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I need to vent here.

So, I've just bought a house.
Neither the wife or me are great DIY-people, so we bought a house that was basically ready to move into. It just needed a good cleaning and some fresh paint. Turns out the two people we bought it from were smokers and had smoked it up in that house for 20 years.
Fucking filthy nasty disgiusting cockmunchin' habit. The walls and ceiling was goddammed yellow. I washed the fucking ceiling in the kitchen three times and the water turned a filthy blackish yellow.
Dripping bicotine laced water into youir eyes? Don't. you'll wish you'd just spilled acid in your eyes instead.
It took me and my father inlaw a week of 12 hour days to turn this small house into something fit to live in.

Now we just have one day to pack up the old apartment before the movers arrive. Which should be enough if it wasn't for the fact that my youngest daughter (and my wife with her) just got admitted to the hospital for bloodtests and whatnot because she's ill and nobody can tell what's the matter. Now I can't blame that on the smokers of the world... but I wish I could, I need someone to hate for this.

Caveat emptor?  Do not blame us second class citizens for your stupidity.  Any inspector would have been able to catch the flaw in your new home before you bought it.  Sounds to me like you are upset due to family issues and want to take it out on me and my little friend.

Shit Hanzii, hope your wife and daughter are OK.  Make sure you mention the house and your washing of it if you haven't already, they might be more sensitive to nicotine than the rest of your family.  (And even if they weren't there, there's still the clothes you washed the place in that you took home.)

As to your walls and ceiling.  Did you wash them with just soap & water, or did you use something else?  Nicotine is nasty stuff and doesn't go away easily after it's stained.  I've known people to do a double coat of paint and the yellow still seeps through. Do it yourself's site (http://doityourself.com/clean/nicotinestainswall.htm) has a good advice on cleaning and painting.

I hope everything works out good for you.

Cheddar - no need to be a dick.

Rofl

Try using TSP (Tri-sodium Phosphate) on the walls and ceilings. Makes cleaning up after smokers much easier.

Bathrooms with the gloss paint are the most disguisting.

I hope the family is better soon, Hanzii.  Good luck with the new house, too.  I gave up smoking 6 months ago and haven't cheated once.  I still crave them all the time... it's the hardest thing to give up... ever.  Every so often,  I still find places in our flat that were affected by smoking.  I guess the bright side is that as much of it used to end up in my lungs as in my carpets (which, at least, can be professionally cleaned).

Anyway... don't be too harsh on Cheddar... I think he's trying to give up smoking!  Not everyone can maintain their sweet nature when they're attempting to break a nicotine addiction, like me.   :-)

What disgusts me most about so many smokers is not that they smoke.

It's that they feel free to toss the butts anywhere.  Pretty much the ultimate proof of arrested development.  I can drive down the road and see no litter except the thousands of butts everywhere.  They cause no end of grass fires that my tax dollars pay to cope with.

I took my family up to a park for family pictures.  The prettiest setting was a ornate Victorian-style bench surrounded by gorgeous trees and blooming flowers.  But the smelly carpet of butts around the bench literally raised by gorge.

There's something tacky/juvenile about addicted smokers.  I can't tell the fourteen from the forty year olds.

Dangerous ground.  Posters on f13 are in no position to speak against addictions  8-)

Or my pet peeve... memo to smokers:  even though the entire beach is made of sand, it is NOT your fucking personal ash tray!

Your FACE is my fucking ashtray, scrotum breath!

oops... sorry.  Sometimes I forget I don't smoke anymore.  I absolutely agree with you.

My wife is an ex-smoker (recovering smoker?  I've caught her sneaking a butt once in a while...like alcoholism, do you ever really get over it?)  but a lot of her friends still smoke.  It makes me cranky when they litter all over my lawn but it really grinds my gears when I catch one doing something like stubbing out a smoke on my friggin' house.  Spots on my porch now need re-painting from that; thanks, idjits.

Regarding cleaning, my mother-in-law smoked indoors for decades.  It never showed on the walls (thanks, ugly wood paneling for being useful for *something*) but the ceiling.....

