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Title: Something Awful in PayPal Land
Post by: Shockeye on September 05, 2005, 09:21:01 AM
Quote from: BetaNews
PayPal Blocks Hurricane Relief Funds (http://www.betanews.com/article/PayPal_Blocks_Hurricane_Relief_Funds/1125880826)
By Nate Mook, BetaNews
September 4, 2005, 8:40 PM

It's no secret that the widespread destruction of Hurricane Katrina was exacerbated by delayed relief efforts, but the latest victims of bureaucracy are those individuals simply trying to help out. Humor site Something Awful raised almost $28,000 in less than 9 hours - right up until PayPal froze the funds.

Something Awful's dedicated community may call themselves "goons," but they have historically been quick to respond when needed. The site previously raised $22,000 to fund armor plating for soldiers in Iraq. And the disaster unfolding in New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf coast was no exception.

With its main Web servers located in downtown New Orleans and offline due to flooding, Something Awful founder Rich Kyanka asked visitors to donate to the Red Cross from a temporary page explaining the situation.

"Some people are emailing me, asking if they can donate to SA to help with our server move and downtime and temporary hosting and stuff. Don't worry about us, we'll be fine," Kyanka wrote. "If you really want to make a difference, donate to the SA Red Cross Relief Fund link above. They need it more than we do."

Unable to take credit card payments directly due to his site being down, Kyanka set up a PayPal account specifically to handle the effort. Donations poured in at a rate of almost $3,900 per hour - an astounding number from any perspective.

That is, until PayPal shut down Something Awful's donation account late Saturday evening. Because PayPal's customer support was closed for the night, Kyanka was unable to discover why $27,695.41 in Red Cross relief funds were locked. PayPal's automated system explained that it had received "more than one report of suspicious behavior from your buyers."

In the interim, Something Awful directed visitors to donate directly to the Red Cross. Kyanka said he originally setup Something Awful's own fund so he could send free merchandise such as hats and t-shirts to those who donated.

Explaining the situation on Something Awful's temporary Web site, Kyanka exploded: "It's not me you're hurting; it's the thousands of goddamn people with no homes, no money, and no hope fleeing a burning, flooded wasteland they used to call "home." I wasn't going to take a single cent of the donations, unlike PayPal, who decides that when people send money to help victims survive a national disaster, their company should still make over 2.35% of everything sent in."

Kyanka reached a PayPal customer support agent Sunday morning and was asked to fax in a driver's license, bank records, credit card records, and a written request to unlock the account. He was told it generally takes 3 to 5 business days to process the documents.

Another PayPal representative called Kyanka Sunday afternoon, offering to help resolve the problem. However, she also delivered some bad news: PayPal was unable to directly donate to the Red Cross. Due to prior agreements, the United Way is PayPal's relief organization of choice.

After initially agreeing to the charity swap, members of the Something Awful community questioned the United Way's record. And with no word of when the donations would be freed, Kyanka contacted PayPal and "asked them to refund everybody's money."

"All I tried to do was raise money and personally reward people for donating in a time of need, and it turned into a smoldering, twisted, burning car wreck along the highway. I'm beyond apologetic this did not work out the way I planned, but the pure hassle PayPal has given me trying to raise money just isn't worth it, especially when it could take over a week for the money to be unfrozen," Kyanka wrote in a final update.

"Please donate using the Red Cross link up top. I can't send you guys any free stuff, but I promise I'll sit here in my basement with the lights off, drinking a beer by myself and thinking of you."

I hope no one here has donated money through PayPal expecting it to go to the Red Cross.


Title: Re: Something Awful in PayPal Land
Post by: HaemishM on September 05, 2005, 12:41:25 PM
Wow, that sets all new records in douchebaggery.


Title: Re: Something Awful in PayPal Land
Post by: Azaroth on September 05, 2005, 01:48:36 PM
By the way, this hasn't ACTUALLY been resolved yet and it may not be.

http://www.azaroth.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=956


Title: Re: Something Awful in PayPal Land
Post by: Strazos on September 05, 2005, 05:10:17 PM
Thankfully, I don't actually keep any money with PayPal, I just use them for when I buy something that doesn't accept my credit card straight-up, such as Ebay.


Title: Re: Something Awful in PayPal Land
Post by: Trippy on September 05, 2005, 06:03:57 PM
I don't understand PayPal's solution to this problem but then again I never understood how PayPal could possibly exist without being regulated like any other financial institution. So they were willing to forgo their "rigorous background check" to transfer the money to the charity of *their* choice but they weren't willing to do the same to unlock the account so Kyanka could get the money out so he could give it to the Red Cross? Huh? They seem to be saying it's okay to be a fraud if you are willing to give that money to the United Way.


I hope no one here has donated money through PayPal expecting it to go to the Red Cross.
That shouldn't be a problem as long as the PayPal account doesn't get locked like Kyanka's did. You apparently can't PayPal money directly to the Red Cross but people who have been collecting money in their PayPal accounts who then transfer that money to their bank accounts to write a check to the Red Cross are fine (again as long as the account doesn't get locked) which is presumably what Kyanka was going to do.



Title: Re: Something Awful in PayPal Land
Post by: Morfiend on September 05, 2005, 06:31:37 PM
I have $9 in my Pay-Pal account, and a credit card on file with an expired Experation Date. I dont plan on renewing my account after reading all that shit.


Title: Re: Something Awful in PayPal Land
Post by: WayAbvPar on September 06, 2005, 09:32:46 AM
Yeah, methinks I am done with Paypal as well.


Title: Re: Something Awful in PayPal Land
Post by: voodoolily on September 07, 2005, 05:03:53 PM
Instead of simply not using PayPal or cancelling accounts, everyone should email them and tell them why you're pulling out. It's what I'm gonna do.


Title: Re: Something Awful in PayPal Land
Post by: Samprimary on September 08, 2005, 05:32:41 AM
I didn't use Paypal, so I had to go out and find some friends who used Paypal for commissioned works, and got them to quit.