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Severance

Warrior - 3

Straz – “Strazos” Tauren
Shuggles(hat's bud) - "Palehorn"  Tauren
Morph - "Morv" Undead
Stray - "Korr"
Der Helm - "Helm" UD

Rogue - 2

Haemish – “Haemish” Undead
?Soukyan - Rogue / Mage
Merusk – “Merusk”

Hunter - 1

Pasta(morph’s bud) –
Flood - "Geiss"

Mage - 1

Dren
?Soukyan - Rogue / Mage
Stray - Dazaris

Warlock

?Der Helm – Warlock
?Poco – Warlock
?Driakos - Tauren something / UD Warlock

Shaman - 2

MrHat - "Paxx" Orc (gnom eng)
Lt.Dan – “Danwa” Tauren
?Velorath - Mage / Shaman

Druid - 1

Shockeye - "Foozle" Druid
Flood - "Fogchaser"
Priest - 1

HRose - UD Priest

Undecided/Confirmed:
Wasted - Something not a mage
1 more of morph’s buddies



I'll try and keep this updated.

Maybe I'll organize this better so we can see what's lacking.

I might play a cow warrior, Unless we have someone playing warrior who will play a lot. I like keeping redudancy to a minimum.

Also, as of now I won't be playing after mid-October....I'll see where I stand then (whether I will re-up or not).

Ooh sign me up

I'll be undead dont know what class yet, I've got a mage so any class but that

Can I make a pretty undead female priest?

Btw, expect three-hours queues.

EDIT: Damnit

You can make undead about as pretty as human females if a bit more hunched over.

kaid

Depending on the que situation I'll be on as Holstein or Angus, Cow Shaman, or Merusk, UD Rogue.

The best thing about female undead is the detachable pouty lips  :-o

Oh and I'll be an Tauren Shaman - Danwa, queues and server uptime permitting of course.

Undead Rogue, name probably Haemish or something equally unoriginal.

schild - Tauren Druid

Hello, my name is Merusk and I'm an altaholic. (My account is filled on my alliance server...)

Ok, I'll do the rogue thing first. I was worried we'd have too many, but it's looking pretty clear.

Your taste in (virtual) women scares me  :-o

This is going to confuse the hell out of me. Thank you in advance for the headaches.

I was going to take "Haemish" but someone else is going to use that name. Bastard.

You can take the shaman off mine. UD Warrior.

Also, I should have at least 2 friends that are going to be playing on and off here also. One is "Pasta", im not sure what his name will be here, he is going to be a hunter, and the other one is uncerten what he is going to play.

What's everyone's opinions on recruiting from the masses?  (ideally I"d like 30 or so people in the group, but not more than that)

I think we should. But we should also be very free to boot people who are idiots.

Korr --  UD Warrior
Dazaris -- UD Mage

Server is up. I rolled up a few characters.

I redicided to play as a warrior for the begining. Will add a warlock and a priest to rotate Rest Status.

Helm - Undead warrior

Hmm, that's 5 warriors now. I don't mind switching....Err...Maybe.

I'll stay with my mage plan, but might give up and go rogue if I get frustrated.  If I can get into enough groups as a mage it should be fine.  As long as I can get to 20 quickly everything should work out well.

It is just that...rogues are so damn fun to play.

Emerald Dream.  Good name and a good place to read your Cosmo magazines!   :-)

I warned them  :-)

EDIT: Well shit. I'm on a 300 queue now.  :x

Malachite Nightmare?

It's only like 10mins, will be worse tonight.

Well I played a Warlock to 25 and it was interesting.  (Reminiscent of the good old EQ Necro days)

But... dunno I can see a healer being needed.  I am sick to death of priest after 56 levels on Ner'zhul.  So maybe Druid.  But Shaman was fun (easy).  


Hell I don't know LOL.

Yeah, it's mostly people reserving the good PvP names like Burninator, Ikillu, Tryrunning, Crymore and Mesopwny.

Bear with me. I haven't really played since launch.  :-)

[edit] On that note, I'd switch from Warrior, but it's one of the only classes I know how to play....And I hate healing. What else is needed (no need to tell me that I can play what I want...I really wouldn't mind some other options, if it'd make us more efficient)?

Yea Stray I wasn't implying we need X more than Y etc. 

I myself just don't take to melee's as much as casters or hybrids.  I still think we should just all roll whatever grabs us as fun, then sort things out later.

I hate to say it, but you actually need more hunters. Not only are they good in group PvP for ranged DPS and stealth detection, in 1.7 beastmaster spec'd ones will rip through casters. Oh, and the pets can provide a 6500+ armor, 120 resist tank now too. Shaman + hunter = teh pwn.

Fug it. Now that I'm logged in, I'm just going to play the Warrior.

Please please please just play whatever you want, I was saying that if you end up grouping w/ a player that just happens to fill a niche for us, and they're not a fuckhead, try and pull them into the fold :p

You have a tell incoming I think.

Whoever can get the guild up first with "Doomed" post here.

You have HRose as your priest.  He's a nice chap and will probably heal you even if you complain about him being HRose.

Character info:

Geiss: Level 0 Orc Hunter (saves the name for me also)
Fogcatcher: Level 2 Tauren Druid (with our server named Emerald Dream I thought it was fruity and RP'ish enough lol)

Messing around with Fog right now, but work is looming in the next hour.

That's all well and good until you log on and there's four warriors in the guild online and no healers.  I'm the impatient type who hates taking a long time to put a group together so it's fun for me to play what's needed. 

To that end it looks like we've got a decent amount of tanking and healing, but are slightly lacking in damage dealers.  I'm going to give Hunter a try.  If I don't find it fun for whatever reason I'll probably go with mage... once I get past the queue.

Sounds good, but if there are 4 warriors on, might as well make a group with them, you'd be surprised how forgiving the instances are until L60.

Edit: Yea 20 min queue!

True.  I'm not worried about individual classes so much as just trying help keep a good mix of healing, damage, and tanking, is all.

I'd just like to thank you motherbitches for reintroducing me to the cuntslapping queue.

Time to go feed the masses.  I'll be back tonight around 10ish PST.  Hopefully no ones "LFG RFC" by then LOL. 

Anyone that wants can get to me via XFire, or look for the names I posted above.  Hope I "meet" some of you guys ingame.

I'm sorry!

Im not. I think its funny.

DING! Level 5

<-- lowbee catass  :hulk_rock:

Strazos - Rogue, UD

Well...I have a 583 queue to wait through, first.

Foozle - Level 5 Cow Druid

Yep, I got Haemish, Level 1 Undead Rogue. With no lower jaw and searching for his family jewels.

Wow the que keeps rising... rising.. rising.  20 mins to 30 mins.. 508 in line.

Good thing Angel is on TNT right now.

Hrm.. Haem took my no-lower-jaw look.  Damn, that's my favorite undead face. I might just need to be undeadmangina.

Haha, I have TNT on right now also.

I'm 388 in line.


....Are they in Rome, on Angel atm?

595th, 38 mins to go.  Medium population my ass.

EDIT:  546th now but 56 mins to go.  Nothing like waiting an hour to get to a laggy newbie area where quest mobs have a life expectancy of 0.

I cannot think of a name.

Kelthos - lv. 4 Orc Hunter

Yep, they were.  Only one TNT for us east coasters.

229.. 20 mins.   OOg this was a mistake but now I'm determined.

Anyone know the afk timeout time?

ie. Time it takes from going afk till you get booted to selection screen, and the time it takes to get booted from that to the log in.

still gotta kick 240 people off the server before I can get in.

Undead Rogue name of Glutton on the way though

Lizz - lvl 1 - undead Priestess - spikey hair

"Doomed" is taken.

"Doomed to Death" isn't as good as "Doomed to Failure", however.

"Burning Region" and "Condemned" are also possibles.

Anyone got any other ideas?

Condoomed?

Condemed is fine by me.

Burning Region! Burning Region!

I like condemed also. We could all RP escaped Criminals or some shit.

Quarantine?

Contaminated?

The Directory?

Burning Region is great if it flies on an RP server.

 Doomed to Failure is at least apt.

Oh:  Farley, L3 Troll Hunter. 

Pasta's name is Lido

"Moribund" perhaps?
or "Doomed Destiny"

I do like Burning Region though

1100 people in the queue right now.  Don't think I'm making it back on tonight...

We going to use the f13 teamspeak? If so whats the address. The one for the teamspeak thread isnt working.

I changed my mind. This is thwe worst queue I have ever had in my time in WoW.

I restarted the TS server. Should work fine now.

What's the queue like now?

Mahona Tauren Druid lvl 10, Guild Harbringer

If HRose had a sense of humor, he would have made his name Viklas. Instead, you're all in a guild with HRose.

I'd lol but I'd rather see how this turns out.

Severance?   Severance?

I wanted Shock Troops, among other names.

I just want the roster and guild chat channel.

Yup.

YOU WEREN'T THERE

Yes. Long story. If someone has a better suggestion, I'm all ears.

Just nothing like "For Teh Win" or "Zerg Killas" (wait.....that's kind of cool...umm...well, maybe not).

New PVPRP shard up already, called Twisting Nether.

I created an Undead Priest on Emerald Dream, named: Zilo

Has everyone gone insane or just forgotten the joy of the stupid wow board thread when people started mining the RP server boards for material?

Good luck on the pvp server though, they are damn fun as long as your not waay behind the curve.

Darkknitter, undead priest.

Undead Warlock - Kyldaely - level 3 so far.

By the time I was able to sit down and get in the game, the queue was over 1000 with an estimated wait time of 60 minutes.  So, no, I didn't get a toon created yet.

I will start a mage and a rogue though.  Names will be forthcoming but they will always start with Dren...