All I can say is, at least it wasn't cats.  The only solution for a house that's turned into cat-piss-hell is to tear out the flooring and possibly the sheetrock at the bottom of the walls and start over.

Heh I'll cop to that.  But my addiction is safely isolated in a dim corner of my house where even that cat fears to tread.

Ha!  Amen, brother.

Fixed for impartiality and realism. I personally don't care if you smoke or not, you're all cunts.

Signe are you going to stand for that!!

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Okay, first of all, it is not nicotine that stains, it's the tar from the smoke. Second of all, not all smokers do so indoors. Thirdly, go to France sometime and quit being a pussy. And some smokers, like myself, are actually conscientious of other humans - I never litter butts (I can count the times on one hand that I've done it in the last ten years), and if I'm sitting outside at a cafe or bus stop I ALWAYS ask the other person if they mind if I smoke. And then I stand/sit downwind of them. Smoking is bad for you, yes, but I'm so sick of us smokers being treated like second-class citizens. And by the way, active smokers are still healthier than sedentary non-smokers.

Use Simple Green to get the stains off your walls. It's non-toxic and biodegradable, smells kinda minty and can be diluted to extend the bottle. When I quit smoking a few years ago I had to spend a day cleaning the walls/curtains/furniture and it worked great. Also, if you're concerned about residual nasties in the air, you can get a decent HEPA filter for about $30. Your wife and kid might be sick from the cleaning products you used (indoor air pollution is the leading cause of asthma in Americans). Get a few houseplants. NASA has been conducting experiments on the air-purifying effects of several species for decades, with remarkable results. Good ones to start with: Boston fern, dragon-tree (Dracaena v. "Janet Craig"), peace lily (Spathyphyllum sp.) and golden pothos (that heart-shaped leaf plant with yellow spot on it). These are all very cheap and can be purchased at most grocery stores' floral depts. Good luck.

Do your wife and kid feel headachy and woozy, a little nauseous or having a hard time breathing while in the house, but feel better when they're outside? If so, it's called "sick building syndrome". I know it sounds like cheesy bullshit, but it's true. In the 1970s when the US was in an energy crisis, all new building were constructed to be air-tight to minimize heating/cooling costs. People started getting sick with these kind of symptoms that cleared up when they left the office. The American Lung Association has a whole page about it (http://www.lungusa.org/site/apps/s/content.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=34706&ct=384025). Here's another page about indoor air quality that might be helpful (http://www.lungusa.org/site/apps/s/content.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=34706&ct=142852).

I agree with Voodoo.  I never litter butts on ground.  Ironically people always go "EwwwW" when I pull them out of my pocket or whatnot and deposit them into a trash receptacle.  Guess there is not winning.  My main point was why would you invest in something, but not do the proper thing, such as have a professional inspect it?  That just seems ignorant.  Good luck though, there is no hate in my heart.

I'm just waiting for one person to talk shit to my face.

I shouldnt comment, the go out my house window, my car window. I don't smoke inside. The lawn mower eats them like candy. I should get an ashtray for my car.

Whenever I ask someone if they mind if I smoke, they're always so taken aback at my consideration that they say "no, I don't mind" and then they fucking thank me for being decent enough to ask.

It took me ten years to quit smoking cigarettes, finally quit when I was too broke to buy more, and too hungover and pissed off at the world to be social enough to beg or borrow to get more.  Been clear of that habit for 23 years, mostly over the effects. When I was younger, I was never considerate of anybody else anyway, so I wasn't considerate of how my smoking hurt other people or the world around me.

Been cleaning out my mom's house the last few months, and I'm sure smoke residue is one of many things that give me rashes and coughs if I spend more than a day or so digging into closets.  Her death was pretty much suicide by cigarettes, kept smoking no matter what we or her doctors said, until she stroked out.

Those utter bastards! They should glare at you and get back to talking on their cellphones like everybody else.

Wow. You're old.  :evil:

I'll quit for good when I decide to become preggers.

Good, because cigarettes can stunt the growth of your baby.  Here's proof:

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Hehee! Except that my mom smoked when she was pregnant with me and I was still nearly 9 pounds. And 3 weeks overdue. See? I was born to smoke! I never wanted to become a smoker, but the first drag I ever took (after living with two parents who smoked two packs a day EACH in our tiny apartment) I was hooked.

