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on November 02, 2005, 03:09:30 PM I relied on my AV-savvy friends at work. They said, "LCD has bad viewing angles." They said "Plasma burns in, and also the TVs die after a few years." They said "if you plan to play games, watch movies, watch TV, and want to hook a computer to it, get a DLP." Then they specifically said I should get the Samsung one. Yes, we work at Sony. So I did. No regrets. I have done a bunch of research about Burn In, and plasma life. Burn in can happed, but with the current tech, its about the same chance of getting burn in on your Computer Monitor. As in you really have to push it to make it burn in. As to Plasma life, the current plasmas seem to have better life than RPTV and DLP. Excepting the fact you cant recharge them, the way you can RPTV or DLP. The current plasma life is 60,000 hours to half life. Thats not so bad. I am still torn. I went to get the SXRD, but CC had already issued a correction for it, and all the other stores that price matched had been notified. I am still considering a SXRD, or maybe a Panasonic 50inch plasma. There is a new plasma coming out soon the 5060 pioneer, thats supposed to be VERY good. But I think its going to be above my price range. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: OcellotJenkins on November 04, 2005, 08:40:25 AM I personally have seen NOTHING in any store that rivals Plasma in terms of picture quality, brightness, vividness of colors, and viewing angle. If you can find one that fits your budget, I believe you'll be very happy with it.
Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Murgos on November 04, 2005, 09:19:15 AM I have a 42" plasma. It just looks cool hanging on the wall. Considering that I only watch 1 - 2 hours of TV a week that's probably it's best use (looking good).
Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on November 04, 2005, 02:24:44 PM I went looking again today, this time with an eye for Plasmas. Your right, they seem to be pretty much unrivaled in picture and color. The only problem with plasmas seems to be that all SDTV (normal tv signal) looks like total shit on them, and I watch a decent amount of SD.
The Pioneer 5061 is calling out to me right now. There was a Pioneer Elite 60inch plasma that looks BEAUTIFUL, but wityh a $9,999 price tag, I just cant do it. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on November 05, 2005, 09:04:45 AM That's the biggest thing that kept me out of plasma...I wanted a BIG tv and I'm not rich. Also, if you plan to game on it (AND YOU DO!), make sure you check out the native resolution for gaming support. With powerstrip, you can get just about anything working with windows, but game support is spotty yet. Civ4 doesn't even support the standard res on my tv, 1280x720 (boo firaxis).
SD programming will probably look like shit on any nice set, GIGO. If I wasn't looking for a house, I'd be building a 7800 SLI rig and a 1080p DLP ;) Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Shockeye on November 05, 2005, 09:49:03 AM a 1080p DLP ;) Has 1080p DLP matured enough yet? Isn't it a pretty recent tech on the market? Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: schild on November 05, 2005, 09:51:10 AM For the amount of money it would cost for a 1080p projector instead of a 1080i native one, Sky could have bought a king's ransom in video games. That's not bleeding edge. It's silly.
Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on November 05, 2005, 02:05:28 PM For the amount of money it would cost for a 1080p projector instead of a 1080i native one, Sky could have bought a king's ransom in video games. That's not bleeding edge. It's silly. Did you even read what he wrote? Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on November 06, 2005, 12:40:49 AM Ok, so I went looking yet again, and ended up coming home with the Sony SXRD 60inch. I installed it today, and got all my stuff connected. I have my cable company coming on friday with a HD cable box, and I got a year of free HDcable plus installation for buying the TV.