If you see my mage on, group please  :-D

I dropped the Troll Hunter and started an Orc Shaman.  Name is Arkasian. 

On a related note:  If "RP" in WoW has already been reduced down to nothing more than a simple set of naming rules, and if people are widely ignoring those rules anyway, as characters named "Axehole" call people Nazis all across General, then what is the point again?

Comedy.

Is that taken as a guild name ?

It was kind of amusing to see folks RPing..badly.. last night.  I'll wind-up irritated beyond tolerance soon if I hang around cities too long.

Character Update: I'm almost 9, and have taken on the mantle of Tailor/Enchanter (yeah I know, odd mix for a rogue, but I haven't done either prof yet and we needed 'em.)  Any greens you were going to vendor would be a help, as well as any cloth.   I'm albe to make simple linen bags right now, and If you hunt me down or mail me some mats I'll make one for you.  Othewise I'll be mailing them out one at a time, going down the guild roster as I'm able to gather mats in my normal day-to-day.

He wouldn't heal you anyway.  You wouldn't let him in the last guild.

As a man with 8 characters on Argent Dawn, all I expect out of this crowd is:

1) No snarky names.
2) Overhearing the occasional RP conversation in /say at bars.

I don't want Orcs spouting Elizabethian monologues and I don't want 12-year olds named Pantyraidleader emoting /dance over dead Gnomes and passing that off as "RPing the conflict."  Time will tell if this is too much to ask.

A few of the good names I have seen so far:

Peanutbutter
Quickkilla
Silentkilla


Oh yeah, I am lvl 7.

Your first mistake? You turned on the General channel. Which should be renamed the "I'm an Immature Asstard of 37 Who Didn't Get Enough Hugs from Mommy and Daddy So You Will Listen To Every Word I Have to Say!" channel.

I have none of the broadcast channels on at the moment.

Only /say /yell /party and /guild.  I might turn on /trade when I get into cities, but doubt it.

Oh ya, almost 12.

Yeah well, ya re-roll and start killing Mottled Boars...a few minutes later you start asking yourself why the game is suddenly pissing you off, and you realize that you have to close /1 again.  In the interim the stupid leaked through, giving me a terrifying window into the server's bleak social future.

I just want to kill elves.  Specifcally the magina ones.

Oh, and as of 230pm EST, no queue, but no character list either :p

Server is fucking up, that's why. There was a huge lag spike just a while ago, that lasted 5 minutes (and counting). I decided to log off, but I couldn't even do that..So I just killed the app.

Excellent, guess I'll play some CS:S.

Oh, and there were level 20's this morning in the Crossroads.

Don't pay attention to the levels of the highest levels, that way lies madness.  Just let them power on up and start ganking Alliance to keep the land safer for my noobish ass.

From my brief wade into the forum waters, it looks like we've got more Alliance than Horde.  Go figure.

Server. Enough with the gay UO speak.

Twisting Nether is of course the place to create Burning Region.

lol

I'm glad there's more Alliance.  more peeps to kill.

20 minute que to access Emerald Dream at 2:00PM PST on a Wednesday.  BOO!


Too bad we didn't/couldn't relocate to Twisting Nether-regions.

Just joined without a queue.

guildname shoulda been 'general is OOC FS'

It's better than it was Flood, and it's only gonna get better from yesterday.

Besides, what are you doing home at 2pm anyways!

Queue will die down in a few days when everyone realizes they won't be the first person to hit 60 on this server, either.

I'm not about to reroll now...And I didn't want this server in the first place  :-D.

That being said: I'm on a 27 minute queue (I'm sure Maelstrom is worse though...And Twisting Nether is well on it's way).

Lol, 400 queue and the server marked as "low" population.

Is there something that Blizzard doesn't break?

I suggest "For Great Justice" as the guild name (just to piss off all the Alliance palladian holy crusaders guilds)

Change the highest rank to "Zig" and you are gold.

4:45PM PST que is at 553.  Gah!


Anyways for MrHat and those that have already asked:  I'm a waiter at a snarky restaurant here in my town.  I also do staff training and semi-managerial duties.  (I herd the 19 year olds around basically). 

Hence I work both day shifts and night shifts, and sometimes I'm off random days.  (Usually Sunday and Monday.)

I've never tasted snark.  Is it nice?

Tastes like Boojum.

Isn't that a cactus or something?  Does it make you high?

Considering I really am high as I reply to your post, I'd have to say that would rock on multiple levels.

I logged in when I got home from work and just let the queue ride.  I'm in the guild now with my undead mage, and I'd love to tell you my name but forgot what form of Dren... it is.  Anyway, it is on the ingame roster, look for me there.

Game is almost totally new to me playing a mage (never played one) and undead (never played horde.)  It was really fun just from that aspect.  One bad thing though.

No sugar daddy main character to supply bags and gold.  /bleh

I'll be on tonight to look for an f13er for an invite.  I'm still only 6th level, and I'm certain that the rest of you will continue to blow past me, but an amusing chat channel would be great.

Feh, we're passing items around on a regular basis, so gold isn't required for anything other than training.  As for bags, I asked who didn't have any and nobody answered me.  I'll go farm some linen and send you a few tonight.

I know.  I'm running close to even for training, which makes me uncomfortable.  I'll most likely run short for training too, which is annoying.  I typically bypass all of that by sending seed money to my alts like 2 gold.  That lasts until at least lvl 20.

Sorry, I didn't see your request for bag targets.  I'd appreciate a couple.  Once I start getting greens I don't need, I'll send them your way for dis'ing.  I'm surprised I haven't gotten any bag drops at all yet.

No bag drops here either, if you happen to have some linen left ...

... I happen to use all my cloth for bandages  :-D

I've been trying to get on over the past few nights but I get tired of waiting for the queue.

I'll get in sooner or later and will have an Undead Priest. Probably level too slow to be of any use. My main is only now level 29.

Been itching to try an RP/PvP server. Damn the queue.

My queue last night was about 577 long and 30 minutes worth. I did hit 9 and got to hunt with Drenigious (sic) some. I have yet to search for my withered jewels, though.

Also, I already want to stab lots of people in the face, mostly those advertising for guild members in the LFG channel.

At least it is "in character"
 :rock_hard:

Aren't you undead? Or are you the cow. Damned if I remember people's names yet.

Cannbibalsim ? Stupid me. I just forget that all the time. Will send out some clothes for bags then :-D

I saw Merusk and poked him yesterday, but he was tagging along with a female partner who got all grumpy and jealous at me.

Why are you still in LFG channel?  My first move was /leave 1. 3. and 4.

I'm liking the mage so far since the damage I'm putting out is by far more than any other character I've started (I've made all of them except Hunter.)  Our mage/rogue duo was fragile but great for damage.  It was fun.

Btw, how the hell I spec the priest? I have no clue about the talents.

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=4368.0

I'll follow the group but given the queues I just can't justify what little play time I have for waiting, and I hate to slow anyone else down.

Looking forward to the blogs... ;)

only a 100 queue at 6:30 PM Eastern.  Not bad.

First I couldn't even get in the queue. Now I can, and I'm only #299 or so at 8:44 pm CST. Maybe most of the punters have gone home.

Meh, I can't even get past 'handshaking'  fucking login server problems.

Picked up Burnout Revenge today, so no queue for me right now.

Logged in at 4:30 server time to get through queue in time for playtime later and found no queue at all.  Stayed logged in the rest of the night even though I only actually played for about 1.5 hours.  Works for me, just have to move my character every 30 minutes or so  :wink:.

Made Indyra the undead priestess last night at about 11pm after Perenolde 'sploded, no queue at all at that time of night :P  Newbie zone was actually nice and quiet, ran her up to level 6 and logged without any annoyances other than the inevitable RP-nazism over general chat (thank you, /leave command)

I think everyhardcore roleplayer should stick to single-player games.  They don't seem to want anyone else on the server (given the way they all threaten to demand people be banned at the drop of a hat.)

Almost all members can invite into the guild so if a F13 person messages you asking for an invite, feel free to give it.

Myself (Foozle), or MrHat (Paxx) are around quite a bit if there's anyone still needing an invite.

Also for current members, if you group with someone who seems to know what they're doing and isn't a complete tard, go ahead and give them a guild invite if they are looking to join a guild. If you do invite someone, let Hat, Haemish or myself know.

And today's ArrPee tip - If a Tauren comes up to you and asks you to milk them... don't.

You know, in all the shennanigans in general chat, I've yet once to see anyone make any reference to udders.  God and Jesus made an appearance as did Thrall and the Tauren leader but the  lack of references to lovely great big udders just goes to show how unoriginal WoW players are. 

That said I did see a guild called 'Hordenance' last night so maybe there's some hope.

I would just like to say once again that I FUCKING HATE HORDE. I hate the fucking Barrens, I hate the Undead, and I just generally hate the Horde. It is quite obvious that the content on the Alliance side is more interesting, more geographically compacted (unless you play Mangina, but who gives a shit about them anyway) and more rewarding. I'd like to take whatever Blizzard writer retard it was that decided it was a smart idea to put one race from each side on a completely different continent than all the other races and shoot him directly in the face.

I thought that after the barrens things get a lot more interesting, fast. Round about the same time when you start entering the contested areas, so you have a valid point there.

Yeah, Barrens is some boring shit that just keeps going on and on and on.  I'm glad I hit 18 so I can go back to Silverpine tonight and do some of the quests I left there. 

Part of the problem is there's too many levels crammed into Barrens, and the zone's so damn long it takes forever to get to the upper level stuff.  Alliance has it so much better because after you hit Westfall you're not there for much longer than 5-6 levels before you can move on to Redridge or, if you so choose, go to Darkshore and pickup some of the late stuff there or early Ashenvale if you're so arsed.  All different-looking areas with different flavor to the content.  SOOOO damn much of barrens has been "Kill these Centaurs and bring me their heads.  Ok now kill THESE centaurs and bring me their heads.. ok one more time!" plus "kill these animals for rare parts drops.. they're all over and in no convienant cluster, so good fucking luck."