Sadly, I really enjoy smoking. I should move to China.

I was pretty much hooked as soon as I started, and spent most of my smoking life trying to quit.  Worst part of it was, I never actually liked cigarettes, unlike most of my other addictions and bad habits.

I experimented with cigarettes briefly in high school, but quit cold turkey once I noticed that I was jonesing for nicotine more and more as time went on.  I still crave the damn things whenever someone lights up near me.   :x

Individual smokers don't bother me.

Two of my best friends are smokers, I don't mind sitting in the smoking section of a restaurant and having them light up while I'm eating.  Doesn't bother me.  I, however, have never smoked.

But there's only so much one can take.  I can't go to coffee bars at night, even though my smoking friends love those fucking places.  But my eyes begin to sting after about 15 seconds hanging out within The Cloud.  And if the smoke is hurting my eyes, I'm not too enthused to be breathing it.

It's nice that you ask, voodoo, though personally if I'm sitting in a section that's available for smoking I feel I've forfeited any right to bitch when someone starts smoking.  But I guess most people have a greater sense of entitlement than me.

I remember one time my friend, girlfriend and I went to this pizza place we'd visited a bunch of times (since it was near our college and we all had a couple hours before the next class- in which we were all students).  Every single table had an ashtray on it.  The lady who ran the place would frequently smoke behind the counter.  It was very obviously a smoking-friendly place (but I wasn't bothered, because it was usually empty, so there was no Cloud).  So it was just us three and one lone guy sitting several tables over.  My friend lights a cigarette, and about two minutes later the guy comes up and asks him to put it out, because it's a restaurant and he's not allowed to smoke in restaurants.  My friend first points at the ashtray and says "Why is there one of these on every table, then?" and then points at the restaurant owner, who is sitting behind the counter and smoking, and says "You better tell her there's no smoking, too."

It's possible the guy was just that oblivious.  But I still reserve the right to make fun of someone for being that oblivious.

I don't mind much if people smoke, especially in bars. Smoking is prohibited in my house, I don't like the smell in the furniture.

But to paint yourself as a 'normal' smoker, Lilly, is kind of a stretch. I know a lot more 'bad' smokers (butts on ground, ashes where they fly) than conscientious smokers, you are in the minority. A happy minority, but nonetheless you should understand from whence teh h8 stems.

Personally, I gave up after a few cigs. Got pinhole burns in a couple of my favorite OP shirts or something. It was easy, especially when you have pot to compare it to: there's no comparison imo.

Oh, yes, I tolerate smoking just fine, but you are not lighting up in my house or in my car.  Either go in the back yard or in the garage.

  There's states that allow smoking in bars and restaurants still?  Been outlawed for a year here, unless you're at a casino, private club, or "cigar bar", which I've never actually seen in this state.

  Lovely that we also live in the northeast, so you can huddle outside the entrance to the bar and smoke in a foot of snow.

What's up with the huge majority of car smokers just throwing butts out the window.

Inconsiderate a-holes. Normal littering is pretty well stigmatized in Texas. Most people would feel very uncomfortable throwing a food wrapper out of a car window. Littering is wrong and blight on all the shared spaces in a community.

But smokers...typically oblivious and destructive. I would like to see an enforcement drive with $150+ tickets for smokers who litter.

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It's not just smokers.

Hey, once it's out of the window, it's in the PAST, no longer exists...it's GONE!

I hate people.

It's still legal, state-wide, in Arizona.  They're working on changing that.  Some cities don't allow it.

But you know if Ireland already fell, there's really no hope that we'll resist it.

In Oregon, if you throw a cigarette butt out of a car window on the highway you get a $500 ticket.

WHat does this   :nda: mean? I don't know what NDA stands for.

If anyone's got a right to complain about smoking, I figure I'm it--I'm quite allergic to it and it sets my asthma a-flyin'.  However, I really don't give a shit about people smoking; hell, I even married a smoker.

