Title: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on August 20, 2005, 02:03:50 PM ESPN wouldn't counter the contract offer from Outdoor Life Network, so now OLN is the national provider for NHL matchups. Also, I don't even know if the cable operators are offering NHL Center Ice anymore after last year's lockout. If they don't, well, I may never get to see a decent hockey matchup again.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Yegolev on August 20, 2005, 02:10:09 PM Ridiculous yet fitting. I get OLN. Never watched it.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Merusk on August 20, 2005, 07:27:18 PM Probably because ESPN had to do without hocky for a year and realized that they made more money without having to pay the broadcast fees than they did from ads. The lockout hurt Pro Hocky in more ways than just fan sentiment and lost revenues, it would seem.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on August 20, 2005, 07:32:13 PM I think that's true, for the regular season at least. ESPN simply can't support the costs. However, I would expect them to pick up the playoffs this season. The deal with OLN only runs through the regular season games.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on August 20, 2005, 11:20:59 PM But...I should still be able to get all my home-team games on my local provider, right?
Back in the day, you had to order a channel called Prism to get all of the Flyers' games. I'll kill someone if I have to fork out money for some channel that I don't even get in my room, in order to watch my games. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Shockeye on August 22, 2005, 04:01:25 AM Comcast attempted to buy Disney/ESPN (http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/11/news/companies/comcast_disney/) last year. That did not go well, so now they are trying to build their own sports programming empire.
Quote from: Media Week Comcast/OLN Eyes ESPN's MLB Rights (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001018603) August 22, 2005 By John Consoli Like a hungry shark circling its prey, Comcast and its Outdoor Life Network, now referred to as OLN, is continuing its low-key but determined move to take a bite out of cable sports kingpin ESPN. Not only did it snatch away cable rights for the National Hockey League for the next several years last week, but now Comcast/OLN has set its sights on landing Major League Baseball’s Sunday-Wednesday-night cable package, the rights to which expire at the end of the current season. That package also includes the MLB All-Star Game home run derby telecast, which produced hefty one-night ratings for ESPN this season. “Baseball is the bedrock of ESPN’s summer programming,” said one rival sports network executive. “There is so much baseball and very little other programming to replace it with during the summer. Hockey can be replaced by running more college basketball, but Comcast could deliver a severe body blow to ESPN if it can steal away these baseball rights.” ESPN does have the Tuesday-Thursday MLB TV rights through the end of the 2006 season, which also includes the MLB division playoff games that Fox does not air. That package was obtained when ESPN parent Disney acquired Fox Family Channel (now ABC Family) and is currently valued at $100 million. ESPN is also currently paying $141.5 million per year for the Sunday-Wednesday rights package. Sources familiar with the negotiations believe they have been delayed and slowed by ESPN’s efforts to gain broadband and cellular phone rights, among other value-added, nontraditional rights, which MLB has been hesitant to give up. “It’s late in the process for negotiations to still be going on” for the Sunday-Wednesday package, a competing network executive said. “It seems like ESPN was playing hardball with MLB and didn’t think there would be any other bidders. Now, they’ve put MLB in the driver’s seat.” The executive added that “for building-block purposes, baseball would be even more important to Comcast than hockey. And having both, plus maybe even the [Thursday-Saturday] NFL package, would give Comcast a year-round presence with major sports.” Another sports exec also questioned why ESPN decided in May to opt out of the final year of its NHL deal for which it would pay $60 million: “Even if ESPN were losing $40 million on the deal, it seems like a reasonable insurance policy to absorb it in order to keep the big bad wolf out of the hen house.” Losing a sizable portion of its MLB rights would present problems for ESPN. In particular, it could cause cable operators to push for a reduction in their subscriber fees and would cost the network significant ad revenue. “ESPN doesn’t need to have coverage of every sport, but it cannot lose coverage of its jewels. Major League Baseball is one of its jewels,” said a rival sports net exec. George Bodenheimer, chairman of ESPN and ABC Sports, acknowledged last week that Comcast and OLN “appear to be setting themselves up as a competitor,” but believes that the competition will push his network to get even better. “Our world is filled with competitors, but the prospects for ESPN have never looked brighter,” he added. “Our brand has never been stronger. We are comfortable with our position in the marketplace.” Bodenheimer said ESPN’s goal is to renew its Sunday-Wednesday package, although he would not comment on where the discussions stand or why a deal isn’t done yet. He also believes ESPN brings lots to the table for MLB. “Baseball Tonight and SportsCenter are the national programs of record for chronicling baseball,” he said. “And we feel we are in the best position to promote baseball.” Chris Tully, senior vp of broadcasting, MLB, also wouldn’t discuss the negotiations or why they have dragged out, but said, “Our challenge is to maximize the value of our national telecast packages from both an economic and promotional perspective. The sports marketplace is changing rapidly, and we’re taking a long-term strategic view. Obviously ESPN is not only a key player in that market but also a longstanding partner of MLB, and our continuing discussions with ESPN have been our primary focus to date.” But sources at MLB said while approving a new deal with ESPN would be a reality if all terms were equal, should another party come in with a more attractive offer, the league would not hesitate to choose that alternative. ESPN’s exclusive negotiating window expired in June, and sources inside and outside of MLB confirmed that TV rights discussions have taken place with Comcast/OLN. Another factor in the negotiations is MLB’s plan to start its own Baseball Channel, possibly before the start of next season. Were Comcast to include a provision to carry the Baseball Channel in any rights offer it proposed, it could be a sweetener that might lure MLB. For its part, Comcast and OLN officials are being careful not to rile ESPN, stating that their only goal is to “grow” OLN’s male audience base where it makes sense. But one sports league exec sees Comcast/OLN becoming a major factor in the sports TV world. “I think they can be a player,” he said. “Not necessarily on the ESPN level, but it doesn’t have to be to have an impact. If I were betting, I would bet that it will be a success story.” While preoccupied with negotiating new TV rights deals, ESPN’s Bodenheimer also has to deal with replacing Mark Shapiro, executive vp of programming and production, who oversaw all ESPN/ABC Sports programming. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Shockeye on August 22, 2005, 04:03:09 AM No, I'm not crazy. (http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2005/07/31/espn_may_soon_have_company/)
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on August 22, 2005, 10:11:00 AM Shit, I didn't even know I had OLN until I found out they got the NHL. Now, I'm happy I do, because I sure wasn't going to watch bass fishing shows on it, but I damn sure wanted my NHL. I just hope they don't regionalize the coverage too much, because I really don't want to see that many damn Predator games, or that they don't buy into ESPN's idea of show 1 game a season that doesn't include either the Rangers, Red Wings, Flyers or Avalanche.