I am not disapointed in the TV. I havent even calibrated it and it looks killer. I just got finished watching Sin City, and it was fantastic. The blacks where very deep and detailed, and wow, just wow. I am not impressed by the PS2's performance and look. I was playing the ney Tony Hawk, and it just wasnt smooth, also it felt like I had a little bit of lag from hitting a button to the action happening. This was almost a deal breaker for me. It was driving me crazy, I couldnt land a single trick. I went in the settings and found an option to optimize the tv for gaming. This seems to have taked away the lag. I will play around with it more tomorrow and see how it works. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: schild on November 06, 2005, 12:50:09 AM For the amount of money it would cost for a 1080p projector instead of a 1080i native one, Sky could have bought a king's ransom in video games. That's not bleeding edge. It's silly. Did you even read what he wrote? Yes, and the part about the house buying didn't figure in at all. I'm just saying "if" just like he was saying "if," but our reasons are different. If he weren't buying a house, a 1080p projector would still be a stupid purchase. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on November 06, 2005, 07:33:01 AM Quote Ok, so I went looking yet again, and ended up coming home with the Sony SXRD 60inch. WOOHOO! Welcome to teh crappy club for jerks!Quote I havent even calibrated it and it looks killer. Calibration isn't a big deal imo, unless you have a CRT with convergence issues. I did tweak my DLP, but it looked great out of the box. The only people who seem to care are uberhome theater folks. Nobody out of the dozens who have watched my tv have complained that it hasn't been professionally calibrated ($$).Quote I am not impressed by the PS2's performance and look Heh. At least you have good timing, the next gen consoles are all hd-compliant. Again, GIGO. No idea about that lag thing, maybe set-specific?Quote If he weren't buying a house, a 1080p projector would still be a stupid purchase. C'mon, man. You don't have to be contrary every time I post about hd :P I didn't say I'd go out today and buy one, any more than I'd put two 7800s in a pc today. How many games would that extra $600 for the gpu cost me? I don't buy games like you, my friend, I like higher quality out of the few I do buy, that's the way we roll around here, so to speak. To me, having the ability to display higher resolution pc images is worth a king's ransom in PS2 games.But around Q2 next year, I'd certainly pick up a 1080p rptv and a new pc with 7800 SLI to feed it. It's not silly, it's quality. If for nothing else than I could run motherfargin' Civ4 in a widescreen res. The price for a 1080p DLP will be about what my 720p set was listing for 2 years ago, nature of technology. And this time I can sell the 720p to defray the cost, though I'd probably set it up for a theater room since the DVD format is bound to 480 vertical. But unfortunately, it's a moot debate. I'm saving for a house. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on November 06, 2005, 10:31:51 AM Ok, so I went looking yet again, and ended up coming home with the Sony SXRD 60inch. I installed it today, and got all my stuff connected. I have my cable company coming on friday with a HD cable box, and I got a year of free HDcable plus installation for buying the TV. I am not disapointed in the TV. I havent even calibrated it and it looks killer. I just got finished watching Sin City, and it was fantastic. The blacks where very deep and detailed, and wow, just wow. I am not impressed by the PS2's performance and look. I was playing the ney Tony Hawk, and it just wasnt smooth, also it felt like I had a little bit of lag from hitting a button to the action happening. This was almost a deal breaker for me. It was driving me crazy, I couldnt land a single trick. I went in the settings and found an option to optimize the tv for gaming. This seems to have taked away the lag. I will play around with it more tomorrow and see how it works. Please let me know about the lag thingy. That TV is the one I want. Badly. Saving for it and the such. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on November 06, 2005, 05:57:54 PM Please let me know about the lag thingy. That TV is the one I want. Badly. Saving for it and the such. After switching my "Input 3" (the input my ps2 and xbox are on) to "game" setting, it seems to be working fine. No lag. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on November 07, 2005, 06:05:34 AM Is it fantastic?
Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on November 07, 2005, 12:54:49 PM Is it fantastic? Its pretty fucking sweet. Im getting my HD Cable installed on friday, so I will be able to say how much more sweet it is then. Watched Batman Begins last night and it was like being at the movies. Except I think I managed to blow one of the surround speakers, so now I have to take that back. Im not super impressed with the Tony Hawk graphics, but I think thats just the fact I am seeing PS2 graphics so big I can really see how crappy they are. Xbox looks amazing. I cant wait for Xbox 360. The only real problem I have is that now my living room seems a bit to small with the huge TV in it. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on November 07, 2005, 03:28:18 PM Sounds awesome dude, I'll probably pick one up to make my working at Bestbuy seem worth something. And then proceed to die happy.
The only real problem I have is that now my living room seems a bit to small with the huge TV in it. Ya, my room is small, but I don't care. Lalalalala. The people demand pictures! Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on November 08, 2005, 06:36:32 AM I freak landlords out. I'm in the market to rent a house while I'm looking for a house to buy. I've turned down no less than three places because the living room is too small for my tv. I break out the tape measure and they think I'm measuring for my entertainment center. "Nope, just the tv." Boggling ensues.
Hey, it's not like I have a boat or snowmobile or whatever, I don't get the boggle. It's actually a cheap hobby comparatively. But the inevitable boggle is amusing. I just like saying boggle, too. I used to kick ass at that game. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on November 08, 2005, 02:44:09 PM <3 Boggle.