Barrens is a shitty, shitty, shitty zone.   Plus there's not enough fucking cloth drops there.  I got tons of the stuff in UD lands from scarlet crusade, dalaaran, undead, murlocs, rothide gnolls.  Barrens you get.... centaurs or maybe quillboars if there aren't 15 other horde there trying to collect their 60 bits or kill their 15 cound.  Fuuuck.

After playing alliance from launch I agree.  The quests are boring and involve too much running. 

I have to gripe about the town layouts too.  It seems like they designed the horde towns to be as confusing as possible with all the different elevations, etc.  The Alliance cities are laid out simply and you can hit each point in it within seconds.  Half the time I'm trying to figure out "how the hell do I get up there?" in the horde cities.

A side note though:  I thought it was strange to be playing Undead to the music of Barney (son was watching it nearby.) 

Background: "I love you, you love me, ...." 
Son: "What are you doing Daddy?"
Me: "Oh, I'm eating this guy I just melted with fire."
Son: "Why don't you kill that bad guy in the middle of your screen?"
Me: "Oh, that's me son.  I'm a rotting zombie type skeleton."
Son: "..."

Logout

Hehe I have these conversations all the time with my five year old.  She won't let me kill lizards but giraffes are ok, and she's still in the Ugly => Evil mode so it is hard to explain to her that not everyone in Org is a Bad Guy.

And I was wondering who is spamming me with duel invites whereever I go :D

I just made Grunt (Rank 2), Standing 32.

Congrats! Zug zug!

Grind Grind?

Made a character there last night.

Zugleft level 7 orc hunter

Actually, all it took was 3 WSG wins.  Server is nice and young.

I hit ~115 Enchanting yesterday thanks to all the donations from you guys.  This means I'm starting to finaly hit the level of "useful" enchantments and I'm buying them as I get the cash to do so.

Those of you who melee primarily, I can perma enchant beastslaying (+2 dmg vs beasts) or minor impact (+1 dmg vs all).  Those who use shields I have a +30 armor enchant I can do as soon as I track-down some level 17-20 greens to get Lesser Astral Essences from.

I don't know about enchantments for my mage, but certainly keep the cloth armor a-coming.  I'll keep the cloth donations coming your way in return!  I'm finally getting wool drops now.

I hit 120 in leatherworking last night thanks to a decent consignment of leather from Kelthos.  I should be able to sort out some of those greens for you.

I could also use some potions of minor agility from any Alchemists we have.  Then I can make some pretty neat gloves.

I'll send some potions your way.

I hit Alchemy 185 last night and my Herbalism is almost at 200. They other three skills are sitting at 150 until I get some books.

I could use any minerals you guys have spare. I am going to be working on Blacksmithing, and I hear it takes a buttload of materials. I have about 60 copper saved up in my bank, so that should help me get up a bit. Also, I can make sharpening stones and wetstones to add damage to your weapons. Its not much, but at low levels every little bit helps.

I think so far my skill is at 15 blacksmithing, but I have only made sharpening stones so far.

I started blacksmithing as well...

And let me add (just in case nobody did before) ...







Catasses!

(http://say2k.tv/blog/images/catpucker.jpg)

Seriously, I have a smithy on a normal server at 270 and I'd do it completely different than I did.  I did as you want to do and keep skilling as you go up in lvl.  However, I'd not even work on smithing skill except for the sharpening stones and sell the ore on AH.  You could either sell or keep the gems you find, but I'd even just sell those.

Reason?  On a young server you will want the money now and people will be willing to pay for the stuff more now than later when it is easier to get.  The items you can make as you level are not all the great compared to those that can be found or sent to you by a guildie.

The really good stuff is into the iron and mithril stages and that is a ways off for you anyway.  Once you get a horse just range the low level areas for copper, tin, and iron.  You'll get buttloads of it quickly and can burn your skill levels up really really fast.  It will slow a bit at mithril, but even then you can get the ore way quicker on a mount.  You hit a wall at around 240-250 as thorium is needed and much tougher to get, but that is where you will see a real benefit from smithing the level appropriate items for yourself/guild or for sale.

Build your mining up as you go and sell the stuff for the things you need now.  Save all plans you find or buy on the cheap until you can use them.  You may even want to take skinning or herbalism or enchanting (disenchant to get ingredients) for awhile to augment your income until you are reading to grind the smithy skill. (I suggest skinning since you will be producing dead beasts constantly anyway.  Herb is second but you have to go out of your way to find the plants.  The dead beasts will be right in front of you.)

Of course this isn't very RP and does require some downtime grinding later in the game.  Up to you.  Just advise from experience.

I may roll up a char this evening.  Are there any class voids that need filled?

We seem to be covered on Warriors, Rogues, and Shaman. Not mayny Priests or Druids (as is always the case).

We could use more healers (Druids or Priests).

Also we're low on Mage, I think.

Zulartic, Priest

I didn't have much time to play but my priest still exists if you want to invite me.

/quit for now

I may come on when everyone's up to par or something. This game sucks for soloing.

Man, this game is so easy to solo at. Specially if your a rogue. Its almost to easy to solo.

He doesn't mean the game, he means the ganking.  Stray's in Ashenvale/ Hillsbrad now and was getting wtfpwned by groups of high 30s alliance.  Can't blame him for getting frustrated.

I dunno, I died a lot as a rogue...though I'm one of those that rarely run from a fight, even if I get low on hp. A lot of my fights ended with me at 10% or lower.

Run into a bad string of rolls, and you get rolled.

That and I'm not really happy with LFGing all the time. I like to have people around that I like to play with (my fault, I know). Soloing isn't hard. It's just boring and full of interferences.

*Not that I don't like the two players who are my level though (MrHat and Shockeye). It's just hard to get a hold of them.

How is it hard? We're on like all the fucking time :P

It's cool man, I've just been running BG's until people catch up.  Do come back though ok?  Like I said before, the overall feeling I'm going for with this guild is just play while you're having fun.  If you stop having fun, go do something else.

I'll probably come back. Give me a week.

As for fun, I've finally come to accept that fun in an mmo is not a viable thing without group/guild play. Even hum drum, run of the mill, boring as shit quests seem to take on a different personality when there's....People around. And self defense becomes an actual option too. Which is why I hopped on this server in the first place. I'll just have to wait and see though.

Whiners all.

Catass.

Hey, I just want to work as a team and a guild. And not have to fend off a dozen attacks by myself every night. If that makes me a whiner, then so be it.

[edit] Btw, I handle things fine by myself I might add. I just don't want to. What's the point?

If you are getting your ass kicked in a certain zone, there's plenty of other ones to go to.

Eh...That's not the point. I'm winning, I'm losing, whatever. But it's by myself.

Or sometimes, I'm getting help from a random horde team, etc..

And yeah, I can go to other zones....But by myself. I even asked you earlier if you wanted to do Stone Talon, but you were doing something else. In Stone Talon at that! This is what I'm talking about.

And I can get into pickup groups easily enough...But what's the point of that if I have a guild?

I'll just wait is all I'm saying. We're not playing together here, and that's not at all what I planned. There's no point in guilds if we're not all on the same page.

Well I feel you. 

I left my previous server almost entirely due to the fact that being solo makes the game anti-fun, and being solo in a PvP setting makes the game painful.
And, I agree that at a certain point if we don't do things as a group(s), what's the point of the guild?


But - to counterpoint - You just flat ass outlevelled me.  (And most folks I think)  I'd love to go run some quests, or just look for trouble.  But I need to catch you first.  :wink:

Although I am levelling like mad now.  I will be 23 tomorrow easily.  So hang around, roll an alt or something but I'd hate to see a good player leave. 

He's not leaving, he's having too much fun.  Just doesn't want to ruin the experience.

Ditto on the outlevelnig.  I play way too much as it is for someone with a job and kids and I'm only at 5 bubs from 23.. and I'm only there because I took yesterday off and catassed.   Flood, Me and Kheld were grouping up in Barrens last night, and a group of us are doing WC tonight or tomorrow, so it's not like we don't group.  You just blew past those of us who do.

Oh, and Shock was farting around farming gold for the tabard yesterday.  That's probably why he declined you.

Yeah, you all should slow down, yo.  :-D


Actually, if you want to have grouping fun then I'd suggest starting some alts and keeping them 5-10 levels apart from each other.  If nobody is on that is in your main's lvl range, log on with one that is in the middle of most and you'll probably find people in the guild willing to party.  I'm probably going to have to do that so I have a character to play with my friend that joined.  Even though I'm casual (1.5 hour a night, maybe 6 total on the weekend,) my friend is ultra-casual with maybe 4-7 hours played all week.

If grouping is your main focus and what makes the games fun for you, then position yourself to make the best of the situation.  Be an alt-aholic like me.

You don't get to post in this thread let alone this forum. Go away.

Ninjaing chests for the sake of the guild tabard.  Robin Hood would be proud.  :-D

Ok, tabard purchased.

I suggest buying your tabard from whereever you are honored.

Cost is 1g or 90s if you buy where honored.

The most I've had in my pocket has been a bit over 1 gold and that was just before training.  Hopefully, my stash starts growing soon and I'll buy my tabard and contribute to your efforts.  Please don't send the thugs to break my kneecaps just yet.

Yeah, I still get a kick out of that.   Shock, you should have just said "Yes. Go away."  to the folks bitching up "OMG is this how your guild operates? So blacklisted!"   The crying must've been divine, I wish I could've seen it.