What pisses me off is the mess--ashes everywhere, tiny little burns in the furniture, dingy walls and drapes, littered butts, and dear God, the STENCH of an overflowing ashtray (or a person that smells like one).  Clean up after yourselves, smokers--and for the sweet love of whatever's holy wear clean clothes, take a damn shower and brush your fucking teeth.

That last one goes for you coffee drinkers, too...

No Dancing Allowed, innit?   Or maybe Non Disclosure Agreement... I forget.

Anyway... for some reason, this thread is starting to make me irrationally angry.  I don't know why, but the feeling started with Toast's post.  At this moment, I hate him IRL way more than I should.  I'm sorry, Toast!    :-(

I hate Signes new avatar.  I mean I like it, but compared to the old one I hate it.  The other one made me warm in the belly.

You bought a house owned by smokers without a good air puriifier. There isn't a violin small enough for that situation.

Normally I'd post a big picture of Nelson. But that's too cliche. Mayhaps I'll pour a 40 out on a cigar ashtray. Or something.

Belly?

I won't go in to another of my long rants against smoking - suffice to say that I grew up with my mom puffing 2 packs a day in to my face. You are in the minority in your level of consideration Lilly, but it's nice to know that some of you are thoughtfull.

NDA: Non-Disclsure Agreement. Usually in reference to a beta test of software when it comes up around here. Means you can't tell everyone else how shitty the game you are testing is.

Oh and by the way lilly, why does the kitty in your avatar look like it was hit in the face with a frying pan?

I already told her.  What the hell's wrong with you?

Dammit.

I need a nap.

First me with the CoV box including a free month and now this.  Jesus.  No wonder you're so angry at everything.

That's exactly why I never picked up the habit.  Sure I'd be twisting a bomber but it was fun.  Hell coke made more sense to me than tobacco - if one's going to be physically and emotionally dependent at least have fun doing it.  (no I was never a coke addict :P )

On top of that something my grandfather the tobacco grower told me when I was kneehigh stuck with me for years.  He never touched commercial tobacco - said it was not tobacco.  Since he and his fellow growers smoked well into their nineties and didn't die of cancer I figured he may have been on to something.

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I'm surprised I got the hate from Signe. "People who throw burning crap sticks out of car windows multiple times a day" seems like a pretty despicable group.

If I were a judge, cigarette butt litter offenders would be sentenced to 40 hours of community service...picking up butts on the side of the road.

Ah, but you didn't define it now did you?

I see that and raise you
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Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

I don't even know who that bottom person is... or what gender. 

PS  I'm sure this is a temporary hate thing... this thread has me craving a smoke and I'm all out of anything remotely herbal.  I might have stopped smoking six months ago but my brain still thinks I need it.  I said it before and I really believe it... nicotine is the most addictive substance in the universe.  I bet it's even more addictive than heroin and, possibly, chocolate.  And shoes!  I'd give up shoes for a ciggie!

That's Rick James, bitch!!

*Sorry, had to say it.

Surely not... it must be his dear old mum! 

I've always been a cheap bastard, hanging on tightly to my cash. So luckly I've never bought a pack of cigarettes. I don't care if other smokes that much, but I find parents smoking selfish.

Luckily, I've never had the urge to smoke my parents.

Welcome to science. ;)  That's quite true.  Heroin/derivative addicts can kick those drugs but not commercial tobacco.  Though the reason is less biological - tobacco is legally performed and "acceptable".  Like any habit the only real solution is changing friends/lifestyles.

So most don't.

And often friends/families/spouses are the worst enemy.

/shrug

Keeps the population down.

Righ stopped smoking months before I did and hasn't picked up a cigarette since and doesn't seem to even think about it.  My sister quit recently, too.  The only people left in my family who smoke are my dad, Righ's mum and my nephew... none of which I see very often at all.  My friends don't count since I don't have any.  Well, at least not on this side of the pond.  It should be easier, shouldn't it?

WTF happened to Hanzii?  He started this mess and then totally disappears.  God, I hate him so much.

Quit smoking a few years ago. Theese days I'm a happy abuser of snus ( swedish snuff ), the tobacco habit that won't fuck with your friends lungs ( or your own ) and keep your house less yellow and without stink. Yay.