But if Comcast gets baseball? That'll be huge. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Mr_PeaCH on August 22, 2005, 12:00:39 PM OLN is home to a great 'love to hate' show called The Best and Worst of Tred Barta (http://www.olntv.com/nw/article/view/697/?UserDef=true&catID=78) If you have never experienced it I highly urge you to give it a try once. Once may be enough but it is a highly original spin on the more traditional huntin' an fishin' shows.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on August 22, 2005, 12:22:47 PM Haemish I have bad news. The opening OLN game is the Rangers v. Flyers.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: tazelbain on August 22, 2005, 12:54:16 PM The only time I watched OLN was for the Tour.
I'd be cool if they played Hockey outdoors again. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on August 22, 2005, 12:59:56 PM Haemish I have bad news. The opening OLN game is the Rangers v. Flyers. Motherfucking cockbiters. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on August 22, 2005, 02:21:34 PM It's opening night. It's Forsberg.
Did you expect any less? Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on August 22, 2005, 03:03:54 PM It's opening night. It's Forsberg. Did you expect any less? Actually, I expected more. There are 15 matchups on opening day. I'd rather see these games played that day over the Rangers/Flyers. 1) Stars v. Kings 2) Wings v. Blues 3) Coyotes v. Canucks 4) Avalanche v. Oilers 5) Senators v. Leafs 6) Bruins v. Canadiens Any of those are better hockey matchups in my book. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Bunk on August 22, 2005, 03:25:02 PM Straz - this shouldn't affect local coverage in any way.
Interestingly enough,this might actually mean I get to see more NHL games. We get OLN up here, but don't get ESPN because it would compete with TSN and Sportsnet. All I care is that I'll be getting Sportsnet in HD this year, which means Bertuzzi cracking heads (and vertebrae) in hi-resolution goodness. Also, CBC signed Jim Hughson to be the secondary play by play guy, which means him doing lots of Canucks games on CBC in addition to his regular ones on Sportsnet. (Hughson is the best play by play guy in hockey today for those not in the know.) Rangers vs. Flyers in the opening matchup - they should hold a ceremony at centre ice before they game where they burn a big pile of money and pray to thier dark gods... Goddamn I'm itching to watch some hockey. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 22, 2005, 03:52:07 PM Actually, Comcast owns the Flyers - so you'll be seeing a lot of them. Just too bad they replaced ALL of their offense with Forsberg and suddenly everyone thinks they're already drinking out of the cup.
Once Forsberg goes down to injury (He's averaged about 58 games a season the last four years), they're done. What's more is that it'll likely be a career-ending concussion, and they just threw that HUGE contract at him. Look at what happened while he was playing for MoDo last season. Flyers minus ---------------- Recchi (Pittsburgh) Leclair (Pittsburgh) Roenick (Los Angeles) Amonte (Calgary) Zhamov (Boston) + Forsberg Hatcher Rathje DOES NOT FUCKING EQUAL A CUP. I don't understand why everyone is flipping out and overhyping the team. Oh, and I'm elated to see the NHL love on these forums. Here I thought America fucking hated hockey. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Bunk on August 22, 2005, 04:47:08 PM Thank you Az, you actually just made my day brighter.
Canucks are kind of interesting, bucking the trend. They have hardly touched the free agent pool - they signed Jim Park and Anson Carter. On the other hand, they've only lost a # 4 and a #6 defenseman, and have resigned thier entire core of players. Figure one of those defense slots to go to a farm player, and we've got some spare bodies and cap room to trade for another one. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on August 22, 2005, 05:05:35 PM Flyers minus ---------------- Recchi (Pittsburgh) Leclair (Pittsburgh) Roenick (Los Angeles) Amonte (Calgary) Zhamov (Boston) + Forsberg Hatcher Rathje I was disappointed to see Recchi go; He played hard, and produced. Unforutnately, he is 37 years old, and had an inflated contract. LeClair has been worthless for at least 3 years. Cutting him has been long overdue. I liked Roenick, I really did. And he played hard. But again, he had a big contract, and the team needed cap room. He even went along with the trade happily and willingly. Amonte was junk. Zhamnov was getting old too. He put up some nice numbers in the playoffs...but oh well. Forsberg is a huge addition to the team, as are the two defensemen signed. The Flyers had been thin along the blue line for at least 2 years. I really would have liked to se Dejardins go. Also, keep in mind the Flyers have a solid championship-winning farm team in the Phantoms. A few of them are looking to step up to the big team. The way I see it, Clarke cut a lot of fat out of the Salary budget. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 22, 2005, 05:45:18 PM Well, keep in mind that I don't mean to knock the Flyers.