I have yet to have 1 gold on my person at any time. I think I'll whine again just how badly fucked undead in specific and Horde in general are when compared to the loot/quest density that human/alliance has.

Perhaps it is an Undead problem. I've really had no problem having enough money for whatever I've needed (tabard exception) as a Tauren. I've done all the quest in Mulgore, Barrens and most of the Ashenvale and Stonetalon ones. I've done a few over in Silverpine  and Thousand Needles.

Seems like it's more of a rogue problem.  Low level rogues just seem to be poor.  Happened on my Alliance character and it's happening doubly so with my undead enchanter/ tailor rogue.  Poisons also wtfpwn my pocketbook now.

Although: Haemish, I found the leve 18-19 quillmanes are a good farming spot.  Decent pickpocket loot, good cloth drops for the AH and a reasonable amount of greens compared to the rest of the zone.  Plus the blood thingys they drop sell for 2s90c each stack of 10 and drop pretty frequently.   I made 1g50s in about an hour and a half of killling for one quest last night, and stuck around to get enough to be able to train the stuff I'd skipped.

What are your trades?  I get almost all my money from selling raw materials at the AH, rarely paying any attention to the value of quest rewards.  Grinding on mobs that drop cloth is another decent income maker from my experience, though I'm not as familiar with Emerald Dream's economy.

I've been fine with money, but just barely (undead mage.)  That's after donating every scrap of cloth AND green item to Merusk.  Of course, I do not have the best gear for my level either.

I moved over to the Barrens as soon as possible.  Perhaps that is the difference?  Stonetalon is a must and I haven't been there much yet.  I'd like to get groups for hitting the q's there.

When I've been in Stonetalon lately, I've noticed many more Alliance than when I originally did quests there.

That's one reason I've tried to level as fast as I have, to try and stay ahead of the curve in contested areas so I can run quests in a little more peace than there is now.

Unfortunately, there's mid 40's and 50's alliance running around some of the areas I need to be now. Must catass faster.

Looks like the strategy for now is going to be to find the biggest group you can and make sure you're faster at escaping than at least one of them.

You were there. There was no "crying". It's not that big of a deal. Err....But if you're talking about an entirely different situation, then ignore me.

Again, all I'm saying is that a guild should be more than a group of soloers with their own private chat channel. Especially on a pvp server.

Er.. I'm talking about Shockeye and the people bitching at him about  his farming practices, not you.  Dude, I'm a dick but I'm not that big a dick.

Try harder.

You've been farming? Do not make me make you look like the girl in your avatar.

/murfle

There's something about ghey Panda-Girlsuit threats that bring out my lighter side.

Shockeye, taunt him more... ;)

Some of us are starting to catch up with the older chars.  I hit 22 last night and should be surpassing 24 today.  Is anybody up to going to SFK tonight?

BTW, why is Teamspeak so dead now?  And what is that utility that enables the TS names to show up in Wow?  As it is now, I never know there are other people on unless they talk.

QBnut's Teamspeak Overlay:
http://www.qbnut.com/tso/

Coder_1024's TSDisp: (Doesn't work with WoW, I don't think)
http://forum.goteamspeak.com/showth...?&threadid=8860
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tsdisp/

Pbarrette's TsShow4DX8:
http://www.peterbarrette.com/

I have a level 17 Orc Warrior with 9 gold.  It was not hard to do, either.  All I did was mine copper, smelt it, and sell it on the AH.  It goes for about 80 silver per stack of 20.  Other trade skills like herbalism have similar profitable sales on the AH.  (Hell, you can even sell CLOTH on the AH for a decent amount).

That would involve farming, or hardcore devotion to gathering herbalist resources. Silly me for thinking just playing the game and questing would actually get me enough to have my normal skills and enough money to buy armor that didn't suck.

Of course, on the Alliance side, it was much easier to make money just questing.

I play primarily Alliance, and I haven't noticed a discrepancy myself.  I was at about the same level of equipment with my Alliance characters as I am with my Horde ones at their level.

Just made a character there last night. Didn't even realize you guys had started up up on Emerald.

I should be on this evening if someone wants to invite me.

Calistrae - Undead Priest. Lev 6 right now.

Any particular defficencies in trade skills? I haven't picked mine yet.

Stray and myself are doing Herb/Alch.

Merusk is doing Tailor/Enchanting

Poptart is doing Mining/Blacksmithing

Hat is doing Mining/Engineering

Lt.Dan is doing Skinning/Leatherworking

Don't remember what other people are doing.

Not on Emerald Dream.  20 Copper goes for about 15 silver, 20 light leather for 3 silver, and 20 linen cloth for 5 silver.

You have to remember that everyone on ED is low level, so they are all mining copper right now. Reduces the demand.

The prices of Swifthistle and Fadeleaf on my server are just fucking scary.

6 gold for 3 bits of fade.

Come off it....

Exactly the reason my shaman was herb/mining while my rogue was alch/eng.  No way I was paying asshole tax on my necessities.

Yeehaw! My first contribution to the WoW forums (and umm..probably my last):

Behold (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-emeralddream&t=13088&p=1&tmp=1#post13088)

Lol.  gankage.  Omgwtf.  lol.


Etc.

Every night etc.. This is just the first time I felt like screening it.

Really, this isn't the "RP PvP/Slightly Mature etc." Server I was expecting. It's the server where a bunch of dorks who got their asses kicked on other servers come to release all of their pent up frustration on lowbies and singles. Not just in Hillsbrad either.

Hmm I dunno, I have a 30ish cow shaman on our horde alt server and money wasn't really a problem for me.

The nice thing about horde lowbie life is, you have a LOT more instances in green territory to play around with. I remember doing RFC, then WC, RFK, SFK, BFD, and planning for gnomeregan (via teleport), RFD, SM... alliance only has deadmines (no, stockades don't count :p). But then again, instancing at low levels is sometimes cringe-inducing, though I had some bored high-levels run me through WC and RFC super-fast like.


-- Z.

Um.

Seriously, you know the huge respect I have for everyone, but I have to say :  What did you expect ??

I was seriously considering transferring to our PvP RP servers, but decided against it for that very reason.  I'll stay where I am and then at least it's the devil I know...

Sure, there are a lot more, but they suck. Ragefire? Boring, copy-paste dungeon. WC? Only slightly better. Blackfathom? Dear god, I hate that dungeon.

Fuck you, we have ShadowFang.

SHADOWFANG AND SILVERPINE OWNS YOU....

I haven't gotten to Shadowfang yet, but I intend to.

Yup, I know.  The fact remains that it isn't the big money maker as it is on established sewers.. err.. servers.  I'm just hording my stuff now, I think other people are doing the same.  Prices will balance out eventually.

We've been trying to get to Shadow Fang for the last few evenings -- always end up being two people short.

I've been having my first forays into contested lands, and it's got all the gimpy gankage I expected.  I haven't gotten killed yet, but spending half my time running to the nearest outpost sucks.  It's exactly what I expected, though, and I'm probably going to limit myself to going out in a group as often as possible.  There was some damned paladin in particular named Sundance or some other gay name that stands out -- attacking people ten+ levels lower than him while they are fighting mobs and still not managing to kill them.  I got over his stun and feared him before he broke through my damage shield every time he pulled his shit.

Actually, Me = Newb. Never played the game much before. Didn't know what to expect, I guess.

I knew what to expect due to vintage '97-'98 UO.  Some things never change.

Vintage UO was better, actually. At least you could train up enough skills as a newb to be able to fight off "higher level" players and whatnot (because there were no levels).

Diet Coke... on my screen.  You didn't play UO, did you? The skill system just got dumb newbs killed. 

"I've got 75 swords and tactics now, I'm going to go attack that dread lord." 
30 seconds later
"OooOOooOOooooO ooooOOoOOoOooO  oOOOOOOOoo" Translation: "Ohh shit, I had my house key on me."
 

Yeah, it was all about the eBolt, baby.  And tank mages.  And when it first opened... earthquake scrolls to kill a screen full of everybody without using a single mana point.  I see what Stray's saying though.  Street smarts went a long way in staying alive.  Skills had to be maxed out to kill, but not to escape.

Back to Emerald Dream, somebody pointed out that  the population is almost perfectly balanced. (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?PHPSESSID=e9709b10e0e517649327d09bde7bbc65&serverid=554&factionid=-1&minlevel=1&maxlevel=60&servertypeid=4)  Interesting.  Battleground queues should run smoother, hopefully.

So we've got 30 or so people (including alts) in the guild. What's the point? What's going to define us as a guild? What are we aiming for? Why should we continue to exist beyond just existing?

True enough. What was it 62.1 magery in order to not fail a recall?  All you ever needed. Less if you used scrolls. I took his comment in another way, as in you still had a chance to take down the mean bully with sub standard skills.  Of course, the target area for those skills (mainly in magery) changed with the flavor of the week.  Which was a strength, I suppose.  I never had a maxxed 7x GM, but I sure did kill enough.

Sorry for the derail, I just love discussing early UO.  And, I can't muster up enough will in me to make another march to 60.  I hope this attempt is actually successful though. 

I do have money against you in Vegas though. 

I played when it first came out, but not much. I didn't even have PC back then. And I didn't say anything about specifics like Dread Lords. I'm just talking about a little self defense.

It's a skill tree system. I'm just making a distinction with Class/Lvl based games.

You can do the same thing in SWG as well. Make an easy-to-roll Rifleman or Pistoleer/Pet Handler, and you still have a chance against a player  who's invested more time in harder-to-grind combat trees.

As for 8 vs 1....Well, that's hard to fight even in a pure skill based game, like a shooter. So whatever...

First things, first...We all need to be at roughly the same level. Then maybe we can actually "do" something.