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Copenhagen, what a wad of flavor
Copenhagen, you can see it in my smile
Copenhagen, hey do yourself a favor, dip
Copenhagen, it drives the cowgirls wild

Saw him in Bass Hall earlier this year - he puts on a great show.  The unexpected cameo by Lyle was most cool.

Bass Hall as in UT Bass Concert Hall?

When I helped out with freshman orientation at college, we had a comedy skit we did called "Cookin' with Copenhagen". A couple people would be at the front of the room would act like they were doing a cooking show, except an important ingredient of every dish was a big wad of Copenhagen. The cooks would open fresh cans in front of the freshman so they could smell it and knows it real. Then they'd take a big bite of a Ham and Cope Sandwich. As the show went on, they'd start to get sicker and sicker until they'd have to cut the show short to go puke from eating the Cope.

The key part was that the cans were rigged. Take an unopened can, carefully cut out the bottom, pull out most of the Copenhagen leaving the outer edge and the top layer in, fill it with crushed Oreos, then carefully seal the bottom back up. When you open the can, all the freshman see and smell is the top layer. When your partner has the audience's attention, carefully push the top layer to one side and put the Oreos on your food. Then act like a redneck who's about to puke.

Of course its even funnier when they realize they accidentally have the real cans of Copenhagen, but still go through with the skit.

Probably the Bass Hall in Fort Worth.

Not unless they moved it to downtown Ft. Worth. ;)

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I googled "ugliest dog", thinking I'd like to use this:

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But then I saw this lil' guy and fell in love. Poor thing. A face only a mother could love.

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Ahh okay... see I try to avoid anything and everything even remotely related to the 50-mile radius around Dallas.

Please tell me those animals' eyes have been photoshopped in.

They are both rea critters. The dog has glaucoma, and the kitty is a Persian (they always look fucked-up anyway), I imagine the eyes just opened. I hope. Poor thing.

my girlfriend took a very needed week off this week, and spent 2.5 days on a stepladder washing her mother's ceiling, thick with smoke from 2 people for >15 years.  I can relate all too well.  Insurance premiums should be higher for smokers, period.

How dare you suggest people take responsibility for their actions.

You commie fascist.

I would like to add if you were planning on painting a interior house using a primer like Kilz will go a long way in helping seal in what you didn't clean up.  Kilz is used to cover up mold damaged walls and I have found it works pretty good on tar stained walls.  Good stuff, stinks to high heaven so make sure you open the place up and let it air out but I tell you what it works great.  Also might want to consider getting the carpets professionally cleaned before you move in.  If the carpets are more than 10 years old it would scare you to death to look under them.  Also if its central air consider hiring a professional cleaner to clean the vents out. You would be suprised at the shit that piles up in them.  Other than that congrates on the new house!

They are. Also for overweight people, regardless of what their muscle mass-to-fat ratio is.

As a smoker, what I don't get is how they handle us at sporting events.  I understand and accept being segrigated to smoke only in certain areas, but there are never any ashtrays there.

Every time I stomp out a cig at a Bears game I feel like I am spitting on the grave of Poppa Halas.  though I do pick them up and put in the garbage unless they are loosing by 30 or something.

Please give us a chance not to be rude and disgusting.

That's the one part I really miss about being a smoker. Thank god for beer, eh?

The entire point of being "a smoker" is to trot out the inner dysfunctional 14 year old.

Or demonstrate dependency.

Anyone over 14 crying out for help needs to find a fucking therapist.

Trotting out my inner 14 year old myself. I admit it.

My inner 14 year old doesn't cry out though. My inner 14 year old just simply doesn't give a fuck (but I AM polite enough to put my butts in a trashcan).

[edit] P.S. Rimbaud is not "crying" in my avatar. He's laughing.

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I could have lived a happy life not seeing that.

Artistes are not like you and I.

Judging by the picture, he's a piste artiste.

I'm just going to chime in here and say I smoke.  I smoke, and I smoke in front of places where signs specifically are posted telling me I can't smoke there.  I throw all my jacks out the window when I've had my way with them, and sometimes I laugh about it.  Plus, I make sure to spit, and really clear the back of my throat out to get the last bits of phlegm.  Even if there are ashtrays around, I flick that shit onto the ground, or in a bush.  I like to see how far I can flick them.