I hate 'em and I think your GM is a tool - but you've been constantly competitive for a very long time, and your fans are passionate.. to say the least. Beyond that, your rivalry with my team (Pittsburgh) is pretty intense when we've both got a good team. HOWEVER. Recchi was your best player and your leading scorer. He may be old now, but he was then too. A year makes little difference, really. He's going to be huge on the ice, and off the ice with our young kids (and we have a god damn stable from the last however many years of high draft picks and trading away our best players, before people fully realized that salary dumps are worth a 9th round pick - for example, when we got three or four prospects, a couple picks and cash for Jammy, my blood was boiling - except Patrick knew what he was doing, really, since today trading Jagr with his fat contract would get you, literally, about a fourth rounder in return - or less). Lecair is over the hill. But he's a big upgrade for our second line. We have Leclair on a (I believe) 1.5 million/year contract. You tell me he's not worth that. Roenick is a mouthpiece, and had a contract that was too large for today's NHL. But he's pretty good, and, since Comcast is going to be pasting the Flyers all over the screen in the US this year, Roenick would have been a good person to have there, just because he's got the maturity of a ten year old and a big fucking mouth. Amonte is junk compared to what he was. But, again, that's a loss that wasn't replaced on the offensive side of things. Okay, Hatcher and Rathje make you better on the backend (except for the loss of Markov, I believe, which I didn't mention). He's experience in the dressing room, he's some offense on the ice. Gone. Bye. Zhamnov, I'm not familiar with for some reason. Probably because he was mired in the shitpile that was Chicago for many years. But what I know of him, he's a tough fucker that throws in the whole 20+ goals a season consistently. What'd you end up doing? You added Forsberg on the offense, alright. He's kinda like Zhamnov, but a huge upgrade. It's kinda like when Pittsburgh missed out on signing Kovalev (which I detest him for), and signed Palffy. Problem is, you watch, Forsberg is gonna get hurt this season. As for the rest? You made up for it with some size on the blueline. But no offense. Catch? They're reducing the size of goalie equipment, taking out the redline, tag up offsides, promising to ruthlessly call clutching and grabbing, whathaveyou. You just made a gamble. And if the NHL makes as much as a shift as they're hoping it will - you're in deep, deep shit. IMHO, the Flyers are so absolutely overrated this season it's ridiculous. So much so that I've taken the time to post about it both here and on Sportsnet. I can't see how people are missing this, but they are. Maybe it's a massive Comcast conspiracy, involving ray guns and mind control. Personally, I think it has to do with a large market becoming encapsulated with with seemingly big moves, while not having the attention span to keep track of their losses at the same time. People are picturing last year PLUS signings. It's just not the case. Know what is? Pittsburgh. Plus Lemieux, if he can stay healthy. Which he god damn well better, so he can mentor Crosby on the ice. If not, Crosby will look to Recchi and maybe Leclair. Not so bad in themselves. Wait until Fleury comes into his own. Cups 4 Pittsburgh. Yeah, I like to gloat about the Penguins. It's been a long god damn time. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 22, 2005, 06:08:11 PM Excuse my various spelling and gramatical errors. I've been drunk for... several days. Well, a few weeks, really. I seem not to be as quick when I've been drinking heavily.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on August 22, 2005, 06:40:49 PM I liked rechhi, I really did....But with the salary cap...
LeClair is over the hill. I would not have minded if the Flyers paid him 1.5m. Unfortunately, his contract with the Flyers was for ~9m. They had no other choice, really. Roenick: Production >>> Image. Offense not being replaced: Bullocks. I don't think they lost a Whole lot...and you're ignoring the farm system. I don't know how well the Penguins' farm team does, but Philly's minor league team is top-notch. They've been looking for an excuse to bring some of them up for years now, and this is a good time to do it. Also, they signed Knuble, who makes up for the production of Roenick/Amonte (more or less). Zhamnov was good...not entirely sure why he was not resigned; he put in a lot of points in the playoffs. Btw, the Flyers made some pointless signings today. Jaime Storr? :roll: Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 22, 2005, 07:01:33 PM I'm sure Jamie Storr is a two way contract. If not, purely a backup. And.. a bad one.
I think you'll be slightly less enamoured with Knuble by the end of the season. And as far as Roenick, I can only share the words of Andre Agassi circa, like, 1986 with you: "Image is everything!" Hahaha. Points if you remember those commercials. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on August 22, 2005, 07:22:15 PM No fair...I was 2/3 years old in 1986.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 22, 2005, 07:27:50 PM Haha, so was I. But I think it was like 1990, and I've seen them since in biographies and such.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on August 23, 2005, 12:58:35 AM By the way, once Roenick retires, he's going straight to broadcasting. He's made for it, in fact. I wonder why he just doesn't quit the game and do it already.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: WayAbvPar on August 23, 2005, 07:48:15 AM I am officially fired up for hockey season- caught Miracle again on HBO last night. Great flick.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on August 23, 2005, 09:54:52 AM I think the Flyers will be good, but again, if their goaltending doesn't stop choking in the playoffs, none of it will matter. And with the proposed rule changes making scoring more prevalent (hopefully), that choking will happen a lot worse. Ask Canuck fans about Cloutier, and you'll see what I mean. I don't think they'll be worse than they were, but I'm not handing them the Cup.
The Penguins, though? That team is poised to make a huge splash, with or without Mario. They were bad, but not nearly so bad as they should have been in 03-04. Those youngsters learned an assload. Tarnstrom has had a year to heal up and he is a top tier defender in my book. All those young scorers being mentored by Recchi and LeClair, as well as Mario? Yeah, they are going to be better than most people give them credit for. Fleury is going to be a good goalie. I think the veteran presence of both Recchi and LeClair pushed the playoff time table for the Pens up at least a year. Meanwhile, my Minnesota Wild have added about jack and shit this year, and lost a few key players like Brunette and Zholtok. /sigh Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on August 23, 2005, 11:12:40 AM Well, my Stars didn't make any shocking moves. We still have Mikey Mo, we still have Guerin, and we still have fireplug Brenden Morrow. If Turco can come out with a stellar season, the division is ours.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on August 23, 2005, 11:50:01 AM I think the Flyers will be good, but again, if their goaltending doesn't stop choking in the playoffs, none of it will matter. To their credit, I blame their early exit from the playoffs last season on 4 things: 1) Injuries out the wazoo. 2) Fatigue from having to play hard against good teams in the previous 2 rounds (Toronto is always a pain in the ass). Who did Tampa play, again? 3) An inability to stop the Tampa PP; That's where the majority of their goals came from. 4) "Vinny"-Fucking-Prospal. I knew it was a bad trade at the time that he was traded from the Flyers. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 23, 2005, 02:04:09 PM Haemish, don't forget our other signings. Recchi and Leclair make us better for sure, but one cannot pass over Palffy, Gonchar and Thibault (Fleury won't be ready for a couple years, that's just how goalies are) when talking about the Pens. We signed Andre Roy for toughness, and I was always a fan of that guy's heart. I would rather have had a real fighter of course, but I've been a fan of Roy since his days in Ottawa.