We all will never be roughly at the same level and may even lose some people if we don't have a goal.

64th     Sergeant   Paxx     Severance   30      534    -  0    7,150
829th    Scout     Haemish   Severance   22      27   - 0    370
923rd    Scout      Geiss      Severance     27      47   - 0    213

I agree,  but I fully expect we're going to lose almost everyone here in another 2-3 weeks anyway.

I'm ever the optimist about F13 guilds, despite history laughing at me.

As to the point? Me, I like raiding.  Weather that's PvP Battlegrounds or PvE instances doesn't matter.  Working as a team with a group of people who you don't entirely hate fulfills my S.A.E.- Bartle lifestyle.

So if that happens, what do we do about that? Actively recruit the least douchebaggy people we can find to fill up the guild or work on building alliances with other established guilds in order to get invited to raids, battlegrounds, etc?

My only personal goal has been to build up a character and have fun PVPing, whether that's Battlegrounds or otherwise.

Seconded.

If everyone leaves in 2-3 weeks you stop playing and move on. Why am I the only one that sees that as the only viable option with MMOGs? I mean there is no end of the game. And really there's no endgame. PvP has existed since Pong and hasn't changed much with MMOGs.

The disappointment with people leaving in mmo's (at least for me) is not tapping into all the "potential" fun that lies in the content. Soloing isn't going to offer that. Especially on this server. And as much as I like PvP and all that, WoW PvP sucks (not the combat itself...just the implementation and meaningless thereof).

As for endgame, PvP isn't really an endgame, as it's available at any level. If you want equal competition, the battlegrounds are open to lower lvls (Only problem is: It takes much, much, MUCH longer to get into a battleground than it does to get a match going in say, Counterstrike or BF2. Or any competitive/arena/battle game for that matter. Bleh).

Anyways...My only wish, if any, is that we experience the instances etc. without dependency on pickup groups and that we get our characters leveled and geared up together. Nothing more (at the moment at least).

Unless PvP changes, specifically battleground queue inconveniences, I don't really care about any far reaching goal in that subject (other than having at least one lvl 60 character that I can defend myself with, if and when I'd feel inclined to log on). This goes without mentioning a lack of seiges/player cities and all that kind of "endgame" PvP thing too.

There isn't much to work with as far as Crafting/Economical goals either.

Hmm..What else?

Being the first guild to kill _insert raid monster here_ ?

Yeah. Right.

/shrug

I dunno. Some of the questing is pretty neat, and the combat is good....But really, it seems that WoW suffers from a bit of the same shallowness that City of Heroes has (though it's not THAT shallow). It's just not much of the type of game that's worth having too many "goals" in. A few raids, decent loot, and a fairly smooth ride to 60 -- That's the name of the game. If we wanted to be really goal oriented, we'd be playing Eve (or hell, maybe even City of Villians...).

I got my clock cleaned a couple of times by a priest last night.  Any tips for a 22 Shaman vs 25 Priest?

Fight generally went
them - Destealth mindblast, wand, shield
me - Purge, Frost Shock (resisted), auto attack
them - Mindblast or Scream, wand, shield still up
me - Earthshock (resisted), snare totem, fire totem, self-heal
them - Mindblast, shield still up
me - dead or close to

I hate paladins.

I really hate them.

We went through Shadowfang Keep last night.

You know all the Horde instances I've bitched about? This was nothing like them. It was, you know, GOOD. Really fucking good. Deadmines was only slightly better, but this one rocked the house. Great loot, great mobs, great atmosphere. This is what instances should be. Why is it all the stuff in the Eastern Kingdoms that I've experienced so far is much more interesting and better realized than on Kalimdor?

I think if we start making weekly nights to hit instances, we'll keep people around longer. Also Hillsbrad is a fucking joke of 6 on 1, +10 level gankage wanking.

Today I was in a level 40-44 stranglethorn clean-out group. I was tracking and rooting so they took a lowbie like me.

Great fun. 45+ kills. Death to elves.

I would like to see us be foremost a PvP guild.

Due to the complexities of trying to grind xp while getting ganked, we should also be geared towards being able to do instances, maybe several a day.  With a group that's not over-leveled, it's a great source of xp, and much more enjoyable as well.

I hear ya.  But most of us *are* in the same level range, that being late teens through mid twenties, and we've been pretty active.  I've done at least one Severence instance run five out of the last seven evenings.  Give us a few days to catch up to you and you'll find your experience improves greatly.

I decided against the f13 guild after all because it's on a PvP server.  I suspected then and have watched it proven out since that it is too hard for everyone to get their schedules in synch to level up together.  A normal or RP server makes the most sense to me since then I could solo to keep myself in level with most of the guild.

I've been in several "friends only" guilds in WoW and this is sort of how it always seems to work out.  Level-based games suck for casuals unless they have something like CoH's temporary synch feature.

If "we" change our minds and go to Scarlet Crusade Horde or Silverhand Alliance I'd be happy to twink everyone up... ;)  Not whining, just saying.

This is the key to keeping the guild together (though I think it should be more often than weekly).  To a lesser extent, TS will also help.  We were a community before WoW, and if it's not extented into the guild, it won't survive; it won't have any reason to.

Besides being more fun, I see instance runs as being the only viable way to level up in a harsh world of gimped ganking.  Players that reach their 20's and believe their only option is to grind xp in Hillsgank or Stonegank Mountains will likely leave the server.  Stray's frusteration will be experienced by everybody if we don't make the instances happen.  Forming groups to quest in such areas will also work, but the xp won't be as good.

I'm all for instances.  But there are some easy quests that can be cherry picked.  Zones that have tightly bunched quests like the western side of Stonetalon (Charred Vale, and the elfy area north of there) and 1k needles has several nearby quests too.  Each has 6 or so 25-27 quests that could be quickly run through by a group.

/agree

Seeing my PvP rank posted was simultaneously exciting and embarassing.  LOL.  I haven't wanted to look.


ANYWAY.  As for the guild, I think as a whole, we are doing pretty well.  Better than I would have predicted.  As mentioned I think that instances or 3-5 man roving PvP teams will build comradery within our ranks and increase the incentive for us to play. (IE - more fun less grind)  And on the practical side, the bottom line is on a PvP server if you are solo (regardless of your level) your an easy target.


For myself I am sort of grinding/catassing for levels right now.  I admit it.  The reason is that I feel I need to reach at least a median level to be able to participate in raids/battle/battlegrounds, and not be generally harrassed as I travel hither and yon.  But I'm always glad to help whomever, as long as I'm at least getting a trickle of XP from whatever we are hunting.   :roll:

Purge him, then save your shocks.  All you wanna shock priests with is Earthshock.  He doesn't have Silence yet, so you don't have to Hearthstone fake before you heal (if you have to, Makes hands glow green like a heal)  I'd throw Flametongue on, throw down Searing totem, Earthbind, and just hump him, trying to move behind him before his spells complete when your Earthshock is down.  If he was mindblasting that much, you can run him out of mana quick.  Then Earthbind or Frostshock while you chase him down.  You will be able to kick the crap out of Priests, Mages and Warlocks till 40, then it'll start to even out.  Just don't let them cast anything.  If you get low on mana, use your Rank 1 Earthshock just to interrupt.

Not sure if you have Tremor totem yet, but throw that down vs. Priests and Warlocks.  It breaks Fear early. 

Resists can always beat you.

Actually, shamen have an advantage over priests, due to their instant-cast spells. Mindblast, the staple of a priest's damage spells, doesn't "lock on," so if you can get out of their LoS (behind a big object, or preferebly behind them), their ability to cast is fucked.

I started really destroying priests when I got a 2hander and windfury.

As for what shockeye said about goals and such, what the fuck is wrong w/ you? You've been doing what's fun for you so far, just like the rest of us.  I'd love to group with guildies (and offer to as much as possible) but seriously, the second I start not having fun, I go do something else.  No need for 'end-game goals'.  Fuck that shit.  When it comes to that we'll deal with it, until then, do what's fun for you.

We've lasted quite a while, but I understand quite a few of us are coming up on contested areas.  Really, I've avoided most of the bad ones by just running the low level instances (I rather like BFD and Gnomer, I think the atmosphere is really good, even though they take 1+h).

I've made quite a few friends with other guilds if we ever have numbers problems, we could probably merge with them.  Mostly PVP guilds though.

I have a great time just having people around to chat with.

Eh...Actually. I'm out. For real this time. I used to think I was an advocate of open pvp etc., but I'm not. Fuck me, if this was a PvE server, I'd be lvl 50 by now (really).

Open PvP seems to only be tolerable to me when there's nothing else to do (Yay Wolfpack. Now I see the reason why their pve sucked). Put me in time consuming situations just to get bullshit quests done? No thanks. I don't care for "super dumbshit hard" mode. My cock is already big enough kkthx.

EDIT: Besides, there's no such thing as "Conquest" in this sort of PvP. It's not only inconvenient, it's pretty much meaningless.

Told Ya.  Shadowfang is THE best instance in the game.  And I've been to them all.  Even the zone it's in is totally geared towards your ultimate confrontation with Arugal.

Release your Rage.

I thought he was just talking to me. Being the Warrior up in his face and all  :wink:.

I thought kinda the same thing the first time - that he was screaming at our warrior.  It was only when I realised that our priest had turned into a FUCKING SLAVERING WOLF-DEMON WITH CLAWS THAT WAS EATING MY HEAD that I reordered my thinking on the matter.  We then proceeded to kick in our poor priest.

And, of course, by that point he'd teleported over to his safe area and was chuckling away at our antics.

I like Scholomance too, but it's just not the same.  The whole of Silverpine builds to this 'something is wrong in ze ...Castle' and even when you go to Pyrewood (nice one minute, not when the moon's out) you build on this feeling of deep wrong.  The quests lead you all up to this madman and his keep and once you get in their you're dying to wreak all manner of revenge and come-uppance.