Question for you Sky: I have a bud who just got a 27 HDTV 720p LCD. He wants to hook up his computer to it and BF2 never works. I know you got it working at the 720p resolution, any advice/drivers? Should I take this to PM's? Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on November 09, 2005, 06:20:10 AM Has he made a custom windows driver for his monitor yet? (http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=352932&highlight=powerstrip) Alternately, he can make sure the plug-n-play driver (ecch) is displaying all resolutions in display properties, by default it's only a couple 4:3 resolutions.
I don't think I've posted the luv lately. 61" Planetside. Not quite as big as a nice projector, but it cuts the mustard. (http://home.twcny.rr.com/iamthey/images/kahuna2.jpg) Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on November 09, 2005, 08:12:39 AM Ya, I'm in a bit of an impass there as well.
I can spend 4k on a kick ass TV and be happy. Or spend less and get a Front Projector. Don't have a house. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on November 09, 2005, 08:34:59 AM Pay close attention to resolution on projectors. When I was shopping, anything with a decent resolution was $$$. That was an important factor in my decision to go with rptv.
Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Pococurante on November 09, 2005, 12:48:24 PM I don't think I've posted the luv lately. 61" Planetside. Not quite as big as a nice projector, but it cuts the mustard. Sky can I borrow your time machine? There's some IBM stock I want to buy in 1929. Taking your super cool TV back six years in time was a dead giveaway - now hand it over... :-) Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on November 09, 2005, 01:17:54 PM November 2003 actually. Wasn't my camera ;)
Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: OcellotJenkins on November 11, 2005, 12:10:04 PM ... and I watch a decent amount of SD. You know it's funny, when I was researching my new TV, I envisioned myself continuing to watch a great deal of SD programming and only watching the occasional HD broadcast when something good was on. At that time Sky mentioned that virtually all he watched were HD channels and I just didn't see myself doing that. Low and behold, not two weeks after buying my plasma I found myself hooked on the HD channels and very very rarely watching SD. My local cable company (Knology, East TN) has the following in their HD package and I assume other larger cable providers are similiar if not better: NBC,ABC,CBS,FOX,HBOHD,ESPNHD,DiscoveryHD (BEST CHANNEL EVER), another sports HD, and another movie HD. With the exception of Daily Show, I pretty much never stray from the above channels. The clarity is highly addictive. The two football teams I watch, UT and Titans, are both shown regularly in HD and the prime time shit shows the wife watches are as well. I can't say enough good things about Discovery HD. This isn't the regular old Discover feed transmitted in high definition. Most of the shows are selected because the content is mind bogglingly beautiful. It really is flawless audio and video... the quality, in terms of what the human eyes can see, just can't really get any better in my opinion. It'll be interesting to see if Morphiend's experience is similar regarding SD/HD viewing. Congratulations by the way on finding a set you're happy with! Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on November 11, 2005, 12:23:30 PM OK, i am a bit in need of some setup advice. Right now every thing seems to be working fine, but once I get xbox 360, I am going to be one component input short.
the TV has 2 component inputs, 2 hdmi inputs, 2 s-video, and 2 rca. Now, the problem with this is that HDMI is video and sound, I only need video, due to having a Onkyo system (some of you might remember that thread). Right now I have the receiver and the cable box hooked up via component, so I can watch TV and DVDs (receiver is also my dvd player). the Xbox is S-video, and the PS2 is RCA. (Gamecube not hooked up yet). How should I add the Xbox 360 componect cables? Should I get a new receiver that has Component IN and OUT (right now mine only has component OUT) and have the xbox run through the receiver? (I dont really want to do this) I need some help. Should I get a higher quality receiver and have every thing run through that? It might make more sence. I have looked on avsforums, but I didnt find much help in this department. What do you think I should do? Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: OcellotJenkins on November 11, 2005, 12:33:44 PM I'd look into a HDMI/Component conversion cable or plug.
Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on November 11, 2005, 12:57:29 PM I'd look into a HDMI/Component conversion cable or plug. My cable box has DVI-out, I could get a dvi-hdmi cable, but my friend told me he did that, and he felt the signal was not as good. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on November 11, 2005, 05:03:06 PM I'd look into a HDMI/Component conversion cable or plug. My cable box has DVI-out, I could get a dvi-hdmi cable, but my friend told me he did that, and he felt the signal was not as good. That's weird. The digital signal over HDMI/DVI is much better than the component. If you don't mind running the xbox 360 sound through your tv, I"m pretty sure there is a HDMI plug for the 360 avaliable. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on November 11, 2005, 07:47:41 PM I'd look into a HDMI/Component conversion cable or plug. My cable box has DVI-out, I could get a dvi-hdmi cable, but my friend told me he did that, and he felt the signal was not as good. That's weird. The digital signal over HDMI/DVI is much better than the component. If you don't mind running the xbox 360 sound through your tv, I"m pretty sure there is a HDMI plug for the 360 avaliable. Turns out my cable company has a piece of shit cable box. Basically, there is a DVI-out on the back, but it is not guarenteed to work, and could mess with your analog channels if you have it connected that way. Also, they dont support it if any thing bad happens. The tech I talked to said its so bad, that on their newest models, if you pulg in the DVI, it has about a 30% chance of totally frying the cable box. He said it should be ready to use in 3 to 6 months. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: MrHat on November 11, 2005, 08:07:02 PM That sucks bad.
Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on November 14, 2005, 06:40:58 AM Bah, that's tech crap. Plug it in. They said mine was deactivated, so of course I plugged it in and it's fine. I only have one DVI, though, so I use it for the pc, cable looks good enough over component.
That bit about HDMI is exceedingly stupid. How many people have hdtvs and not surround sound? I had surround before I went hd, fer crissakes. I don't really have an answer for you, when I had my consoles hooked up, I used my receiver for switching (it's a pretty cheap unit that does the job nicely, a Panny HE100 or something). But if you were using component out of the 360 to an hdmi adapter...it wouldn't be passing sound anyway, you'd still have the audio seperate. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Morfiend on November 16, 2005, 02:19:19 PM After a weekend of having HD TV. Wow. This TV is simply amazing. Watched Sin City (again) and Batman Begins, great stuff. Sin City blew my mind. I honestly didnt think TV could look that good.
Also, watching ROME in HD was really a thing of love. The In-HD channels are great, except they play some wierd shit. I found myself watching some eating contest, just cause it was HD. I havent tried to plug in my computer, but I think Warcraft in 60inch would be wonderful. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on November 17, 2005, 06:21:22 AM Behold the power of the Dark Side!
Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: naum on November 17, 2005, 08:03:44 AM After a weekend of having HD TV. Wow. This TV is simply amazing. Watched Sin City (again) and Batman Begins, great stuff. Sin City blew my mind. I honestly didnt think TV could look that good. Also, watching ROME in HD was really a thing of love. The In-HD channels are great, except they play some wierd shit. I found myself watching some eating contest, just cause it was HD. At first, it sure seemed like a lot of extra money (with the HD package and outlay for new HD receiver) for not that many channels, but watching NFL & NHL in HD is incredible. People that say it isn't that big a deal change their mind when I click back and forth between SD & HD broadcast feed. I too, find myself confining my viewing (I don't watch much TV anyway), to the HD channels or local channels over the air HD broadcast. The PBS affiliate here has 3 HD feeds, and I've been watching a bit of PBS along with the sports & Discovery HD. Can anyone recommend an indoor HD antenna — I'm using an older antenna that seems to work alright, except for one or two channels — or is there any real difference between a standard VHF/UHF antenna and one that has "HD" (or "HD" compatible) stamped on it? Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on November 17, 2005, 08:50:32 AM I just saw Derek Trucks on sunday. I was 10th row. My eyesight isn't great, but I picked up some fingerings and style points.
But when he was on the jammies, I was able to play along and directly see the exact fingerings, rewind and freeze them, even (thanks, dvr). HDNet is a big supporter of music, if you don't have it, call your cableco (they also have HDNet Movies which plays a lot of 60s/70s flicks, both are Mark Cuban owned iirc). I fall in love with my tv setup all the time, it just keeps on being great. That's why it's hard for me to NOT gush and appear to be some kind of zealot around here. My girlfriend hasn't had the amount of cable options I have, so she watches a ton of the SD channels, it's nice to actually get more usage out of them now. She laughed that I'd scan the HD channels and then say nothing's on. Now she scans the whole spectrum before she declares that. Naum: no idea, I don't know why it would technically be any different...but you need an HD receiver to plug the antenna into, iirc. Which would be the only reason to buy a tv with an internal receiver imo, since cable/satellite bundles it in their STBs. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: naum on November 17, 2005, 12:58:16 PM Naum: no idea, I don't know why it would technically be any different...but you need an HD receiver to plug the antenna into, iirc. Which would be the only reason to buy a tv with an internal receiver imo, since cable/satellite bundles it in their STBs. It (HD antenna) was an add-on that I didn't pay for (figured I spent enough money)… …old antenna seems to work fine though a couple of the channels sometimes break up unless I jiggle the rabit ears… Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Bunk on November 17, 2005, 03:48:52 PM *blinks*
antenna? Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Viin on November 18, 2005, 11:17:55 AM If you don't want to pay for cable HD channels you can pick up an HD antenna to get your local stations in HD over the airwaves. You'd be best off with a roof mounted one, otherwise your pic quality won't be that great.