Oh, and speaking of Ottawa... they just swapped Hossa for Heatly. Brilliant move by the Sens. And back to the Penguins - our team last season was basically made up of our prospects who were the most ready for prime time. Bad season, since Lemieux went down early. Thing is that we went 14-5 (I believe that's accurate) or some god damn thing over the last 19 games. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on August 23, 2005, 02:31:11 PM Yeah, by the end of the season, you could tell the Pens youngsters were gelling pretty well. Adding in those veterans was just brilliant to me, and I forget about Thibault. He's good enough to not only teach Fleury, but play for him if Fleury really is a few years away.
I just checked the news on that Hossa for Heatley trade. Ummmm... why? Granted Hossa is really good, but so is Heatley. I mean really good. But then reading the article I see Heatley took a disco biscuit to the coconut in Europe and was wanting big money, so I guess it does make sense. Kovalchuk can score right along with Hossa, so Atlanta didn't lose anything, especially if they get a decent defenseman. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on August 23, 2005, 02:32:49 PM Atlanta is better off without Heatly. He had issues with life.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on August 23, 2005, 02:35:09 PM Most 24-year olds with money, fame and women do.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on August 23, 2005, 02:35:52 PM Most 24-year olds with money, fame and women do. He killed a teammate. I'm not sorry we dumped him off. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 23, 2005, 02:42:20 PM It was a total accident and it fucked him up for a very long time. He's a good kid apparently, and the parents forgave him.
The Hossa/Heatley deal DOES make some sense. Scoring and scoring, but different types of people. The sens get a Canadian kid with more grit than Hossa, and it'll get peoples attention up here. The Thashers get a Slovak who might get along with Kovalchuk better, possibly, as well as the fact that I'm sure there is SOME concern about Heatley being damaged goods. He did tear ligaments in his knee and break his jaw in the car crash, not to mention emotional damage. I think it's a fine deal for both teams. Hossa is on a new three year contract for big money as well, and either way, they're both gonna get near max salary for a long time. Hossa was also making noises in about going to arbitration and wanting out, etc. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on August 23, 2005, 02:57:08 PM And since we're talking about hockey, it's time for fantasy hockey again (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=4394.msg110593#msg110593)!
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Shockeye on August 23, 2005, 03:03:34 PM I guess I should start reading this thread.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 23, 2005, 04:44:07 PM I wonder if I should enter and rock all your socks.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Shockeye on August 23, 2005, 04:51:31 PM I wonder if I should enter and rock all your socks. You can -try-. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 23, 2005, 04:53:54 PM Did you modify those pointsgivings yourself, Haemish? It's not too bad.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 23, 2005, 04:55:10 PM I wonder if I should enter and rock all your socks. You can -try-. Hey, I'm good at what I do :) Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 23, 2005, 04:58:30 PM Although my risk-takery would likely be my downfall.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on August 23, 2005, 05:25:41 PM It's always confused me as to how Haemish can like hockey, seeing as he lives in fucking Mississippi....
Do they even have Ice Rinks in that state, anywhere? Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on August 23, 2005, 05:28:32 PM It's always confused me as to how Haemish can like hockey, seeing as he lives in fucking Mississippi.... Do they even have Ice Rinks in that state, anywhere? I don't think Mississippi has a single pro sports team or an international airport. /cue the banjo Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on August 23, 2005, 05:33:59 PM I wouldn't expect there would be mroe than 1 or 2 mid-Western international airports. Geography dictates that not many countries can send flights there directly.
O'Hare is a bunch of cheaters. (http://flychicago.com/fidsohare/flights.asp) I can't see any of those flights being non-stop from their origins. Though I guess technically it still counts, as it can take arrivals with foreign origins, even if it takes 2 or 3 legs to get there. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 23, 2005, 05:44:52 PM I mostly prescribe to the idea that anyone who isn't a god damn moron can see that hockey is a fucking awesome sport. That's actually seen it with an open mind, anyway. I mean, where I live is LARGELY influenced by American sports like Football and Basketball, even NASCAR. In the REST of the world, Soccer is the biggest thing ever. I've watched all with an open mind (except motor sports, which I think are totally fucking retarded), and I've still come out thinking hockey is far superior.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on August 24, 2005, 09:08:02 AM I love me some hockey. I can even tolerate socceer, much more so than NBA or NCAA basketball. Basketball just hasn't been worth watching since Magic, Bird and Michael all retired. LeBron's about the only thing worth watching. Hockey, though, is just awesome. The violence of football, the manic pace of socceer, and the subtlety and strategy of baseball once you learn how to interpret the action on the ice. It's my #3 favorite sport behind football and baseball (which kind of tie for my favorite depending on the time of year).
