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Title: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Shockeye on August 17, 2005, 11:03:51 AM Quote from: Science Daily Studies Of Amazonian Languages Challenge Linguistic Theories (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/08/050814165536.htm) Date: 2005-08-16 Two studies that appear in the August/October 2005 issue of Current Anthropology challenge established linguistic theories regarding the language families of Amazonia. New research by Dan Everett (University of Manchester) into the language of the Pirahã people of Amazonas, Brazil disputes two prominent linguistic ideas regarding grammar and translation. The Pirahã are intelligent, highly skilled hunters and fishers who speak a language remarkable for the complexity of its verb and sound systems. Yet, the Pirahã language and culture has several features that not known to exist in any other in the world and lacks features that have been assumed to be found in all human groups. The language does not have color words or grammatical devices for putting phrases inside other phrases. They do not have fiction or creation myths, and they have a lack of numbers and counting. Despite 200 years of contact, they have steadfastly refused to learn Portuguese or any other outside language. The unifying feature behind all of these characteristics is a cultural restriction against talking about things that extend beyond personal experience. This restriction counters claims of linguists, such as Noam Chomsky, that grammar is genetically driven system with universal features. Despite the absence of these allegedly universal features, the Pirahã communicate effectively with one another and coordinate simple tasks. Moreover, Pirahã suggests that it is not always possible to translate from one language to another. In addition, Alf Hornborg's (Lund University) research into the Arawak language family counters the common interpretation that the geographical distribution of languages in Amazonia reflects the past migrations of the inhabitants. At the time of Christopher Columbus, the Arawak language family ranged from Cuba to Bolivia. Yet, geneticists have been unable to find significant correlations between genes and languages in the Amazonia. Moreover, Arawakan languages spoken in different areas show more similarities to their non-Arawakan neighbors than to each other, suggesting that they may derive from an early trade language. As well, Arawak languages are distributed along major rivers and coastlines that served as trade routes, and Arawak societies were dedicated to trade and intermarriage with other groups. But, the dispersed network of Arawak-speaking societies may have caused ethnic wedges between other, more consolidated language families with which they would have engaged in trade and warfare. Finally, there is increased evidence that language shifts were common occurrences among the peoples of Amazonia and were used as a way to signal a change in identity, particularly when entering into alliances, rather than migratory movement. Not useless and genuinely interesting to me. Just wanted to share. Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Margalis on August 17, 2005, 11:34:25 PM The idea that grammar is genetic is odd, has there ever been any real evidence of that, other than "hey, most languages are sort of similar - must be genetic!"
And Chomsky is a punk for many different reasons. Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Fargull on August 18, 2005, 06:48:11 AM Thanks for the post. South America has raised some questions across the anthropological board.
Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Samprimary on August 18, 2005, 12:03:58 PM FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Noam+Chomsky&word2=Koko+)
Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Furiously on August 18, 2005, 03:03:30 PM Man - Joseph Campbell would soo kick Noam's ass. (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Noam+Chomsky&word2=Joseph+Campbell)
Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Yegolev on August 18, 2005, 08:46:09 PM Woo hoo! In yo face! (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=samprimary&word2=yegolev)
I'll take ya all on! Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Llava on August 18, 2005, 10:36:51 PM Woo hoo! In yo face! (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=samprimary&word2=yegolev) I'll take ya all on! http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=llava&word2=yegolev Huh? Oh, yeah, OWNED. Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Samprimary on August 18, 2005, 10:53:14 PM Woo hoo! In yo face! (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=samprimary&word2=yegolev) I'll take ya all on! Goddamnit. Well, take THIS (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Mr.+T&word2=Boobs) Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: angry.bob on August 18, 2005, 10:56:22 PM http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=lum&word2=angry+bob
You can all give up right the fuck now. And by the way, I'm twice as popular, more relevant, and 100% more right than Chomsky. Oh, and The Bobs are 4 times better and 100% less full of stupid fags than KoC. Suck it old skool KoC. http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=brotherhood+of+bob&word2=keepers+of+chaos Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Samprimary on August 18, 2005, 11:27:04 PM Why can't I ever start nice things?
Why does it always go wrong? ANGREEE BOB (http://www.angrybob.org/) Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Strazos on August 18, 2005, 11:40:16 PM Quote "He looks like a gigantic anarchist lawn gnome" - The New York Observer The Google fight site is somewhat broken anyway....it says I only get 900+ hits, but an actual google search brings up almost 1,500. Uniqueness hurts in Googleduel. EDIT: Also, if you put "angry bob" in quotes, like you should....suddenly the fight changes... Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Samprimary on August 19, 2005, 12:42:03 AM http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22brotherhood+of+bob%22&word2=%22keepers+of+chaos%22
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22lum%22&word2=%22angry.bob%22 So it does. Huh. Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: angry.bob on August 19, 2005, 08:33:32 AM I reject your reality, and replace it with my own. Quotes require use of the shift key, and I am opposed to it's use on uncompromising and deeeply spiritual reasons. If it makes you feel any better, I just had to drop 600 bucks to make my PC work again so I could post this.
Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: HaemishM on August 19, 2005, 11:43:10 AM Diapora Geek Fight (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=f13.net&word2=corpnews.com)
Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Llava on August 19, 2005, 11:48:58 AM Diapora Geek Fight (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=f13.net&word2=corpnews.com) <sigh> And yet... (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=f13.net&word2=%22Penny+Arcade%22) Sobering. Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Yegolev on August 19, 2005, 05:00:00 PM Diapora Geek Fight (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=f13.net&word2=corpnews.com) It appears I chose wisely. Or something. If I was really cool, I'd have began pandering to this crowd in 1999. Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Hanzii on August 20, 2005, 04:59:19 AM I fought the law... (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=I&word2=the+law)
Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Llava on August 20, 2005, 12:42:17 PM Dear god, I've been wrong all these years. (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=to-may-to&word2=to-mah-to)
Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: NowhereMan on August 20, 2005, 04:59:36 PM Looks like Bush can declare victory (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Terror&word2=America).
Title: Re: Noam Chomsky is a punk. Post by: Samprimary on August 20, 2005, 05:14:35 PM Over. (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Noam+Chomsky&word2=This+Thread)
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