Or just fork over the money to get the HD versions via sat or cable. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: OcellotJenkins on November 18, 2005, 12:08:06 PM I was told that those big ass existing antenna's on many houses work perfectly for HD.
Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: naum on November 18, 2005, 01:49:12 PM If you don't want to pay for cable HD channels you can pick up an HD antenna to get your local stations in HD over the airwaves. You'd be best off with a roof mounted one, otherwise your pic quality won't be that great. Or just fork over the money to get the HD versions via sat or cable. Local channels via HD not an option, at least in my case — DirecTV would have installed an antenna for that but I'm using an old indoor antenna I dredged up — for most cases, works just fine, except late night/early morning for a channel or two — and with HD TV over the air broadcast work a little differently than SD where you have ghosting and stuff, on HD if you don't have good signal, pixels start breaking up and video freezes. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Shockeye on December 08, 2005, 05:21:30 AM Quote from: Technology Liberation Front Video Placebo: Is that Really HDTV You Are Watching? (http://www.techliberation.com/archives/027416.php) News of the video bizarre: According to a just-released survey (http://webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?SESSIONID=&aId=6521) by Scientific-Atlanta, millions of people who have HDTV sets apparently think they are watching high definition television, but aren’t. The survey was spurred by an earlier Forrester Research projection that by the end of the year some 16 million U.S. households will have HDTV sets, but only seven million wll have HDTV reception. The Scientific Atlanta survey found that, yes, some 49 percent of households were not taking advantage of their HD equipment. About a quarter found that their HD set itself provided better reception, without taking the additional steps necessary to view HD. Eighteen percent said they didn’t even know needed additional equipment, such as a set-top box or antenna. A quarter admitted they thought they were watching HD video because, after all, the programs said at the beginning that they were broadcast in HDTV. The survey confirms the long-standing prejudice of many of us non-videophiles that HDTV really isn’t all that impressive. Still, it is milding shocking that so many people plunk down money for an HD set, but never catch on that it isn’t actually turned on. This could open up a slew of innovative policy options for the digital transition. Perhaps, instead of actually allocating spectrum to HDTV broadcasts, the FCC could just say it has done so, saving the spectrum for more valued uses. And instead of requiring HD tuners on sets, the FCC could just require a sticker saying the set has an HD tuner. The possibilities are endless. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Sky on December 08, 2005, 06:32:51 AM If you're not impressed by Discovery HD, you're...I dunno. Something insultingly negative.
And HD football...holy shit man. Night and day over SD 4:3. People are stupid. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: naum on December 08, 2005, 07:29:01 AM If you're not impressed by Discovery HD, you're...I dunno. Something insultingly negative. And HD football...holy shit man. Night and day over SD 4:3. Absolutely. I get sad when my Steelers arn't broadcast on HDTV (not all the games, and especially CBS is lackluster in this regard, for AFC games). And they (DirecTV) made me upgrade my Sunday Ticket package to SuperFan to get the HD games. I get local channels via satellite (now mainly for other rooms in the house), but when I show visitors a click-by-click before/after of SD vs. HDTV, they are wowed easily, as it's quite discrenible. While it may not be on a scale of color TV eclipsing black & white, it's one of them things that once you see, regular old TV just seems inadquate. In fact, I am surprised that the major networks which all now broadcast a good bit of their shows in HD arn't trumpeting this facet louder. I get charged another 5-10$ a month for like 8 HD channels and the right to pay more for HBO/Showtime/updgraded NFL package offerings, but all you really need is a HD receiver and an antenna. PBS affiliate in my market (Phoenix) offers multiple feeds, and a separate HD content only that > Discover HD IMV. Title: Re: Plasma Vs Projection... Help Post by: Viin on December 08, 2005, 10:04:58 AM I think a lot of folks who aren't technical just don't know how it works and how to switch between them. I mean, you'd expect you could just plug it in and 'voi la' there it is. Also, I don't think the TVs help much because they often don't tell you what kind of signal you are getting, so unless it said otherwise why would you think your HD TV wasn't showing stuff in HD?
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