It's funny you mention hockey. Up until about a year ago, we had a team in Jackson (the capital). But it was largely sponsored by Worldcomm back in the day, so when their shit hit the fan, the team didn't really have enough support to stay here. There is still a team on the Gulf Coast, the Mississippi Sea Wolves, and I've unfortunately not been to see a game at either team's arena. I've either never had the money, or kept forgetting it was there. As for pro sports, no we don't have any MAJOR pro sports. But Jackson was for years home to a New York Mets Double-A team, which became an Astros Double-A team before going independent. This is the first year of the new Atlanta Braves Double-A affiliate, the Mississippi Braves. For some reason, they chose to locate this team in Pearl, a suburb of Jackson just south. Pearl is well-known in this state as the most trailer-trashy, white trash redneck burg in the world, and directly across from the center field fence is a line of shitty shit shit shit trailers. This post brought to you by the Mississippi Department of Tourism. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: WayAbvPar on August 24, 2005, 11:35:27 AM Quote Pearl is well-known in this state as the most trailer-trashy, white trash redneck burg in the world, and directly across from the center field fence is a line of shitty shit shit shit trailers. Sounds like a good place for an F5. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on August 24, 2005, 12:06:14 PM If ever there was one.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: NiX on August 24, 2005, 11:30:03 PM Actually, I expected more. There are 15 matchups on opening day. I'd rather see these games played that day over the Rangers/Flyers. :heart:1) Stars v. Kings 2) Wings v. Blues 3) Coyotes v. Canucks 4) Avalanche v. Oilers 5) Senators v. Leafs 6) Bruins v. Canadiens Any of those are better hockey matchups in my book. Time to plan getting drunk and enjoying a good fucking hockey night in canada rivalry. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: naum on August 25, 2005, 01:09:01 AM My Penguins are going to be exciting to watch this season. Mario + Crosby + Palfy + Gonchar + Recchi, oh my. And bringing in Thibault even though Fleury is being groomed to be the future goalie. Hopefully, one gets in a good groove. Tarnstrom, Jackman, and Gonchar can move the puck around and are goal scorers too, with new rule changes should make for a competitive squad (or at least one that puts some goals in).
Roenick is over hyped, and what I hear from the inside is he jaked it in 2003-2004 season, though Bobby Clarke has soured on many a player no matter whether true or not. I always liked Zhamnov, a shame he never developed to what he could have potentially, he still is a gifted skater and prone to offensive outbursts. Forsberg, if healthy, can still be MVP quality, but all those ailments and injuries may have put a damper on his star. In Tampa, Burke takes Khabibulin goalie spot, just like he did in Phoenix. This time, he's older and has to win a Stanley Cup to match Khabby. We're going to discover once again that great players make poor GMs, and less than average coaches, as Coyotes go down the tubes. Or maybe Cujo has a good season in him before he coughs up another playoff disappointment. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: WayAbvPar on August 29, 2005, 04:55:04 PM Quote Pearl is well-known in this state as the most trailer-trashy, white trash redneck burg in the world, and directly across from the center field fence is a line of shitty shit shit shit trailers. Sounds like a good place for an F5. This is kind of creeping me out in light of Katrina's path. I had no idea I had these sort of powers. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Shockeye on August 30, 2005, 09:12:01 AM Quote from: ESPN Hockey enforcers might become NHL rarity (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?id=2143559) By Scott Burnside Special to ESPN.com Reigning NHL penalty-minutes leader Sean Avery has some advice for his colleagues in the he-man, tough-guy club: Get some wheels or take a seat. "I think now if you can't skate, you can't play. That's what it comes down to," Avery said after an informal workout with some of his Los Angeles Kings teammates and other players on the West Coast. "Do you need a Georges Laraque on your team? I don't think so," said the lean, 5-foot-10, 185-pound Avery, who topped all NHLers in 2003-04 with 261 penalty minutes. "You're going to have to have guys who can do something other than get on the ice for five or six minutes a night and bear hug guys." With NHL training camps less than three weeks away, players and managers are in a state of flux over what exactly the new hockey dawn will bring. Playing under a salary cap for the first time and with the promise of an obstruction crackdown and a more wide-open style of play, many managers have abandoned the old template for team-building. Gone is the so-called "ghost roster" that included at least one forward line devoted to pluggers, muckers and pure fighters and at least two hulking defensemen. Instead, many GMs are focusing on skill, speed and hockey smarts throughout their lineups. "You're still going to need toughness. But if you can find players with toughness who can play, that's a very, very valuable commodity," said Detroit GM Ken Holland, whose Red Wings have been the model for combining grit and skill with the likes of Darren McCarty, Kirk Maltby, Kris Draper and Brendan Shanahan. Given the dramatic redistribution of talent, all but a handful of the league's 30 teams will enter the 2005-06 campaign with a legitimate shot at making the playoffs. Managers are asking themselves whether they can afford to spend even the league minimum of $450,000 on a player whose contributions are limited to five or six minutes a night, a large portion of which will be spent trying to batter an opponent senseless. "I don't have the luxury of carrying that kind of guy," said Tampa Bay GM Jay Feaster, who has had his hands full trying to return the core of his Cup-winning team under the $39 million salary cap. But if there is hesitation on the part of GMs to completely abandon the notion of intimidation through physical presence, it's because they are wary that the game won't be as open as they've been led to believe and they'll find they're overmatched physically later in the season or in the playoffs. The assumption by most GMs and coaches is that early on in the season, games will be chock-full of power plays as the new zero-tolerance on obstruction is employed by on-ice officials. As the weeks and months pass, the plan is that the game still will be called tightly but players will internalize the new rules and the game will open up. But that has been the theory in the past. "I think we're just guessing right now," Holland said. "We'll find out really by Christmas what the trend is," added Boston GM Mike O'Connell, who fears the openness may just lead to a renewed focus on defensive styles. Nonetheless, O'Connell has built a Boston team three lines deep with offensive capability and better-than-average mobility along the blue line. The rule changes and salary cap aren't the only catalysts to widespread changes in team building. The NHL is notoriously faddish and teams are quick to adopt trends, as witnessed by the move to mimic the trap and the left-wing lock popularized by the Red Wings in the late 1990s. Thus, the Tampa Bay Lightning's run to the 2004 Stanley Cup using a speed-oriented attack has hastened a move away from traditional role players, including the pure fighter. "Your depth on your hockey club was always role playing, checking players, tough guys. I think if you look at teams' rosters right now, there are three or four teams that have changed the depth on their team," Philadelphia Flyers coach Ken Hitchcock said at the recent Canadian Olympic orientation camp in British