Instances shouldn't be just about the instance.  They should be immersive and create atmosphere from the zone in which they're taken.  That's the trick.  It should be a GOAL rather than just a loot run.

For example, we know that there's gonna be an instance in deadwind pass at some point.  Right now it's just a huge haunted castle in the middle of a haunted village.  They should start putting in history and side quests and really building us up to the instance itself.  The trouble with that, of course, is it runs a danger of becoming another Ravenholdt Manor that doesn't actually get anything patched in for bloody ages.

It's also cool that in Shadowfang Arugal pops up at various points to say 'neener, neener, neener, mad ravings, you'll never beat me.'  By the time he's done that twice you're DESPERATE to kick him in.

Heh. And from there, it goes downhill. Just a bit. Hillsbrad is easier on the eyes than the Barrens, but I'm not exactly sure what the current "theme" is. All the quests in Tarren Mills are kind of jumbled and story arcs like Elixir of Agony and Battle of Hillsbrad aren't leading up to anything too interesting. The only consistent thing seems to be chaos and the everpresent gang rapings every night  :wink:.

I think that's it. That's about all there is in Hillsgank, even the NPC quests. It just seems like it's about disrupting the other side, and that's it. Hillsgank really is better than the Barrens, except for all the Alliance who are 10 levels above most of the Horde in the zone.

Funny PVP story from Hillsgank last night. I'm trying to do the Moutain Lion Blood part of the elixir quests last night and engage a mountain lion. At the very moment I engage him, I see a paladin come into view. I run my cursor over him and see he is a level 32 (I was 23 at the time). I try to will him away from me with my mind, but he makes a beeline right for me. He doesn't even bother to wait for me to kill the lion, he just jumps right on me. I pop a few hits on him, but it's obvious the combo of him and the lion are going to win. So I hit Vanish. BLINK BUH-BYE BITCH. So the lion starts hitting him, since it can't aggro me anymore. He throws off whatever that spell is that throws off an area effect damage that looks like the earth has turned into a volcano. I don't know other classes that well. Luckily, I'm out of the effect range and stealth doesn't drop. So I decide that what's good for the gank is good for the gankee.

I pop an ambush on him and start whaling away with whatever I can put on him, the lion still pounding on him as well. Normally, I've got no chance against this cockmunch. Hell, if he'd waited until I killed the lion, I'd have fought him anyway, KNOWING I wouldn't win. But the minute he attacked me in the middle of the fight, fuck him, he just wanted to gank a lower level person and I can return the favor. I get him down to about 25% health and he decides he can't win. He pops his little bitch immunity thing and runs. Luckily for me, a pair of Hordies, a tauren and an orc, had seen the fight and joined in. We chased him halfway to Southshore, until his immunity wore off. Shortly after, he was dead.

Motto? If you don't want to even try to bother with a fair fight, don't expect one in return. Twat.

That's the thing.  I don't play on a PvP server, tho I constantly engage in PvP.  It's my choice and I'm surrounded by people making the same choice and the game is better for it.

I keep hearing people say that they can hit back at stupidity on a PvP server.  Don't like smacktalk ?  Smack the chap.

But that's a very poor tradeoff to the other type of stupidity you are then subject to on a PvP server. 

Your story makes me want to hunt the paladin down (in person) and eviserate him for real.  There was literally NO POINT in doing that except for making some other chumps game worse.

/meh, I didn't mind. I knew what I was getting into, just like I do every time I walk out of Tarren Mills in Hillsgank. Later in the night I got 2-shotted (yes, literally 2 shots) by a rogue coming out of stealth. He was ?? level to me. I had no shot whether I was fighting a mob or not. That's what's wrong with open PVP in a level-based game.

But if you play on any kind of PVP server, RP or not, you WILL be ganked by someone you have zero chance of beating. I accept that and will continue to until I get too frustrated with it. But I will give WoW credit for not only giving me that choice in servers, but even on PVE servers, it gives me that choice provided the other person is willing. It doesn't make me better or more l33t or hardcore than someone on a PVE server, it's just a different playstyle.

Would I like every player on the server to avoid unfair fights? Sure, I think that's honorable. But you can't "legislate" that onto people, nor can you expect them to seek it out in a competitive world. The only way you are going to make those kinds of fights even remotely fair is remove the levels that artificially inflate someone's power over another player based on time spent playing. And then we get into that whole Skill vs. level argument, and the whole MMOG community is back in 1997 again.

No, no, no.

I don't give a rats toss about unfair fights.  There will ALWAYS be unfair fights.

What annoys me is pointless fight.  This guy was so over your level that it wouldn't have given him CP, HKs or anything at all.  It ain't UO, so nowt drops, not even a Diablo Ear.

So why fucking do it ?

Well, to specifically and without any other goal, fuck up someone else's day.

This ISN'T a PvP/Carebear argument.  Those days are GONE.  This is a 'normal player/retard' argument. 

And I hate retards.

Pretty much all you'll find on Emerald Dream is retarded fights. Gank or be ganked. I prefer to do the ganking so I will attack whomever whenever. Am I happy being a retard? No, but when you're on the short bus you might as well drool like everyone else.

I wanna be special, like all the other special people?

Sorry to hear that.  I thought we would have made a good team.

That covers it all.  If you let somebody go because they are a few levels lower than you, there is about a 50% chance that they will jump you in the middle of a fight.  Better to get rid of them.

Ah well...We'll probably game again one day. Who knows.

Yeah, bro.  Just give it a couple day's break to let us catch up.  We'll be kicking ass.

Haem, your story shows a big plus to WoW PVP.

Even with 10 levels difference (red con), you can still kick someone's ass that sucks.

Heh. Well...I did give it a break already, and that didn't solve anything. I'd love to game with y'all and all that, but probably not anytime soon. That is, unless you're moving to PvE server. I see no real incentive to play on this one again.

I don't know if anyone's reading this wrong or not, but I'm not quitting because I don't like PvP. I love PvP. And for someone who's barely played this game, I think I'm already good at it. I can win against higher lvl characters fine, with only Paladins and the occassional Hunter being my bane (lucky I don't have to fight Shamans).

I'm not quitting because I don't have "skillz" or whatever. I'm quitting because I think the PvP sucks. It reaks of "pointless afterthought tacked on to the game". Even if we do it in groups and got organized, I'm not really seeing the overall point. Maybe if "The Battle of Hillsbrad" (or whatever) was actually tied into some kind of PvP conquest, where it actually forces Horde or Alliance further away, then hell yeah, I'd stick with it. The way it is now though, I can knock around alliance players on a regular basis, but all they do is keep coming back. With 4 more. With 5 more. With 7 more. And then the Horde side zergs as well...Rinse. Repeat. It's all pretty pointless, disruptive, and expensive. Hell, I can't even loot a goddamn corpse to help to support the costs.

The only purpose is for one side to go "I ownz joo" for 10 minutes, then it's over. "Owning" people is not good enough as far as I'm concerned. I want their bases and I want their shit. When I beat their asses, I want to make it harder for them to come back....But that'll never happen.

And like I said, in the same amount of time that I've invested here, I'd be at least 50 already with situational armor and weapons to spare on a PvE server. You can't really blame me.

I never really thought of PVP as more than what I'd play if I was playing CS: a distraction and a chance to be competitive with people.  WoW has provided this to a P if you ask me.

Yeah, I could see how that's all cool. In the BG's, that is, where you mainly get your fun (and which I can get on a PvE server as well).

Outside a BG, it'd be a different story. In CS, you're not fighting a mixmatch of different leveled players + mobs all at the same time. And in CS or a BG, you have specific goals (whether that be capture the flag, protect and defend hostages, etc..).

In non instanced WoW PvP, you've got mobs, no clear goals, no temporary "flags" to hold to push an enemy back, etc.. Most importantly: No risk (i.e. the chance of losing a zone, losing loot, or losing rep, for example) to make some players keep themselves in check. It's just a bunch of silly, unending battles (without a real, world affecting "war") that are for the most part, not about testing one's competitive ability, but about testing their patience (and I'll admit freely: What I may have in skill, I lack in patience).

[edit] Btw, if y'all like it, I'm not knockin' ya. That's fine. It's just that this is sort of a rant site and I'm umm....ranting.  :wink:

This is why I wish death was somewhat more painful....People can just come back too quickly.

Also, Hillsbrad is a joke. Alliance goes there at around 30, but Horde around 20. Good job Blizzard.

Alliance has 2 quests in hillsbrad.  TWO.  Only reason they hang around is to kill hordies.  Best bet is just do what I do, run instances, get lewtz.

Well, that's kind of misleading. There's 2 in Hillsbrad and several that involve Alterac Mtns. , I can think of 4 or 5 right off the top of my head. They're all out of Southshore, though, so they run up and down in front of TM a LOT.  They do have significantly less than the Horde, and they are all 30-35+ quests, though.. so yay stupidesign.

Stray, get your ass back in the game. We'll get you your 40 tusks, plus I have a crapton of great rage potions to give you and Palehorn.

Cheddar - "Arzhel" Undead Rogue, level 8

Cheddars buddy - "Urmine" Undead Warrior, Level 5

Obviously we will be going up in levels fast due to our noob stature.  I hope there is not a crazy decline in levelling after 20 like on other games. 

Anyone in the guild can invite you. Send Paxx (MrHat) or Shadowfallen (SuperPopTart) a /tell since they have been on plenty lately.

Eh...just tried. I'm one bar from 33, so I figured I'd ding real quick. The minute I venture out, I get jumped by a 40 paladin and corpse camped. /logged off in ghost mode

Hmm..It's simply not worth my time. Sorry, man.