I guess I'm just an asshole.

No you are a 22 year old college student.  Eventually you will flunk out of law school, and then life will begin to beat you down.  Then we may start to like you.

Die in a smouldering cigarette-started fire!  (house fire or brush fire; your choice)

I saw an episode of MythBusters where they debunked the movie tradition of the villain flicking jacks into a pool of gasoline.  They tried everything to get those damn cigarettes to ignite the gas, and the gas just wouldn't have it. 

Since then, I've pretty much lost my fear of starting a fire with a haphazardly thrown cig.  I mean, if puffing the fuck out of a cig right before you throw the blazing cherry into a pool of gasoline doesn't start fires, then what will? 

OK, good troll.  You got me.

Because nobody could seriously believe that since an ember won't ignite a puddle of gasoline that's good enough for them not to worry about setting their bedding or the tinder by the roadside ablaze.  Nooo, nobody's THAT stupid.   :roll:

It really was too obvious to reply to.  I actually looked up a couple fact and figures, did a quote/reply, and then realized.  With WUA leaving... it was like fate. 

Its the damndest thing.

This isn't Fire Prevention Week. Fuck this particular line of debate. It's silly.

We like to smoke. THAT IS FUCKING ALL.

I'm just fucking around for fuck's sake. No need to get grumpy and break out the factual information.

In light of explanation I will state that I agree.


Edit.  Content.

---Originally posted due to lack of comprehension on my part-------
Excuse me Stray?  I drink, smoke, whore, and urinate in public.  Have you ever read anything that I post?  My response was not HUR HUR SMOKE BAD CARROTS GOOD.  It was an observation in common sense.  Do not be pissed at us just because your mama san is trying to hook you up with green card wanting trash.

Err...I was replying to MrPeach (and ALL who blame me for forest fires). My bad, should've quoted.

You're all dinks.

And you're Canadien!

Err...What's a dink anyways?

Is that Canadien too?!

Double income, no kids.

Oh...

And I suppose that's a big concern for non smokers then?


Seriously though, the reason why I laugh at anyone who protests "my" smoking is because they're fucking busybodies. Nothing more. There are no "issues" that apply to me at least.

If I don't litter out the window as I drive under the influence, then how will prison inmates earn cigarette money?  Inconsiderate smoking is the circle of life.

Dusematic is very wise.  I bet he's cute, too.

I'm a fool, quite the freak....And smell of cigarettes.

SIGNE. Signe. Signe. Signe. Signe. Signe. Signe. Signe. Signe.








































Signe

Dry grass in a 90 degree summer day. I don't know what's worse, being that stupid or pretending to be.

Edit: MythBusters rawks.

I'm back, and I still hate you all (except for Signe).
My kid is fine, thanks for caring (both of you).

The house was fucking disgusting, but nowhere did I say, that it surprised me. I probably saved $15K by buying that house, dirty ceilings and all. But that doesn't make the cleaning experience or smokers any less disgusting.
It's now cleaned, sealed and repainted in nice (not 70's) colours. We do have an air purifying unit. The kid didn't have any allergies or bad stuff like that, it was a virus, but her being only 5 months old made the doctor send her to the hospital for tests just to be on the safe side. The wife was never sick, but toddlers don't get to go to the hospital by themselves (reading comprehension, folks). I haven't been posting here, because you all bore the fuck out of me...

nah, the stupid phone company (whom I hate more than any smoker) fucked up my new phone, thus ensuring that I'd have no DSL for the forseeable future. Today I started work again and can now read this forum in all it's glory again.
I missed you guys.

We missed you too.

I'm sure.

Have you physically moved in there yet?  That's when everything else goes wrong, you know.  Things seem to go the most wrong when you're moving and when you're going on holiday. 

Happy to hear the baby is fine and the wife hasn't commited anything ending in "cide".  I'm not nuts about the smell of paint, but I'm sure it's better than stale cigarettes.  I have to admit, being in a non-smoking house now is incredibly nice.  Everything smells much better than it used to... even my hair!