Columbia. "Their depth is skill now. So they've added skilled depth to the back end of their lineup, which I think is necessary. "I know our club was really focused on that with the changes we made to our roster," Hitchcock added. "Our depth is more on the skilled side than it was on the role-playing side." Although he didn't set out to become a trendsetter, Feaster says if the movement toward the Lightning's style of hockey helps to eliminate the "dinosaurs" -- the guys who can only fight or haul down other players -- then so be it. "You can't just have some 'specialist' that doesn't do anything more," Feaster said. Feaster can point to his own lineup, which includes forward Chris Dingman, who led the team with a modest 140 penalty minutes, and bruising Nolan Pratt on defense; a lineup that has seen players make significant adjustments to be able to play under coach John Tortorella. Feaster also points to his offseason signing of veteran forward Rob DiMaio, who is only 5-foot-10 and 190 pounds, but can handle himself in tough situations, as a trend in finding players who can fill part of the traditional fighter's role as well as kill penalties and provide some offensive spark. Hitchcock thinks intelligence, rather than speed, is the sole ingredient at the heart of these systemic changes. "It's not so much skating but to me hockey sense, transition. I don't think you have to be fast to play this way. But if you're slow thinking, if you're slow thinking defensively, you're going to be in trouble and if you're slow thinking offensively, you're going to be in big trouble. You have to have people whose hockey sense and anticipation is going to have to be good. If you're not able to read turnovers and you're not able to read people behind you, if you have tunnel vision, you're going to have a very difficult time playing with the way the game is now." Still, for those imagining a hockey Shangri-La with players dropping their gloves only to shake hands at the end of a game, don't hold your breath. Krzysztof Oliwa rolled up 247 penalty minutes while playing less than five minutes a night in Calgary. Francis Lessard chipped in one goal and 181 penalty minutes while playing 4:28 a night in Atlanta. Andre Roy, formerly with the Lightning, is now in Pittsburgh ostensibly to protect Sidney Crosby. The fact that players like these still have jobs is an indication teams aren't ready to completely forsake the notion of toughness as a deterrent. "I would say it's not going away by any stretch," Blue Jackets GM Doug MacLean said. Jody Shelley, the NHL's penalty-minute leader in 2002-03, has been working out with high-performance athletes in Columbus, Ohio, in the hopes of improving his foot speed. MacLean will look to Shelley to provide a physical presence on the forecheck for a revamped Blue Jackets team that expects to be in the middle of its first playoff run this season. Said Shelley: "You can't just be one-dimensional. I think that goes pretty much for all the guys in my role. It's definitely something I've been thinking about. What it amounts to -- who knows?" Scott Burnside is a freelance writer based in Atlanta and is a frequent contributor to ESPN.com. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: WayAbvPar on August 30, 2005, 09:21:35 AM That makes me a sad panda. I enjoyed the unwritten rule that if you cheapshotted a smaller player (especially the other team's star), there was going to be a price to pay later in the game.
:sad_panda: :sad_panda: :sad_panda: :sad_panda: Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Yegolev on August 30, 2005, 01:07:09 PM My "hockey Shangri-La" is filled with goons. You definitely don't need guys who do nothing but bear-hug. Get some knuckles in some eyes too. Nobody ever learned a Valuable Lesson from a bear hug.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on August 30, 2005, 01:10:52 PM I still insist the NHL should have scrapped the Instigator rule.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: WayAbvPar on August 30, 2005, 01:14:05 PM I still insist the NHL should have scrapped the Instigator rule. Preach on, brotha. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on August 30, 2005, 01:26:33 PM 'And the Lord on high uttered down to me, "Let there be Fisticuffs!" And it was so."
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Bunk on August 30, 2005, 03:04:19 PM Cliffy Ronning, a BC boy, was on our local Sports Radio yesterday basically offering his services to the Canucks for the league minimum. The guys almost 40, but pre-salary cap almost anyone would jump to have a guy with that experience for a measly $450k. Now, he's not even sure the team will take a look at him.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 30, 2005, 07:15:28 PM I'd take Cliff Ronning for third or fourth line duty any day. Unfortunately it'd more than likely be fourth, seeing as we have a stable of young talent, some of which you'd want to give time on the third.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on August 31, 2005, 11:58:52 AM We'll see if the changes are really what hockey fans wanted. They asked for it, and they got it, but now we'll see if we were right. It's going to be a pretty-boy sport for a while with Swedes/Russians/Chezchs flying down the ice.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Bunk on August 31, 2005, 12:19:58 PM Nonnis was in the paper this morning basically saying that the only way they can afford to signe Cooke and Ruutu is if they don't carry a full 23 man roster. That likely means that there really is no room for Ronning, even at minimum salary.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: El Gallo on August 31, 2005, 12:42:13 PM My magic 8-ball tells me that there will be some skilled play for the first month of the season, but by playoff time it will be the same clutch-and-grab shitfest it has been for the past 10 years. Just like every time they said they would cut down on clutching and grabbing "and we really, really mean it this time!"
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on August 31, 2005, 06:00:17 PM I think the hope is that, seeing the position the league is in, there is some very hardcore pressure coming down from the top on the referees. No matter how shittacular their record for keeping this crap in control for more than a month has been in recent years, the hope is that with all of the rule changes and everything else that's going on, there will truly be a concentrated effort to stay on the fucking ball this time.
I don't, mind you, see it lasting into the playoffs to any degree. I don't have much faith in it lasting the season, of course, but I keep my chin up and smile simply because it HAS to this time or they're forever fucked. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on September 02, 2005, 11:20:11 AM I'd take Cliff Ronning for third or fourth line duty any day. Unfortunately it'd more than likely be fourth, seeing as we have a stable of young talent, some of which you'd want to give time on the third. You damn right. His play with the Wild the last few years has been very important to the team. He's the kind of guy that can score when you need it, and toss a great assist to speedsters like Gaborik at just the right time. He's no All-Star, but he makes your All-Stars better. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: naum on September 02, 2005, 02:24:44 PM Even if the refs revert back to letting the clutch & grab, the removal of red line for offsides passes is going to make for more open hockey. Line changes, especially in 2nd period, where your bench is on opponent side of ice) should be interesting things to watch (hard to see on TV usually, but at the arena, I always watch the "on the fly" changes). Forwards can perch up and take a long pass and I'm curious on how pro teams will handle defensive assignments and how they will differ from what I see in collegiate/amateur levels.