What are you talking about Stray? Getting ganked by someone seven levels above you and corpse camped is how you spell fun.

I'd rather work at McDonald's.

Seriously man, you have a knack for trying to level in the worst zones.  You were in STV.  You're not going to find peaceful leveling there, especially solo.  I feel for you, but you have to know better by now that some zones have more high level alliance in them than others.

I've found the only times it's relatively safe in Stranglegank Vale is very early in the morning (3-5am Pacific). I actually got some quests completed in the zone this morning.

Heh, just to clarify: I wasn't really planning on lvling. I logged in only to send some stuff out to people. Then I noticed I was only 1 bar from 33, with a blue/rest bonus at that. So I said, "Ah hell, I'll kill a raptor or two and ding". So I got to a 36 raptor, we're both down halfway on health, and a 40 pally jumps me. Dead and corpse camped (and when I ran back, there were even more lvl 40's standing there on top of mounts).

As for being in STV: I have the Whirlwind Axe Quest. It's a Warrior Class Weapon quest that, for all intents or purposes, I'm SUPPOSED to do. That I NEED to do (seeing that it hits as hard some lvl 40 axes). It's NOT some bullshit quest that merely awards me 40 silver or whatever. It's not worth passing on.

I tried once with Shockeye the other night, and we were wiped. He was lvl 36. We won a fight, but some fucking dwarves in the area just kept multiplying.

And that, to me, is fucking ridiculous --- This Quest is soloable on a PvE server at lvl 30.
 

So now you have some added challenge and you're going to need some more of your guildies to back you up.  You have to earn this Axe rather than just being able to solo something that, as you say hits as hard as some lv. 40 axes.  I don't know what your quest entails but I'll be more than happy to give you a hand with it now that I'm in your level range.

You said in game that if you were playing on the PVE server you'd probably be 50 already.  I'll say in advance that I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if your big problem here is that you'd rather play on easy mode where you can level as fast as possible, and solo your quests, then go do it.  Personally, I bypassed Hillsbrad completely and I plan on doing that as much as possible with STV as well.  I enjoy the occasional PVP I've found in some of the other areas.  It hasn't always been perfectly balanced, but it's been surpisingly close the majority of the time.

Having cleaned out most of my STV quests, there was a bit more fun worrying that you might get jumped or being the one doing the jumping when someone was in the spot you needed to be.

Well, it isn't that I want easy mode. I just want to "play". And being that it's an mmo, I like to have my efforts and time rewarded (I get nothing out of winning PvP fights, so I find it a complete waste of time for now).

Also, you've got to understand: I haven't been playing this for a year, like most of you have. I haven't seen much of anything in this game. I want to absorb it all in -- I don't care to be forced into some "other" game that reaps ZERO benefits.

EDIT: Oh yeah, as for acquiring the axe being "challenging": Well, there's 3 parts to it. Get 8 Liferoot (done), 30 Bloodscalp Tusks (soloable at 30, but the reason for my woes atm), and lastly, I have to kill a bunch of these Elemental mob thingys (lvl 37 mobs, I think) and a lvl 40 boss. The last part is plenty challenging, I think. I don't really care for having to fight a bunch of lvl 40 retarded dwarves on top of that. *Sorry* I guess I just don't have what it takes  :roll:.

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My attempt at RP was refuted!

Sometimes you guys scare me. 

I got a Warlock to level 9 now also, almost 10.  I love my rogue but do not want the level spread to get to vast between my friend and I.  I figure I can tinker with my pet guy (oooh pets in this game are the bestest ever) whenever I want.  Its kinda nice playing a MMORPG that is, you know, fun.  But odd.

Er, what the fuck is that all about ?

I am in such a fucking rut.

Gota love RPers, they are all high and mighty about staying "IC" until you actually RP them a situation they cant han dle, then its all down hill... or uphill I guess, if you find this shit funny like most of us here do.

There are RPers on our server?

Bonegnasher was the one arr peeing, right?

Ya but he was like 'on da phone with da girlfriend'.

I found hillsbrad and stranglethorn to be great fun when I rolled on my current server as it opened. The thing is though... it was the holidays for us so we were right up there in levels. Judging by an ex-guildy of mine who rerolled on maelstrom being 60 and geared in LBRS drops already you guys are not up there so much. Being behind the curve on a new PVP server is just asking for trouble... :(

Can any high levels help a friend and I through a lower level elite quest?  Its called "Assault on Fenris Island,"  and comes complete with a level 24 elite boss.  If you can I will be in the game as Arzhel.  Also we would be proud to join the F13 branch of the guild in WoW!  Just toss me an invite.

Ill be on until 11pm EST at the very least; various other times this weekend as my addiction dictates! 

Thanks!

You should mention it's a Horde quest in Silverpine Forest (undead lands) you get after two or three initial quests. Dunno if it can be shared with someone who hasn't done those initial ones.

Good point.  It takes place in Silverpine, and basically a boss on Fenris island needs a good ol fashioned dirt nap.  Stray was working on getting this quest on his character also (we helped him through the first 3 parts), and hopefully we can find someone benevolent enough to kill the boss and his guards for us.  The reward is a sword that I yearn for very badly!

Make sure ya do the severed head quest there too. Nets ya some decent loot if I recall correctly.

I need to finish that quest myself. There are lots and lots of mobs in that damn castle.

Of course, my computer crapped out on me this weekend, so I probably won't be on much this week.

Merusk walked us through the assault quest; was a blast!  Thanks again go to Merusk.  Urmine and I tackled the head quest, and I can help whomever needs assistance with it.  I can also help with assault, but we would need more firepower then what Urmine and I can offer.  If anyone needs help with quests level 20 or lower in Silverpine or Tirigal (sp?) just let me know; I am all about helping others!  Also Urmine and I can use any donations of wool that people do not want.  I could use leather stuff as well.

FYI,
Arzhel and Urmine are now level 20. 

Arzhel = 120+ Smithy
Urmine = 130+ Alchemy

I have the head... brought it back to Org with me because I didn't read the quest and didn't know his grave was somewhere on the island.  I need to go back, so I'll help out anybody that needs to hit the island.  It didn't seem to be the least bit difficult, I guess they nerfed the boss levels or something?  I was able to two-man it when I was around 25.

---SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER---




If done right you do not run into bosses.  Basically you go find his body, which is inside the walls of the keep in the Northeast sector.  Then you simply Go into the house, stick westish as you go up the stairs, and eventually find the shelf.  Urmine and I did it together at 19 ish, and accept for my untimely death (I blame the beer) things went fairly smoothly.  If you want I can help you with it tonight, say around 1100 EST or so.  Or tomorrow.

I'm not worried about the boss.  We killed him pretty easily.  The thing was that I clicked off of head's quest description without reading it (again, probably because of the beer), and need to go back to finish it.  :-D

I'm out.   I've fallen too far behind the curve, and when you've been avoiding logging in to the pvp server for a week because you can't pay attention 100% of the time in the contested zones you just aren't ready for the pvp servers.  Sucks, because it was fun.

I'll send my stuff around later today when more folks are on to say if they want it or not.

AoE or Civ4?

Which one do you want me to kick your ass in?

[edit] I'm an editing mofo.

What I mean is, us refugees should get some fun strategy multiplayer battles goin'.... I'm still undecided on what to get first though. For the first time, I'm actually considering RTS over turn based.

Damn that sucks that you both left.  Oh well I shall poor some of my fourty for my homeys.

Same feeling here Merusk.  I'm barely able to even play my PvE chars either.

OK, tell me where I'm wrong here, because this only based on first impressions:

Server dilemma....

PvE Servers -- Easy lvling to 60. An attractive idea. After that though, everything becomes a maniacal hunt for blues and epics.....And after that (if you're lucky), there's nothing left to do but twiddle your thumbs, wait in queue, wait for "weekly scheduled" pvp conflicts, roll another class, or just wander around noob towns and show off your epic mount (and believing that anyone actually gives a fuck).

PvP Servers -- Your're pretty much barred from even soloing after lvl 30 (maybe earlier). You get fuck all done on even the simplest of quests, and have to have a guild full of people who've got their shit together (and most importantly, willing to help you). ABSOLUTELY NO ONE in the guild can be "casual" (that is, if they want to see anything resembling "success").

After that is said and done, it's the same story with raiding and acquiring loot as on the PvE servers.....For a while at least (and again, if you're lucky). Then after that, World PvP (something you wouldn't be able to do on a PvE server) is now a somewhat appealing idea.

But alas.....World PvP carries no far reaching consequences either. People still go to BG's for the most part --- And in turn, people still wait in queue for 2 or more hours, twiddle their thumbs, wander around noob towns, or decide to roll another class.

As an added benefit: Expect many of your fellow players to be migrants from EQ --- Enforcing all their biases and understandings of that game on to this game.

So anyways....Maybe it's a shallow understanding, I don't know. From what I can deduce so far though, there is no room for me in WoW (even if I wanted it....which I don't).

[edit] Crap. Heh, that last half was me in /rant mode. Apologies.

I have not been able to spend much time on my PvP characters because I'm 7/8 through Giantstalker on my MC raiding hunter on ER, so I have a fair time commitment there, what with MC, making cash for repairs for MC, Onyxia and enjoying the AB, Silithus and other recently added level 60 content. However, I'll say this - I have lowbies on Tichondrius, Mannoroth (old servers) and Maelstrom (newish RP-PvP) and find that the gankage in lower level lands decreases with age of server. If you want to solo more often on a PvP server, I would go to one where the thrill of low level ganking has mostly been supplanted by the chase of epic loot and battlegrounds for many high level characters. You'll still get PvP from time to time, but it tends to be other people in your level range, often ungrouped themselves.

