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Title: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Shockeye on August 29, 2005, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: iAfrica
Man raped by women 'traumatised' (http://iafrica.com/news/sa/476786.htm)
Sat, 27 Aug 2005

The family of a man who was allegedly raped by three women say he is so traumatised that he won't speak a word to anyone.

"He isn't all right. We are trying to talk to him but he is not saying anything. We are just trying to sort things out," Michelle, the 30-year-old rape victim's sister-in-law, told Sapa on Friday.

West Rand police spokesperson Captain Paula Nothnagel said the man, who cannot be named because he is a rape victim, was raped at gunpoint by three women, between the ages of 30 and 36.

A case of indecent assault had been opened.

The women approached him in a maroon BMW and asked him to get in and direct them to the Savoy Hotel in Roodepoort.

After a drink, they decided to go to the Station Hotel, but on the way there the women changed direction and drove toward a field near Durban Deep Mine.

One of the women produced a firearm and held him at gunpoint, ordering him to undress.

The women then undressed and took turns raping him, before forcing him back into the car and dropping him off on Main Reef Road in Roodepoort.

Nothnagel said the man reported the incident to the police.

"He was very traumatised and the investigating officer took him to the hospital and organised counselling for him," she said.

She told Sapa that the man had undergone HIV testing at Leratong Hospital and that he would be receiving counselling on Monday.

She dismissed reports that the man had been treated cruelly by policemen because he had been raped by women.

"They are trained to handle these sorts of things," she said.

The victim was only able to identify one of the women, of whom an identikit was drawn up.

She is described as a Zulu speaking woman who wears her hear backward in a ponytail, is of slender build and about 1.65m tall.

She was wearing black denim pants, a pink T-shirt, a black leather jacket and a black baseball cap.

Police were however no closer to making any arrests.

Lisa Vetten, Gender Programme manager at the Centre for the Study of Violence and Reconciliation, said that while the key issue in rape was one of consent, the current legal definition of rape had a lot of gaps.

Rape was defined as the intentional unlawful sexual intercourse with a women without her consent.

"This doesn't recognise that men can also be raped, whether by other men or by women," she said.

"It also doesn't recognise when women are sodomised or raped with objects such as sticks, bottles and knives, and it doesn't recognise female on female sexual assault."

These were all treated as indecent assault.

One of the implications for this man was that even if his alleged rapists were caught and brought to justice, the presiding officer would have complete discretion when it came to sentencing.

"There is no guideline set out for sentencing in indecent assault. Rape has a minimum sentence of 15 years," said Vetten.

The fact that a man had been raped by women would make no difference in the prosecution as the prosecutor would still have to show all the elements of a crime of indecent assault.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Sky on August 29, 2005, 11:09:11 AM
Back in my day we called that "saturday night".


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Strazos on August 29, 2005, 12:59:18 PM
But I want pictures of these offenders.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Furiously on August 29, 2005, 03:21:54 PM
$10 says it is better in your imagination.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 29, 2005, 04:37:59 PM
$10 says it is better in your imagination.

$10 and a dog-eared copy of National Geographic, that is.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Llava on August 29, 2005, 06:22:17 PM
"It also doesn't recognise when women are sodomised or raped with objects such as sticks, bottles and knives, and it doesn't recognise female on female sexual assault."

Yeah... thanks for those examples.  It wasn't a disturbing enough image without you suggesting it be done with a knife.  Great.

It'd unfortunate that this sort of thing isn't taken as seriously.  I've got a friend it happened to, he doesn't think it's funny.

No, I don't know the details of it.  He doesn't like to discuss it much and I can't blame him- wouldn't expect a woman to go into detail about it either.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Shockeye on August 30, 2005, 10:22:37 AM
Police released a picture of the victim.

(http://www.nndb.com/people/456/000027375/jim-j-bullock.jpg) (http://www.jumpingtheshark.com/t/toocloseforcomfort.htm)


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: jinxer on August 30, 2005, 10:25:54 AM
Ok ok.  I have a question for all you men, since I have no idea how this works, but........don't you kind of have to..um... want to have sex before you can actually do it??

oh ya, and I've been sick for a really long time, so i've been scarce around here.....i've missed you all terribly.   j/k


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Bunk on August 30, 2005, 11:10:27 AM
Just kidding about being sick, or missing us?

Um, well, um - I guess theoretically you could get a involuntary reaction down there with proper stimulation. I'm guessing it was more a case of crazy Zulu woman shouting "Get a boner our I'll shoot your balls off, bitch!" or something like that.

Generally though a guy has to make some sort of mental effort. Despite common belief by many women - guys do not automatically get boners in the presence of attractive women. Otherwise, it would be rather embarassing for me in my photography class, shooting well endowed 17 year old girls.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Cheddar on August 30, 2005, 11:19:45 AM
Ok ok.  I have a question for all you men, since I have no idea how this works, but........don't you kind of have to..um... want to have sex before you can actually do it??

oh ya, and I've been sick for a really long time, so i've been scarce around here.....i've missed you all terribly.   j/k

No.  Not to go too much into details, but I find reaching an arousal state, or semi state, easy.  It can be annoying, but at least I do not need any of those spam ads that I see in my hotmail box.  And hopefully I never will.  So yes, technically a man can be raped by a woman.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: jinxer on August 30, 2005, 11:48:02 AM
Just kidding about being sick, or missing us?


I really was sick.   ;)

And thanks for clearing that up for me.  If I was a guy and didn't want to get raped I'd just think about big fat chicks with saggy boobies and say "Sorry, I just can't seem to get it up."  /shrugs


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Shockeye on August 30, 2005, 11:49:27 AM
Just kidding about being sick, or missing us?


I really was sick.   ;)

And thanks for clearing that up for me.  If I was a guy and didn't want to get raped I'd just think about big fat chicks with saggy boobies and say "Sorry, I just can't seem to get it up."  /shrugs

The problem with that image is that there still are boobies in it.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: jinxer on August 30, 2005, 11:51:20 AM
LoL.  Ok, there's the difference between me and you guys.  The boobies I want to touch have to look good.  :P

Ahh, it's good to be back.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Shockeye on August 30, 2005, 11:52:51 AM
LoL.  Ok, there's the difference between me and you guys.  The boobies I want to touch have to look good.  :P

Ahh, well... beggars can't be choosers.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Strazos on August 30, 2005, 01:46:55 PM
Yes, Involuntary Erections are inconvienent.


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Der Helm on August 30, 2005, 03:23:09 PM
Involuntary Erections
Fun stuff to google for, thank you
(http://home.online.no/~franholm/dimmu/pictures24/images/I%20got%20erection_jpg.jpg)


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: Sky on August 31, 2005, 06:27:48 AM
Is that the name of their band?


Title: Re: I don't think they really had to point the gun at hm.
Post by: stray on August 31, 2005, 06:50:34 AM
Erections aside, I could see how a guy could be traumatized by rape in terms of being humiliated/controlled/overpowered. Which is the same thing female victims go through really. I mean, rape is more about that than it is about sex.

In a man's case, especially in a society like his, having your sense of pride/power/ego taken away from you is a low blow (not to say that female victims aren't any less humiliated...But you know what I'm saying).