Of course, defenseman can just paddle the puck off the boards back and forth too, but if they enforced intentional offsides call more often, that would put the kobosh on that. Buffalo v. New Jersey (or insert any other $NeutralZoneTrapStrategyPlayingTeam games were dull dump + slag fests, where action pretty much consisted of dump, chase, dump chase, dump, chase, change sequences with an occasional transition causing scoring opportunity. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: kaid on September 02, 2005, 02:56:16 PM Actually there are a number of airports in the midwest that are "international" aka they have direct flights to canada. Heheh even our little air port in Green Bay is an international airport due to a once a week flight to and from canada.
kaid Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on September 02, 2005, 03:42:18 PM Don't get me wrong. As much as I'd like to watch hockey without a redline, I just don't think it's going to work out as well as I, or anyone else, is hoping it will.
The removal of the redline allows people to cherry pick and take a long pass for a breakaway. Defensive teams will still be defensive teams with defensive coaches, and shutting this down is simple. Leave your defensemen back so you can't be caught with your pants around your ankles. You think they're just going to allow people to take breakaways all of the time? Shit no, you'll find five on three in the defensive zone, or at best, five on four - and defensemen back out of the play. Not firing shots, not creating offense, not keeping the puck in the zone. Ever watched Sweden vs. Switzerland or anything else like that in international play? Probably not - but I promise you, IT'S FUCKING TERRIBLE HOCKEY. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: naum on September 02, 2005, 04:38:20 PM Shit no, you'll find five on three in the defensive zone, or at best, five on four - and defensemen back out of the play. Not firing shots, not creating offense, not keeping the puck in the zone. Ever watched Sweden vs. Switzerland or anything else like that in international play? Probably not - but I promise you, IT'S FUCKING TERRIBLE HOCKEY. Might be so, we'll have to see… …I do think the college game is more exciting to watch than NHL, much more skating and offensive play… Of course, the League could go really radical, and go to four skaters (like they do in OT) full game, and implement inline hockey offsides rules — center line is only offsides line, but a player is permitted to skate the puck into the zone and teammates already in the offensive zone are OK then. Then we'd be seeing the average goals per game doubled… Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Bunk on September 06, 2005, 04:03:23 PM Might be so, we'll have to see… …I do think the college game is more exciting to watch than NHL, much more skating and offensive play… Of course, the League could go really radical, and go to four skaters (like they do in OT) full game, and implement inline hockey offsides rules — center line is only offsides line, but a player is permitted to skate the puck into the zone and teammates already in the offensive zone are OK then. Then we'd be seeing the average goals per game doubled… *Pumps his Shotgun* {Southern Drawl} You best be shuttin up bout them harebrained ideas there boy. Startin ta piss me off. Seriously, I liked the inline rules for what it was when we had an inline team up here - but that's inline hockey, and that's a different game. Ice Hockey is played on ice with six skaters a side, and that's how it should be. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Azaroth on September 06, 2005, 05:43:35 PM On the plus side, they ARE decreasing the neutral zone and increasing the offensive zone sizes by two feet each. No big deal? Watch an offensive team like the Penguins make use of that.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Shockeye on September 07, 2005, 08:24:48 AM Quote from: AP Damphousse retires after 18 seasons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2153983) Associated Press TORONTO -- The NHL lost the second of its top eight active leaders in games played in as many days. Vincent Damphousse announced his retirement Wednesday, one day after New Jersey Devils captain Scott Stevens called an end to his 22-year career. "I loved getting up every morning and heading to the rink, and I will miss being in the dressing room with the guys," Damphousse said in a statement released by the NHL Players Association, where he now serves as vice president. "However, I'm looking forward to the next stage of my life." The futures of veteran free agents Mark Messier, Ron Francis and defenseman Al MacInnis -- who are first, second and sixth, respectively -- also are in doubt. Eighth on the list of games played among active players with 1,378, Damphousse began his 18-year career in 1986 with Toronto, which drafted him sixth overall prior to that season. A four-time All-Star who registered 12 career hat tricks, Damphousse is 30th on the all-time assists list with 773. His 432 goals gives him 1,205 points, good for 38th all-time. Damphousse, who also played with Edmonton, Montreal and San Jose, has surpassed the 20-goal plateau 12 times, including a career-high 40 with the Canadiens in 1993-94. The previous season, the 37-year-old former Montreal captain helped the club to its 23rd Stanley Cup championship. After recording 12 goals and 29 assists with the Sharks in 2003-04, Damphousse signed a one-year contract with Colorado but never played for the Avalanche due to the NHL lockout. A free agent again this summer, the Montreal native had discussions with Pittsburgh last month with hopes of continuing his career. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Shockeye on September 07, 2005, 08:48:17 AM Wings: Datsyuk as good as gone (http://www.freep.com/sports/redwings/wings7e_20050907.htm)
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on September 07, 2005, 09:01:11 AM Wings: Datsyuk as good as gone (http://www.freep.com/sports/redwings/wings7e_20050907.htm) As a Stars fan I say: Boo hoo. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Shockeye on October 21, 2005, 11:02:56 AM Quote from: Reuters Dish slashes Comcast's NHL channel (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051021/tv_nm/comcast_dc) By Andrew Wallenstein Fri Oct 21, 1:39 AM ET LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - A three-way brawl over National Hockey League games has broken out among Comcast, Cablevision and EchoStar, which on Thursday ejected the Comcast-owned OLN channel from its Dish Network lineup. Earlier this month, Comcast began replacing NHL games scheduled on the channel with other OLN programing on systems run by Cablevision and EchoStar. The two distributors were put in Comcast's penalty box because they put OLN on channel tiers available to fewer than 40 percent of their subscribers, according to a Comcast spokesman. Sources said EchoStar stunned Comcast brass by yanking the channel without warning. Company executives flew to the satellite service's Denver headquarters Thursday to negotiate a truce, but after 10 minutes of discussion, EchoStar ended the meeting, citing an unspecified crisis. By the time the Comcast delegation's plane touched down at its home base in Philadelphia, EchoStar had issued a statement signaling its intent to pull the plug. In a statement Thursday, EchoStar blasted Comcast's "strong-arm tactics," explaining that moving OLN to a more accessible tier would result in the satellite service having to pay more for the channel, a cost it would be forced to pass on to customers. "We work hard to provide choice for our customers and to keep prices low," EchoStar senior vp programing Eric Sahl said in the statement. OLN countered with a statement of its own. "We are surprised and disappointed that Dish has unilaterally chosen to stop providing OLN to its customers. ... We are also disappointed that EchoStar cut off the ongoing discussions with OLN." MORE BAD NEWS FOR HOCKEY The OLN blackout represents a setback for the perennially struggling NHL, which signed away its TV rights to Comcast in August for a three-year deal estimated to be worth $200 million. After ESPN declined to pick up another hockey season amid poor ratings and a lockout that canceled the 2004-05 season, the league suddenly is seeing its visibility reduced in key markets like the New York-New Jersey area that Cablevision serves. Thus begins another contentious face-off between programing and distribution in the subscription-TV world, which, like hockey itself, is occasionally marred by nasty battles pitting combatants capable of landing low blows. EchoStar chairman and CEO Charlie Ergen has shown that he is more than willing to pull the jersey over a programmer's head. In March 2004, he removed all Viacom-owned channels from Dish Network for 48 hours before reaching a new carriage deal with the conglomerate. In January 2001, it took a federal injunction to keep EchoStar from dumping Walt Disney Co.-owned ABC Family in a similar fracas. But now EchoStar is going toe-to-toe with Comcast, the biggest cable operator in the country and owner of a growing portfolio of channels, including E! Networks, Golf Channel and G4. Cablevision has no plans to pull OLN, according to a spokesman. But the operator isn't giving up the fight, either. "We continue to carry OLN, and we continue to call upon them to cease their illegal electronic blocking of hockey games in New York," the spokesman said. EchoStar currently slots OLN on its America's Top 180 channel package, which isn't as popular among its 11.4 million subscribers. Cablevision slots OLN on a separate sports tier that costs an additional $4.95. Comcast wants to see both distributors upgrade OLN to channel positions that will put them in front of 40 percent of their subscriber bases, commonly accepted as the baseline for pro sports programing. Formerly known as Outdoor Life Network, OLN is available in 65 million homes. Reuters/Hollywood Reporter Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on October 21, 2005, 11:07:06 AM Echostar/Dish Network are complete cockmonkeys. On the cable system I used to have (which was actually some bastard wireless form of Dish Network shite), they would just pull shit off the air with no warning because they were having a negotiation snit with some provider. Fuck that. You are bending the customer over because you don't want to pay an extra few bucks in fees, money you'll just shaft the customer with later.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Surlyboi on October 21, 2005, 11:29:41 AM Hockey sucks. :-D
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Paelos on October 21, 2005, 03:59:22 PM I have to admit, I'm not watching hockey right now. It's hard to find out when it's on, it's on a channel that doesn't come in very well on my cable, and it's always some NE team I don't care about.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Bunk on October 21, 2005, 04:03:36 PM You need to move to Vancouver my friend.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: naum on October 22, 2005, 01:12:23 PM I swore I would never resub to DirectTV Center Ice (http://azplace.net/index.php?itemid=27) but I got sucked in this season, and a big factor was the dearth of televised hockey — I do get OLN, but Coyotes plus a game Mon or Tue?
And fuck ESPN, fuckers can televise poker championships but can't show any love for a sport that helped put them on the map. The last time ESPN dumped hockey, 88-92 I believe, also put a damper on the game — I lived in Alabama at the time, and pro hockey simply disappeared from my world, other than reading USA Today sports or being in a sports bar where there was a spare TV tuned to a hockey game. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Strazos on October 31, 2005, 11:50:50 AM I'm just disappointed when a Flyers' game is on OLN, because for some reason, that channel looks like shite in my house.
Oddly enough, when the OLN clips are replayed on a different channel, they look perfectly fine. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: WayAbvPar on October 31, 2005, 12:42:51 PM Does the Center Ice carry the local feeds for the OLN games too? I know they do for Hockey Night In Canada (as an aside, I can't believe how much I missed it! I could watch Grapes and Ron babble forever). The OLN coverage is a little on the amateurish/cheap side, or at least it seems to be. At least it is hockey!
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on October 31, 2005, 03:00:49 PM The OLN coverage is a little on the amateurish/cheap side, or at least it seems to be. I miss Barry Melrose and John Buccigross. Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: WayAbvPar on October 31, 2005, 04:50:14 PM Don't forget Barry's mullet! They work as a team, dammit.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: Surlyboi on October 31, 2005, 11:33:42 PM I hung out with Melrose, his hair got its own dressing room.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: WayAbvPar on November 01, 2005, 12:39:18 PM I still see him as a former Seattle Thunderbirds coach. It never fails to amuse me that he got so big and famous after such humble beginnings. Hell, the current coach can't even attend home games- the US government denied his work visa for no apparent reason and he has been jumping though hoops for a month trying to get it back. Glad to see that Homeland Security is using its budget well.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: HaemishM on November 01, 2005, 02:43:58 PM Those fucking hockey coaches are a menace 2 society.
Title: Re: NHL goes to OLN Post by: WayAbvPar on November 01, 2005, 03:05:30 PM Not this guy...he looks like he is 14 years old!
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2004/12/22/2002058158.jpg) BTW, he was finally admitted to the country today. I guess the government responds to my bitching! :-D |