I see what you're saying. I've noticed that too (or rather, I've have had that pointed out to me before). It's funny that a server like say, Archimonde, is actually pretty tame on gankage. These were the servers that some people feared were going to turn into hellholes.

Though this speaks of another set of problems. The server is established. Everyone's moved on to more bigger, badder things. Even if a new player did get a smooth ride to 60, akin to a PvE server, they're definitely not going to be in the same category (or needing/desiring to hunt in the same areas/instances) as the people who've already been 60 for a year or so. And rightfully so....

But that also stinks.

Keeping up with the Joneses wouldn't be as important on a PvE server maybe, but my guess is that it'd be crucial for PvP. Starting late on an established server sounds like a bad idea. I really wouldn't know though.

I've said it before.

I like PvP servers because I can kill that paladin that is leveling in the same area as me.

Nothing wrong with that. I hate rogues and hunters myself. Even those on my own side.  :-)

It'd be nice though that when you did kill them, they lost their ability to come back so soon (and with so many friends at that).

But that's all beside the point, I'm just talking about what kind of preparations one would need for different types of servers. PvP AND PvE.

There's actually no great reason besides swinging around a hefty e-peen for keeping up with the Joneses on any server. There's enough to PvP in WoW where knowing how to best use your characters tends to beat out gear, twitch and addons more often than not. I'm certainly not God's gift to PvP, but I can beat better equipped people very easily in some cases (even with my largely green & blue equipped characters), and have a tough time against better combatants with really mediocre gear. There are people out there that cheat effectively, that macro attacks, that have full sets of epic gear and weapons that do so much damage that you just cant be on the same playing field. But they just dont figure into your every day experience at all. You come across them and think "yow, neat gear/twitch/hax, just think how good they could be if they didnt just spam moonfire all day".

Yrah, actually the skill level on Emerald as far as PvP is pretty damn tame.  Except for getting schooled by a crazy mage person I have pretty much held my own.  Case in point; a Druide started stalking Urmine and I.  We figured "What the hell" and started fighting back, and actually knocked him down to a sliver of health (he turned tail and ran).  He was level 39.  I have 2 honor points now, and both are from people at least 5 levels above me.  This is not to say I have not died to others, but it is not as bad as what people have complained of. 

I don't how many times I've said it, but I didn't die that much on ED either! By the time I quit, I pretty much soloed my entire way to the mid 30's, and had perhaps 60 or so private kills (like 70 something total), and I had yet to step on to the BG's. When I did die, it was almost exclusively from being outnumbered. Besides that, Paladins were guaranteed a kill (if I didn't get away), and Hunters and Priests always gave me a tough fight.

Just because I'm complaining about the PvP doesn't mean I lacked the skill to do it. I get tired of this line of argument. As far as I'm concerned, I would have been recognized as one of the better Warriors on that server if I stuck it out (I'm just saying...I could care less really).

I'm not complaining about dying. I'm complaining about even the possibility of it. I don't care if "live" either!. I wouldn't give a shit if I won against 8 people by blowing lightning bolts out of my ass and aoeing them for 50,000 dmg. It's the fact that they wasted "my" time in the game. I don't pay to please them. I pay to please myself (what a novel idea). I've thought long and hard about it (and have done my fair share of the opposite), but I'll never come to another conclusion about PvP in leveling based games again. We talk about lvl 60's vs lvl 60's, and it may be a different story.

Anyways...All that being said, I disagree, I think the ganking is bad. Emerald Dream is a lot of PvE and RP migrants, I think. They're a kid in a candy store as far as world PvP goes.

Yeah, I didn't quit because the ganking was bad. It's just damned annoying.  I don't have the time to deal with it and can't be bothered to.  It's not about skill, it's about having to run back to my corpse after every 5th kill because some jackass ganks me at 5% health.  Or having to move on to a different area because the Alliance folks brought-in a few ?? to "even the fight" or brought-back 5 or 6 more after I beat their ass down.   It's a waste of my time.

My fun comes from social interaction and character building.  While I enjoy PvP it actually detracts from both of those goals in WoW.  You can't socialize if you're looking over your shoulder, and you can't focus on character building if you're always having to determine which is Uber rather than which is enjoyable.   It's just not for me. *shrug*

FYI, I was not talking about any one individual.  It was just that I was prepared for something that has not started yet.  Left and I right I see discussion about Hillsgank and whatnot; I have yet to see it, even during peak times. 

I submit the argument that mindless pve is a waste of my game time.

Ah yes....Which is why I've decided to quit mmo's totally.  :-D

Especially this type of mmo (I still might have room in my heart for Puzzle Pirates at least).

All of these other issues were just a springboard that lead to that.

[edit] Is your computer Battlefield ready yet?

It is and has been a while now.  Can't bring myself to spend 50 bucks on that game when I am currently having plenty of fun with WoW/BW2/CS:S.

Well, you did mention CS, but...

What I was getting at was:

What is it that makes you stick with a game that is 97% "mindless pve" just to play in 3 battlegrounds (something I presume that you wouldn't consider mindless), but then, turn around and consider another "battleground" game, with more than 3 maps, just as many players at a time, absolutely 0% mindless pve, to be a waste of $50?

Not only that, but you also mentioned your liking for killing Paladins in an area.....Just so you can have the mindless PvE all to yourself.

Honest question. I'm not attacking you for anything, and I'm not trying to "convert" you to Battlefield. I'm just askin'. It's not even directed only at you, for that matter, but to people who say they're "PvP'ers" in general. There are quite a few "hardcore" PvP guilds who admit that they play for both PvE AND PvP, and that I do understand. This I don't.

Is it because it's "fantasy" themed? Uses RPG combat mechanics, and you prefer that over twitch? Persistency?

In other words, I can't figure out why anyone would want to play a predominately PvE game except for the fact that they like it.

Hey there guys, long time no see.

I managed to waste my hard drive and I won't be able to replace it at least for some weeks.

Posting from work might be possible, playing is not.

See you in game in a few weeks (if the guild survives that long)  :evil:

Because that mindless PvE is fun sometimes.  I really don't play games to think.

See above.  I played on a PvE server a few times.  The reason I stopped each time was because it wasn't warcrafty enough.  There should be no reason I can't kill that guy when I see him in the name of the Horde.

To answer your last 3 questions.  Yes, Yes, and Sometimes.


I'm not sure what yer entire point here is other than the fact that you seem burnt on all MMOR's right now and are venting your thoughts 'out loud'.

Ummm...Partly yeah. Where are we again? Definitely not a Blizzard fanboi site (I think). Not even an MMORPG fanboi site (I think). I thought it'd be OK to post it.

But it's not totally my point. Many people who like PvP say a lot of the same things about PvE. They've been using the term "mindless PvE" for years now. And if there's so many that have been saying it for so long, then I wonder why they don't....Play games with more PvP in them. Also, I wonder why, if there's so many, why haven't developers recognized it and catered to them? Surely such a game with class and combat based mechanics, without leveling, and only PvP would be a hit (that is, if that's what these players truly want).

The same reason you get level 99 on your characters on Nintendos Final Fantasy series. 

It has been proven time and again that people do not want balanced PvP in MMORPGs.  For me PvP is an added challenge to an existing platform.  Really I see the Alliance people as smarter (well, not always) mobs, kinda along the same lines as that Elite level 24 in Silverpine who wanders around killing lowbies without warning.  Except with players I can fight back and win sometimes (still surprised about taking people out that are 5+ levels from me!).


Edit.  Added stuffs.

Major difference between mobs though: They give me stuff when I kill them.

I would still be messing around with that game, and dealing with intrusion, if I got to loot corpses or help take over contested land. Or something. All of the sudden, the PvP is fine way to balance out the rest of my activities, and not a waste of my game time. All of the sudden, it's not an instrusion at all. It's welcomed.

I haven't been on much because of Rome: TW - Barbarian Invasion, but I'm not burned out on ED at all, nor do I feel compelled to try keep up with everybody.  I don't really like soloing that much -- possibly because I'm a Priest -- so being forced to group in a PvP server really isn't an issue for me.  In fact, it has two advantages over PvE that I wasn't expecting:

1)  People are more or less "forced" to group after level 20 (more like 30 for alliance, which is bullshit, but whatever).  Makes it very easy to find a group.

2)  People do most of their xp grinding in instances, which means everybody needs to be in the proper level range as to not gimp xp.  This was almost unheard of on ER -- there was always at least one uber person that baby sat.

Although I prefer grouping with guildies and people I know, PUGs haven't been hard to find at all, and I haven't seen the usual asshatery associated with PUGs, either.  In other words, there's not the danger of falling too far behind and being left in the dust.

Looks like I won't be playing for a while either.  Not because I'm having any problems with the game, but the BG's have been pretty dead on this server lately and pretty much non-existant for the 50+ crowd which I was slowly approaching.  I find myself logging on and doing small tasks since I never know when I'm going to get into the BG.  Sometimes it's a few minutes, sometimes it's a couple hours.  I could go back to leveling, but it looks like all the 50+'s do is instance raids which doesn't appeal to me.

Gimmie yer cash so I can get a mount.

Cheddar was roaming the wilds and I figured I should share these maps so the rest of us don't get lost

http://whalebait.com/cavalry/images/kalimdorcont.jpg

http://whalebait.com/cavalry/images/easterncont.jpg

Pretty!

A good map is Art.

Thank you sir!

Good stuff - one of the more complete atlas I've seen.

Nice maps.

I must also announce that my new computer is here, so I can finally return! HURRAH!

Glad to hear you will be officially gaming on the intardweb once more sir!  We look forward to your presence.

FYI the rumors about me are not true.  Well, mostly are not true.  You need any weapons made for your rogue?  Lemme know I love to SMITH!